Droid and Cyanogen (mods in general) - G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Droid and Cyanogen (mods in general) - G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

The droid is coming out soon, and since my att contract is up ( and I just took my G1 into the ocean with me), I think I may hold out for the droid, looks like hte first Google Phone I can be proud of (though the g1 will always hold a special place).
Do we know if standard roms will work on the droid after we get past root?
Thanks

Better find another forum if you do cuz XDA is HTC devices only and people have tried HARD to sway Flar into opening other sub-forums for non-HTC devices and he wouldn't do it.

Thanks for the info, honestly I was here for the G1, and just assumed they were here for all dev on cell phones.
If anyone does know the info I would appreciate it

Though if its "only" htc, why is there a palm and a sony phone on the list?

put it this way, you can ask, but you probably will not receive. i saw a thread where some one was asking about a section for the cliq and the answer was "no, this site is for htc devices."

Let's keep hoping for an HTC powerhouse on GSM that surpasses the Dream soon,
before my back and home buttons fall off.
Hands on with the Cliq the one thing I liked was the D-Pad on the left thumb - which'd make gaming a lot better -
but really missed the trackball I've come to love.

sjbayer3 said:
Though if its "only" htc, why is there a palm and a sony phone on the list?
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They are manufactured by HTC

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Still worth buying?

Hey guys,
I'm currently using an Xperia X1, and frankly still happy with it..
However, I've fallen in love with the Android platform and the versatility it offers which I don't find on my Xperia.
But, since I'm pretty attached to having a physical keyboard, the HTC Hero is nothing for me, and i don't trust Motorola, so the G1 is the only option left.
My questions to you are, do you think it's still worth buying, and how will it hold up to the upcoming phones that are released?
Regards,
Ryu

I can't predict the future.... Right now the G1 is your best option if you want a hardware keyboard.

Fingerlickin said:
I can't predict the future.... Right now the G1 is your best option if you want a hardware keyboard.
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I can predict the future. I just bought a slightly used crystal ball from ebay and it's telling me you will find long lasting happiness with a g1.

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nice supreme, is that why you was downloading porn all night? Did your slightly used crystal ball tell you there's absolutely no sex in the near future for you?

the g1 is gonna have the most support compared to the moto and the lg, you know where to look when you have a question Im sure the development will go on for years, check out the dash (excalibur) how olds that phone and there is still development going on there keeping it up to par with 09 phones.

Fingerlickin said:
nice supreme, is that why you was downloading porn all night?
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I thought that was you tryin to peak in my window last night. You left your greasy fingerprints.
Fingerlickin said:
Did your slightly used crystal ball tell you there's absolutely no sex in the near future for you?
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That was the magic mirror that told me that.

ryu002 said:
Hey guys,
I'm currently using an Xperia X1, and frankly still happy with it..
However, I've fallen in love with the Android platform and the versatility it offers which I don't find on my Xperia.
But, since I'm pretty attached to having a physical keyboard, the HTC Hero is nothing for me, and i don't trust Motorola, so the G1 is the only option left.
My questions to you are, do you think it's still worth buying, and how will it hold up to the upcoming phones that are released?
Regards,
Ryu
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i would wait a month or so and see how the holiday phones stack up.

There are 2 or 3 android phones to be released in the coming months. I recall seeing an internal memo from T-Mobile a few months back. I want to say there was a G2 scheduled for release (with a hard keyboard) and another phone w/o a keyboard to be released in the latter half of October and early November.
I couldn't find the memo, but here's an article worth checking out.

need help pickin a new droid

well my g1 is pretty beat and my upgrade is comin up. i need some recomendations on a new phone. im on tmobile and im thinkin about the cliq since its the only one with a key board. i have big boy hands and the screen key board is a hassle everyone i tried at the tmobile store was a pain in the butt to use. is there any upcoming phones i should wait for that have a key board or is the cliq my only option

With Tmo? The Cliq is the only other Droid with a keyboard. The Nexus One (which I've ordered, so I may be biased) has a larger screen and is supposedly easier to type on.
For the record, I also didn't think I'd be interested in anything without a hardware keyboard... but the N1 caught my eye. Time will tell.

The Moto Droid is the best option with a keyboard. Might want to check out the GSM version of it - might work on T-Mobile 3G, but you won't be getting a subsidy contract for it.

I know you want a hard keyboard but... Nexus One.

iPod touch has a 3.5 inch screen, had it for a week and can type as fast as I can on G1 Hard kb
Nexus One has a 3.7 inch screen, just as fast with less mistakes, I bet

Gotta love when people listen, nexus this and that is all people waffle about.
Been looking to upgrade myself but screw the nexus and virual bloody keyboards! I want a keyboard plain and simple!
Google need to quit trying to be a fookin iphone! Looks like me and my G1 will just have to wait and see. There are a shedload of new devices coming with the android operating system so i'd sit back a few months and see what pops up.
Nexus can kiss my shiny white butt cheeks!

Almost pooped myself by thinking really n trying to conect WTF this thread has nething to do with development? Another thread to wreck the f up

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Almost pooped myself by thinking really n trying to conect WTF this thread has nething to do with development? Another thread to wreck the f up
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Well seeing as this is general and not development, need a map and a pair of glasses?

shadowch31 said:
Well seeing as this is general and not development, need a map and a pair of glasses?
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lol
My contract ends the 6th of june, so hopefully there will be a good phone with a hard keyboard out by then. I could probably use a soft one fine but, well, i don't want to Also, nothing about the nexus one really stands out for me. Yeah, sure, spec wise it's amazing, but the android it's running is just too similar to what i'm running on my G1 atm. I want something different tbh!!
I do like the look of the X10 though, shame it doesn't have a keyboard

shadowch31 said:
Well seeing as this is general and not development, need a map and a pair of glasses?
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lol i think he thinks hes cool......
i would choose the nexus myself...

Thinking about buying the G1

Ive been considering getting an android phone for quite a while so im thinking of the g1 becuase it is cheap and it has a keyboard, what are your guys thoughts, i have a fuze right now.

Don't buy a g1. I've had this phone since november 2008 and I can't wait to get rid of it. You should spend the money and get a better android phone, such as the droid, nexus, or wait for the htc desire. You will definitely have a better android experience with one of these phones. Its just to much hacking you have to do to make a G1 good.

gamikzone said:
Ive been considering getting an android phone for quite a while so im thinking of the g1 becuase it is cheap and it has a keyboard, what are your guys thoughts, i have a fuze right now.
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You'll feel sorry when you buy it....Wait for a "newer" phone from this decade to come out with a keyboard instead..

Ace42 said:
You'll feel sorry when you buy it....Wait for a "newer" phone from this decade to come out with a keyboard instead..
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And not made by Motorola

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And not made by Motorola
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well i was thinking of getting the g1 because it is cheap and u can put roms on it, but i might get the moto cliq also cuz its cheap but u cant put roms on it, either way im gonna use 1 of these phones for a few months till i get a better android mobile device.

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well i was thinking of getting the g1 because it is cheap and u can put roms on it, but i might get the moto cliq also cuz its cheap but u cant put roms on it, either way im gonna use 1 of these phones for a few months till i get a better android mobile device.
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Why not save money... :|

gamikzone said:
but i might get the moto cliq also cuz its cheap but u cant put roms on it, either way im gonna use 1 of these phones for a few months till i get a better android mobile device.
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Yeah I would stay away from the Cliq. There are roms for it, but there isn't as much development for it as there is for the G1. You'll find it to be quite boring and it's stuck on 1.5. If it's a choice between the two, get the G1.

Lol... Its pretty funny how everyone is saying the G1 is bad and don't buy it. Give it a month, there will be something then the N1 and everyone's going to say, "Don't buy the N1 its such garbage." G1 is a good phone. It won't take you to the moon, but it's not bad. =] I personally have the myTouch. I honestly wish I would have got G1 for keyboard, though. That's another reason I hate the N1... Yea, it's sexy... but touch screen keyboards have proved to be nothing but trouble for me. Besides misclicking (which you get better at) they usually lag. Sometimes slightly - sometimes horribly. They're NEVER as fast as a physical keyboard, though. They also prove to be trouble for games or things that use a keyboard. Most have full touch screen support, but I personally like to use a keyboard to play a game if it's an option. That's just my opinion.

I bought one off eBay for under $200 and I love it. I don't see how any other phone is better than it right now. It was a five row keyboard, trackball, and with all the custom roms available, it fits every niche that I want.

ranhdrcewp said:
I bought one off eBay for under $200 and I love it. I don't see how any other phone is better than it right now. It was a five row keyboard, trackball, and with all the custom roms available, it fits every niche that I want.
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http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/12/09/nokia-6700-classic-gold-edition-looms-into-view/
Beat THAT!

HTC DREAM (people... please call it what it actually IS and not what it has been DE-branded to...) is a very flexible device. Perfectly capable of running the latest builds of android.
The problem that some people are having is that the manufacturer (HTC) has decided to stop supporting it. This is no different than what will happen with the GN1 or other android phones made by HTC.
And the main thing to keep in mind is that this is a PHONE, not a supercomputer. Does it REALLY NEED to be the latest super-duper over powered crazy thing? NO. It really doesn't.
DREAM is very well known, and hacked up the wahzoo. There is virtually nothing that you can't make it do. Right down to being jtag-able.
Fact is simple; if you want maximum flexibility in your phone (more important than peak performance), DREAM is the ticket.

Cool guys, thx for the advice i defintley think i am going to purchase 1 off ebay, but im thinking if i should get the brown/black or the white, i saw the white can get a few nicks on in but it looks nice, what do u guys have?

gamikzone said:
Cool guys, thx for the advice i defintley think i am going to purchase 1 off ebay, but im thinking if i should get the brown/black or the white, i saw the white can get a few nicks on in but it looks nice, what do u guys have?
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ADP1: dark grey with cool graphics.
http://android.brightstarcorp.com/index_adp1.htm

ranhdrcewp said:
I bought one off eBay for under $200 and I love it. I don't see how any other phone is better than it right now. It was a five row keyboard, trackball, and with all the custom roms available, it fits every niche that I want.
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i know its a gr8 phone!

It's a fair buy
gamikzone said:
Ive been considering getting an android phone for quite a while so im thinking of the g1 becuase it is cheap and it has a keyboard, what are your guys thoughts, i have a fuze right now.
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I would say overall that I am very happy with this phone.
Especially with the hacks and mods that I've done to it.
Its fast, stable and looks great.
I am more than happy with this phone, (Especially since I traded a Sidekick LX for it) I haven't been this happy with a phone in a while.
I used to have the HTC Excalibur and coming from Windows Mobile to Android is phenomenal, everything is so simple once you learn and get the hang of it.
So if you have the cash and you are curious just buy it and learn the basics!
Well worth it!

What attracted to me about this phone is that it is able to use the keyboard( hard keyboard is obviously easier to use) to type and gaming. Moreover, the phone is able to be modded and a variety of ROMs that might suit your style to choose from.

I would actually want to buy a second HTC Dream if I could. Seriously, if you really want to utilise your PDA phone properly, the Dream can do it all for you. However, if you really want high end gaming and more sensitive touch screen & proximity sensors to show off, then it's better to get the latest phone. I find that as it is, I am utilising only 50% of what the Dream is capable of. So I have been using it since last year and will continue on until I cannot do certain things that are important for work. Just my 2cents.

Coming from all different kinds of OS's, Sony, WM for many years, and finally the awesome Android OS.
Its hard to compete against it. I like the idea of a quality physical keyboard and screen. There is so much development and quality Rom releases here for our phone.
Devs know this and that is why they stay and keep doing what they do so well for all of us. Themers as well deserve much respect for their hard work and commitment.
Bottom Line: Buy a G1, you'll be hard pressed to find a better android phone at this time.

Noob questions Samsung Moment vs Htc Hero

Going to be getting a new phone for my birthday this week. This will be my first ever smart phone. I have sprint and was wondering what the recommended phone was. The Sprint store has both the Hero and the Moment. The only diff. seems to be the full slide keyboard. From a total noob perspective can both be rooted and have hacked apps put on them. I didnt see a guide or section for the Samsung Moment thats why I ask. Anyways any help would be most welcome thanks again in advance for all your help

Wait 3 weeks and get the EVO. If you're impatient, get the Hero. Anything is better than a Samsung.
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Also, please dont ever discuss "hacked" apps here. Its illegal and Xda and the community does not condone "Warez" here.

VinceOB said:
Wait 3 weeks and get the EVO.
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If you can afford the EVO then you should wait. Otherwise, if you really can't put that extra $100 into the EVO then I say the Hero but I am biased. What I feel it really comes down to with these types of phones is what you state... the keyboard. Some people really need a physical keyboard and some don't care. That is the biggest factor in my opinion and one of personal preference.
Just remember you can bring the phone back in 30 days and get a different one if you don't like it.

Get the Hero and you will be able to go for the EVO when it comes out with Sprints 30 trade in policy. This way you can get used to an Android phone to start.

Do you want a keyboard or not??

also you might not want the evo because if you are in a 4g area there is a mandatory $10 a month charge.
Keep that in mind if you are considering that option. Supposedly if you are not in a 4g area then they don't charge you.

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Supposedly if you are not in a 4g area then they don't charge you.
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I was in a corporate store yesterday, asking that very question. I was told you pay the $10 whether or not your area has 4g. On the upside, I did put my name on the waiting list. You better believe I'll be there at 8am on 6/4 to pick mine up!

I went from having a blackberry to the Hero and I definitely miss having a physical keyboard. There are better keyboard apps you can get on the market that work better than the one installed on the Hero. Add a screen protector and it'll help your typing accuracy as well.
But, if you don't mind the bulkiness of the Moment then go with that.
Both phones can be rooted. You can find a lot of info on XDA if you put in some time.
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thanks
I think I will try the Hero out and see if the not having the keyboard will be an issue. if it isnt that bad then with the evo and its larger screen then I think i will def be able to get used to it. the $10 a month isnt that big of a deal if it really is sooo much faster like they claim. I just want to say thanks again to all those who took the time to reply

hero vs moment
the difference is not just the KB..
Moment is Samsung and they do not support the product well once they release the next phone.
It does not have the HTC sense, I really like sense. some say they prefer plain android.
Moment has higher hardware specs, but some say the Hero runs better and more responsive.
Moment does not have the same amount of support from forums like XDA.
also.. I am bais!!!!

Oh Dear, HTC is hurting

An article on my phone popped up (sorry forgot source) but it really looked bad.
Top Execs leaving.
Their Market share has dropped so low (under 4%) that some sites put them now in the "Other" Category (along with RIM etc.).
The HTC One is hoped to save them and most agree it's a fantastic phone, but now there are parts shortages and if you don't get that first wave you won't have a winner despite being better hardware.
Profits are down 98% from last year.
Profits are like in the Millions for HTC and Billions for Samsung (not sure if that is just for phones though).
Google HTC it's is all over the place.
I sure hope they can turn things around but now they are losing key people. I've had a new HTC phone every year since the Mogul (maybe earlier, been too long).
I don't think I've ever had to replace one (except one I bricked). Sold every one as working.
By the way I think this thread does belong here because the HTC One is Key and Folks Considering Buying one should know what's going on. I had no idea.
Sad that it popped up on my HTC Phone.

I too have a HTCONE and love the quality of HTC phones. But I also have a Samsung Note II. As for HTC going down hill, it serves them right for them locking down their bootloaders. First with the Evo 3D, and now the HTCONE. Yeah, I know they gave us htcdev.com but like with samsung devices, its so easy unlocking the bootloaders because Samsung supports our beloved developers. HTC just wants control, or some control, like our parents. Htc wants to say, "no no, you cant do that with your phone, it might hurt it". Htc doesn't want to give us "users" the choice to break our phones if we want, which is why they lock the bootloaders.
Htc thinks their slick too. With the evo 3d they allowed us to unlock our bootloaders but they wouldn't allow us to flash kernels, or downgrade our bootloaders. Which is why our developers found a way to hack into our bootloaders with the evo 3d to gain s-off. But with the HTCONE they also allowed us to unlock our bootloaders, only now they made it possible to flash kernels, their thinking if they gave us access to flash kernels, maybe our developers wouldn't worry about hacking the htcone's bootloader to gain s-off. But little do they know that where ever there's a rule, there's always someone who will find a way to break that rule.
As far as im concerned, htc is getting what they deserve. Htc had some serious followers until they released the evo 3d with a locked bootloader. I alone know of a couple dozen htc fans who stopped buying htc phones just because of that actoin of theirs. So I still bought the htcone thinking they might have learned their lesson, but NOPE, instead they release a dev addition, asking for more money for it. Htc is starting to remind me of Apple, lmao...
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mswlogo said:
An article on my phone popped up (sorry forgot source) but it really looked bad.
Top Execs leaving.
Their Market share has dropped so low (under 4%) that some sites put them now in the "Other" Category (along with RIM etc.).
The HTC One is hoped to save them and most agree it's a fantastic phone, but now there are parts shortages and if you don't get that first wave you won't have a winner despite being better hardware.
Profits are down 98% from last year.
Profits are like in the Millions for HTC and Billions for Samsung (not sure if that is just for phones though).
Google HTC it's is all over the place.
I sure hope they can turn things around but now they are losing key people. I've had a new HTC phone every year since the Mogul (maybe earlier, been too long).
I don't think I've ever had to replace one (except one I bricked). Sold every one as working.
By the way I think this thread does belong here because the HTC One is Key and Folks Considering Buying one should know what's going on. I had no idea.
Sad that it popped up on my HTC Phone.
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LOL, looking at it all wrong.
For the past few years people were complaining about HTC's marketing strategies, design, and other things. HTC is taking the power from those people who were directly responsible for those things people were complaining about, and giving it to new people with fresh ideas, new strategies and new direction. Its call change, and to me its a change for the better. You can already see the difference in strategy and its working. Those guys seem bitter that they are getting phased out. HTC is evolving and I give them kudos rather than keep the same people and be status quo.

I read that story too. While I agree that HTC has suffered I believe that story is hyperbolic. Some execs left, they all seemed to have other jobs lined up pretty quickly. The fact is things weren't going great. The fact that they left might be a good thing as they might be part of the problem.
Another fact is the HTC One has been and will continue to be a success at least through the summer. It needs the 4.2 update to compete. If it launched with 4.2 there really would be no place to complain.
I don't know what the future has for HTC but they are doing better than BlackBerry and Nokia if that means anything. As for the bootloader, you heard of Motorola?
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I agree with the better off comments. The guy who is telling his friends to leave we have no idea if he is a disgruntled employee trying to blow the low numbers into a sensationalized story, or if he was legit employee that was valued at the company.
One truth we know, these guys that are leaving are the ones who drove the company downward, so yeah better off without them
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well I figure no matter what the devs we have here will still keep the one updated even if htc goes under.

sniperkill said:
I too have a HTCONE and love the quality of HTC phones. But I also have a Samsung Note II. As for HTC going down hill, it serves them right for them locking down their bootloaders. First with the Evo 3D, and now the HTCONE. Yeah, I know they gave us htcdev.com but like with samsung devices, its so easy unlocking the bootloaders because Samsung supports our beloved developers. HTC just wants control, or some control, like our parents. Htc wants to say, "no no, you cant do that with your phone, it might hurt it". Htc doesn't want to give us "users" the choice to break our phones if we want, which is why they lock the bootloaders.
Htc thinks their slick too. With the evo 3d they allowed us to unlock our bootloaders but they wouldn't allow us to flash kernels, or downgrade our bootloaders. Which is why our developers found a way to hack into our bootloaders with the evo 3d to gain s-off. But with the HTCONE they also allowed us to unlock our bootloaders, only now they made it possible to flash kernels, their thinking if they gave us access to flash kernels, maybe our developers wouldn't worry about hacking the htcone's bootloader to gain s-off. But little do they know that where ever there's a rule, there's always someone who will find a way to break that rule.
As far as im concerned, htc is getting what they deserve. Htc had some serious followers until they released the evo 3d with a locked bootloader. I alone know of a couple dozen htc fans who stopped buying htc phones just because of that actoin of theirs. So I still bought the htcone thinking they might have learned their lesson, but NOPE, instead they release a dev addition, asking for more money for it. Htc is starting to remind me of Apple, lmao...
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Hmm I'm not calling you a liar, but I am skeptical of your "couple dozen fans" story. Even if it was true, it's only a minor amount.
Facts are facts and one fact is the android community that actually hacks, roots, installs custom software or even knows those options are available, is very small. The majority of android users have no idea or care less and it's not even close. Even smaller is the part of the android community that hacks and needs s-off on a phone like the One. I flash custom roms/kernels. S-off would be pretty cool, but it isn't really gonna offer me anything more than I already have. While it's a *bleep* move for HTC to do that, it is hardly the reason they are losing money.
HTC is simply falling off because they don't know how to market. They are doing a better job with the One, but it's almost too little too late. Samsung is the new Apple and the war between Android and Apple consists of Samsung and Iphone/Ipad products thanks to huge, clever marketing. That's pretty much what it boils down to. There is a reason why advertising is so expensive.
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I read that story too. While I agree that HTC has suffered I believe that story is hyperbolic. Some execs left, they all seemed to have other jobs lined up pretty quickly. The fact is things weren't going great. The fact that they left might be a good thing as they might be part of the problem.
Another fact is the HTC One has been and will continue to be a success at least through the summer. It needs the 4.2 update to compete. If it launched with 4.2 there really would be no place to complain.
I don't know what the future has for HTC but they are doing better than BlackBerry and Nokia if that means anything. As for the bootloader, you heard of Motorola?
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Again, the 4.2 update will be nice, but nobody pays attention to that outside of the hacking community.
Samsung s4= Android Jelly Bean
Htc One= Android Jelly Bean.
What's the real difference, the real selling point to an average android user of 4.2 over 4.1 ? They aren't going to care.
You know what they see? They see Samsung commercials banging on Apple, they see software gimmicks like "smart scroll' and other "shinys"
Cool camera features, IR blasters and other goodies to show their friends. They aren't looking for better bluetooth stacks and the like. Heck even windows is getting in on the marketing ploy, showing commercials of android and phone users fighting each other, it's all marketing.

Rippley05 said:
Hmm I'm not calling you a liar, but I am skeptical of your "couple dozen fans" story. Even if it was true, it's only a minor amount.
Facts are facts and one fact is the android community that actually hacks, roots, installs custom software or even knows those options are available, is very small. The majority of android users have no idea or care less and it's not even close. Even smaller is the part of the android community that hacks and needs s-off on a phone like the One. I flash custom roms/kernels. S-off would be pretty cool, but it isn't really gonna offer me anything more than I already have. While it's a *bleep* move for HTC to do that, it is hardly the reason they are losing money.
HTC is simply falling off because they don't know how to market. They are doing a better job with the One, but it's almost too little too late. Samsung is the new Apple and the war between Android and Apple consists of Samsung and Iphone/Ipad products thanks to huge, clever marketing. That's pretty much what it boils down to. There is a reason why advertising is so expensive.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. XDA has what... 5 million members world wide... World population is estimated at 7 billions (in 2012)... assume only 1/4 of those own cell phones and lets double the 5 million number... so 1.75 billion potential cellphone users... lets just use the 50% marketshare for android... so 875 million android handsets out there...
10 million / 875 million = 1.1% ... Yes these numbes are 100% pulled out of my behind but we can get even more liberal and says 1/32nd of the total population own cell phones... that would equal roughly 9% of the cellphone population would care about unlocked bootloaders...

Well I don't know the story about unlocked Bootloaders w.r.t. other brands, except I do know it's extremely difficult on iPhones to Jailbreak (if not impossible on iPhone5). But I don't blame HTC at all. I'm sure a lot comes from carriers. They don't want unlocked devices on their network. Sprint/AT&T/T-Mobile etc. is their customer.
I also agree many don't know what a bootloader is, but it's really surprising to see things like RootExplorer, Titanium Backup, ROM Manager etc. as top downloads on Google Play. Although the stats might be skewed with all the "Wiping" and Reflashing
Interesting some see it as a positive move. Well one of the lead technical guys responsible for the HTC One just left. And the CEO said he'll step down if HTC One fails.
Yeah the new direction might be more plastic to compete with Samsung.

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Just so everyone's clear, this is not as big of a reason as this person has made it out to be. The amount of people who care about the bootloader or rooting the phone when buying an HTC phone is probably less than 2%. The problem is they were crushed with Samsung's huge spending on advertising. They even got a little bit of free advertisement for those who just pay attention because of their problems with Apple. That being said, HTC is putting more into advertisement, but they are having a hard time delivering their products. With them now being a B-List consumer for parts, it's hard to deliver the products to the demand. People now have to say "Well, I either settle with a Samsung phone, or wait for an HTC One to become available." I believe they'll bounce back, but it's going to be a tough year if they can't produce more of these phones and get them into the hands of the customers that want them.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41720350&postcount=8 Did some basic assumptions on that percent.
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As others have said, it's a very small minority that care about unlocked bootloaders, etc. Companies aren't making huge profits because of the number of people buying the phone for root, S-OFF, etc. Profit margins are based on the masses.
The real problem is the G3 was a helluva phone that was the best android phone at the time, far beating out the Evo3d, which was a crap "upgrade" to the badass Evo. And Samsuck had a helluva marketing scheme. It appears Samsung is now following Apple's lead in putting out new phones without much substance, but people "have to have them" just like iPhone users have to have the latest inconsequential update. The One is a great phone, but there's a reason I didn't renew my contract when I bought the phone. Hopefully HTC can right the ship, cause I love this phone and HTC, but you have to keep up in technology (especially wireless) not just in hardware but also in customers' perception of your products. (marketing)
I will say, I was putzing with my phone this weekend and a friend asked if it was The One, saying he was jealous after I said yep.
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As for the GS3 vs Evo3d... it was actually the GS2 (Epic 4g Touch) vs the EVO3d... GS3 came out later.

numus said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41720350&postcount=8 Did some basic assumptions on that percent.
As for the GS3 vs Evo3d... it was actually the GS2 (Epic 4g Touch) vs the EVO3d... GS3 came out later.
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I'm sure that percentage is much less than that even.

HTC hurt itself with Sense 3 as beautiful as it was, it lagged. Sg2 was smooth, a lot of employees at radioshack, best buy and sprint were recommending Samsung over htc because of the lag.
I met a radioshack employee who told me he had the og and got the 3D and then sold it for the sg2. He said he was happy with the move. Hi showed him my 3D at the time and yeah it lagged big time. Interestingly enough the guy told me to check out themikmik for some faster roms than the ones on xda for the 3D.
I don't want to discredit the guy with 12 friends who bailed on htc, they could have been mobile kiosk employees at the mall who recommended Samsung over htc.
Back on the current generation of phones, the one is better, sg4 lags. Might be too late if Samsung developed some brand loyalty over the last 2 yrs. As for the storagr/lack of sd, regular people don't care about it. Only here on xda people care so they can carry entire music collection and/or their pron. I'll be honest I would carry more pron with me lol
Its not the end of htc, someone will buy them to get into the mobile game, give them some cash and breathe life into the brand. I'm thinking HP would be a great company to take over htc.
Again the blame for htc downward trend lies with these guys that are leaving the company
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numus said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41720350&postcount=8 Did some basic assumptions on that percent.
As for the GS3 vs Evo3d... it was actually the GS2 (Epic 4g Touch) vs the EVO3d... GS3 came out later.
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Very true and it was the evo lte vs gs3. I think another major issue that plagued the lte was the fact that the form factor is different than the one x.... Samsung made the gs3 the same form factor across the carriers. I believe this helped boost their rep with consumers. Because if I'm not mistaken HTC and sammy were pretty closely tied prior to the gs3 release ( and I know they marketed the **** out of the phone but again they only needed to advertise one device where HTC had what like 17 variants of the one last year?)
As for et4g vs 3d I had both... Twice actually and both times I preferred my 3d by a looooong shot. Battery life was so much better, beats, I liked the development better and as for speed they were close but I'll take a Qualcomm over an exynos anyday. The only reason j kept switching was because I was in a wimax area so refused to upgrade to lte and wanted to play with something else.

Another thing that hurt them was the numerous release of so many different models after the HTC evo all with different names, there was no market branding to it. think of htc sensation htc rhyme htc insert name here. Samsung chose the different route release on all carriers distinguished their brand with a common name "galaxy" series name. Every day users will see a Samsung and go oh that's a galaxy device.
HTC should have stuck to the evo brand as that was the one phone that people recognized and just used that name across the board, they are trying to do this now with the "One" series but it has been a little late.
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My whole thing about sd card is not for more storage to store music and such. It's the damn games that take up all the spaces. Games like Gameloft, gta and such 3d games uses a lot of storage space. I bought a bunch of gameloft games for a buck a piece back then and my son and i loved to play them. I'd be damn if i can't install all the games i have on a such flagship device.
Who knows, maybe just my family who play these games on these capable powerful devices.

A few years ago, there were a lot less people with smartphones and were rockin phones like Rumor touches because texting was the hot thing. At that time, phones made by HTC were high end and distinct from others so people got to know the HTC brand as awesome! HTC lost that touch at some point and failed to continue that connection with customers by getting a little greedy (imo), trying to fast produce all these different phones at the same time which imo, some of them were soso quality and people started saying bad things about HTC. If they would have stuck with awesome, unique, distinct, and innovative devices, that's what they would be known for today. But instead, now people only see Samsung and Apple as top dogs. The " Quitely Brilliant" slogan fit them very well at one time because HTC was small (compared to Sami/Apple) but had a big punch when they brought a new phone out. Anyhow...I hope HTC can turn this around and if not, hopefully Google will buy them. I absolutely love my ONE btw.....
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Chou needs to go. The beats investment, bloated sense 3 and a continuous dive in revenue have all been under his watch . Any other ceo would have been fired long ago.
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