I thought I could just follow a standard tutorial for getting Cyanogen on my device, but then I was horror stricken to see this tutorial which Rogers Dream users are supposed to use:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Full_Update_Guide_-_Rogers_Dream_EBI1_to_CyanogenMod
First off the bat, I am using my dream unlocked on the Bell network, which is only WCDMA 1900mhz. So I don't know if doing this will stop the device from using HSPA over EDGE, because I don't know what's being changed in the radio version. If it changes to EDGE then I'm screwed because Bell being WCDMA doesn't support EDGE.
The tutorial is discussing keeping an EBI1 kernel for that radio but then mentions a EBI0. I have no idea what affects this will have on my device running unlocked at 1900mhz with the non stock carrier.
Also, this is probably stated in a million different threads, but how can I be assured that this guide is infact for my device. I guess I'm trying to ask what must I check to assure this will work on my device?
I would recommend using the guide at that link because of the reasons listed at the beginning and your phone will remain closer to how it came (mainly radio version).
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First off the bat, I am using my dream unlocked on the Bell network, which is only WCDMA 1900mhz. So I don't know if doing this will stop the device from using HSPA over EDGE, because I don't know what's being changed in the radio version. If it changes to EDGE then I'm screwed because Bell being WCDMA doesn't support EDGE.
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If you use the guide on the wiki the radio stays the same so there shouldn't be any problems. haykro's method uses the radio from the T-Mobile G1 and it is really unknown what the differences are but some slow data speeds have been reported. I haven't heard of anyone that can't connect to networks on certain frequencies due to the radio version, this seems to just be hardware based.
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The tutorial is discussing keeping an EBI1 kernel for that radio but then mentions a EBI0. I have no idea what affects this will have on my device running unlocked at 1900mhz with the non stock carrier.
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It only says that you won't have a EBI0 radio.
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Also, this is probably stated in a million different threads, but how can I be assured that this guide is infact for my device. I guess I'm trying to ask what must I check to assure this will work on my device?
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This should work for any Dream purchased through Rogers and has Rogers stamped on the back. You can check the radio version in the settings under about phone. It should be 3.22.20.17. You can also check the SPL version in fastboot (power on while holding camera). If you have 1.33.0009 you have the original SPL, if you have 1.33.0010 you have the new "perfect" one and you will have 1.33.0005 after rooted.
And a couple of questions for you. How did you get your phone unlocked? How is the GSM with Bell and did you get a better price than Rogers?
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I would recommend using the guide at that link because of the reasons listed at the beginning and your phone will remain closer to how it came (mainly radio version).
If you use the guide on the wiki the radio stays the same so there shouldn't be any problems. haykro's method uses the radio from the T-Mobile G1 and it is really unknown what the differences are but some slow data speeds have been reported. I haven't heard of anyone that can't connect to networks on certain frequencies due to the radio version, this seems to just be hardware based.
It only says that you won't have a EBI0 radio.
This should work for any Dream purchased through Rogers and has Rogers stamped on the back. You can check the radio version in the settings under about phone. It should be 3.22.20.17. You can also check the SPL version in fastboot (power on while holding camera). If you have 1.33.0009 you have the original SPL, if you have 1.33.0010 you have the new "perfect" one and you will have 1.33.0005 after rooted.
And a couple of questions for you. How did you get your phone unlocked? How is the GSM with Bell and did you get a better price than Rogers?
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If I have 1.33.0009 does that mean I can use a method that doesn't risk bricking? It says when I flash the SPL it can brick the device
No, im sorry there is always a possibility of bricking a device when flashing firmware. If you follow the directions to the dot and verify the md5 sum of downloads the risk of bricking should be low. If you want to root it is a risk you are going to have to take just like flashing the firmware of any device (BIOS, etc.)
Beav_35:
I also am using an unlocked rogers dream on Bell.
Notes:
I called Bell with the IMEI before I bought it and asked them if it would work. They said yes.
I unlocked by purchasing a code from an ebay seller. $6. Two hours to get it. Worked for me, twice.
The roaming setting must be enabled. The status symbol has an R in it even tho I am not really roaming. Not a big problem for me.
There is an H in the data symbol. It works OK. The browsing speed is quick (this is a relative term) when tethering but molasses when using the browser in android. Not really sure what this means but it is better than the Treo650 I was using.
I just use Bell because I have contract and it is an acceptable deal. If I didn't have any contract I might look at Fido. My son uses an unlocked Rogers Iphone on Fido and can get voice,sms, and data for $50/mo plus tax - no system access fee.
I am paying $60 plus tax- no system access fee, but I get voice mail and caller ID and some more goodies like 6pm evenings.
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I have had a t-mobile G1 since they first came out, only problem is that i`ve been using it on the Rogers network in Canada. The problem with this is that I can not get 3g on my phone, only Edge...which at times is rather painful. I know you can root the Rogers G1 but from what i`m reading there are limitations to the Roms you can put on it. I`m using cyanogenMod (latest) and i use switchrom to try out any new roms that are put out there. Also use A2SD.
What are the limitations, can i still do all that on the rogers G1. If not, is it worth it to sacrifice the 3g to keep these features
There are two ways to root the rogers dream. The first way keeps the original radio but you can only flash roms with a 32A kernel. There are ports for cyanogen and others, check out the sapphire development section. The second way will flash the G1 radio and you can flash any rom you could on the G1. There are some connection problems reported with the second method (mainly a bit slower edge speeds). I originally rooted my phone using this method and it is definitely still usable especially in 3g areas.
I recently bought a Roger's branded Dream off Ebay and rooted via the Haykuro method (which changes the radio). I am a Roger's customer who is coming from a BB Bold 9000 and I can tell you that 3g makes a small difference in cities.
First note is that a stock Roger's Dream has, frustrating at best, 3g connectivity when you are under three bars of service. IMO, EDGE in cities (I am in Toronto) provides what you need. ROMS correct the 3g discrepancy, however 3g is a power hungry beast on the Dream and EDGE has been doing me well.
Second note is that a newer Roger's Dream is a pain in the ass to root compared to our southern neighbours. I lucked out on my Ebay purchase and had a .0009 SPL. Cyanogen offers a method on their Wiki which allows you to keep the Roger's radio but it limits what you can flash as previously stated. The Haykuro method which changes the radio allows you to flash almost any ROM but I have yet to run anything stable.
Just a little food for thought, hope this helped
THIS IS A QUICK QUESTION:
can the rogers dream run all roms posted here? or are there limitations?
if yes, how?
only if you have the danger spl and the newest radio.
but if you are on the Rogers network you may experience connection issues with the new radio...
I would hold off, you don't want to brick your phone. Our rogers Dreams have a different radio EBI1. Most of the roms on here were from the EBI0 radios meaning it will not work. I'm assuming you have a stock phone right now so use this guide. I used this for my rogers Dream and its working great. Add the http for the link.
wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Full_Update_Guide_-_Rogers_Dream_EBI1_to_CyanogenMod
if you flash the 2.x radio properly along with a proper recovery image, you SHOULDNT brick your phone. i had flashed the 2.x radio and was loading any/every rom you can think of, except i had a whole load of connectivity problems.
so i reverted back to the 3.x radio and have been fine ever since, just using cyans newest with ebi1 kernel.
would love to be able to get a superd rom on here with ebi1 kernel support
HM... ok.
I'm planning to use this on AT&T in the USA... has anyone had experience with this?
is the EBI0 radio acceptable for use with att?
because i'm using my g1 on att right now, and kinda want the 3g speeds. rogers dream does support those frequencies.
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HM... ok.
I'm planning to use this on AT&T in the USA... has anyone had experience with this?
is the EBI0 radio acceptable for use with att?
because i'm using my g1 on att right now, and kinda want the 3g speeds. rogers dream does support those frequencies.
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The only thing is that you may have slow edge speeds. If you get 3g most of the time that probably doesn't matter.
are slower EDGE speeds with the EBI0 radio confirmed?
See: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Talk:Full_Update_Guide_-_Rogers_Dream_EBI1_to_CyanogenMod
I don't know exactly why this is or if it happens for everyone.
FWIW, I just tried DSL reports speed test and got 115kbps on AT&T EDGE with the 26I radio on cyanogen. 3G was 992kbps and WIFI 2734kbps.
This compares to 91kbps/625kbps/3659kbps on my stock iphone 3G (3.1.2) tested immediately after the Rogers Dream with 26I on Cyanogen.
At least in terms of speed, I have to conclude that it's a non-issue, at least on AT&T. Time will tell with regards to network stability.
I have been working on development for a proof of concept application that requires AT&T 3G on the Nexus One. As I finish, I needed to deliver the app on phones to my customer--now I can only get T-Mobile version of the N1!
Why did Google/HTC pull the AT&T version from distribution?
I have a bad feeling by posting this, someone will provide "helpful" comments that I don't need to run an app on a particular carrier, or I can run a TM phone on AT&T--both technically true, but trust me, I have a special case that requires AT&T 3G enabled phones.
I don't think it will work, but I am going to try and reflash a TM N1 with the AT&T radio image and see if that works. I suspect not, since I read somewhere around here that the phones have different power amps. I will let you know...
wrong forum
flashing the at&t radio image to t-mobile hardware will not work don't waster your time
google has not given a reason for no AT&T dev phone only have said "at this time there are no plans to offer the version that is capable of 3G speeds on AT&T and Rogers networks."
Yeah, your best bet is to look on ebay/craigslist or even at the marketplace here on the XDA forums for one. I'm glad I got one before they are gone, but I'm sure you can still find one by looking.
Looks like there is one on sale for $500 here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=752127
Flashing the radio won't do anything because both phones already use the same radio file. There's no such thing as an ATT radio for the nexus, they all use the same single radio file.
Ebay is your best bet, or Craig list.
Radio image doesn't do anything.
The phones' hardware is different. You just have to get the AT&T version from ebay/craigslist.
Also, check out this guy: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=753476
Does your application *absolutely* have to run on an N1?
Cause it's worth pointing out... Telus (Canada) has now released the substantially similar HTC Desire. It's SIM-unlockable, cheaper than an N1, runs the right frequencies for AT&T 3G... and the ROM it comes with is rootable. If your application doesn't play well with Sense UI you can load a ROM such as OpenDesire which is basically stock Froyo.
So if you're in a real bind and you can't get your hands on enough Nexus Ones (Nexii?), this one might be worth consideration.
Hy guys,
I've been reading on that thread for few days and one question raised in my head.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=790984
And that post
forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8299301&postcount=18
If I buy an International (European or other version) of the Galaxy I9000 that doesn't support frequencies HSPA 850MHz from scratch, do you think it has the same hardware as the Bell Canada one ans that it's just the firmware that enable or disable those frequencies?
If so, it may be interresting to try flashing one Internal version of the I9000 with the CSC and Phone file from firmware UGJH2 and see if it enable the 850MHz HSPA frequency.
If that work, that means that International and/or European unlocked I9000 phone are exactly same hardware and that, We could buy them and use them with Bell and other providers in Canada instead of buying a Bell one.
short answer no
it has been tested and re-tested by several people already
it doesn't work
but feel free to try if you have the time and money to spare
if you want the I9000M (3g 850/1900/2100) you can get it off ebay if you don't care about the 3 button issue, but if you do care about the 3 button thing, you can ping me
Wow thanks alot AllGamer for the quick reply. Sorry if that thread is a double post because I haven't seen one talking about this specifically. I've seen alot about the 850Mhz lost after flashing firmware thow...
So if I understand it correctly... the only option we have is to buy a I9000M from Bell and do the 3 buttons fix from that thread in order to be able to unlock and upgrade...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=784704
I still don't get why those big compagnies does different hardware versions of the same phone for different regions.... that must cost more money...lol
P.S. anyone know if Bell allow us to buy that phone full price (499$) without even activating it or we really need to get it activated for a month even at full price???
franckqcc said:
I still don't get why those big compagnies does different hardware versions of the same phone for different regions.... that must cost more money...lol
P.S. anyone know if Bell allow us to buy that phone full price (499$) without even activating it or we really need to get it activated for a month even at full price???
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correct in all counts
yes, it's kinda stupid they have released more than 8 different variants of the same phone, each of them with just minor changes in hardware/software
like with TV, no TV
with Front Camera, no FC
with Upload speed cut off, Full speed upload (USA AT&T)
with Flash, with no Flash
with more storage, with less storage
with keyboard, without keyboard
with these radio bands, without that radio band
with... bah just too many
I have no clue how they keep up with all the different branches of the same tree
re: Bell...
nope, they do have an activation fee when you purchase it, even when you but it off at full price, the total is roughly $650~680 including all the taxes, activation, shipping materials, shipping, packaging, all the other crazy fees the Bell and the government charges
Just by curiosity.. Do you know a version of that phone that work with 850MHz but include the flash for the camera?
That would be nice to have a flash included with it
The flash is on the CDMA Galaxy S for Verizon only. I don't think this device can be unlocked but anyways I don't think you would want a CDMA smartphone in Canada.
he can always hook it up to Telus or Bell, both runs on CDMA
but you are right CDMA kinda sucks, you can't travel to Europe or most other countries with it.
Yep and since CDMA is way slower than HSPA, that would be useless....the only time we use CDMA is in the regions where HSPA isn't working...
Thanks all for your reply
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he can always hook it up to Telus or Bell, both runs on CDMA
but you are right CDMA kinda sucks, you can't travel to Europe or most other countries with it.
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Bell or Telus will not allow anyone to hook up another carriers CDMA phone. This is NOT an option.
In relation to this same question somewhat...What about a hardware transplant from a Bell Vibrant to a European i9000?
Does anyone know what radio chipset the Bell Vibrant uses and what radio chipset the European i9000 uses? I've seen two different radio chipsets for the i9000, one from Qualcomm and one from Triquint:
Qualcomm RTR8265: (Maybe the Korean i9000?)
http://translate.google.com/transla....com/News_List_View.php?nModeC=4&nSeq=1742568
Triquint TQM6M26028L: (Maybe the Singapore and European i9000?)
http://www.phonewreck.com/2010/08/19/samsung-galaxy-s-teardown/
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/09/disassembly-of-the-samsung-galaxy-s/
http://www.careace.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/galaxy-s-disassembly-28.jpg
Unless I'm reading all 3 disassembly wrong, they have conflicting info in regards to the radio being used. Maybe the radio chipset being used is dependent on the region where the i9000 is from? Can any one confirm? I plan on purchasing an international i9000 to replace my bricked i9000M and would like to see if I could transplant certain parts to see if I could get the 850 MHz via hardware. I plan to disassemble my bricked Bell Vibrant once my toolkit comes in and take some pictures so maybe it'll be of help to people in the future.
Electroz said:
Bell or Telus will not allow anyone to hook up another carriers CDMA phone. This is NOT an option.
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not sure where you got that from but i worked for Telus and we hooked up quite a bunch of USA verizon/sprint CDMA phones online.
we used to do a IMEI check first to make sure it was not blacklisted before signing them up for a plan with their phone
is there an easy way to find this out without taking apart the phone?
dawgpound6985 said:
In relation to this same question somewhat...What about a hardware transplant from a Bell Vibrant to a European i9000?
Does anyone know what radio chipset the Bell Vibrant uses and what radio chipset the European i9000 uses? I've seen two different radio chipsets for the i9000, one from Qualcomm and one from Triquint:
Qualcomm RTR8265: (Maybe the Korean i9000?)
http://translate.google.com/transla....com/News_List_View.php?nModeC=4&nSeq=1742568
Triquint TQM6M26028L: (Maybe the Singapore and European i9000?)
http://www.phonewreck.com/2010/08/19/samsung-galaxy-s-teardown/
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/09/disassembly-of-the-samsung-galaxy-s/
http://www.careace.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/galaxy-s-disassembly-28.jpg
Unless I'm reading all 3 disassembly wrong, they have conflicting info in regards to the radio being used. Maybe the radio chipset being used is dependent on the region where the i9000 is from? Can any one confirm? I plan on purchasing an international i9000 to replace my bricked i9000M and would like to see if I could transplant certain parts to see if I could get the 850 MHz via hardware. I plan to disassemble my bricked Bell Vibrant once my toolkit comes in and take some pictures so maybe it'll be of help to people in the future.
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AllGamer said:
not sure where you got that from but i worked for Telus and we hooked up quite a bunch of USA verizon/sprint CDMA phones online.
we used to do a IMEI check first to make sure it was not blacklisted before signing them up for a plan with their phone
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Thats pretty weird then. CDMA phones don't even have an IMEI. That is a gsm/hsdpa specific number.....
Sent from my GT-I9000M using XDA App
you said IMEI people will understand what it is
you tell them ESN they will be like "wuuaaat number?"
cust: "my old number before DC?"
me: NO
Your number under the battery compartment or box that came in...
cust: "wuaaat? where?"
me: ohh... never mind, just give me the phone
cust: "here"
me: where's the sticker?
cust: "i peeled it, it didn't look good" (that happened once)
another time was
me: where's the sticker?, it's all smudged & worn out!
cust: "i dunno"...
needless to say both cases were denied, no IMEI/ESN can't register them
a couple of times we did get some black listed ESN from verizon/sprint, also denied on those cases
most of the time they are okay, and can easily be joined to the network, the only trouble was finding the re-programing instruction for those Odd phones as we knew by memory the models we sold, but anything weird will take some times.
we always charged extra for that.
Okay so quick update and something quite interesting. I'm disassembling my Vibrant right now and the piece where the antenna connects is labeled i9000T. More to come in a new thread.
dawgpound6985 said:
Okay so quick update and something quite interesting. I'm disassembling my Vibrant right now and the piece where the antenna connects is labeled i9000T. More to come in a new thread.
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ohhhhhhhh wow! so we got a Latin America model inside?!
AllGamer said:
ohhhhhhhh wow! so we got a Latin America model inside?!
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Seems to be one part. Check out the pictures here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8395614#post8395614
<farnsworth> Good news everybody! </farnsworth> I have the european i9000 (900/1900/2100) which I bought unlocked in New York City and have been using (with 3g/HSPA) on AT&T.
When I came home to canada, I got a bell sim card (as I have a bell plan, previously with a CDMA phone). When I started the phone, all I was getting was voice, and I was very dissapointed.
I decided to see if Rogers or Tellus would work (as somebody told me they use 1900 more than 850), and when the rogers guy tried his sim, it was the same story. THEN he figured out that for this phone, you have to manually enter the APN info for the canadian carrier. He tried it on my phone, and I started picking up EDGE.
I immediately called bell tech support for the same info, and they refered me to the website. I entered the bell APN info in the settings menu and I now have HSPA on bell in Canada on my european i9000! Spread the word!
mthiffau said:
<farnsworth> Good news everybody! </farnsworth> I have the european i9000 (900/1900/2100) which I bought unlocked in New York City and have been using (with 3g/HSPA) on AT&T.
When I came home to canada, I got a bell sim card (as I have a bell plan, previously with a CDMA phone). When I started the phone, all I was getting was voice, and I was very dissapointed.
I decided to see if Rogers or Tellus would work (as somebody told me they use 1900 more than 850), and when the rogers guy tried his sim, it was the same story. THEN he figured out that for this phone, you have to manually enter the APN info for the canadian carrier. He tried it on my phone, and I started picking up EDGE.
I immediately called bell tech support for the same info, and they refered me to the website. I entered the bell APN info in the settings menu and I now have HSPA on bell in Canada on my european i9000! Spread the word!
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Go outside of a large metropolitan area and report back. Or maybe you could even try reading this thread....
Is anyone working on getting the Tmobile HSPA+ 3G spectrum up and running on the international/ At&T / Developer Edition of the HTC One?
Out of the box the unlocked versions only support Tmobile 2g Edge speeds and the newly refarmed 4g LTE on the 1900 spectrum.
The carrier branded phones are almost $150 more than the unlocked versions and the hardware is "technically" there for all of the frequencies. What are the chances that we will have a solution, similiar to the below, found on the ATT Galaxy Note 2? I'd be willing to donate for a workaround.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2068041
At a minimum you'd need s-off to flash a different radio. Until you (we) have a working method to get s-off there is zero chance of this happening.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2235323
Im having same issues here I have 64GB Developer Edition and I'm stuck on TMobile Edge. I though this was Quad Radio
ahernandez4110 said:
Im having same issues here I have 64GB Developer Edition and I'm stuck on TMobile Edge. I though this was Quad Radio
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This was a concern of mine as I'm off contract with ATT already and may jump ship. If you look deeper than the word "quad" and actually look at the bands supported vs what the carriers use vs network coverage, you would have found out that
A) Tmo "3G/4G" runs on AWS (700/2100) (really should be called HSPA+42)
B)Tmo have refarmed a some bands to support "3G" on 1900 (HSPA+21)
C)Tmo LTE is not everywhere
which means... if you are not in a refarmed area (which again is not everywhere) you will be either on LTE or Edge.
So.... refer to the top link for hope. Which is S-off and a flash of the radios (the chip itself should have all the bands).
ehh its late... I basically repeated what the OP said.
I was under the impression that an s-on radio flash solution had been posted already.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2245615
nilism said:
I was under the impression that an s-on radio flash solution had been posted already.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2245615
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Its true, However I was told we need the T-mobile radio to use his method which makes perfect sense. So, I just got my t-mobile htc one today and id like to learn how to get my radios off my phone to share it with you guys.
Can anyone please show me step by step on how to get the radios off my phone? Will post here ASAP then you guys can test it.
Thanks
Becool0130 said:
Its true, However I was told we need the T-mobile radio to use his method which makes perfect sense. So, I just got my t-mobile htc one today and id like to learn how to get my radios off my phone to share it with you guys.
Can anyone please show me step by step on how to get the radios off my phone? Will post here ASAP then you guys can test it.
Thanks
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Lol pretty sure step two of that guide tells you how to pull the radios for backup and / or sharing. (o;
Thank me later.
Has anyone figured this out yet using the QPST method in the Qualcomm software like we do with Samsung?