Hi all,
just got my topaz and flashed a cooked ROM (wm 6.5 LP EVO V-ITA to be precise).
i really need to enable block-letter recognising, after years practising i cannot live without...
afer some search, i have tried editing this
For letter recognizer:
Code:
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{42429690-AE04-11D0-A4F8-00AA00A749B9}\IsSIPInputMethod]
"Default"="1"
For block recognizer:
Code:
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{42429691-AE04-11D0-A4F8-00AA00A749B9}\IsSIPInputMethod]
"Default"="1"
but apparently is not working
can somebody pls help me?
thks
GG
gnarolibero said:
Hi all,
just got my topaz and flashed a cooked ROM (wm 6.5 LP EVO V-ITA to be precise).
i really need to enable block-letter recognising, after years practising i cannot live without...
afer some search, i have tried editing this
For letter recognizer:
Code:
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{42429690-AE04-11D0-A4F8-00AA00A749B9}\IsSIPInputMethod]
"Default"="1"
For block recognizer:
Code:
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{42429691-AE04-11D0-A4F8-00AA00A749B9}\IsSIPInputMethod]
"Default"="1"
but apparently is not working
can somebody pls help me?
thks
GG
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I have a cab (thanks to !Aman!). You can get block recog.cab from my Topaz File Mirror.
thks but is not working...
anybody knows the proper registry tweak?
thanks in advance
gg
"]!Aman![/URL]). You can get block recog.cab from my Topaz File Mirror.[/QUOTE]
gnarolibero said:
thks but is not working...
anybody knows the proper registry tweak?
thanks in advance
gg
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strange it works for me on WM 6.1
what ROM are you using it for?
BeeGee_Tokyo said:
strange it works for me on WM 6.1
what ROM are you using it for?
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I'm trying to get the Block recognizer too.
It seems to me that Microsoft blocked it in WM 6.5
EzInput 2.1 doesnt support old SIP methods like block recongniser, thats why it doesnt work for you guys.
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EzInput 2.1 doesn't support old SIP methods like block recognizer, that's why it doesn't work for you guys.
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Hey Aman, but at Microsoft WebPage, they talk about the input methods for WM 6.5 and Block/Letter Recognize are there !!!!!!!
I though that the nes versions of cooked ROM's would be able to have then too.
Finally working BR and LR
Originally Posted by NothingBetterToDo
So sorry for keeping you guys waiting. The following are the steps I took based on my memory.
To enable the Letter Recognizer SIP, set this to 1:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{42429690-AE04-11D0-A4F8-00AA00A749B9}\IsSipInputMethod
"Default"="1" – Enabled
To enable the Block Recognizer SIP, set this to 1:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{42429691-ae04-11d0-a4f8-00aa00a749b9}\IsSipInputMethod
"Default"="1" – Enabled
You will notice that this will not make the SIP appear, for example, in your SMS application. However, it should appear in the pulldown menu at Start->Settings->Personal->Input. Now, if you try to set the Letter Recognizer as default, thinking that it will appear in SMS application, it doesn't. For some reason, it will always default back to the Touch Input (or EzInput) SIP.
So, the next step is to make the Letter Recognizer SIP the default. To do that, check the value at
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Sip\DefaultIm
It should be "0654897B-B359-473F-B28B-D85CF601C57F" (for Touch Input SIP). Replace that with
"42429690-AE04-11D0-A4F8-00AA00A749B9" (for Letter Recognizer SIP).
WARNING -- very very important to make sure the above is entered correctly. According to some posts elsewhere, a non existent SIP can crash your device. You might want to confirm if you have the Letter Recognizer SIP by searching for the msim.dll file. If it exists, I suppose it is probably safe.
After soft reset (power on/off device), you should now see the Letter Recognizer in your SMS application. However, you will also notice it doesn't work properly. For eg, the Capital Letter (left panel) doesn't work, there is this irritating word suggestions thing that keep popping up, it is quite slow and quite inaccurate, the Help doesn't work well.
To resolve these problems, set the following to 1:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\ezsip\IsOtherSip
Do a soft reset and the problems should disappear and you have a good Letter Recognizer to work with (even with fingernail), save for the following problems:
a. Sometimes response may not be very good. Can be quite slow especially if you are entering letters like "i", "r". Maybe this is because of the screen sensitivity.
b. If you click on the little triangle and want to switch to the Touch Input SIP, you can. But the problem is that you can't switch back to the Letter Recognizer anymore unless you do a soft reset. I guess this is OK if you use Letter Recognizer exclusively, but if you want the Chinese Handwriting feature in Touch Input (which is pretty good IMO), then it is not good.
Sorry for the long post. Thought it is better to also share my observations. I am a newbie with registry thing, so I prefer to do step by step and hence many soft resets. If you are gungho enough, just do the steps in bold followed by a soft reset. Hope it works for all you guys.
Note -- if you don't feel safe doing the registry changes, an alternative is to use the Touch Input SIP but set the waiting time to the shortest possible which will reduce the delay. But it is still very irritating to use IMHO.
Cheers
Just to remember all that the solution I described at the previous post is not mine and was Originally Posted by NothingBetterToDo. So, many thnaks to him for the great solution !!!!!!
Info for the ones that doesnt have en version
Hi
Info to all of you with other language then english.
The file msim.dll are country specific, in sweden its called msimsw.dll so i guess you will be able to find your version if you search the registry for msmi and then you will find a msmiXX.dll that is the correct one for your country.
I hade to add the info for {42429690-AE04-11D0-A4F8-00AA00A749B9} and {42429691-ae04-11d0-a4f8-00aa00a749b9} because it was missing info so it's not enought to only change the IsSipInputMethod to 1.
I have attached the files i used, but plz realise that this one is for swedish a version. You can edit the files with notepad to adress the localized .dll file for your country.
After this to be able to use the input methods i did what nicksalgado said and change
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Sip\DefaultIm
to {42429691-ae04-11d0-a4f8-00aa00a749b9} to use Block recognizer as default im
/SebulbaSe
Hi
I have the "RUU_Topaz_S_HTC_SPA_2.16.412.1_Radio_Sign_Topaz_61.44tc.25.32_4.49.25.17_Ship", and has the same problem that you describe. I use the HTC Pure from AT&T, and in the original AT&T ROM the Block Recognizer work it just fine. Is there a way to captura a cab to use to solve this problem from the original AT&T Rom?? Regards
OK The tweak worked for me. Now I have got rid of that annoying keyboard. Anyway I would like to have the option of choosing the keyboard in a drop down list like before the rom update. Now the block recognizer is the one and only input method.
yulbeast said:
OK The tweak worked for me. Now I have got rid of that annoying keyboard. Anyway I would like to have the option of choosing the keyboard in a drop down list like before the rom update. Now the block recognizer is the one and only input method.
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Use this app to choose your SIP.
Activation of the Letter/Block Recognizer cookbook
Hi all
thanks, it works perfectly on my Topaz.
How to desactivate properly and completely block recognizer (register and so on) of my Topaz now, because I want tu use the SPB Back Up of my Topaz on my Touch2..and I am sure I will Have some problems with this change..?
Thanks
It's not a good idea to use a full backup file from one device to a different one.
Related
hello everyone!
I'm currently using letter recognizer, keyboard, block recognizer and transcriber for txt input. I've also tried blimkeys. My question is that are there any other txt input method other that those i've mentioned. Somehow like a block recognizer but would recognize txt input system as like letter recognizer?
hope someone direct me on this.
cheers!!!
I highly recommend tengo from www.tengo.net (Win mobile 2003 and upwards).
work very well, and is quite scaleable.
The Intell-pad from HTC is also quite good, although I've had problems installing this in the past (only works on Win Mobile 2003SE).
DS
Calligrapher is an excellent solution as well...
Can anyone tell me how to remove SIP from the Input Panel without uninstalling programs. Since i have a few translator programs they seem to install keyboard which i never use and due to this none of my other keyboards work except the default one.
Can someone help.
Thanks.
Hemant.
See wiki, registry hacks section for this. Or read the thread on how to make your own personal cab...this talks about registry settings as well.
thanks everyone!
cheers!
I have received today my new Diamond, to replace previous HTC P3600.
My first problem os that I am a former Palm user (since 1996!), and like to use graffiti as input. In my P3600 I have installed a small apllication (myprogram) that emulates graffiti. I have tried on the Diamond, block recognizer appears on the input check list but when I select it it does not start and regular keyboard stays instead.
Do you know if there is available somewhere an updated block recognizer for the Diamond?
Shame on me, the Diamond has block recognizer as a standard feature and did stop working because I have installed the program that was supposed to add this feature.
Now I just need to find a way to use IGO 2006 on the Diamond to be a very happy person...
Found it. My problem was that apparently nothing was happening when running setup, but indeed the program was instaled. The program runs really fast and browsing maps is a delight, much faster than my previous P3600. I guess that this is the result of using internal memory instead of a external card! Maybe has some limitations but indeed can be quite effective to run programs, maps, music and so on!
ljpfneves said:
Found it. My problem was that apparently nothing was happening when running setup, but indeed the program was instaled. The program runs really fast and browsing maps is a delight, much faster than my previous P3600. I guess that this is the result of using internal memory instead of a external card! Maybe has some limitations but indeed can be quite effective to run programs, maps, music and so on!
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you have igo 2006 running on diamond or igo 2008? my igo 2006 couldn't run with diamond.
btw i use block recognizer too as my main input system, its the fastest imho. no need to hunt and peck on a tiny keyboard
hehe, i started to crack up without the wizard's querzt,
but now i started to use the block recognizer, fffaaaast..)
swampy said:
you have igo 2006 running on diamond or igo 2008? my igo 2006 couldn't run with diamond.
btw i use block recognizer too as my main input system, its the fastest imho. no need to hunt and peck on a tiny keyboard
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True! I use graffiti for 10 years and its hard to understand why people like physical keyboards !
Regarding IGO I am running 2006 with no problems, indeed much faster than on previous HTC P3600. Haven´t tryed yet IGO2008.
where did u find the block recogniser? is it pre installed in the phone?
Yes, it is pre-installed on the phone. I am using ROM Elite 2.0 and I can not confirm if block recognizer was already on the original ROM.
oh, mine's chinese version, block recogniser is not provided, gee
hertzjin said:
oh, mine's chinese version, block recogniser is not provided, gee
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You need 3 steps to make Block Recognizer running on the CHT ROM.
1st, skip the operator customization process during a hard-reset.
2nd, extract msim.dll & msim.192.dll from a WWE rom and paste them into \Windows
3rd, export HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{42429691-ae04-11d0-a4f8-00aa00a749b9} section from a WWE rom and import to Diamond
If somebody is willing to make a cab for this, it would be appreciated.
I decided not to keep the new T9 keypads but the original keyboard + Block Recognizer instead. This makes everything easier
Cheers!
i tried but the block recognizer not work well .. cannot written and recognize the word
Any news on this? Block recognizer is not on my Swedish Diamond either.
Block recognizer has it own writing system. Only one letter is written and recognized at one go. From the Block Recognizer sip , press on the '?' button and you will see how the letters are formed. Most letters use only one penstroke without lifting but there are exceptions.
Here i've dug up a reference image for grafitti which is the same system as block recognizer. you can print it out for quick reference. I used to carry it around with me when i was using the palm.
Note: in the image, the dot is the starting pointing of the letter to be written
palmgear said:
You need 3 steps to make Block Recognizer running on the CHT ROM.
1st, skip the operator customization process during a hard-reset.
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do u mean the htc auto installation or the service provider's customization, or both?
how to extract msim.dll & msim.192.dll?
i installed eng rom and try to copy them under windows folder, it doesn't allow me to copy? could you tell me how to get it? thanks
Danish Block Recognizer?
I am a former Palm user, so I prefer Block Recognizer to keyboards. Unfortunately I can’t find Block Recognizer on my new TD.
I have asked HTC where it is, and the reply I got was:
“As per your query about the block recogniser and other options of keyboard, these options are not included on Danish devices.”
Is it possible some how to install it on a Danish TD? – We have some extra letters in our alphabet: “æ – ø - å”
I was wondering if anyone has the same problem as I do. I am using ROM 1.34.8831.1 WWE and my word completion and word correction does not work.
I have tried START/SETTINGS/INPUT/WORD COMPLETION. but it changes nothing.
Comments or suggestions please..
Thanks
I encountered the same problem (I prefer the standard MS keyboard). I tried registry tweaks but must have missed something because still didn't work.
Then I installed KaiserTweak and in there disabled XT9 support and since then everything works great.
But again, that's for the default keyboard, it did work without tweaking on the diamond keyboards.
Keyboard
dutch64 said:
I encountered the same problem (I prefer the standard MS keyboard). I tried registry tweaks but must have missed something because still didn't work.
Then I installed KaiserTweak and in there disabled XT9 support and since then everything works great.
But again, that's for the default keyboard, it did work without tweaking on the diamond keyboards.
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I am using the MS keyboard. I will try your other suggestion. Thx
update your ancient rom.
billybobjones said:
update your ancient rom.
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I am now using a modern ROM and it still does not work... any other suggestions
word completion with block recognizer
Hi
HTC in Australia) support clearly advise that word completion will not work on Touch Diamond when using block recognizer.
Is there anybody out there that can add this feature to the Touch Diamond - even if it is not available on other input methods?
Word completion does work for block recognizer, do as dutch64 mentioned.
Strange...i have exactly the oposite problem
i don't like word completion feature, and so i try all ways to disable it (from settings menu and from Advanc. conf. tool), but i only get it 100% disabled when i use Panosha ROMs ...
I am finding a Japanese keyboard for Diamond
My Rom is Chinese Traditional, dunno if it is HK Rom or TW Rom
Then I reached here: http://my.opera.com/cameron_en/blog/2008/02/03/ime-complete-installation-files-download-section
I tried following the instructions there but I cannot use henkan (変換) button, or even backspace.
My activated ChangJie input cannot be used as well.
The black bar (start menu bar) was on the top of the green screen which the texts "Windows Mobile 6.1" are there when I boot up my phone after the JP keyboard is installed, and the icons on the bar were not on there places. For example, the windows flag is in the middle.
I found they are not useful I uninstalled them all, the default input "ChangJie" can be used without problems, but the black-bar problem is not solved, I have to hard reset my phone.
Question: Now I haven't hard reset it yet, and want to know
1, How can I make the Japanese input works without any problems
2, Could anyone please let me know if there is another JP input for WM6 which works.
Thanks, and sorry for my Eng coz I am a Chinese.
Today I did a hardreset and reinstall IME without Chinese files, Korean files, enabler files and registry fix
All the problems were still here, until I uninstall the korechithai.cab, ChangJie started to work, but those JP IME input method has the following results:
Kana: Only Katakana can be type but cannot Henkan (変換)
Romaji: Only English and Numbers can be typed.
I only hope the two above works, Tegaki and Kensaku are about handwrite which I think is so inconvenience, although these two works quite fine.
I also tried Bagojs Input but all its input methods have to use handwrite.
Glad to hear if there is another Japanese input keyboard or make the Ask IME_31J works.
Thanks
hello!
i'm searching a cab to read japanese, but i can't find anything, have u any idea to do it?
Maybe inside the web the cab korechithai.cab meets you needs.
But I suggest you backup first because I dunno about this!~
Before I upgrade my TD2 to 6.5, I need to be sure that Transcriber hasn't been removed. It's the only reason that I use WM, so pretty catastrophic for me if its been dropped. I've checked the new 6.5 manual on the HTC site and there's no mention of it in the input options.
Thanks
Kaybiwan said:
Before I upgrade my TD2 to 6.5, I need to be sure that Transcriber hasn't been removed. It's the only reason that I use WM, so pretty catastrophic for me if its been dropped. I've checked the new 6.5 manual on the HTC site and there's no mention of it in the input options.
Thanks
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i don't see it anywhere...looks bad man...i'm sure there is someone who can wrap it up in a cab for you... ?
check this thread in combination with the list in here - hope this helps
Transcriber is still included with ROM dumps. I personally don't cook it in my roms. Also EzInput will kill the default SIP menu.
I don't know if any cooks cook include that.
I have Diamond 2 with official wm6.5 ELL
Transcriber does not exist. Neither Letter Recognizer.
I'm going to beleive that official ROMs suck. If there was the guarranty limitation, I have already shifted to an English or cooked ROM.
schmeichler said:
check this thread in combination with the list in here - hope this helps
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Thanks, I was originally following that thread, but as it was for the block recogniser l was discouraged. Perhaps I'm one of the few that use Transcriber.
However the link you provided to sip registry Keys was enough to make me upgrade. l carefully followed the procedure and it bricked the TD2. A hardware / factory reset brought it back.
transcriber workaround
No, you are certainly not the only one using transcriber!!
To make it work again, locate it in the \windows directory and drop a link into the start menu. You can then always start it as a program and switch back to finger input by the standard input selection. Should transcriber start such that more than half of the display is unusable for input, just switch from portrait to landscape and back - everything should look good then!
As stated, it's just a workaround, but it works 100% and isn't too bad in handling!
Have fun, André
Hi
Kaybiwan said:
Before I upgrade my TD2 to 6.5, I need to be sure that Transcriber hasn't been removed. It's the only reason that I use WM, so pretty catastrophic for me if its been dropped. I've checked the new 6.5 manual on the HTC site and there's no mention of it in the input options.
Thanks
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Hi, yes the transcriber isn'y there, you might have to made some mod on the registry in order to make it work.
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See HTC web site for a solution
Kaybiwan said:
Before I upgrade my TD2 to 6.5, I need to be sure that Transcriber hasn't been removed. It's the only reason that I use WM, so pretty catastrophic for me if its been dropped. I've checked the new 6.5 manual on the HTC site and there's no mention of it in the input options.
Thanks
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You will be pleased to know that it is back, as a download from HTC web site.
You have to install after updating to latest ROM.
Here's the link to the worldwide HTC site for the block transcriber. They have it for the Rhodium and Touch Diamond 2
Hope this helps
I've changed my reg value to 00000000 etc to allow the install of the update, and its given me back the block recogniser and letter recogniser but not the transcrber
d0oes anyone know how to restore transcriber?
fixed after changing the reg, and downloading the update, you then need this transcriber cab
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3661845&postcount=47732
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