Hi. I've two G1s. One with Haykuro SPL and one another with the default one. Both of them are running Dwang 1.11.
What's the advantage of the Haykuro SPL over the default one? Just the possibility of installing Hero (or completely different) firmwares or is it also a matter of speed? I've read it repartitions the internal phone memory, but somewhere I've also read it may also speed up the phone. Is it still true or has it been outdated by the apps2sd roms?
Thank you
draga said:
Hi. I've two G1s. One with Haykuro SPL and one another with the default one. Both of them are running Dwang 1.11.
What's the advantage of the Haykuro SPL over the default one? Just the possibility of installing Hero (or completely different) firmwares or is it also a matter of speed? I've read it repartitions the internal phone memory, but somewhere I've also read it may also speed up the phone. Is it still true or has it been outdated by the apps2sd roms?
Thank you
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Haykuro's "danger spl" just unlocks more memory for the roms
Ex. JF 1.5 on normal spl= 54mb
JF 1.5 on danger spl= 90mb
No advantage at all.. it just moves things around meaning larger roms can be flashed without moving data around. If it had never existed, we'd just be moving the files manually.. all it does is save us a bit of time.
I believe it removes the partition for OTA updates, then increases the size of /system and /data to fill the space. Other than being able to more ROMs (mainly HTC based) it has Fastboot which can be very useful, which the stock SPL doesn't have.
Fail andrian
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Fail andrian
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lmao i hope your talking about his grammar cause hes right
@OP the supposed speed increase is just related to the data partition being bigger...dont think that the speed increase will have any effect on everyday use.
Nope, andrian just fails. He doesn't eat meat
don kiedic said:
Nope, andrian just fails. He doesn't eat meat
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i dont eitherrrrr
Well that explains why you are up all hours of the night and day b-man
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I use hard spl. But some roms are for death spl. Any advantage. To using it?
as far as i know, it is the spl from the magic/sapphire and it frees up more space in /system and /data and i would assume takes some from /cache.
since it clears up more space in /system it allows you store more stuff in there which is what the hero roms do.
the advantage is more space in /system and /data
according to your sig you have the danger spl which is the 1.33.2005 spl, i am confused
Thanks. Can you point me to more info. Id like to try it.
ahronzombi said:
Thanks. Can you point me to more info. Id like to try it.
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you still confuse me with your sig, boot your phone up with camera and power and tell me what is displayed there for the numbers above radio.
ahronzombi said:
Thanks. Can you point me to more info. Id like to try it.
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Search some please. This SPL can brick your phone and some top notches around here have even bricked their brand new phones after getting a replacement because they have just bricked their last phone.
Besides, I think most hero roms use apps2sd so you don't need the death/danger SPL. (off the top of my head)
My advice is to only flash the "Danger SPL" if you intend on trying Hero.
Otherwise just use Hard SPL.
You can use the link in my signature if you wish to proceed.
However you will not be able to flash any nandroid system.img backups on top of that SPL which means that once you flash that SPL you need to start with a wipe and a fresh ROM. You can always flash your userdata with fastboot afterwards to restore your data.
Things you may want to get before starting:
Latest radio (MUST!)
Cyanogen's 1.4 Recovery
Full ROM update (ie Cyanogen's 4.0.4 rom)
Partition your class 6 (suggested) sdcard to FAT32/EXT3/Linux-Swap (type 1) for HERO roms.
Yes it's a lot of work for a noob but it's worth it as long as you don't brick your phone (high risk if you don't follow instructions).
southsko said:
Search some please. This SPL can brick your phone and some top notches around here have even bricked their brand new phones after getting a replacement because they have just bricked their last phone.
Besides, I think most hero roms use apps2sd so you don't need the death/danger SPL. (off the top of my head)
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You're incorrect, the hero app and app_s folder are on the SD but the system remains in NAND. The Hero system is too large to fit with Hard or Eng SPL and the Haykuro SPL is a necessity.
If you wish to experience a Hero build without using the death spl, you can use the one of the Micro Hero builds at
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=561179
Will Android 2.0 eclair fit on the g1 board? or will it be like the hero builds and need Haykuro SPL?
Or does no one knows until the source is released?
Also if it doesnt fit wouldnt that mean that all new android build to come will not fit on the g1 leaving it in the stone age? unless using Haykuro SPL or some other means to shrink the /system and /app
i think g1 will get 2.0 whenits released by a ota but then again only time can tell
xile6 said:
Will Android 2.0 eclair fit on the g1 board? or will it be like the hero builds and need Haykuro SPL?
Or does no one knows until the source is released?
Also if it doesnt fit wouldnt that mean that all new android build to come will not fit on the g1 leaving it in the stone age? unless using Haykuro SPL or some other means to shrink the /system and /app
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We honestly don't know if it's going to be pushed out OTA. I reckon a slightly watered down version will be released.
Once the source comes out we'll be able to cook up some 2.0 ROMs, but as with OTA some things will probably have to be left out.
SPL really doesn't come in to it, as 1.33.2005 with extra space in /system and /data isn't available to unrooted users. Tmo is hardly going to tell it's users to root and flash the SPL, or issue an SPL update OTA as all the users data will be wiped. Also, I believe 1.33.2005 adds extra space to /system and /data by removing a partition required for OTA updates, not 100% on that though.
AdrianK said:
We honestly don't know if it's going to be pushed out OTA. I reckon a slightly watered down version will be released.
Once the source comes out we'll be able to cook up some 2.0 ROMs, but as with OTA some things will probably have to be left out.
SPL really doesn't come in to it, as 1.33.2005 with extra space in /system and /data isn't available to unrooted users. Tmo is hardly going to tell it's users to root and flash the SPL, or issue an SPL update OTA as all the users data will be wiped. Also, I believe 1.33.2005 adds extra space to /system and /data by removing a partition required for OTA updates, not 100% on that though.
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Is that why roms need the spl? For extra space? I havent done much HW on spl but is it also needed to use foreign roms for compat and stuff?
Ace42 said:
Is that why roms need the spl? For extra space? I havent done much HW on spl but is it also needed to use foreign roms for compat and stuff?
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Nope the 'Special' SPL repartitions the internal memory of the G1 allowing for larger ROMs such as the Hero has to be ported on to the G1.
Space will be a major issue for 2.0. 1.6 was a almost filling up the system partition.
However there are reports that the G1 in europe will get 2.0 when its released, this supposed has been stated by Tmobile however all the sources that Ive found that report on this are in a foreign language and nothing points back to any sort of post on Tmobile offical site.
The android mods on the tmo forums also states that the G1 will get 2.0 but I dont know if he was refering to a cooked ROM or an offical release.
How much space does the spl give? I was messing around with a my touch @ tmobile and they got like 250mb free. Also I know that when you install the spl you do radio then spl right? (Its late n I'm a lil sleepy so could be wrong) but let say don't want the new spl can u revert back to hard/eng spl and radio without bricking
Yes you can revert
the .2005 gives /system and /data 90mb of space
radio first, then confirm it flashed, then flash spl
why do the eclair and hero roms require it?
and what is an spl exactly? from my understanding it's similar to a bios on a pc?
Hakykuro SPL is the SPL from the ,agic with some hex edits and other things by Haykuro himself. It reallocates the data partition of the phone from 45MB-->90MB which allows larger roms like hero to be installed. This is dangerous because it can brick phones since it wasnt made for us to use. The data partition was 45 because the rest was used by the OTA thing from tmo that reserved that space, but OTA is useless for rooted devices so the SPL allows heros to be born!
-Best regards Ace
Ace42 said:
Hakykuro SPL is the SPL from the ,agic with some hex edits and other things by Haykuro himself. It reallocates the data partition of the phone from 45MB-->90MB which allows larger roms like hero to be installed. This is dangerous because it can brick phones since it wasnt made for us to use. The data partition was 45 because the rest was used by the OTA thing from tmo that reserved that space, but OTA is useless for rooted devices so the SPL allows heros to be born!
-Best regards Ace
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^ 100% right, this. It's a dirty little hack to give us the room to dev, and it's dangerous, but man, it has allowed for some amazing stuff.
so why is it risky? what causes the potential for bricking?
gonintendo said:
so why is it risky? what causes the potential for bricking?
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If you don't have the right radio it WILL brick your phone
Just make sure you flash the correct radio, reboot
Flash the SPL, reboot
and the majority of the time you are fine
There has been people who claim they were on the correct radio version and still ended up with a brick, hence it being dubbed "The Danger SPL" cause anything can happen
gonintendo said:
why do the eclair and hero roms require it?
and what is an spl exactly? from my understanding it's similar to a bios on a pc?
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sorry to say but if your asking this then you should probably not even consider it. just being honest.
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sorry to say but if your asking this then you should probably not even consider it. just being honest.
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lol, actually I have been using danger and running hero roms for about a month. so far so good!
so once you have flashed, is there any danger? and I assume that you wouldn't want to do an ota update (not that I would) after flashing this spl? can you flash a stock rom the old fashioned way w/o trouble? (I would imagine yes?)
gonintendo said:
so once you have flashed, is there any danger? and I assume that you wouldn't want to do an ota update (not that I would) after flashing this spl? can you flash a stock rom the old fashioned way w/o trouble? (I would imagine yes?)
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You would flash one of enom's base roms that are OTA's with root access.
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You would flash one of enom's base roms that are OTA's with root access.
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ok that's what I thought. thanks.
Is there anyone out there that uses the Danger SPL with Cyanogen ROM?
If so, ran into any problems? Also, would this be needed for an Eclair CM build?
Seems like every Eclair build requires it.
Only reason why I'm wondering is because I think it would solve some problems on the device. Seeing how I have an added theme to the mix and the file sizes probably differ than what was once stock...
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Is there anyone out there that uses the Danger SPL with Cyanogen ROM?
If so, ran into any problems? Also, would this be needed for an Eclair CM build?
Seems like every Eclair build requires it.
Only reason why I'm wondering is because I think it would solve some problems on the device. Seeing how I have an added theme to the mix and the file sizes probably differ than what was once stock...
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I used cyanogen the other day. The only problem is having more room for everything, but I see that as a plus. It probably would need the Haykuro spl, yes.
im running super"D" 1.5.1 with nexus launcher
so what roms dont require a special spl
Nowadays the new ROM's that are coming need the special SPL's like the Danger SPL.
Basically SPL's make it so that bigger ROM's can be flashed onto your phone. If you find a big ROM (by big I mean size) like a 40+ MB ROM you might need a better SPL.
All of them tell you if you need the special SPL or not. Do your own research.
As long as you have a brain in your skull, there is NOT A SINGLE ROM that requires any particular SPL.
Over all others, I STRONGLY recommend the ADP1 stock SPL 0.95.3000.
Macrophage001 said:
Nowadays the new ROM's that are coming need the special SPL's like the Danger SPL.
Basically SPL's make it so that bigger ROM's can be flashed onto your phone. If you find a big ROM (by big I mean size) like a 40+ MB ROM you might need a better SPL.
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There is only one SPL that modifies the partition sizes making it so a larger ROM can be flashed to the G1. That is known as the Danger/Death SPL. The other available SPL's all provide the same sizes.
SPL = Secondary Program Loader.
Also, it takes a ROM that is over ~69MB (on the system partition anyways) to fill the space allocated by the stock G1 partition layout.
daveid said:
There is only one SPL that modifies the partition sizes making it so a larger ROM can be flashed to the G1. That is known as the Danger/Death SPL. The other available SPL's all provide the same sizes.
SPL = Secondary Program Loader.
Also, it takes a ROM that is over ~69MB (on the system partition anyways) to fill the space allocated by the stock G1 partition layout.
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K thanks for explaining it. I wasnt too sure about the specifics
I'm running CyanogenMod, with Apps2SD and 512 Swap space.
What setup are you running? Any Rom that sticks out more than others?
Try Super D and Kings ASOP Eclair. That there is a whole lot of swap space buddy.
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Try Super D and Kings ASOP Eclair. Thats there is a whole lot of swap space buddy.
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i really hope he means 512 for his ext partition...
Yeah, that's pure swap space. Is there a downfall for using so much?
I don't think a large swap space will hinder performance, just a waste of memory card. Your phone will most likely never use that much swap but if you're not hurting for fat32 or ext2/3/4 space then you're probably fine.
I was a long-time Cyanogen user and although I like his roms, ever since I switched to SuperD a couple months ago I've had maybe 2 force closes and speed is crazy fast with no swap at all. Try SuperD w/ WG Kernel. Stable and fast. Link in my sig.
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I don't think a large swap space will hinder performance, just a waste of memory card. Your phone will most likely never use that much swap but if you're not hurting for fat32 or ext2/3/4 space then you're probably fine.
I was a long-time Cyanogen user and although I like his roms, ever since I switched to SuperD a couple months ago I've had maybe 2 force closes and speed is crazy fast with no swap at all. Try SuperD w/ WG Kernel. Stable and fast. Link in my sig.
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Thanks, sounds good. What's DeathSPL do? Also, if I have a ROM already installed, how do I go about changing to a different one?
I just changed from cyanogen last night. most likely you'll need Danger/Death SPL, unless you've already done it. HERE
might as well upgrade to the newest radio, as most people notice a gain in signal, and battery. I noticed a significant gain in signal, and the battery gain, im believing is from both SuperD and the new radio. New Radio is HERE
Follow the links and read up on them a little bit.
Coming from cyanogen, what I did was flash new radio, then flash dangerSPL, then flash the ROM.
JamesBlack said:
Thanks, sounds good. What's DeathSPL do? Also, if I have a ROM already installed, how do I go about changing to a different one?
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DeathSPL changes the partitions around so that ROMs have more space to occupy. Any radio version 26I and later are compatible, any radio version before 26I is incompatible and will brick your phone.
Once you have your radio and SPL installed, switching between ROMs is as easy as wiping and installing the ROM only. There is even a script to backup and restore multiple ROMs if that's your thing.
MotoMudder77 said:
I just changed from cyanogen last night. most likely you'll need Danger/Death SPL, unless you've already done it. HERE
might as well upgrade to the newest radio, as most people notice a gain in signal, and battery. I noticed a significant gain in signal, and the battery gain, im believing is from both SuperD and the new radio. New Radio is HERE
Follow the links and read up on them a little bit.
Coming from cyanogen, what I did was flash new radio, then flash dangerSPL, then flash the ROM.
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Will I have to repartition my SD card, reinstall app2sd and swap space if I do all that?
I didn't have to do any of that. I did back up all my apps and messages, because I did a full wipe. But I didn't have to restore my apps, just my messages.
Again as stated in my sig, I am a noob, so might be better off for a pros comment.
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I didn't have to do any of that. I did back up all my apps and messages, because I did a full wipe. But I didn't have to restore my apps, just my messages.
Again as stated in my sig, I am a noob, so might be better off for a pros comment.
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I already installed the new radio and SPL with what you told me, and it worked! You're a big help to me, thanks man.
EDIT: Fully running Super SD, Danger SPL and the new radio update!
JamesBlack said:
I already installed the new radio and SPL with what you told me, and it worked! You're a big help to me, thanks man.
EDIT: Fully running Super SD, Danger SPL and the new radio update!
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congrats, now try some of those fancy heros and eclairs
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congrats, now try some of those fancy heros and eclairs
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Recommend any?
If I install Eclairs, they remove Super D right?
Yes. You can only have one rom installed at a time. Every Eclair and Hero rom I have flashed have been unstable, sluggish, and/or incomplete. Donut is the way to go unless you want to experiment with your G1. SuperD w/ WG's kernel is my favorite so far of the Donut roms. It seems to be the fastest while still having close to zero force closes. Links in my sig.
Do a search for "switchrom.sh" if you want to have several hot-swappable roms at your disposal. Make sure you have room on your SD card if you want to use this.
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Do a search for "switchrom.sh" if you want to have several hot-swappable roms at your disposal. Make sure you have room on your SD card if you want to use this.
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What's that mod you have in your sig for the G1 do?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637419
Easy to install?
JamesBlack said:
What's that mod you have in your sig for the G1 do?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637419
Easy to install?
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Not 100% on the details, this is just what I understand.
JIT is a new Dalvik compiler. It's somewhat experimental, but I've had zero problems in the couple weeks I've had it installed. It improves raw performance by about 25% or so, I noticed about a 10% gain when launching/switching apps and stuff.
It's reversible, so no harm in trying it, I'd say.
Is it normal for my memory space to go down if I have my phone on for days?
When I go to a task killer, it says I only have 47mbs free after I kill all my tasks. When I first started up my phone, it said I had like 60 or whatever.
Does Super D support apps2sd?
JamesBlack said:
Is it normal for my memory space to go down if I have my phone on for days?
When I go to a task killer, it says I only have 47mbs free after I kill all my tasks. When I first started up my phone, it said I had like 60 or whatever.
Does Super D support apps2sd?
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Very normal. To free up the rest you'd probably have to delete the cache that's still on the phone which is typically browser, market, maybe some others.
Yes, SuperD supports apps2sd. a2sd script automatically runs so you don't need to enable it manually.