Hi. I've bought my first Android device, a HTC G1 Dream. I've gained root access, installed the last Cyanogen release (with Android 1.6), RA-1.2.3.
What I've noticed is a strange behavior, quite different from the one I had with my BlackBerry Bold.
When I'm home I enable wifi, to save some datas from my (limited) contract. It works and I've set not to disable wifi when in standby. It works. But as soon as I go out (and the wifi coverage finishes), it doesn't re-enable UMTS data until I awake it from the standby manually.
It's quite annoying...is there a way to change this kind of behavior?
Thank you very much!
Is it still connected to EDGE or GPRS? If this is the case it is a PowerSaving feature, if it's totally lost connection with the net then you have a problem I guess...
sturmeh said:
Is it still connected to EDGE or GPRS? If this is the case it is a PowerSaving feature, if it's totally lost connection with the net then you have a problem I guess...
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When I connect via Wifi, it disconnects from edge, gprs or umts. And doesn't reconnect when the wifi coverage ends (unless I "re-awake" the phone,pushing the menu button)
from what i read your saying thats while its sleeping its not connecting to your data services when your leaving wifi coverage, so my question is: do you not see the data icon when you wake up the phone but after waking it it comes on or are u assuming that its not on?
stefan.buddle said:
from what i read your saying thats while its sleeping its not connecting to your data services when your leaving wifi coverage, so my question is: do you not see the data icon when you wake up the phone but after waking it it comes on or are u assuming that its not on?
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Yes, I cannot see the icon as soon as I wake up it. Then, in some seconds, it reconnects. More, I can see it's not just a "icon" issue because my K9-mail stops collecting my mailboxes when that situation happen.
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I recently applied the Kaiser tweak to disable idle connections after 1 min - this works great when the phone is on, however, when it goes into sleep mode, this fails to work.
E.G. If I click send/receive on my emails then quickly put it into sleep, turn on the device in 10min and it would have stayed connected, once it is turned on after a minute it will disconnect.
This morning I turned on the device to see that it had connected to receive emails last night and had stayed connected for hours - of course once I turned it on the tweak kicked in and it disconnected after a minute.
So my question is, how do you get the tweak to work whilst in Sleep? Any work arounds?
Thanks in advance!
Hi
If you are referring to GPRS/3G there is no problem the connection remaining active. It isn't really active unless data is being transferred, it is just the session remains ready for data. The mobile operators prefer it working this way as it is less strain on the network creating a data connection and keeping it rather than setting them up/closing them down/setting them backup again.
It doesn't use any more power by remaining up.
The software isn't shutting down the connection when you have the phone in standby as quite simply the software will not be running in standby, everything stops in standby, so the program can't run to turn off the connection, until you turn the phone on again.
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Phil
Hi Philip,
From my experience I have found that even if the data connection is open with no data flow (HSDPA / 3G ) it drains the battery much more than if it were closed.
Or is this just for HSDPA?
snaveint said:
Hi Philip,
From my experience I have found that even if the data connection is open with no data flow (HSDPA / 3G ) it drains the battery much more than if it were closed.
Or is this just for HSDPA?
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There is a blog that explains what is happening from Microsoft.
I would guess that while the connection is active something on the device is seeing that and stopping the device from entering standby.
The actual connection itself remaining open does not drain any more power as it isn't doing anything different than just having your phone on waiting for a call.
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/07/14/666203.aspx
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Phil
Hi Philip,
Thanks for your response.
I have to say though from the last few days of tinkering, an open connection does drain more than a closed one even with no data flowing. This is with HSDPA, I have not tested this with just a 3G open data connection though...
Are we talking about the same things? I'm a bit new to this phone though sorry.
Thanks,
I dont have a data plan so when it switches, all my data applications (helloaim, etc) go dead. Is there any app on the g1 that keeps the wifi radio on? I know the iphone has something like this
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I know this is cliche and annoying but that's an option in the cupcake build I tried.
just turn the screen time-out to Never, so it never goes into sleep mode. i know this isn't very practicle and quite battery-consuming, but i can't think of anything else that would work.
you tryed APNDroid from the market? Its a Programm to toggle G3/Edge/Gprs Connection - so it's not automatically switching, but only a click
I think this might be what you are looking for.
http://www.cyrket.com/asset/-3636142754456488337
Keep WiFi
Annoyed by observing your WiFi connection switches with 2G/3G when your cell phone takes its pause?
This service will keep your Wifi connection on air, even if your phone's screen goes off.
This service does not influence your normal WiFi enable/disable behaviour.
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or Wiggle.
kb8to24 said:
I dont have a data plan so when it switches, all my data applications (helloaim, etc) go dead. Is there any app on the g1 that keeps the wifi radio on? I know the iphone has something like this
thanks
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There is an app in the market called Wifi Lock that does what you are looking for and its free.
I have a wifi issue that is a little different from other I have read here.
Issue: When my phone screen is off, it will NOT auto-connect to saved Wifi hotspots (eg, home, office) within range, until I wake up the phone (turn on the screen).
When it is connected to the Wifi hotspot, it will keep the connections even when the screen is off. (non issue)
I have set "Keep Wifi on during Sleep" to Always, and set "Sleep mode" to off. "Power Saver" is off too. Mobile data is off (I turn it on only when I need it). I checked battery usage, and Wifi is constantly on, just that it does not connected to the saved Wifi.
My question/issue is, is it normal for the One to not auto-connect to saved Wifi hotspots within range when the screen is off?
On my old HTC EVO 3D running ICS, it will automatically connect to the same hotspots without the need to wake up the phone (turn on the screen).
My One is still using the stock Rogers firmware (1.29.631.4)
UPDATE: I found that this appears to happen only when the screen has been off for a longer time (more than a couple hours). If I have waken the screen up an hour before it entered the saved wifi range, then it seems to auto-connect fine. Need more testings.
BB88 said:
I have a wifi issue that is a little different from other I have read here.
Issue: When my phone screen is off, it will NOT auto-connect to saved Wifi hotspots (eg, home, office) within range, until I wake up the phone (turn on the screen).
When it is connected to the Wifi hotspot, it will keep the connections even when the screen is off. (non issue)
I have set "Keep Wifi on during Sleep" to Always, and set "Sleep mode" to off. "Power Saver" is off too. Mobile data is off (I turn it on only when I need it)
My question/issue is, is it normal for the One to not auto-connect to saved Wifi hotspots within range?
On my old HTC EVO 3D running ICS, it will automatically connect to the same hotspots without the need to wake up the phone (turn on the screen).
My One is still using the stock Rogers firmware (1.29.631.4)
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I do believe it is normal. It's to conserve power your phone would have to have a wakelock to connect to another network draining power. As I understand it the ONE puts the wifi into a power saving mode when it's not connected so it's not constantly draining your power while driving. Once you wake the screen it will then connect as it assumes you want it.
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I do believe it is normal. It's to conserve power your phone would have to have a wakelock to connect to another network draining power. As I understand it the ONE puts the wifi into a power saving mode when it's not connected so it's not constantly draining your power while driving. Once you wake the screen it will then connect as it assumes you want it.
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Should that be an option to turn that off, such as the "Wifi Sleep Policy" I saw from some other rom? Or the settings I mentioned above disable that behaviour already?
BB88 said:
Should that be an option to turn that off, such as the "Wifi Sleep Policy" I saw from some other rom? Or the settings I mentioned above disable that behaviour already?
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Don't think so. The wifi sleep would turn the wifi radio off which isn't happening. Oh quick thought check the network and make sure the phone is set to auto connect that would do it for sure!
nullkill said:
Don't think so. The wifi sleep would turn the wifi radio off which isn't happening. Oh quick thought check the network and make sure the phone is set to auto connect that would do it for sure!
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What do you mean by network and auto connect?
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What do you mean by network and auto connect?
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Nevermind isn't there. Maybe I'm thinking of stock android or maybe I'm thinking of another OS.
Can anyone else confirm if this behaviour is normal or not?
So if I don't wake my screen, I will never get any sync when the screen is off and I just get back into wifi range?
BB88 said:
Can anyone else confirm if this behaviour is normal or not?
So if I don't wake my screen, I will never get any sync when the screen is off and I just get back into wifi range?
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Go into WiFi Settings, Go to the menu and click Advanced. Change "Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep" to "Always".
WiFi will connect with screen off.
nuggstein said:
Go into WiFi Settings, Go to the menu and click Advanced. Change "Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep" to "Always".
WiFi will connect with screen off.
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As I have indicated in my first post, this has been set to "Always" already. Are you sure that works for you?
What is the phone not doing that you want it to do? Just turn on auto sync if you want your email and FB updates to be waiting for you. Or is that not working?
Quick test. Put your phone to sleep with gmail autosync push mail on. Turn off data and only enable WiFi. Then send yourself an email from a computer, if you get a notification on your phone while it is sleeping, then it is working. Or you can place a voip call with viber or send yourself a viber text from another phone.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
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What is the phone not doing that you want it to do? Just turn on auto sync if you want your email and FB updates to be waiting for you. Or is that not working?
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It is not auto connecting to the saved Wifi networks when I go to work, or when I go home, with the screen off. I have to wake the phone (press the power button) and you can see that it will connect to the saved Wifi networks. The FB notifications and Whatsapp notifications are pushed, so they don't require auto-sync to be on.
checksum123 said:
Quick test. Put your phone to sleep with gmail autosync push mail on. Turn off data and only enable WiFi. Then send yourself an email from a computer, if you get a notification on your phone while it is sleeping, then it is working. Or you can place a voip call with viber or send yourself a viber text from another phone.
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If my phone is already connected to the Wifi networks, putting it to sleep will NOT disconnect it from the Wifi network. It only happens when I changed from one saved network to another (home to work, or work to home) with the screen off, then it will not auto-connect. I have tested that and I'm not getting the notification in that situations. I have to wake the phone up to trigger the auto-connect.
BB88 said:
It is not auto connecting to the saved Wifi networks when I go to work, or when I go home, with the screen off. I have to wake the phone (press the power button) and you can see that it will connect to the saved Wifi networks. The FB notifications and Whatsapp notifications are pushed, so they don't require auto-sync to be on.
If my phone is already connected to the Wifi networks, putting it to sleep will NOT disconnect it from the Wifi network. It only happens when I changed from one saved network to another (home to work, or work to home) with the screen off, then it will not auto-connect. I have tested that and I'm not getting the notification in that situations. I have to wake the phone up to trigger the auto-connect.
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Is your wifi toggle always on? Or do you turn it off once you leave a certain network? The only way the device will auto connect to a saved network, is if the wifi toggle is already turned on before you go near a saved wifi network.
If you want a saved network to automatically turn on wifi and connect to a saved network, you will need some thing like juice defender. It teaches itself to know when you're near a saved wifi network and it will automatically turn on your wifi toggle on and connect to the saved network. Then once you leave the area or lock your device, it will automatically toggle off wifi and disconnect from the wifi network.
Sent from my HTC myTouch 4g using xda premium
coupetastic-droid said:
Is your wifi toggle always on? Or do you turn it off once you leave a certain network? The only way the device will auto connect to a saved network, is if the wifi toggle is already turned on before you go near a saved wifi network.
If you want a saved network to automatically turn on wifi and connect to a saved network, you will need some thing like juice defender. It teaches itself to know when you're near a saved wifi network and it will automatically turn on your wifi toggle on and connect to the saved network. Then once you leave the area or lock your device, it will automatically toggle off wifi and disconnect from the wifi network.
Sent from my HTC myTouch 4g using xda premium
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Not sure what you mean by "wifi toggle always on". My Wifi (under setting) on the phone is always on. I never turned it off. Under Power History, I can also see that Wifi is always on (un-interrupted blue bar).
I contacted HTC support, and they asked me to change the WiFi band frequency from "Auto" to "2.4GHz" and reboot the phone. It seems to have fixed the problem so far (after a couple days of testing). Although it would have been nice if they can fixed the problem properly.
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I contacted HTC support, and they asked me to change the WiFi band frequency from "Auto" to "2.4GHz" and reboot the phone. It seems to have fixed the problem so far (after a couple days of testing). Although it would have been nice if they can fixed the problem properly.
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Actually, the problem still exists.
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Actually, the problem still exists.
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Yeah, I just got the One almost a month ago and seriously thinking of returning it because of this issue. I wish I wouldn't have rooted it because since I did for some reason I can't get ADB to recognize my device. I've tried everything my noob brain can think of to fix it and the wifi issue but nothing works. I see that no other developers have a fix either as no apps or threads here give a solid solution.
I might give AT&T the money to warranty it and just get another device but I want that to be my last resort.
Personally, I think it might be an isolated hardware defect that was addressed with later devices which is why it is not as wide spread and therefore doesn't generate a need to find a workable solution.
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BTW I've flashed several of the popular roms on XDA to see if that fixed it including Viper and CM but to no avail...
automaddux said:
Yeah, I just got the One almost a month ago and seriously thinking of returning it because of this issue. I wish I wouldn't have rooted it because since I did for some reason I can't get ADB to recognize my device. I've tried everything my noob brain can think of to fix it and the wifi issue but nothing works. I see that no other developers have a fix either as no apps or threads here give a solid solution.
I might give AT&T the money to warranty it and just get another device but I want that to be my last resort.
Personally, I think it might be an isolated hardware defect that was addressed with later devices which is why it is not as wide spread and therefore doesn't generate a need to find a workable solution.
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BTW I've flashed several of the popular roms on XDA to see if that fixed it including Viper and CM but to no avail...
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Not sure if I have been using the phone more, or if I have flash new radio (Radio from 2.17 base - 4A.16.3250.24_10.38.1150.03L (flashable Zip) and rom (ARHD), I don't think I have this problem any more.
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Not sure if I have been using the phone more, or if I have flash new radio (Radio from 2.17 base - 4A.16.3250.24_10.38.1150.03L (flashable Zip) and rom (ARHD), I don't think I have this problem any more.
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can you flash a radio with S-on? I don' wanna try it and brick it. but I have been wanting to see if that fixes it
automaddux said:
can you flash a radio with S-on? I don' wanna try it and brick it. but I have been wanting to see if that fixes it
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No, I believe you have to be S-Off to do that, or else you need to flash the firmware. Have you trying reinstalling drivers or try on another computer to get ADB to recognise your phone?
Hi guys,
on my xt1068 (5.0.2 stock, no root, locked bootloader), 3g data always hangs when I'm travelling (e.g. Home -> Work). The only solution is to cycle the connection....
When I'm at home it works like a charm, even for an entire weekend
The mobile data icon remains "on", with full bars and H/3g symbol...but I cannot send or receive data.
Any ideas? As you understand this is really annoying. :silly:
Thanks.
Bonehead81 said:
Hi guys,
on my xt1068 (5.0.2 stock, no root, locked bootloader), 3g data always hangs when I'm travelling (e.g. Home -> Work). The only solution is to cycle the connection....
When I'm at home it works like a charm, even for an entire weekend
The mobile data icon remains "on", with full bars and H/3g symbol...but I cannot send or receive data.
Any ideas? As you understand this is really annoying. :silly:
Thanks.
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I have the same problem but not all the time and I'm still on 4.4.4, I leave the house therefore disconnecting from WiFi sometimes 3G doesn't 'pickup' esp. if I turn off WiFi after it has moved out of range, like you it displays 3G or H but no data can be sent, the only way to fix it is rebooting the device.
Do you turn off WiFi manually after leaving the house? as mine only seems to do it if I do that.
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I have the same problem but not all the time and I'm still on 4.4.4, I leave the house therefore disconnecting from WiFi sometimes 3G doesn't 'pickup' esp. if I turn off WiFi after it has moved out of range, like you it displays 3G or H but no data can be sent, the only way to fix it is rebooting the device.
Do you turn off WiFi manually after leaving the house? as mine only seems to do it if I do that.
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Hmm, I always leave the WiFi on. I'm going back home atm and I just switched it off. Let's see if 3g stays active...(even if it would be the exact opposite behaviour than yours)
Thanks for the tip, I'll keep you posted.
I have it enabled and it says it auto turns off WiFi and back on when near used wifi locations but it doesn't do that at all. Does it simplyeave WiFi on but low energy?
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Yeah it works.
How do you know it doesn't do it? Cellular phones hand off betwixt cellular and wifi all the time.
When and how often it does is based on some under the hood shenanigans that we dont know about.
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How do you know it doesn't do it? Cellular phones hand off betwixt cellular and wifi all the time.
When and how often it does is based on some under the hood shenanigans that we dont know about.
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I drive away from my house. WiFi stays on but not connected. Screenshot says wifi will turn on when near known connections but it never turns off ?
masri1987 said:
I drive away from my house. WiFi stays on but not connected. Screenshot says wifi will turn on when near known connections but it never turns off ?
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I don't think it's supposed to turn off. What that phrase means is that it will connect to WiFi when it's near a saved access point and will use mobile data when none are nearby, but WiFi will still remain on.
What adaptive WiFi does is it will use mobile data even if it's connected to a WiFi access point if the WiFi signal is bad.
I'm not sure what adaptive wifi supposed to do, I have it off and it switches between wifi and cell as it should. Is it switching in the middle of data transfer or something? Because right now I probably drop connection if move outside wifi range and will be on cell tower on the next redial. But to tell truth I never tested it.
So basically it's a gimmick, because Wifi as it is, will auto-connect to previously connected networks as long as you had wifi on. If i'm interpreting the screenshot properly the feature "turns on" wifi, therefore, it must be able to turn it off? I've even manually turned it off to see if it will turn itself back on when i get back home and nothing either.
No documentation on Samsung's site as far as i can find
masri1987 said:
So basically it's a gimmick, because Wifi as it is, will auto-connect to previously connected networks as long as you had wifi on. If i'm interpreting the screenshot properly the feature "turns on" wifi, therefore, it must be able to turn it off? I've even manually turned it off to see if it will turn itself back on when i get back home and nothing either.
No documentation on Samsung's site as far as i can find
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Basically if you're connected to WiFi but have crappy signal like .2 kbps, it will start using your mobile data even if you're still connected to that WiFi. With adaptive WiFi turned off, it will keep using the crappy WiFi connection until you manually turn WiFi off or manually disconnect from the crappy network. Pretty much the reverse of WiFi calling (use WiFi if phone signal is crappy). Note the exceptions sentence at the bottom, it will not use mobile data even if the WiFi has a crappy signal if the crappy WiFi is exempted.
The "turn on" statement is correct, it will automatically turn on and connect to WiFi when it's in range of "trusted" access points (similar to "trusted devices" and "trusted places") but there is no automatic "turn off", at least, it hasn't done that while I've been using it.
OK i see what you are saying
wifi does not PHYSICALLY TURN OFF. wifi is still connected--the phone will auto switch to the stronger of the two. it won't turn the on screen "switch" off if that is what you are looking for.
its not a gimmick. it works if you are in an area with robust wifi and/or cellular. its supposed to work "in the background" so you don't know its going on.
google fi kinda does this. since google fi uses tmobile and sprint, the phone auto switches between the two carriers depending on which is stronger at the time. i've seen this happen by monitoring an app.
masri1987 said:
So basically it's a gimmick, because Wifi as it is, will auto-connect to previously connected networks as long as you had wifi on. If i'm interpreting the screenshot properly the feature "turns on" wifi, therefore, it must be able to turn it off? I've even manually turned it off to see if it will turn itself back on when i get back home and nothing either.
No documentation on Samsung's site as far as i can find
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Not a gimmick at all. I work at a hospital that has wireless routers throughout that all piggy back the same access point. I see Adaptive wifi in action all day. Keeps me from losing my connectivity from my work portal.
don't think I want to have this on: I have limit on my cell data, let's say I start downloading something large, let's say 5- 10 GB movie from Amazon on wifi, then I go to my upstairs bedroom, wifi gets weaker, so it switches itself to stronger cell tower and eats my whole month data allotment in one evening, before I even notice? And all I had to do is keep the phone downstairs, next to the router to avoid it. Or am I missing something?
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Basically if you're connected to WiFi but have crappy signal like .2 kbps, it will start using your mobile data even if you're still connected to that WiFi. With adaptive WiFi turned off, it will keep using the crappy WiFi connection until you manually turn WiFi off or manually disconnect from the crappy network. Pretty much the reverse of WiFi calling (use WiFi if phone signal is crappy). Note the exceptions sentence at the bottom, it will not use mobile data even if the WiFi has a crappy signal if the crappy WiFi is exempted.
The "turn on" statement is correct, it will automatically turn on and connect to WiFi when it's in range of "trusted" access points (similar to "trusted devices" and "trusted places") but there is no automatic "turn off", at least, it hasn't done that while I've been using it.
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Exactly what happens to me when I leave home. My phone (old Note 7) will stay connected to my home network but won't be able to pull down any data from the net. It has to be manually turned off.
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thanks for the education!!
Any 3rd party apps you can recommend that would do what i am looking for?
so an update. It work exactly how it says it would. I had to drive 7 miles out, but wifi automatically turned off, even with scanning off, once i got home it turned back on.
I like it. It works great for me.
masri1987 said:
so an update. It work exactly how it says it would. I had to drive 7 miles out, but wifi automatically turned off, even with scanning off, once i got home it turned back on.
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Ah, that's the thing. I noticed my WiFi would automatically turn off sometimes and sometimes not, and I couldn't reproduce it reliably. It's most likely either distance or time you have to be away from the "trusted" access point.
Congrats, now you can forget about toggling WiFi forever!
I think this setting has been screwing with my wifi related Tasker profiles. Suspect it really does turn wifi off.
I used to switch my wifi off manually when leaving the house.
All this #[email protected]\%! public wifi, blocking my internet because asking to log in....
Any shop or restaurant where you walk in does it.
And you do not know it, till you search the web and see that there is no internet at all till you switch your wifi off or log in to the shops fishing routers.
Adaptive wifi is a must have and a great improvement.
E.g. walk in a MacDonald's with adaptive switched on or off, you will see it is mother's little helper.
You need to have enough data from your provider of course.
Huib
masri1987 said:
thanks for the education!!
Any 3rd party apps you can recommend that would do what i am looking for?
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Ifttt on Google play store
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When and how often it does is based on some under the hood shenanigans that we dont know about.
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Now that is some sweet use of the English language!