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[DEV] Blackstone Android development

I'm starting a new thread for discussion focused on development of the linux kernel and android porting. The thread we've been using recently was started by xmoo, who is no longer involved. Another thread started by tuxhero is focused only on his personal project and a lot of user support, so we need a more technical thread.
I'll jazz it up a bit when I get time.

Here's a first contribution.
We don't have enough buttons on the Blackstone. All the builds so far have 4 (receiver up, home, back and receiver down, as per the icons on the bottom of the device). Android is easier to use with a menu button too, so here's a kernel where the bottom row is remapped to 5 buttons. Imagine instead of the 4 icons you have five, with MENU in the middle. The others are shifted outwards slightly to make room for the "invisible" menu button. It's not an ideal solution, but I got used to it pretty quickly.
Instructions: whatever build you're using, unzip and replace the zImage file on the SD card with this one (tested on the 0.2 build from tuxhero's thread)

Hope more techies join this thread to get the desired results.

Personally I'm waiting to see if Tuxhero is actually going to solve any of the hardware problems. I'm open minded about this, on the one hand his previous grand claims came to nothing. On the other hand, he can clearly hack kernel and probably hack android so perhaps there are great things to come. I'd like to see more than a kernel and android build borrowed from other people's projects, or at least if he's going to rebadge open source products, to adhere to the GPL by releasing his sources so others can learn from them. One thing he might need to consider is whether Google's lawyers, in the light of the Cyanogen case, will be happy with him accepting donations while redistributing their IP.

at least he renamed the "name" of this release from "vogue linux" to "blackstone linux"..
was funny to read that..

That's nice guys. Wait i will post link to your thread and get more people to you.
I really like it guy. If i don't see all this crap then i will sleep peace fully now that ur there to keep me
reminded abt my project and get me back to work on my project. Please don't stop guys because you are the reason for my work.

Beautiful. I will try that 5btn mapping, didn't even think it was possible, thanks!

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Personally I'm waiting to see if Tuxhero is actually going to solve any of the hardware problems. I'm open minded about this, on the one hand his previous grand claims came to nothing. On the other hand, he can clearly hack kernel and probably hack android so perhaps there are great things to come. I'd like to see more than a kernel and android build borrowed from other people's projects, or at least if he's going to rebadge open source products, to adhere to the GPL by releasing his sources so others can learn from them. One thing he might need to consider is whether Google's lawyers, in the light of the Cyanogen case, will be happy with him accepting donations while redistributing their IP.
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When i want to start every thing from beginning you are the one who shouted at me now when i accepted my mistake and joined other dev and working together and using old work you are the one shouting again. Are you mentally retarded?
What's ur problem patp? My donation? My Kernel? My Android? My Project?
What the hell is your porblem.

Woah woah woah. Guy's atleast we've seen dome decent progress from Tux aha!
I don't know Tux very well. But he's a very hardworking person, he also contributes a lot to this forum and i'm sure some others too.
i saw in the last project he had how much people like you flamed him, me and a lot of other people stood by him and saw progress, so i'll carry on sticking by him.
Finding funny things to read? aha how pathetic, i'd like to see someone who has never made a mistake of some sort.
The only mistake Tux actually made was releasing android beta in a community where people like you can get to it. However, me, like most other people are thankful for his work, if you don't like it, ignore it, don't joke and flame about it.
Keep up with the good work Tux.

From my opinion, tuxhere is the ONLY reason andorid is working on blackstone. Other teams tried, HE DID IT!
I'm very glad and proud of his project and i think he is the track we need to follow and help.
Tuxhero, you have my entire support.
For all others, i think we can all help and learn but we can't say bad things about tuxhero and his work because when i tmatters to android in blackstone, he is the man!

DanMccoy1 said:
Woah woah woah. Guy's atleast we've seen dome decent progress from Tux aha!
I don't know Tux very well. But he's a very hardworking person, he also contributes a lot to this forum and i'm sure some others too.
i saw in the last project he had how much people like you flamed him, me and a lot of other people stood by him and saw progress, so i'll carry on sticking by him.
Finding funny things to read? aha how pathetic, i'd like to see someone who has never made a mistake of some sort.
The only mistake Tux actually made was releasing android beta in a community where people like you can get to it. However, me, like most other people are thankful for his work, if you don't like it, ignore it, don't joke and flame about it.
Keep up with the good work Tux.
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+1 to DanMccoy1, my support goes to TuxHero too, no offense to patp but I think you are diverting from the topic of your own thread. Neither google nor you or anyone can stop me supporting or donating to TuxHero. If your thread becomes fruitful then I may support/donate you too..
Be cool

I don't like the "fifth invisible button" solution, it's not elegant.
Imho the long press solution tux proposed is better.
Flaming is not the way to have android working on our device...

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Personally I'm waiting to see if Tuxhero is actually going to solve any of the hardware problems. I'm open minded about this, on the one hand his previous grand claims came to nothing. On the other hand, he can clearly hack kernel and probably hack android so perhaps there are great things to come. I'd like to see more than a kernel and android build borrowed from other people's projects, or at least if he's going to rebadge open source products, to adhere to the GPL by releasing his sources so others can learn from them. One thing he might need to consider is whether Google's lawyers, in the light of the Cyanogen case, will be happy with him accepting donations while redistributing their IP.
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Nice mood you bring in here.
I don't know you, but reading your story you seem a bit frustrated.
And by the way, XDA is all about accepting donations while redistributing stuff....Are you going to warn all the cooks to..c'mon dude..
So i wish you a happy time and good luck in your own topic here.

He's leading the way for other developers too. In an open community like this you can't work against eachother all the time. Tuxhero is trying to bury the waraxe, but patp seem to continue beeing an asshole. Hope it gets sorted out real quick, wouldn't have any of the project dying due to some idiotic personal conflict.

patp atleast from day 1 i am trying to do something and never give up but what u did?
come to xda ones every day post some crap and get away but me i say online on xda 90% of my time i work on this project 80% of my time even in office i work on this project keeping it hide from my boss. When u did some thing then do post some time. If i see another post from you about me then my actions will be very very serious.

Thanks For The +1 pkshr
All im getting from this is how jealous patp is that Tux carried on with his own 'personal project' and succeeded.
patp, if i was you i'd stop it now before i made even more of a fool of myself in front of more people, because people are going to read this, and you may have the odd person that dislikes Tux that flames him for you, but theres always going to be the majority of people backing Tux on anything he does for this community.

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patp atleast from day 1 i am trying to do something and never give up but what u did?
come to xda ones every day post some crap and get away but me i say online on xda 90% of my time i work on this project 80% of my time even in office i work on this project keeping it hide from my boss. When u did some thing then do post some time. If i see another post from you about me then my actions will be very very serious.
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chill dude..
u know now tht there are many more supporters to u thn agnst u...
so why care abt the lesser majority..
if somebody has a prblm let him have it..
why to let it bother u...
u know ur goal.. achieve it...
who cares abt others...
they like it ----> OK
they dont like it ---> OK..
cheers'
chetan

If you look in the dictionary, you will a very suitable word for this kind of human behaviour. It's called....Jealousy.

tuxhero said:
patp atleast from day 1 i am trying to do something and never give up but what u did?
come to xda ones every day post some crap and get away but me i say online on xda 90% of my time i work on this project 80% of my time even in office i work on this project keeping it hide from my boss. When u did some thing then do post some time. If i see another post from you about me then my actions will be very very serious.
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Dude, FFS! If there were not for guru's like cr2 among others, we would not have any sound on our Blackstone today.
Still, hats of for the releases u have made. Like patp i'm waiting for the next release. Good to see that u are sharing code and progress with the other devs nowadays.
Sorry patp for filling this new dev thread with bull, just wanted to say my opinion.

cvchetan said:
chill dude..
u know now tht there are many more supporters to u thn agnst u...
so why care abt the lesser majority..
if somebody has a prblm let him have it..
why to let it bother u...
u know ur goal.. achieve it...
who cares abt others...
they like it ----> OK
they dont like it ---> OK..
cheers'
chetan
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You are correct chetan. But this guy twist words very nicely what ever i do that is wrong for him. what i understood from his words is he want me to close project,thread everything and go away i think he is not happy to see Android running on Blackstone many he works for Microsoft.

Cacheinjection leaving the Android Theming world

Hello everyone..
This I thought was something important that I decided to put in the theme thread since the above mentioned developer has had such an impact in the theming world.
So I was talking to cacheinjection just a few minutes ago on gtalk, and he unfortunately told me to let the xda community know that he will be leaving the android theming for a while.
He gave the reason as he was getting very busy with his job, and so does not have that much time right now(which i'm sure is true for most android developers since we can't be on xda all day every day), and also he expressed his discontent at people's lack of appreciation for all that he did/has been doing. He has been quite a revolutionary themer and most people would agree with me that the new things that he brought to the android scene, along with the help of other great developers: freekyfrogy and djosiah, made us love our g1's/mytouch 3g's all over again. With my time being on xda, I have seen this too many times where some ppl on xda actually end up pushing developers away because they do not realize that all developers have lives apart from the work they do for free for the xda community. I think it goes without saying that we as an xda community should show our appreciation to developers, as our way of saying thank you for taking time out of their day.
Excerpts from Conversation:
Cacheinjection: I feel pretty s*** about Android atm...People always want stuff, and never give anything back, not even thanks really. So I think I might give it up. I had a good run.
Cacheinjection: I think it might be very soon cos I don't see people caring anymore.
Cacheinjection: All people do is moan cos I haven't [done a specific thing]. F*** it. I'll just make my own fone pretty.
Cacheinjection: I have a pretty awesome job, I just like people to appreciate that I put my heart and soul into the stuff
Cacheinjection: It seems to me that if you need to tell people to appreciate what you do, they don't appreciate it
Cacheinjection: Let ppl know that I am taking a bit of time off of theme development. Things will get updated as and when..and I'll continue my work with Super D with Ben.
So there it is guys. If I were you, I would go over to his page, and to the pages of as many developers as you can find, and let them know how much you appreciate them. A donation never hurts either, if they have it on their page. So that's it. Just letting people know. Don't let any more developers make this decision also. Let them know you care. Thanks.

Shouldn't be to much of a surprise though, the things he say are pretty true though.

Ace42 said:
Shouldn't be to much of a surprise though, the things he say are pretty true though.
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Very true. Also, I feel even worse for the Devs, they aren't that much more appreciated either! They make wonderful Roms and include awesome instructions yet people ask questions that are already answered and demand more and more and more. I don't know how some of them (including themers) put up with everything. Reading the posts people make in Rom threads make me go They want this, that, etc etc etc!
If only people took some more effort into doing some stuff themselves or even learning the basics, it would probably reduce a lot of these issues. I love when I see a theme release and people just ask for different stuff when they can do it themselves lol, I wonder if they even know how much time this stuff takes. I also don't think most of the people understand or know a thing about the Roms, other then flashing it! Which leads to more demands and devs that have to deal with it!

Just another example of a great developer being pushed away by unappreciative idiots on this forum. It's kind of sad really, alot of people have nothing better to do but to refresh the page every 5 seconds waiting for a new update (usually for a minor bug) even though an update was released just a few days prior. Better yet, the same people will b*tch and moan if a Dev hasn't put anything out for a week, while completely disregarding the fact that people like Cache work for free despite the fact they have actual lives outside of xda. This applies for ROMS and themes.
Xda should be a pay site and I'm serious. Either subscription based or download based. If not then this site will slowly die, do you think devs will continually put up with this crap over and over again? I have no problem paying a mandatory fee for an amazing theme or ROM. Nothing major, just a few dollars but at least the devs will get some guaranteed compensation.
Hope to see you back here Cache because despite the idiots, I do know there are alot of posters that appreciate your work.

jasrups said:
Just another example of a great developer being pushed away by unappreciative idiots on this forum. It's kind of sad really, alot of people have nothing better to do but to refresh the page every 5 seconds waiting for a new update (usually for a minor bug) even though an update was released just a few days prior. Better yet, the same people will b*tch and moan if a Dev hasn't put anything out for a week, while completely disregarding the fact that people like Cache work for free despite the fact they have actual lives outside of xda. This applies for ROMS and themes.
Xda should be a pay site and I'm serious. Either subscription based or download based. If not then this site will slowly die, do you think devs will continually put up with this crap over and over again? I have no problem paying a mandatory fee for an amazing theme or ROM. Nothing major, just a few dollars but at least the devs will get some guaranteed compensation.
Hope to see you back here Cache because despite the idiots, I do know there are alot of posters that appreciate your work.
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Something like the membership @ modaco. People get angry when a new update doesn't come out which is ridiculous.

Cacheinjection Keep Your Head Up And I Also Want You To Know That You Are Appreciated By Me. Take As Much Time As You Need. Your Themes Are The Best And Will Always And Forever Be. Your A Tremendous Developer. Continue On Doing What You Do And Trust Me: You Will Be Missed A LOT!
Until Then...Keep Up The Marvelous Work

It seems people want things on there schedule and how they want it.. A dev developes for him/herself and then share with the community.. We shouldn't expect anything from them we should be happy that they took there time to make something for us (community)....
Appreciate you and your revolutionary designs for the Android Community... You will be missed a lot

Ace42 said:
Something like the membership @ modaco. People get angry when a new update doesn't come out which is ridiculous.
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Ah I'd be totally down for some kind of membership/subscription here (As long as it isn't too much! Just some membership thing would be nice)
And now that you guys mention people constantly wanting updates, that reminds me of how ppl appear to go crazy when Cyanogen doesn't release an update and think he's left the project to die cause of nexus one lmao. I personally think most of us will just keep wanting updates (flashaholics!), even at the point where updates are almost no longer possible!

It's terrible how all the complainers ruin it for all the people who truly do appreciate the devs work. The lurkers like me far outnumber the haters but the fact that we lurk is probably part of the problem. We'll miss him cache's work has definitely been some of the best.....the Darkstar theme is the best thing on any cellular device to date imho.

Sorry to see him leave, he will be missed.

eessel said:
F*** it. I'll just make my own fone pretty.
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this made me laugh lol...
but that fact aside...
u do amazing work...
ive been part of the android community since day 1 of the g1 being released...
i wasnt a linux geek or themeing master but i patiently waited...learned the tricks and began helping others...
it was fun to give people tips and tricks on how to do things
help run their roms on their phone when they cant anymore...
and i feel what ur saying
its hard to keep up with a community thats so young and wants everything quick...some people just dont realize the time that goes into it...
well i hope u do come back and if u keep ur themes for a select few i understand that...for peopel who donate and what not i would be more than willing to pitch in...everyone deserves payment for their work...nothing in this world is free

Sad, sad, sad...
Hope HE will be fine. It doesn't matter those people whose won't be getting his stuff, only HE matters.
So, if HE is allright, i'll be fine!
Good luck Mr.Cacheinjection!

damn this guy was my partner in crime lol. to be honest without cache here updates for elegance and darkstar will be very slow. he was the one who mostly updated these themes. its sad to see him go because he has taught me a lot and if it wasnt for his initial darkstar concept i wouldnt have gotten into themeing. hopefully he will be back sooner than we think.
@shadowch31 syaing that he 'bit off more then he chew' isnt a very fair statement to make. he chose to try and do all these things to help the community and when the community dont show appreciation they are just throwing it back in his face. im not having a go at you or anything, just thought it needed to be said.

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I feel sorry about it, but I understand him, everyone who make themes/roms, would understand it too. Actually people, who never made anything, don't realize how hard is it, and how many hours we expend on it.
I also hate when people post negative comments like: "you should post concepts, or w.i.p, ...
I hope he doesn't leave forever, or even long, becuase we need him. He's one of the best, and always a good help for people like me.
I just want to thank him for everything he has made so far.

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I would say though, shadowch31, that from all the conversations that i've had with cache, money is not his main thing for theming. The guy has a love for theming and he seems he just has a heart to share the ideas with people. Just to clear that up. What's wrong with donations anyway? More so to him? The guy has really been revolutionary with bringing new ideas to the table, and you're right..not everyone can donate, but those who can, it never hurts to send a dev some monetary thank yous. i've done so myself when i could cuz i know the time and effort it takes to make anything, from the smallest thing to the grandest. but yeah..i was just letting you know that that's not what cache is about here.

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I would say though, shadowch31, that from all the conversations that i've had with cache, money is not his main thing for theming. The guy has a love for theming and he seems he just has a heart to share the ideas with people. Just to clear that up. What's wrong with donations anyway? More so to him? The guy has really been revolutionary with bringing new ideas to the table, and you're right..not everyone can donate, but those who can, it never hurts to send a dev some monetary thank yous. i've done so myself when i could cuz i know the time and effort it takes to make anything, from the smallest thing to the grandest. but yeah..i was just letting you know that that's not what cache is about here.
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I agree, developers can sell their software in the market, themers share it here. Donations is a good way to push creators to keep working and creating.
And I think 1$ is not a big deal for anybody here, but together, it would be a nice reward for every developer.
But it's just my opinion

hey guys,
im just gonna chime in quick,
first off i wana say to shadowch31 none of this is aimed at you, you are awsome, and i dont think i would have done as much good worth without your enthusiasm.
And yeah i totaly love your british sense of humor, gtalk em if ya wana chat
yeah, this is most definitely not about money, I have a job, and that keeps me in beer and a roof over the head, in fact i was a little hesitant about adding donate links, cos i dont want people to give if they dont wana. its just about people appreciating work, also people letting us know they are still interested with what were doing, helps us know if we should continue to work on it for the comunity.
Anyway thanks for all the support, and i will be back, just having a breather.
Cache

Thanks for coming in Cache and clearing things up, I understand your words of enthusiasm a lot more than 'appreciated' but see how the two tie in.
Your right the community had somwhat abandonded Darkstar besides me and my motivational nagging and Elegance was getting the same besides the odd 'Can we have...' brigade. Gonna be sad to see you go fella but it is a well deserved break and one I understand, just looking at getting into theming myself and know it ain't gonna be a walk in the park and is gonna take a lot of time and effort. Was just gutted and upset to see such an asset to the themeing community leave and for what seemed like weak excuses but now you have explained I fully understand your decision.
I, like everyone else will miss ya fella and look forward to the day you feel like coming back and treating us all to your amazing work. Thanks for everything Cache, been a hell of a ride.

I too would like to say thanks Cache for what you've done for the community, and of course especially DarkStar.
To this date I still haven't abandoned the last update of DS that had Stericson's lockscreen lol. In fact, I'm actually keeping the theme for quite some time since SD 1.8 is stable and fast enough.
But yeah have fun with your break dude, and I look forward to your return.

DINIK Defense Thread

You know what, honestly, I'm a huge fan of DINIKs work, it's beautiful. Hate me if you want, but he doesn't deserve the **** some people have put him through. If you don't like his work, simply shut the F*CK up and don't download it OR use a ROM that has it included...
Is it that hard to follow rules? Honestly... He asked people not to distribute his work without permission, yet I see it happening daily...
Yeah, I have "manipulated" his work, but only to fulfill requests IN HIS OFFICIAL HD2 ICON THREAD, saving him time.
Am I re-distributing his work without his permission? No, I assisted someone in need.
Some people became belligerent, harassing his work because it came with a ROM.... my answer to their stupidity, FLASH A NEW ROM FFS.... If you don't want DINIKs work on your Device, don't flash a ROM with it included. You're only making yourself look dumber.
Remember, most Chefs make ROMs to THEIR personal liking for their own devices, not just to please you. If I Cooked up a ROM and it had DINIKs work {with permission} in it, and someone asked me to get rid of it, I'd immediately direct that user back to the Device ROM fora, and tell them to choose another ROM. Simple as that.
Does DINIK support my creating of this thread? Honestly, probably not... but thanks to these people who consistently blab on about how bad his work is, and how "they can make it too", he has announced that his work will now be for his ROM only... which means HD2 only.
I have no plans to update my Device to a non-hardware keyboard device, so thanks a*sholes... now I, and MANY MANY others, no-longer get to enjoy the work of DINIK.
Do I care if you can make the Anastasia Icons as good as DINIK can? No, I don't. The IDEA behind the set is what makes it beautiful and worthwhile, and DINIK took the time out of HIS day to make ALL of the icons... I don't see you doing this.. I just see you wasting my precious bandwidth and oxygen.
Feel free to comment, BUT if you're going to RANT against me this thread, why don't you just PM an Admin and request for your account to be banned and deleted... it'll save us all a bunch of eye-sores and the chance of our IQs being lowered...
[I felt this thread was necessary to bring people back to reality. Some people are too asinine to simply respect someones work, and time put into the work. I feel the day is coming where Chefs no longer get thanked, nor receive donations... and the day that happens my friends is the day that we all become part of Apples Auschwitz Posse of Fanbois.]

With you on this one mate, too many people are disprespectful to people who spend their own time making other peoples lives/devices better.
we all suffer because of their stupidity, the worst bit is, folk who take what is not theirs and use as they wish without permission will likely not give a damn about it and they will simply move on to copy someone elses work

I 2nd and 3rd that one mate.....
The guys/girls on here that devote their time to making some amazing programs to make our devices a whole lot better than we could possibly imagine, and you get arseholes gobbing off...
I truely respect everyone of the developers and can only say...
IF SOMEONE DOESNT LIKE A CERTAIN PROGRAM/SOFTWARE.......DONT BLOODY DOWNLOAD IT....SIMPLE....
Respect to DINIK and ALL the developers on this site...!!!!
Viva la XDA.....

i cosign this post

Thx Agent Zach and others...i know 90% users here are happy with me and what im doing...its just that this 5-10 people...became so loud and so annoying...that its no more fun to be here and post...it all began with one user who disliked me...and now it started to grow...i dont know what they thinking...they all using my work...and attack me...that one who doing it for them? maybe they should think again about it...to attack an author is not a good idea itself...but to attack an author that you like (use his works) is def an idea of an idiot.
they attacked me and my works...and suffered now...cause i not doing anymore cabs and do only rom exclusive updates...now they started attacking my rom and to rip files out of it (because after the first attack they get no more cabs)...the stupidity have no end...with all that they gonna loose all...i just quit posting here.

I understand your choice 100%.
This thread was intended to show support to your work, as you can already see by the responses. But it was also intended to bring these ignorant folks out of their shell. Maybe they'll learn that people won't kneel at their feet and fulfill their demands.
All it takes is one person to screw something up, and it all rolls downhill from there... it's the vicious circle of idiocracy.
I just hope that one day, something or someone can help change your mind. I understand your thoughts on the Exclusivity of the new Anastasia for your ROM, but it does, in-fact, suck for the rest of us.
I love your work, simple & through. Whatever decisions you make, my friend, I support.
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One of the rules these people should take notice of:
12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
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Thus I linked to the Rules.
Trust me, I won't hesitate to Report.
Some people may even Report my first post in this thread, as the people it's directed towards may become upset with themselves, and then ME for pointing out their mistakes.

I'm not familiar with dinik, his work, or any of you guys that know him but based on what I've read here in the off topic section in the last couple days...
I'm nebenezer, and I approve this message.

Totally agreed with this thread! I don't know way, almost everyone have some of Dinnik's work; and the only thing some people do is dispute! He have changed for us the hole layout from our device, what I'm thankful fore and for some reason or a other there are always people's who don't respect him!!
Ok I must be honest, in the beginning I missed something ore like to see more of his stuff on my device!! So I have simply contact him to asked his authorization to used his basic work to create my'n, and I'm not he only one who have did that!! From the first time I have contact him, till know I have a new friend!! I don't know if it is me ore what!! But in each case my parents have learn me to asked and not to steal!!
It is a golden rules in life in brings you a great part father!
As I mentioned earlier Dinnik, you have more friends here than enemies!

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As I mentioned earlier Dinnik, you have more friends here than enemies!
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Exactly.
But I admit, being a Photoshop Artist myself, the smallest bit of criticism to my work does lower my self esteem and respect toward "the receivers" of my work, no matter how many positive comments I get.
Maybe it's just a conflict within ones' self, and not necessarily a hatred for the critics...
Maybe my metaphoric "Ego" is much more vulnerable than I thought... maybe every artists Ego is..

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I'm not familiar with dinik, his work, or any of you guys that know him but based on what I've read here in the off topic section in the last couple days...
I'm nebenezer, and I approve this message.
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Nice Thread!!!
Am a big fan of your work dinik..
A big thumbs up mate Keep up the good work

Welcome to the world dinik..It is something that you have got to get used to it. I know this from my experience..

DINIK......
Pse do not stop posting because of a few narrow minded idiots..!!! Your stuff if loved by thousands of people on this amazing site.. Keep up the good work fella...

[REQ] Primary Colors Theme

Hey guys I'd just like to make a request for a theme made up of contrast colors like mirrors edge or the movie hard candy. I'm a huge fan of the colors this phone can produce with the vibrancy of screen, and that being said I can't stand all of these themes that dull the colors down, remove them, or just use straight black.
It doesn't make sense to me, I bought this phone for the Super AMOLED Display why waste it with just a rich black color?
Anyone up to the task? I'd be willing to donate, test, etc.
Thanks in advance.
EDIT: So it appears I'm a moron and I actually didn't mean to ask for "CONTRAST" colors because that's pretty vague and well quite honestly I was looking for a different word, I think it may have been Primary. However I guess the colors I would be looking for in this theme would be maybe something along these lines.
White status bar with red icons like signal wifi etc. as well as blue, green, and yellow accents here and there, white and red being the main colors though.
Examples of the color scheme can be found here: http://www.videogamegirlsdb.com/Images/Mirror's_Edge/Faith/Faith_ME_02.jpg here: http://www.pcdoctors.co.za/e107_fil...17_FT0_games_mirrors_edge_parkour_013696_.jpg and here: http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/900/900446/mirrors-edge-20080820034731113_640w.jpg

DigitalDementia said:
Hey guys I'd just like to make a request for a theme made up of contrast colors like mirrors edge or the movie hard candy. I'm a huge fan of the colors this phone can produce with the vibrancy of screen, and that being said I can't stand all of these themes that dull the colors down, remove them, or just use straight black.
It doesn't make sense to me, I bought this phone for the Super AMOLED Display why waste it with just a rich black color?
Anyone up to the task? I'd be willing to donate, test, etc.
Thanks in advance.
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Are there any themes that another phone that is close to what you have in mind, or some graphics the show what you have in mind? I posted a new idea here. I might be up to the challenge

goldenstorm said:
Are there any themes that another phone that is close to what you have in mind, or some graphics the show what you have in mind? I posted a new idea here. I might be up to the challenge
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Updated the main post with more/correct information

Throwing this back up to see if there's any takers. A theme like this would be greatly appreciated, and I'd be more then happy to donate.
I know Avalon was just ported but it's lacking the colors I desire.

I absolutely agree with author. Stop making black and white themes that lack of color. Human eye can see colors. Fascinate's screen can show those colors. I want to just glance on battery icon and based on just color of it figure how much charge left. I don't want to recognize the shade of gray. Colors are very important in human/computer interaction.

Ha ha thanks for the support hopefully someone will answer my prayers soon
*cough* C'MON THEMERS *cough*

spodg said:
I absolutely agree with author. Stop making black and white themes that lack of color. Human eye can see colors. Fascinate's screen can show those colors. I want to just glance on battery icon and based on just color of it figure how much charge left. I don't want to recognize the shade of gray. Colors are very important in human/computer interaction.
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ya know its not exactly easy to port a theme...let alone freaking make one....stop telling people who work on these things what they should/shouldnt do
learn to do stuff on your own and put together the exact thing you want

nitsuj17 said:
ya know its not exactly easy to port a theme...let alone freaking make one....stop telling people who work on these things what they should/shouldnt do
learn to do stuff on your own and put together the exact thing you want
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Before I say anything, I respect you and your work nitsuj17, you put a lot of hard work into porting and making themes for our phones and have increased the enjoyment I have with my device...
That being said there's no need to be a jerk off, no one here is telling any themer what they have to do. I made a request and said my opinion, an opinion in which we are ALL entitled too. If you don't want to port a them or create one don't even bother going into a request thread just to spite those interested and be a smug asshole. I wouldn't ask for someone else to do the work if I knew how, I can't use photoshop for crap and by the time I learn to be decent enough with it to make my own theme I'll have moved way beyond the fascinate. I also offered to make a donation and sure $20 dollars probably isn't much but it's probably more in one single donation then you'll get for that purple theme you made.
This is a community where people go to, to learn, ask for help, socialize, and share their work. I didn't ask you specifically for anything so why you feel the need to come into this thread and tell us to do the work ourselves is beyond me. I'm sorry if anything I said made you dislike me, but that kind of behavior over a mere request and someones opinion is unnecessary.

DigitalDementia said:
Before I say anything, I respect you and your work nitsuj17, you put a lot of hard work into porting and making themes for our phones and have increased the enjoyment I have with my device...
That being said there's no need to be a jerk off, no one here is telling any themer what they have to do. I made a request and said my opinion, an opinion in which we are ALL entitled too. If you don't want to port a them or create one don't even bother going into a request thread just to spite those interested and be a smug asshole. .
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Uh, did you even read smodg's post? He was being a ****. Nitsuj didn't explicitly respond to you, and I think you owe him an apology.

Smodg's post was his own personal opinion which he is also entitled too. He didn't demand anything from anyone therefore not offending anyone.

I don't mean to offend anyone, I feel that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I respect Nitsuj17 and he does phenomenal work I won't argue against that. I just feel it was uncalled for to respond so poorly in a thread that wasn't directly calling him out or anyone for that matter. You also do awesome work jspidah and I'm sorry if you feel I'm out of line...

Also nice port of the JAMT theme, can't wait for white to be up and running, I'm using Avalon but the DJ05 version still has work to be done.

DigitalDementia said:
Smodg's post was his own personal opinion which he is also entitled too. He didn't demand anything from anyone therefore not offending anyone.
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spodg said:
I absolutely agree with author. Stop making black and white themes that lack of color. Human eye can see colors. Fascinate's screen can show those colors.
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Telling us what to do.

In theory, yes. However not really... either way both of them were out of line. As well was I for jumping to assumptions and not thinking my response through more clearly. As well as as not knowing he specifically meant that one particular line of text from smodgs post...

jspidah said:
Telling us what to do.
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Please treat my line just like a friendly advice, not a direct command. And if you perceived it wrong, or I sounded rude and you thought I was telling you guys what to do with your life and how to do things, well... my sincere apologies. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
Oh yea... and my nickname is not smodg.
Thanks!

DigitalDementia said:
Before I say anything, I respect you and your work nitsuj17, you put a lot of hard work into porting and making themes for our phones and have increased the enjoyment I have with my device...
That being said there's no need to be a jerk off, no one here is telling any themer what they have to do. I made a request and said my opinion, an opinion in which we are ALL entitled too. If you don't want to port a them or create one don't even bother going into a request thread just to spite those interested and be a smug asshole. I wouldn't ask for someone else to do the work if I knew how, I can't use photoshop for crap and by the time I learn to be decent enough with it to make my own theme I'll have moved way beyond the fascinate. I also offered to make a donation and sure $20 dollars probably isn't much but it's probably more in one single donation then you'll get for that purple theme you made.
This is a community where people go to, to learn, ask for help, socialize, and share their work. I didn't ask you specifically for anything so why you feel the need to come into this thread and tell us to do the work ourselves is beyond me. I'm sorry if anything I said made you dislike me, but that kind of behavior over a mere request and someones opinion is unnecessary.
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dd, i wasnt refering to your post...requests are fine...i was refering to the quote i referenced

join freenode irc channel #sonofskywalker3 to alpha test a new vibrant rom

topic says it all

If it was worth trying out you would have posted it here.
edit: Also, the channel name wouldn't be so stupid.

r0man said:
If it was worth trying out you would have posted it here.
edit: Also, the channel name wouldn't be so stupid.
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it's called beta for a reason, because it's not worth trying out, but i need people who aren't total dicks to help me make it worth trying out.

sonofskywalker3 said:
it's called beta for a reason, because it's not worth trying out, but i need people who aren't total dicks to help me make it worth trying out.
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Beta software is software with a few bugs, you are thinking of alpha. This section is for development, not a place to hold the hands of wannabe devs and WinZippers.

How do I join?

Do I get a free gift if I join? I really wanna join but I wanna make it worth my while

r0man said:
This section is for development, not a place to hold the hands of wannabe devs and WinZippers.
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all i have to say about this is wow.... lmfao... that was great it just made my day lol

r0man said:
Beta software is software with a few bugs, you are thinking of alpha. This section is for development, not a place to hold the hands of wannabe devs and WinZippers.
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check out the fascinate board and then tell me i'm a wannabe. or look at my other topic on here and check out the 2000+ line ROM Manager Manifest.
abcdavidefg said:
How do I join?
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you can either use an irc client like MIRC or the firefox addon Chatzilla, or go to www.freenode.net and sign in to the webchat

r0man said:
Beta software is software with a few bugs, you are thinking of alpha. This section is for development, not a place to hold the hands of wannabe devs and WinZippers.
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woa wtf is your problem? quit trolling his thread cause your mad you can't make ****. I don't give a flying f*** how many posts you have your acting like a straight up dickhead who sounds jealous.people wonder why the devs are slowly leaving xda. its cause of tards like roman thats why.

djquick said:
Do I get a free gift if I join? I really wanna join but I wanna make it worth my while
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I wish i could, but all that you'll get is a chance to help me on my way to getting my rom in ROM manager for you guys.

Free gift= first one to use the rom

r0man... in defense of skywalker... he was just talking about how he was a fascninate dev and was trying to get this rom working on the vibrant... which is actually a pretty awesome task... doing it in a way NO other vibrant dev has done.. .. making it able to download right through rom manager... to tailor the rom install (if i am not mistaken) to include exactly what you wish...
while i think the irc way is a little out of my way... whatever... its his way.. his rom... if you dont like it... dont be a part of it... why call names and such...
y
honestly.. IMHO.. its the negativity like yours that drives the real devs away from xda...

pack said:
all i have to say about this is wow.... lmfao... that was great it just made my day lol
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You're welcome
sonofskywalker3 said:
check out the fascinate board and then tell me i'm a wannabe. or look at my other topic on here and check out the 2000+ line ROM Manager Manifest.
you can either use an irc client like MIRC or the firefox addon Chatzilla, or go to www.freenode.net and sign in to the webchat
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Wow, your stupidity truly boggles the mind! Oh dear, where to begin...
Let us start with your grammar and capitalization. Now, no one here expects anyone else to adhere to the exact guidelines of the English language but for God's sake man, at least capitalize the first letter of the topic. If you don't, people will assume (quite truly) that you are about 13 years old and are attempting to get your 5 minutes of fame.
Next, making a topic in development trying to force people into your IRC channel is ridiculous. You provide NO details whatsoever. No developer in their right minds would consider making a thread about an upcoming project with absolutely no information.
So I decided to look at a thread you made over in the Fascinate forums, here is something you said in it: "Once our great Devs figure out how to..." I stopped reading right there. If you are going to create ROMs, know how to fix ****.
And finally, to your "2000+ line ROM Manager manifest" I could honestly have no less of an idea what you are babbling about.
Also, anyone who recommends ChatZilla should go die for you are the scum of technology lovers everywhere.
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renocivik said:
r0man... in defense of skywalker... he was just talking about how he was a fascninate dev and was trying to get this rom working on the vibrant... which is actually a pretty awesome task... doing it in a way NO other vibrant dev has done.. .. making it able to download right through rom manager... to tailor the rom install (if i am not mistaken) to include exactly what you wish...
while i think the irc way is a little out of my way... whatever... its his way.. his rom... if you dont like it... dont be a part of it... why call names and such...
y
honestly.. IMHO.. its the negativity like yours that drives the real devs away from xda...
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Now, now. I am not an unreasonable or jealous person, and I believe you have a legitimate reason for calling me out like this. Let me explain, there are 2 kinds of "developers" that populate the XDA forums; developers (Cyan, Eugene, #TeamWhiskey) and WinZippers (everyone over in the themes section, the OP). The former category deserve much applause for their hardwork, and so do the themers in the latter category. The problem is when people from the second group believe they know anything about Android and decide to run off and "create" a ROM. This results in a legion of clone ROMs created with the Android Kitchen that have a different name and MAYBE a different color notification bar. It is sad and pathetic, and it has claimed the livelihood of the G1 developer forum.
texasrocket said:
woa wtf is your problem? quit trolling his thread cause your mad you can't make ****. I don't give a flying f*** how many posts you have your acting like a straight up dickhead who sounds jealous.people wonder why the devs are slowly leaving xda. its cause of tards like roman thats why.
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First off I want to inform you that my username is not roman, it is r0man. With a zero. #justsayin :roll:
Anywho, that was a bit OT. I am not trolling anyone. I am simply trying to tell people not to waste their time with the OP's bull**** WinZippery. The *real* reason developers leave XDA is because people don't use the search feature which irks them to no end, not "straight up dickhead." My post count is irrelevant and I don't hide behind it so I can act like a pretentious ass, I just like to post a lot.

I have installed Chatzilla what do i Do next?

r0man said:
Now, now. I am not an unreasonable or jealous person, and I believe you have a legitimate reason for calling me out like this. Let me explain, there are 2 kinds of "developers" that populate the XDA forums; developers (Cyan, Eugene, #TeamWhiskey) and WinZippers (everyone over in the themes section, the OP). The former category deserve much applause for their hardwork, and so do the themers in the latter category. The problem is when people from the second group believe they know anything about Android and decide to run off and "create" a ROM. This results in a legion of clone ROMs created with the Android Kitchen that have a different name and MAYBE a different color notification bar. It is sad and pathetic, and it has claimed the livelihood of the G1 developer forum.
First off I want to inform you that my username is not roman, it is r0man. With a zero. #justsayin :roll:
Anywho, that was a bit OT. I am not trolling anyone. I am simply trying to tell people not to waste their time with the OP's bull**** WinZippery. The *real* reason developers leave XDA is because people don't use the search feature which irks them to no end, not "straight up dickhead." My post count is irrelevant and I don't hide behind it so I can act like a pretentious ass, I just like to post a lot.
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Well you are acting like a pretentious ass who likes to post alot. Why are you telling people not to waste their time? Maybe they don't think they are wasting their time. who are you to say that they are? If they want to go try out his rom let them. what does it have to do with you? It sounds to me like you are jealous with your nerd rage. it's pathetic.

texasrocket said:
Well you are acting like a pretentious ass who likes to post alot. Why are you telling people not to waste their time? Maybe they don't think they are wasting their time. who are you to say that they are? If they want to go try out his rom let them. what does it have to do with you? It sounds to me like you are jealous with your nerd rage. it's pathetic.
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What does "jealous with your nerd rage" even mean? That I am jealous of a WinZipper who probably doesn't even know how to compile from source? I think not.

r0man said:
Now, now. I am not an unreasonable or jealous person, and I believe you have a legitimate reason for calling me out like this. Let me explain, there are 2 kinds of "developers" that populate the XDA forums; developers (Cyan, Eugene, #TeamWhiskey) and WinZippers (everyone over in the themes section, the OP). The former category deserve much applause for their hardwork, and so do the themers in the latter category. The problem is when people from the second group believe they know anything about Android and decide to run off and "create" a ROM. This results in a legion of clone ROMs created with the Android Kitchen that have a different name and MAYBE a different color notification bar. It is sad and pathetic, and it has claimed the livelihood of the G1 developer forum.
First off I want to inform you that my username is not roman, it is r0man. With a zero. #justsayin :roll:
Anywho, that was a bit OT. I am not trolling anyone. I am simply trying to tell people not to waste their time with the OP's bull**** WinZippery. The *real* reason developers leave XDA is because people don't use the search feature which irks them to no end, not "straight up dickhead." My post count is irrelevant and I don't hide behind it so I can act like a pretentious ass, I just like to post a lot.
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Though this guy may not be the next JesusFreke or Cyanogen why give him a hard time. It seems he's adding more to the development than you are my friend.we have enough touch holes like you wondering around here. Either:
A. Contribute something development-wise to this forum
B. Create your own forum
C. Stop *****ing at people for trying to contribute what they can.
Stop being a **** just to be a ****. It's not very flattering buckeroo.
Just saying

god someone please delete this topic already. i did not mean to start a flame war. i asked earlier if anyone was interested in what i was offering, it seemed like they were, so i tried to get some people to test it for me in realtime. if i had a vibrant i'd do it myself like i do for the fascinate. but i don't. just trying to bring my idea to other phones. sorry i stepped on your toes. sorry for being a useless winzipper, but everybody's gotta start somewhere.

danr238 said:
Though this guy may not be the next JesusFreke or Cyanogen why give him a hard time. It seems he's adding more to the development than you are my friend.we have enough touch holes like you wondering around here. Either:
A. Contribute something development-wise to this forum
B. Create your own forum
C. Stop *****ing at people for trying to contribute what they can.
Stop being a **** just to be a ****. It's not very flattering buckeroo.
Just saying
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He's not contributing ANYTHING though! All he is doing is attention-whoring, and breaking the rules at the same time (projects without any details/screenshots/etc got jdkoreclipse banned).