hi there guys.is it possible to get the XDA2's on the 3G network.A family member want smy old PDA but is on the 3 Network! Need to no if there is a flash,Rom, ect...
Thanks layton
Now theres's 'Three' the mobile operator and theres '3G' the technology.
As I understand it, Three's SIM's can be a pain so it's best to just put the SIM in and see, if you can.
I'm quite sure that you can't get 3G on a BA though, regardless of operator or ROM, quite simply because the BA doesn't have the hardware for it.
About the SIM card: 3UK Sim cards are supposed to only work in 3G phones (different type of SIM card). There are some older 3UK Sims that do work in a 2G phone such as the BA. But 3 will be able to find this out an either send you a replacement Sim, or terminate your contract and make you pay the remainder - you broke their T&Cs.
Network: If you have a 3 SIM that works in your BA, you will not actually be using the 3UK network. You will be roaming onto O2 (or Orange from Jan 2007) permanently. The BA is not a 3G device.
yes i understad that the 3g simcards dont work on 2g phones.but u can get a phone which is on 02,orange...for examplea nokia n70.if the phone is on o2 u can flash with 3G software and will work on three.i was just wondering if it might be possible.this is also possible on sony ericcsson 2g phones.i have the phones to prove it.
You can ONLY use 3G services if your device supports 3G. The Nokia N70 DOES. The BlueAngel DOES NOT.
You don't have to flash the phone with the Network Ops variant, just enter the network settings and it will work that way.
I understand that currently the Diamond does not support 3g data in the USA. There are rumors that the Diamond will eventually release in the US on the GSM network sometime after the CDMA release. Seeing as HTC already proved that sometimes they can enable frequencies with just a radio rom update, do you think the current Diamond will someday be able to support 3g in the USA?
I sold my Tilt a few weeks ago and got myself an Iphone. I am starting to hate the Iphone and really would like to go back to a WM device. But the Tilt is not an option and the only phone that looks worth the jump is the Diamond. But I do not want to buy a phone that will never be able to support 3g. Edge is just too slow, and with AT&T you pay the same data rate for an Edge or a 3G phone.
I have done plenty of searches and can't seem to find any conclusive answers. Maybe there isn't one.
Thanks for any suggestions you may have. Please don't turn this into an iphone bashing thread. The iphone has many good qualities, it just does not suit my needs as I thought it would.
Jeff
no you must wait for the local diamond release. they are hardware specific.
Well that just sucks. I guess I will have no choice but to wait for the Diamond or the Xperia to invade our borders.
its does suck, i have a Diamond from Asia and i cant use the 850Mhz 3G Telstra network.... lucky for the 3Telstra joint venture network!
I thought that was one of the benefits of the new 1.93 ROM, it utilizes 850Mhz, no?
Mark
thats only GMS band and is also only sim card specific. i have the 1.93 rom and a telstra next g sim and i only get UMTS (900-2100) + GSM (900+1800) bands...
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no you must wait for the local diamond release. they are hardware specific.
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Thats just a bummer. Guess it's edge for me, unless something miraculously happens
Can anyone explain exactly what it will take for HSDPA in the US?
Hi -
Similar to the original poster, I have been watching with anticipation the development of the Diamond and the XDA cookers' work on unlocking its capabilites. I too am confused, with many conflicting posts about the ability to do HSPDA in the US. Can anyone explain exactly what it will take? Based on my understanding:
1.) Ability to transmit and recieve on the radio frequency used by the telco / phone company for UMTS service (Universal Mobile Telecommunications System). For AT&T, I thought this frequency was 850 mhz. Based on peoples' reports and some testing done, it seems like the Diamond can be unlocked through a ROM flash to broadcast and recieve on 850 mhz. So far, so good.
2.) Ability to use the UMTS service
My reading of Wikipedia seems to say that UMTS is a "technology" -
This is different from a "standard" like GSM,which is an integrated system of hardware (radio transmitters and towers), an "air interface" (a set of protocols to handle packet transfers, analogous to TCP/IP on the Internet, only using radio waves rather than wires), an "infrastructure" (base station sub-system and GPRS (packet) subsystem - towers and the computers and routers that connect them) and connection software (validating users, tracking usage, billing, transmission control codecs, etc.). UMTS is a collection of transmission control codecs and user identification codecs operating within a GSM network. So, UMTS is a phrase that describes improvements to the old, 2G GSM protocols. But it is still GSM.
AT&T in the US is using WCDMA as the "air interface" over which it is running its UMTS service. It is using the 850 mhz frequency. One key difference between GSM and UMTS is that UMTS uses a "Universal Subscriber Identification Modue" (USIM) rather than a plain old Subscriber Identificaton modue (SIM). If AT&T's UMTS service requires a USIM, then having only a SIM will prevent you from accessing the UMTS service - you will only be able to access the data service offered by the GSM, which is EDGE in the US, not WCDMA (i.e., only 2G). This is regardless of hardware. If this is the case, then it's a bummer.
HOWEVER....the UMTS service CAN use SIM cards as well, so AT&T may have theirs configured to use SIM cards as well. I currently have the HTC Trinity with what I think is a SIM card - I was forced to "upgrade" the SIM card when Cingular "integrated" with AT&T, so my card is branded Cingular, but has the snazzy 3G fireball on it. So maybe it's actually a USIM? My Trinity does have the "H" icon show up, and I can get 300kbps or so tethering to my laptop (but not above that - grrrr...) so maybe I'm getting UMTS service on that device? If so, then the SIM vs USIM should not be an issue if I got a Diamond.
3.) Ability to use the HSPDA protocol
As far as I can tell, HSPDA is pure protocol - just like TCP/IP. It achieves faster speeds by using fast packet scheduling and something called adaptive modualtion and coding. It is part of the UMTS standards, so it's actually part fo the overall UMTS system, but not everyone uses it. If your phone and your carrier can use this protocol, you can get HSPDA.
Based on the above, it seems reasonable that the Diamond is capable of transmitting at HSPDA speeds in the US on AT&T's network. Has anyone been able to actually do this? If not, could those much more informed than me explain the obstacle? Is it a setting on AT&T's side? A setting on the Diamond? Is the radio hardware for UMTS somehow different? Does the Diamond lack WCDMA capability due to lack of software?
I understand that some people have tried selecting the band on their ROM-flashed phone to get 3G on AT&T with no success, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. I'm trying to understand the eaxt nature of the obstacle.
Thanks!!!
Mike
I can't speak for all the technical hardware specs possibilities. But here's the latest status as i understand it:
1. There are at least 2 GSM-based Diamond versions available now: DIAM100 and DIAM130. The DIAM100 is the original one that went on sale. The DIAM130 seems to be the new Telstra Diamond that does support 850 3G.
2. There are lots of radio ROMs out available now. Some unlock 850 GSM for the DIAM100, which was previously thought impossible due to lacking of an 850 radio antenna. But that was a lie obviously. No Radio ROMs are currently avail that have successfully unlocked 850 3G. And since the DIAM130 is the only one working on 850 3G (using a radio ROM that is available for the DIAM100 even), the prevailing thought is it is actually a HW limitation on the DIAM100. I.e. it cannot do 850 3G no matter the radio ROM. (Note that OS ROMs have no effect on the radios ability. However, they might unlock the availability of the frequency selection in the Phone Settings window on WM. Note also that simply the existence of a selection in that window does NOT mean it physically can do that frequency.
3. No radio ROM thus far has made any iteration of the Diamond capable of doing 1700 anything, which is what TMo US would need for its 3G network. So, if a TMo US one is to become available, it would be yet another HW version.
#2 and #3 are still just theory, but pretty solid ones at this point.
So, my question is re: the DIAM130. What other 3G bands is it capable of. Only 850? Is it still quad-band GSM capable? If its flashed with other Radio ROMs, does it still maintain the same capabilities? I'd consider getting one if possible and using it here on AT&T if it is (or can be) quad band GSM and 850 3G. Esp if it still had 2100 3G, or even if it could be flashed when necessary to support 2100 3G when I travel. The lengths I've considered going to for this.
In any case, I lose more and more interest in this product each day. I'm inching closer to a hopeful AT&T Omnia, which too has drama surrounding it. And since I just got my g/f an iPhone 3G, I hate to admit, I'm heavily considering one as well now. What I might lose in flexibility, I think I would gain in having a solid device, that works worldwide 3G, and would keep everything I want in sync.
Sad really. I've been a WM-trooper for a decade now. 80% my music is in WMA format. For the stupidity of these dramas, WM may very well lose a devotee. (And as you can see from my willingness to import the phone and flash it whenever necessary, I'm not just giving up, I'm trying my best. but when the companies make it this hard, you gotta question if its worth it.)
Thanks Jomo!!!
Sounds like we're in the same boat. I won't get an iPone because part of my reason for having the phone is being able to tether to my laptop in an emergency. If the Diamond can't do it, I'll stick with my Trinity, which can. Really, I just want the better form factor...
One thing that has me confused is the whole radio thing. I'm no electrical engineer, but it seems like there are two components to the "radio" of the cellphone.
1.) The hardware - specific physical characteristics like the length of the antenna will determine the frequency you can use. I remember the old days of citizens band radios (that's CBs to those good buddies who saw Convoy <grin>) where you had to change physical crystals to get the right frequencies. Yes, apparently I'm old (geez, when did THAT happen???). I can also see the clock cycle of the radio's DSP determining how quickly the radio can handle packets.
2.) The software - herein lies all the nitty gritty details about protocols and the like - you need to have radio software that uses all of the hardware - like "turning on" the 850 band.
I guess the real questions for you gurus out there are
a.) how much of the UMTS protocol is programmed into the chip versus based on software (more software-based would support there being a software solution)? The chip used in the Diamonds is the Qualcomm 7201 chipset (at least the GSM ones do) which specifically lists UMTS as a capability, so it seems like the software just isn't using it right.
b.) do you need hardware components for each frequency of UMTS?
It just seems that going from GSM to UMTS is a matter of using different software, although you would have to have hardware capable of UMTS speeds. Ifthis is the case, then a hardware solution is possible. If it requires sepcial software to add into the existing software, we may be out of luck until one is created with the right stuff.
Ugh. My head hurts. Learning cellular radio through internet research is not easy. I suppose it would be easier if I were smarter <grin>
Mike
This may be old news, and still doesn't answer the querstion whether the current batch of Diamonds can be software / ROM updated to do US 3G, but at least there is a device that can - the product name DIAM110 (as opposed to the DIAM100 and DIAM130) has been submitted to the FCC a while back and definitely does do 850 UMTS.
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=5028
Good luck!
Mike
Excellent thread!
Very informative - thanks for doing the research and putting it all in one place! I too am somewhat confused as to the availability of 3G data access on AT&T - this thread has helped me understand some of the technologies involved and raised some interesting questions.
3.5G is backwards compatible with 3G
I just read in the wikipedia that 3.5g is backwards compatible with 3G tecnology, so i cant find the point in which Diamonds just CANT use regular 850 3G. Perhaps is just a little tweaking over the HW. But I believe it will be done sooner or later
DIAM100 with RTR6285?
Thanks for the informative post. I've been looking for the answer to this question long before I got my diamond. Here's what I've found so far. Hope it helps.
According to this page and this page, Diamond uses Qualcomm RTR6285 as its RF Transceiver. And based on the press release from Qualcomm,
The RTR6285 transceiver supports the following bands:
* North American triple-band UMTS (bands 2, 4, 5)
* Japanese triple-band UMTS (bands 1, 6, 9)
* European, Chinese and rest-of-world triple-band UMTS (bands 1, 3, 8)
* Global quadruple-band GSM and EDGE (800/900/1800/1900 MHz)
Note that "North American triple-band UMTS (bands 2, 4, 5)" means it supports 1900MHz, 1700MHz, and 850MHz
Here's the wiki page that lists the UMTS frequency bands
Many users on this forum mentioned that Diamond lacks 850MHz 3G support due to the hardware limitation, but that contradicts the RTR6285 press release. Can somebody please confirm that DIAM100 uses RTR6285?
Thanks,
Bruce
WOW!!! bruce0126 you just make my day!!!
Keep the dream alive people!
So if its the same Hardware then what is keeping the phone from working on UMTS 850 band?
The ROM is activated for the North American frequencies so its not a ROM issue.
Thats ODDDDDDD
could it be lack of antenna for those specific bands?
we need a techwiz!!
Ive seen the specs also and the radio hardware is supposed to recieve at 850mhz, perhaps the transmited has been " Programmed" in factory to forbid the use of this particular band. Of course im only guessing.
Any one has a good new about american 3G in our DIAM100 ??
Mods Can You Make This Thread Sticky?
I wnder wy the Mods havent dne this thread as sticky ;O
Sticky it please!
I bought the US version of the HTC Touch Diamond a couple of weeks ago. It works perfect in the US with 3G enabled on the ATT network.
However, I'm currently out of the country in Belgium and I can't get it to register onto the local GSM network. The phone finds multiple valid GSM networks.
I checked the GSM coverage maps and the networks are on the 900/1900 bands which this phone should be able to configure.
Here are the versions for my phone:
Radio 1.00.25.08
ROM 1.93.422.4 WWE
ROM date 08/13/2008
Protocol 52.33a.25.17W
Check with your service provider to see if roaming is permitted with your contract. They may be able to enable it for you if you ask them.
thanks, ill check with my service provider. under the bsnd tab i only see 850/190 gsm and 850/1900 umts. are the only radio bands nothe i can manually configure unless i flash to another radio nbh file
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you do need to ask ATT to
"turn on" international roaming @5.99/mo. This is not automatic even if you have enrolled in the unlimited data plan in the US.
Choose AUTO on the band settings for the phone and ignore the two default numbers shown. More numbers can be added and shown on the list but AUTO will find most suitable(including all available in your locations) for you.
Sorry for the noobsih question but is it possible to use the Kaiser on a verizon network?
under the Phone settings it has the option for WCDMA so does this mean I can use it with the Verizon (CDMA) network?
Thanks for help!!!
No, it is not possible. WCDMA (Wideband Code Division Multiple Access)= HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access), as far as network capabilities are concerned. True CDMA networks, (VZW, Sprint, etc), use EVDO for data transfer.
Hey yall, I just got to israel and I had purchased an N1 banking on the fact that it was carrier unlocked... I just popped in the new israeli SIM card and every 5 seconds an error message pops up saying com.android.phone has stopped, this doesn't happen in airplane mode so I don't know what to do. Back in the states I had popped in an ATT sim and it worked fine.
it is unlocked but only to certain carriers and certain radio frequencies. american ATT and Tmobile I know work, cant tell you much about Israel though. What carrier are you trying to get it to work on and maybe we can see if the radios match up.
Yup, it is unlocked. There is something else going on wrong there. Try reseating the SIM card? Maybe you got a bad SIM card?
It's celcomm israel, could it be a CM 6 error?
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It's celcomm israel, could it be a CM 6 error?
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hmm, the Nexus should definitly be able to pick up those 2G bands atleast. Call the cell carrier and see if it is on their side, i heard somewhere that some carriers block other cells unless you give them the IMEI to unlock service, or something like that.
Well, I just popped in my bro's Orange SIM and it works fine... But mine is cellcom so that may be the issue.. it is also a USIM card not regullar sim, could that be it?
it's definitely not a frequency thing, GSM is 900/1800 which the N1 supports and UMTS is 850/2100 which your phone supports
in terms of why the sim card won't work, try going to a cellcom store, one time i got a bad sim from them so who knows
Well, I found the right APN settings, but when I type them in and hit save it doesn't add itself to the list, I typed them in without the SIM card in to avoid the force closes, but when I put the sim back in, I still have the force close issues
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Well, I just popped in my bro's Orange SIM and it works fine... But mine is cellcom so that may be the issue.. it is also a USIM card not regullar sim, could that be it?
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isnt a USIM completely different technology? i thought that is what CDMA carriers in the states use, or the nextel technology uses. i dont think that is a gsm network...
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isnt a USIM completely different technology? i thought that is what CDMA carriers in the states use, or the nextel technology uses. i dont think that is a gsm network...
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no that's CSIM, USIM is just a SIM for UMTS (3G) networks
Force closes aren't connected to anything being locked, they're OS error.
USIM or no USIM doesn't matter. Nexus works 100%, with both Cellcom and Orange. In fact I've installed FRF91 on one with Cellcom SIM, and it works fine.
Reinstall stock or close-to-stock FRF91 and check again, if it fails - exchange the SIM.
You won't see the APNs in the list unless you have the SIM inserted, and if you've added APNs without SIM - they're most probably worthless (unless you've entered MCC and MNC, which are taken from the registered network when you have the SIM installed). APNs show in the list only when their MCC and MNC match those of the carrier. When you use MarketEnabler or MarketAccess, for example, the APNs disappear from the list until you revert back to normal.
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isnt a USIM completely different technology? i thought that is what CDMA carriers in the states use, or the nextel technology uses. i dont think that is a gsm network...
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Okay before I go any farther, some definitions are in order.
UICC = Universal Integrated Circuit Card
SIM = Subscriber Identity Module
USIM = Universal Subscriber Identity Module
RUIM = Removable User Identity Module
CSIM = CDMA Subscriber Identify Module
The UICC is the physical strata or card where the DATA is stored. SIM, USIM, R-UIM and CSIM are applications or modules flashed onto the card.
The SIM application (which is used in GSM networks) contains information about the users account and other relevant information that the handset will use to communicate with the mobile network.
The USIM application (which is an update to the SIM application and is used with UMTS [3G] networks) again, stores user account DATA and other relevant info required by the handset to operate on a mobile network.
The R-UIM was originally developed as an add-on to the SIM application to allow CDMA networks users to have the same functionality as a GSM user where by the user could change his/her handsets ad hoc. With the added benefit that a CDMA user could remove their R-UIM and insert it into an unlocked GSM phone and utilize like they would their own phone, thus allowing for seamless billing across foreign (roaming) networks.
The CSIM is an update to the R-UIM where by the USIM application is added to UICC to allow for seamless roaming across different types of mobile networks.
Dan