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What should i choose....

I am going to switch my hermes into something new, I have the S730, HTC Touch, Touch Dual and Kaiser in my hands right now, and I just cant decide!!
and if that wasn't enough, I also have the Cruise to choose as well.
But which one? I really like the Touch models (leaning toward the Htc Touch and not the Dual) because of their size, they are perfect to just have in your pocket. However, GPS and 3G would be nice! and that has the Kaiser and the Cruise. So there it is just a matter of keyboard and fat or no keyboard and slim.
what should I choose? i don't use the keyboard that much, but hey, it is there waiting for me and it is alot faster typing with the keyboard, but on the other hand, slim is nice too..
what would you have choosen?

Kaiser can do a lot more that the oter phones.
But all of them have 1 problem. VIDEO DRIVERS

Why would you buy from HTC again after this latest debacle? Look at the new imates or the Eten phones.

Blowfish64 said:
Why would you buy from HTC again after this latest debacle? Look at the new imates or the Eten phones.
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first of all we don't have eten or Imates in sweden (as far as I know), second I would like to have the Iphone, which is also not availible in sweden, third, my company has settled for htc as their product of choice. I am aware of the driver problems, but not sure how that inflect with a business phone as kaiser for example.
cause this affects 3d and video performance which is not my first priority (although it certainly is nice to watch videos and play some games once in a while)

Blowfish64 said:
Why would you buy from HTC again after this latest debacle? Look at the new imates or the Eten phones.
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Somebody tell me if I'm wrong here but aren't iMates just re-branded HTC units?? AFIAK...
The only thing they change is the start-up screen and a few app's!!
In fact, the last ROM update I had from them for my iMate JasJam (Wizard) still had the HTC boot screen on it.

HTC Diamond is good BUT Htc Raphael 100 aka Htc Vario IV is even better

Htc diamond is pretty impressive with its 3D touch flo,etc etc however Htc is also about to release the Htc Raphael aka T-Mobile Vario IV which had all the features of Htc diamond PLUS a lot of extras eg...
Sliding qwerty keyboard like Tytn II
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
Double the RAM from 128mb to 256mb
Micro sd card slot(diamond has none)
Cpu clock speed from 400mhz to 528mhz, etc
Details are as below
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1320&view=1
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1306&view=1
Needless to say if u had not committed to buy the diamond yet hold your horses for about 1 month later approximately u can have better value for money in buying the htc raphael instead.
The only con is that the raphael is slightly heavier at 160gm instead of 110gm for diamond

Sliding qwerty keyboard like Tytn II <-- yes
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb <-- yes
Double the RAM from 128mb to 256mb <-- diamond has 192mb ram
Micro sd card slot(diamond has none) <-- yes, but no built in 4GB
Cpu clock speed from 400mhz to 528mhz <-- Use same core platform, CPU speed and graphics etc are identical
You forgot
1340 mAh battery (vario) as opposed to the 900 mAh (diamond)
Vario is 17mm thick, Diamond is 11.3 mm thick
Really the BIGGEST plus for diamond is size, and that IS whats going to decide it for most people. There is a significant difference in the volume of the two phones. You will see many people who are more interested in a style phone to show of to their non WM using friends buying a diamond, and more hardcore WM fans buying the vario.
Anyway, everyone knew the Vario was on its way, pictures of both were leaked at the same time.
oh and expect the vario to cost more too.
PS wrong place for this topic.. there's already one about diamond vs raphael (aka vario) in the corect place: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396150

someone1234 said:
PS wrong place for this topic.. there's already one about diamond vs raphael (aka vario) in the corect place: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396150
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Not really!
The Raphael and Vario differs in specs and they are not the same.
Read the specs carefully on both of these!
The Vario has better specs!!
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
and the RAM from 128mb to 256mb
The ROM and RAM on Raphael is same as Diamond!
KOR!

Vario vs Diamond
The biggest 2 problems that I can see with the Vario are these... First of all, that sliding keyboard is great... but it has been confirmed that there is NO tilt such as seen on the tytn II!
The other biggest problem is the obvious measly 256 Ram. I know you COULD put a chip in, but be honest... 4gb internal memory is a much better option.
Bearing in mind that i recieve about 200 emails a DAY (IT manager!) the diamond just makes much more sense! I use a universal at the moment, and have pre-ordered the Diamond. That lack of tilit screen convinced me to wait for the "second Gen" versions of this series!
I already carry a "monster" around with me. but now i want something that is both stylish and practical. The diamond simply fits that bill! Smart enough to replace my Uni, and also enables me to do stuff like have email on the go, and super fast browsing and vid conferencing. AND i am getting fed up with people brandashing IPhones and wanting me buy one.. Coz its apple!

You also forgot to mention that this device has a tv-out!

this device?
which one? diamond definitely doesnt
so im guessing you meant raphael
thats a gimmick, ive got it on my athena, and in the box they give you vga out cable, not tv out. tv out costs 15 quid extra.
and i have never used it anyway
Rory

Yeah i mean the VARIO.
Go to a friends place, connect your phone to the tv with the tv out and play movies from your 8gb microsd card (or higher... just takes time.)
Go to work, put your presentation on your phone connect it to the beamer and give your presentation .
If these things are really possible, i'd definitely use the tv-out. I never had a phone with this so i dont know how easy to use it is though...

yeah everybody know, just like iphone 2.5->3G . they alway to limit their best technology to suck our pocket! how come a vga on 2.8" and 900mA battery... is today use,
just the UI

No not 256mb Ram but 288mb Ram
Read here and here and here
and it's 18.05 mm instead of 17mm

Alfredos said:
No not 256mb Ram but 288mb Ram
Read here and here and here
and it's 18.05 mm instead of 17mm
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and also here
regards

What about the Touch Pro? Or is that that HTC Raphael?

Yes, the HTC Touch Pro and the HTC Raphael are one and the same.
I currently own a HTC TyTN II and I want to switch to this phone too.
I've made a nice comparison table. I will now translate it to English (from Dutch) and then I will post it.

Someone from another (german) forum guessed that Diamond and Raphael are the same except keyboard and sd-slot. He found a setting in the registry about tv-out, too.
BTW: The Diamond has 528mhz, too.

King of Rapture™ said:
Not really!
The Raphael and Vario differs in specs and they are not the same.
Read the specs carefully on both of these!
The Vario has better specs!!
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
and the RAM from 128mb to 256mb
The ROM and RAM on Raphael is same as Diamond!
KOR!
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That is simply not true. The HTC Raphael (aka Touch Pro) is indentical in spec to the Vario. They are the SAME device just with a slightly different casing and of course the T-Mobile customised ROM.
The Vario IV and the Raphael will both have the same ROM/RAM capacities.

TV-Out
well, as we all know the raph. and the diam. seem to share the same hardware.
so, i was wondering if any of you guys already:
a) either know how the raph. accomplishes that? (extra cable like with iphone) - plugged into what? the usb?
and
b) if there´s any chance to get that working on the diamond too.
anybody able to enlighten me about that?

TarKin said:
well, as we all know the raph. and the diam. seem to share the same hardware.
so, i was wondering if any of you guys already:
a) either know how the raph. accomplishes that? (extra cable like with iphone) - plugged into what? the usb?
and
b) if there´s any chance to get that working on the diamond too.
anybody able to enlighten me about that?
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when at London Diamond launch I seem to remember the Diamond linked live to a video wall unsure if this is only on development platform of the phone, the VGA of this HTC res makes this a more interesting project

someone1234 said:
You will see many people who are more interested in a style phone to show of to their non WM using friends buying a diamond, and more hardcore WM fans buying the vario.
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Not necessarily. Some hardcore WM fans would undoubedly want to make WM seem more stylish, so it becomes more popular and therefore more rapidly, and better, developed.
TarKin said:
well, as we all know the raph. and the diam. seem to share the same hardware.
so, i was wondering if any of you guys already:
a) either know how the raph. accomplishes that? (extra cable like with iphone) - plugged into what? the usb?
and
b) if there´s any chance to get that working on the diamond too.
anybody able to enlighten me about that?
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The HTC specs page seems to imply that the TV Out is through their 'HTC ExtUSB™', which the Diamond has. So, therefore, with the right cable and software, you might be able to get TV Out on the Diamond. However, it probably requires special drivers and stuff that will never be made compatible with the Diamond (otherwise HTC would have put that feature on the Diamond too).

and this is in the diamond rom development because????

RobbinM said:
Yes, the HTC Touch Pro and the HTC Raphael are one and the same.
I currently own a HTC TyTN II and I want to switch to this phone too.
I've made a nice comparison table. I will now translate it to English (from Dutch) and then I will post it.
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Waiting

Dark Fire said:
The HTC specs page seems to imply that the TV Out is through their 'HTC ExtUSB™', which the Diamond has. So, therefore, with the right cable and software, you might be able to get TV Out on the Diamond. However, it probably requires special drivers and stuff that will never be made compatible with the Diamond (otherwise HTC would have put that feature on the Diamond too).
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You are right in that the connector is the same externally, however internally they are slightly different, and that a few additional discrete passive components are required to enable TV Out.
It is unlikely that these are fitted as default. One thing is clear however that the Qualcomm chip used does support TV out, so if the main PCB tracking is common between the two devices, then there is a possibility that the tracking is already in place for the diamond!
Well what does this mean, well it means that there is a chance is could be made to work on the diamond, but I wouldn’t hold your breath!

Raphael HTC Touch Pro (TYTN III) is out

Its out!!!!
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518
http://www.htc.com/WWW/press.aspx?id=50016&lang=1033

Seems like a HTC Diamond with a Qwerty keyboard added
And the angle of the display doesn't seem to be adaptable
But screw HTC... Hope someone else will get the right video drivers working for the TyTN2,
however my upcoming phones won't be from HTC anymore

this one looks nice, but tytn II also was looking good. and what we got now? just some barely average phone. we will need to think before we buy tytn III.
however, i like the screen being on top and VGA resolution. i don't like diamond style buttons, i prefer real hardware buttons.

Geo_Ros said:
Seems like a HTC Diamond with a Qwerty keyboard added
And the angle of the display doesn't seem to be adaptable
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thats exactly what it is!

One thing that i hated about the diamond theyve fixed in the Touch Pro (well 2 things actually) .. ok 3 things!
- SDHC SLOT!!!!
- Hardward Keyboard
- Light on the camera! Missed that so much ..
Although i'm not liking the look of the joystick, need to test one to see how it feels
And the lack of hardware buttons on the front and side is a bit of a downer! but oh well
If this comes out on orange when my contract ends i'll blag a free one hopefully!

Is there a picture of a phone there somewhere?
Does anybody at their marketing dept know how to take a photograph properly? All those shadows and black make it about as clear as their policy regarding video drivers on the TyTN II. A classic example of attempting style at the expense of practicality as far as I can tell. Are people only getting half a phone when they buy one of these?

Only 2,8" screen? Damn. They could make touch pro with 3" screen.
Question is.... is there same bug still what is in older 2,8" screens?
Using screen in game slows down device awful much
And no tilt! Well my htc kaiser stays special
Still waiting for Sony Ericsson Xperia!

Moskiitto said:
And no tilt! Well my htc kaiser stays special
Still waiting for Sony Ericsson Xperia!
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Your kaiser will stay special even then because Xperia too doesn't have a tilt mechanism.

kdskamal said:
Your kaiser will stay special even then because Xperia too doesn't have a tilt mechanism.
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Aaaaaahhhhh, but the Xperia does have an arced screen which slides in an upward motion, not quite the tilt but better than flat.
I still prefer my TyTN II though.

wow!
I love it!
this will be my next device!
now we (we Europeans that is) have to wait for Fall to arrive

do we know what carriers this will be on yet?

bluemamba said:
Its out!!!!
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518
http://www.htc.com/WWW/press.aspx?id=50016&lang=1033
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Looks like a rip off of the SE Xperia ... but rumor has it that HTC is the OEM for the Xperia ....
I'll be getting the Xperia instead of this unit .... similar specs but Xperia has a better keyboard.
The Tilt/Kaiser 'film' keyboard is an abomination ....
my .02 cents

NikonMan said:
Looks like a rip off of the SE Xperia ... but rumor has it that HTC is the OEM for the Xperia ....
I'll be getting the Xperia instead of this unit .... similar specs but Xperia has a better keyboard.
The Tilt/Kaiser 'film' keyboard is an abomination ....
my .02 cents
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How on god's green earth can a phone which is cosmetically near-identical to the Touch Diamond, and descended from long line of HTC Tytn-like keyboard devices, possibly be termed "a rip off of the SE Xperia"?
Particularly when this phone is almost certain to be out before the Xperia?

hi guys,
i have the kaiser, the raphael looks cool but IMHO it doesn't worth the switch,
- the display size is the same but with double resolution
- it seems that HTC have developed only some API to make manila run smooth, in that case the 2D will suck like in the kaiser
I will wait .... I was a Kaiser early adopter ... HTC will not fool me again .....
bye bye

That definitely is not going to replace my tytn II

i would buy one to replace my Tilt if the screen were a bit bigger. VGA is great, but at 2.8 it really won't matter. (for me anyway)

not impressed with no tilt action will not be getting this

Geo_Ros said:
Seems like a HTC Diamond with a Qwerty keyboard added
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not exacly, look at specifications:
Diamond:
ROM: 256 MB
RAM: 192 MB DDR SDRAM
Internal storage: 4 GB
Touch Pro:
ROM: 512 MB
RAM: 288MB
Battery:
Diamond:
Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 900 mAh
Touch Pro:
Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 1340 mAh
Touch Pro have microSD espansion slot too.

Lorbas said:
not exacly, look at specifications:
Diamond:
ROM: 256 MB
RAM: 192 MB DDR SDRAM
Internal storage: 4 GB
Touch Pro:
ROM: 512 MB
RAM: 288MB
Battery:
Diamond:
Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 900 mAh
Touch Pro:
Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 1340 mAh
Touch Pro have microSD espansion slot too.
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and don't forget the FM radio with RDS!! (that could be nice with TMC )

No GSM 850mzh again?!
Damn it, is HTC really don't care the market in NA?

SE Xperia X1 or Samsung Omnia???

Dont know if you guys seen/heard of this device as yet, but here are some specs.
My friend jus bought the Omnia and he's tryin to convince me to get one too. While im tryin to prove to him that he made a wrong choice.
Omnia Specs;
56.9x112x12.5mm, 122g, Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional , 32bit Marvell PXA320, 128MiB RAM, 16000MiB ROM, 3.2" 400x240 color transflective TFT display, video out, Proprietary audio jack, GSM850/GSM900/GSM1800/GSM1900/UMTS2100, CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, microSD/microSDHC/TransFlash/SDIO, Proprietary port, Bluetooth, WLAN, GPS, A-GPS, Geotagging, FM radio, accelerometer, 4.9MP camera, AF, flash, secondary camera, 1440mAh removable battery
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1328

It depends on your requirements. Omnia and X1 play in different device classes because the X1 has a slide out keyboard and the Omnia don't. Normally a slide out keyboard has some disadvantages when it comes to device size and weight so people who buy a device with a slide out keyboard usually really want and need it.
Because of this I think these devices do not really match for competition.
Compare the Omnia with the Touch Diamond or the brand new Touch HD.
Compare the X1 with the Touch Pro. (I'd choose the X1 )
Why do you think that your mate made the wrong choice?
P.S.: I've never heard "St Kitts and Nevis" before so I looked it up. This might be one of the smallest countries I've ever seen.

hmm i think you should open this thread again once Touch HD hits the market in the next 2 month

The Omnia is an awesome device, best in the market (today as the X1 hasn't reached UK retail yet). But it does have one (and only 1) Killer Problem.
Wifi
It's wifi performance is terrable and thats why mine is going back.

foo said:
It depends on your requirements. Omnia and X1 play in different device classes because the X1 has a slide out keyboard and the Omnia don't. Normally a slide out keyboard has some disadvantages when it comes to device size and weight so people who buy a device with a slide out keyboard usually really want and need it.
Because of this I think these devices do not really match for competition.
Compare the Omnia with the Touch Diamond or the brand new Touch HD.
Compare the X1 with the Touch Pro. (I'd choose the X1 )
Why do you think that your mate made the wrong choice?
P.S.: I've never heard "St Kitts and Nevis" before so I looked it up. This might be one of the smallest countries I've ever seen.
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Yeh, i know, thats where i was born. I grew up on another small island next to it...St Eustatius. But now livin in the Netherlands.

If Keyboard is critical then look for Xperia or Touch Pro
If Keyboard is optional then compare
If display is critical.
Xperia 800x480 100000 pixels per sq inch, 311 dpi very sharp even small fonts are readable.(web pages)
Omnia 400x240 20000 pixels per sq inch, 146 dpi larger screen not as sharp small fonts har to read. (web pages)
Omnia accelerometer, 5 mp camera,
Xperia standard 3.5 audio jack

Omnia 240 x 400

Rudegar said:
Omnia 240 x 400
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Thanks,

The choice
My friend,today i change the xperya,i have omnia,i tested xperia is not ok....omnia is great phone....same tests on this phone is okokok.....its still working,xperia is nice for design,soryy for my inglesi....

NO front camera!?

I have htc touch diamond 2 but its look different because there is no front(little) camera ...whats that mean, its that a bad fake or maybe older model or something else?
thanks people

djolebl said:
I have htc touch diamond 2 but its look different because there is no front(little) camera ...whats that mean, its that a bad fake or maybe older model or something else?
thanks people
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this thread is for Touch Diamond DIAMx00
but, i think that is FAKE phone, so you don't want to flash it with custom ROM(may brick that brick)

My Diamonds (aka Dopod S900) are without front cam as well and neither WiFi nor 3G ...
This is the only "official" version of the Diamond you can get in some parts of the world ... still works fine with the custom-ROMs, though.