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Hey m8's, sorry if stuped question but i need an answer asap. I've been a htc wizard(branded as TMO MDA) user for long time(about 4 years now?) and now have a chance to upgrade to HTC TYTN2(Kaiser), in the user roms that are available for kaiser is manilla 3D possible, or the same old Manilla 2d? Wizard has only 195mhz processor and m3D was said to need more well kaiser has 400mhz is that enough? Basically trying to see if i should upgrade from otherwise great(never failed me in 4 years and 100's of rom flashes)wizard. Is the CPU overclockable(on wizard i am running it(stable/everyday) at 290mhz(orig 195) thats 150% OC, is 550mhz possible on kaiser(150% oc), if not what the best stable(everyday) oc u got it to? What are other things that i should know about Kaiser?
1) gps
2) more memory
3) 200 mhz faster processor(before oc)
Ty for all that answered and made me make my descision
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Hi,
I'm a new user of Kaiser. The ROM I use (see my sig) is quite stable, although I haven't really task it heavily. The bundled Map King doesn't run on this ROM though.
Unfortunately the chef has stopped development of this ROM, however, many others also cook 3D and stil updating, you can look around.
pesok said:
Hey m8's, sorry if stuped question but i need an answer asap. I've been a htc wizard(branded as TMO MDA) user for long time(about 4 years now?) and now have a chance to upgrade to HTC TYTN2(Kaiser), in the user roms that are available for kaiser is manilla 3D possible, or the same old Manilla 2d? Wizard has only 195mhz processor and m3D was said to need more well kaiser has 400mhz is that enough? Basically trying to see if i should upgrade from otherwise great(never failed me in 4 years and 100's of rom flashes)wizard. Is the CPU overclockable(on wizard i am running it(stable/everyday) at 290mhz(orig 195) thats 150% OC, is 550mhz possible on kaiser(150% oc), if not what the best stable(everyday) oc u got it to? What are other things that i should know about Kaiser?
1) gps
2) more memory
3) 200 mhz faster processor(before oc)
Ty for all that answered and made me make my descision
To mods: sorry if wrong place - please move
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From what I have observed, the Kaiser cannot be overclocked. The Wizard can be overclocked because it is OMAP based, whereas the Kaiser is ARM based.
There are ROMs out there for the Kaiser that use TF3D, but most are TF2D since 3D is better suited for 192dpi screens and a bit more resources than the Kaiser can offer. They are, however, making great strides to make TF3D more suited for the Kaiser.
The only beef I have about the Kaiser is the slide out keyboard. The keys don't press the same as my old 8525 (Hermes). Other than that, I love my phone (until the Touch Pro2 comes out for T-Mobile US).
There is an app that can overclock on the Kaiser, right now I have mine (AT&T Tilt) set to 520mhz , so that should be close enough to 150%. The App is called HTC Performance I believe...
Thread moved - not related to ROM development.
BTW, HTC performance doesn't seem to do much on Kaisers. Here's one discussion on it : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395767
Ta
Dave
ty for all the responces, the lack of oveclocking potential is putting me off i gotta say, i am OC fanatic and thats what drawn me to wizard initially. Will look into htc performance more, anything else anyone else want to ctribute as to what they love/like/hate about their kaisers?
biscuits1978 said:
From what I have observed, the Kaiser cannot be overclocked. The Wizard can be overclocked because it is OMAP based, whereas the Kaiser is ARM based.
There are ROMs out there for the Kaiser that use TF3D, but most are TF2D since 3D is better suited for 192dpi screens and a bit more resources than the Kaiser can offer. They are, however, making great strides to make TF3D more suited for the Kaiser.
The only beef I have about the Kaiser is the slide out keyboard. The keys don't press the same as my old 8525 (Hermes). Other than that, I love my phone (until the Touch Pro2 comes out for T-Mobile US).
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OMAP is an ARM CPU. It's Texas Instruments' branded ARM based CPU. Kaiser uses a Qualcomm branded ARM based CPU...
ARMv5TEJ
ARM926EJ-S
Thumb, Jazelle DBX, Enhanced DSP instructions
variable, TCMs, MMU
220 MIPS @ 200 MHz,
Mobile phones: Sony Ericsson (K, W series); Siemens and Benq (x65 series and newer); Texas Instruments OMAP1710, OMAP1610, OMAP1611, OMAP1612, OMAP-L137; Qualcomm MSM6100, MSM6125, MSM6225, MSM6245, MSM6250, MSM6255A, MSM6260, MSM6275, MSM6280, MSM6300, MSM6500, MSM6800; Freescale i.MX21, i.MX27, Atmel AT91SAM9, NXP Semiconductors LPC3000, GPH Wiz, Marvell Feroceon, NEC C10046F5-211-PN2-A SoC - undocumented core in the ATi Hollywood graphics chip used in the Wii[14].
ARMv6
ARM1136J(F)-S[15]
8-stage pipeline, SIMD, Thumb, Jazelle DBX, (VFP)
variable, MMU
740 @ 532-665 MHz (i.MX31 SoC), 400-528 MHz
Texas Instruments OMAP2420 (Nokia E90, Nokia N93, Nokia N95, Nokia N82), Zune, BUGbase, Nokia N800, Nokia N810, Qualcomm MSM7200 (with integrated ARM926EJ-S [email protected], used in Eten Glofiish, HTC TyTN II, HTC Nike), Freescale i.MX31 (used in the original Zune 30gb and Toshiba Gigabeat S), Freescale MXC300-30 (Nokia E63, Nokia E71, Nokia 5800, Nokia E51, Nokia E75, Nokia N97), Qualcomm MSM7201A as seen in the HTC Dream.
More Info found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture.
alltubetone said:
There is an app that can overclock on the Kaiser, right now I have mine (AT&T Tilt) set to 520mhz , so that should be close enough to 150%. The App is called HTC Performance I believe...
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Htc performace is load of crap and been proved useless and void over and over again for the kaiser by benchmark tests.
If you are on T-mobile in the US, just wait for the Touch Pro 2. It is rumored that T-mo should get it as the "Wing II". It's about time...
I still have my Wizard (iMate KJam). I also ran OMAPclock to overclock it, but stopped this a long time ago. I got my TyTN II (Kaiser) last January (2008) and still going strong with original stock rom. I have just customised mine with Spb Mobile shell which, imho, is way better than any form of manilla, and it is fully touch AND D-Pad usable. I have v2.1.5 with the Spb MS Fast Customiser found on this forum somewhere.
It is like night and day switching from the wizard to the kaiser. You won't be sorry.
Found the datasheet on MSM7200A, would be pleased if any of you guys check it and compare it to iPhone graphics chip
Xperia proccessor MSM7200A, with integrated graphics chip
iPhone graphics chip PowerVR MBX-Lite (Sorry no datasheet)
Since the most popular (because of its app store, games quantity) is iPhone,
And I must say iPhone games are really superb for a graphics aspect, imo best graphics in mobile phones/pda/smartphones field. (like Sims 3, NFS Undercover), I wonder if Xperia could do the same.
In GSM arena, I discovered that iPhone graphics chip is Powervr MBX-Lite (On iPhone & iPhone 3G), featuring OpenGL ES 1.1, OpenVG 1.0, Direct3D and of course full 2D/3D support, which, compared MSM7200A integrated ATi accelaration, well, really Im not a Pro out here, so I've just found a Datasheet on this.
Not to tell about the WM gaming industry, which is ermm "....", but the fact, hope, that we could have this...
Now we have almost everything - itje, who dedicated very much to xda (his roms, other deeds are priceless) ((ofcourse his Touch-IT testing team, who not only answer touch-it related questions but is active like everyhwere)) other Rom and active app's/ xda contributors like gtrab, smaberg, jackleung,Tnyynt, fingerkeyboard makers, HTC encoder makers, other guys, fixing our phone bugs, creating soft for us,moderators... I could go on and on
naming these great people, who raised up our xperia from stock to almost perfection.
So only issue is...(for me ) gaming.
Heard that EA, gameloft are porting iPhone games to newer WM devices, but, I dont think that these sources are...well...realistic.
Tautvydas said:
Been looking in forums, web, to be precise, everywhere, even Xperia X1 White Paper, but Still havent got clarified answer on what Graphics chip does Xperia use. So I made several assumptions, by checking the information a little bit.
As common answer is Xperia uses ATI Imageon 2700, in Wikipedia there's no such chip number as "2700", also, Products with Imageon well, there's no xperia!
Imo, variants Xperia graphics chip is "Imageon 2388/2380" or "Imageon 2300" (If its even Imageon) , just need you guys to clarify this.
Just why I am making this thread - since Xperia is very versatile, like music/internet/messaging/videos with qwerty and etc. the only problem (for me), well, not as a problem, but as a shortage - gaming.
We have ScuMMM, sNes, sega, even PSX emu's, and maybe one game, who shows what Xperia is capable of - Xtrakt.
Since the most popular (because of its app store, games quantity) is iPhone,
And I must say iPhone games are really superb for a graphics aspect, imo best graphics in mobile phones/pda/smartphones field. (like Sims 3, NFS Undercover), I wonder if Xperia could do the same.
In GSM arena, I discovered that iPhone graphics chip is Powervr MBX-Lite (On iPhone & iPhone 3G), featuring OpenGL ES 1.1, OpenVG 1.0, Direct3D and of course full 2D/3D support, which, compared to "Imageon 2388/2380", is "almost" equal (dunno about Direct3D, although I think its not supported by Imageon) , so if any of you would tell whats the Xperia graphics chip, we would clarify the fact that we "could" enjoy the iPhone graphics (^^)
Not to tell about the WM gaming industry, which is ermm "....", but the fact, hope, that we could have this...
Now we have almost everything - itje, who dedicated very much to xda (his roms, other deeds are priceless) ((ofcourse his Touch-IT testing team, who not only answer touch-it related questions but is active like everyhwere)) other Rom and active app's/ xda contributors like gtrab, smaberg, jackleung,Tnyynt, fingerkeyboard makers, HTC encoder makers, other guys, fixing our phone bugs, creating soft for us,moderators... I could go on and on
naming these great people, who raised up our xperia from stock to almost perfection.
So only issue is...(for me ) gaming.
Heard that EA, gameloft are porting iPhone games to newer WM devices, but, I dont think that these sources are...well...realistic.
My target is to clarify Xperia graphics potential, know full information about graphics chip
P.S. Yes I've searched xda/google for this like crazy. Sorry for this thread to go as a poem.
P.S.S. Yes Xperia is business class phone, but hey, why not to dream? It still has got one of the best HW on WM devices around.
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Could you maybe find out by taking the x1 apart and looking at all of the chips? I looked at some videos online but couldnt see the names on any chips - not sure if it would even say but it seems as if it could work - i looked around a bit too and i keep hearing about the Imageon 2300 but i cant confirm it sorry
the ati part is not a chip it's intergrated into the qualcomm cpu
http://www.google.dk/search?source=ig&hl=da&rlz=&q=MSM7200a+ati&btnG=Google-søgning&aq=f&oq=
more info
Well its not the 2300, here a quote from ati "Imageon 2300 integrates an advanced 2D and 3D graphics engine, MPEG-4 video decoder, JPEG encoding/decoding, and a 2 Mega pixel camera sub-system processing engine. With support for up to 2MB of ultra low-power SDRAM, it "
link:http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2300/
since we have (being said) 128 mb shared ram and ive also read some where in some sheet that we have an tuned up gpu. (this is all speculative tho)
and why do the touch pro have 288 and we 256 ram? do we have a better gpu needing more ram ?
Updated the post, please check, now only we need guys to compare both phones graphics capability.
Chaosstorm said:
Well its not the 2300, here a quote from ati "Imageon 2300 integrates an advanced 2D and 3D graphics engine, MPEG-4 video decoder, JPEG encoding/decoding, and a 2 Mega pixel camera sub-system processing engine. With support for up to 2MB of ultra low-power SDRAM, it "
link:http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2300/
since we have (being said) 128 mb shared ram and ive also read some where in some sheet that we have an tuned up gpu. (this is all speculative tho)
and why do the touch pro have 288 and we 256 ram? do we have a better gpu needing more ram ?
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Seems like SE/HTC made some kind of adjustment with these GPU on xperia's MSM7200A, wondering what, so your guessing might be right about better xperia's gpu, or its just that touch pro's all interface/oem/os modifications are more "hungry" for ram.
Just for curiosity, new released iPhone 3GS has PowerVR SGX535 graphics, also SE iDou has same chip from SGX family (530 one), so we can expect awesome graphics, chip's techinical capabilities are very big:
# next generation fully programmable universal scalable shader architecture
# exceeding requirements of OpenGL 2.0 and up to DirectX 10.1 Shader Model 4.1
Just that 3GS's chip will be better than iDou's (535 - 28MPolys/s , 530 - 14 MPolys/s)
soo..... where can we find an D3D drivers for X1i?
I currently own a diamond and I'm considering a topaz as my next phone. I see that both devices has similar cpu so I'm curious if topaz is actually faster than diamond in any way (graphics / applications / file system)? Did someone actually measured the difference between these two phones?
I'd say buy a hero
But Diamond vs Topaz, The Topaz will benchmark better ;-)
Although there are still some bugs...
I had a Diamond before my Topaz and I can say, the Topaz is better in every way except for size.
The Hero could be a good option for me once the quality (and quantity) of the software written for android reaches the quality of the WM software. Probably after one more year...
I think in pietrucci's benchmark file are some Diamond ROM's. There might be another file in the Diamond forum with his benchmarks. So you can compare directly.
No doubt, it is much faster then Diamond. I have both and a'm very happy with the Diamond2
BeeGee_Tokyo said:
I think in pietrucci's benchmark file are some Diamond ROM's. There might be another file in the Diamond forum with his benchmarks. So you can compare directly.
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Yes, look at the threads "Some benchmarking...", both on the Diamond and on the Topaz forum. Benchmarks for lots of ROMs, stock and cooked.
Topaz is much faster...
Hi all,
Since the X1 hardware is so similar to Blackstone, is it possible to use what the Blackstone guys are doing to improve performance on the X1?
What I am most interested in is this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442712
BETA graphics drivers for improving OpenGL speed. There is also a benchmark thread in the Blackstone forums, do the same benchies work with X1? Could be useful to have a reference for which ROMs are actually fastest.
Just some thoughts, hope for a response from a guru!
-Oobly
So I was reading that thread...
Theres a faq there:
"..
Q: Are these solely for MSM720X devices?
A: Yes, since the files used only work with the MSM720X chipset. And not even ALL MSM720X chipsets.
Q: So, which devices are supported?
A: Currently only newer devices: the Kaiser, Polaris, Nike, Diamond and up. There MAY be more in the future though.
.."
here is my take on all this:
-the neo2007 work on xperia but i cant see any performance increase
-the xperia is running @400mhz not 528mhz like the HD or td2. so dont ever expect it to reach the same level of performance. i have tested many cooked roms on xperia and they all trail the HD or TD2 stock roms in application and multitasking performance
THE GRIZZ said:
here is my take on all this:
-the neo2007 work on xperia but i cant see any performance increase
-the xperia is running @400mhz not 528mhz like the HD or td2. so dont ever expect it to reach the same level of performance. i have tested many cooked roms on xperia and they all trail the HD or TD2 stock roms in application and multitasking performance
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on the other hand, i (which are currently running Touch X 6.1 with various performance tweaks) find that the custom ROM that i'm currently using are faster and have better responce compared to a TD2 running on stock ROM that i've tested for 30 minutes in a store.
if that extra Mhz really matters, then it could always be unlocked using neurom. i did also tried neurom only to find that it decreases my battery life.
so i'm sticking with 400 mhz that lasts me 3-4 days than a 2 days 528mhz.
and no, i'm not biased just because i'm using an x1.
ejat said:
if that extra Mhz really matters, then it could always be unlocked using neurom. i did also tried neurom only to find that it decreases my battery life.
so i'm sticking with 400 mhz that lasts me 3-4 days than a 2 days 528mhz..
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i tried using neurom but i could not overclock it to 528. if you can please let us now how. to test if it worked test with something like the core player or tcmp (both have benchmarking tools) and the game xtract.
both apps will give you real world performance and both perform clearly worse on my xperia then on td2
ohh and %20 less cpu speed will not double the battery life. the x1 has a nice big 1500mah battery
Thanks for the replies guys!
I always thought the xperia runs a 7200A processor at 528MHz...?? That's what all the spec sheets say at least.
About speed and battery life, increasing the CPU speed by 20% can certainly double power usage especially if it is an overclock. Both power usage and heat generated increase dramatically when overclocking CPU's in PC's and I don't expect it is any different with mobile CPU's.
I am disappointed by the benchmark results I see for xperia, but I really love the hardware layout and size. According to the specifications it should run faster than it seems to....
Any definitive answers about CPU clock speed? Anyone? From what I have read, the 7200 CPU runs at 400 and the 7200A at 528. The X1 has a 7200A and all the spec sheets I have seen and "official" specs say 528MHz.
Have we been screwed again by HTC? <--- referring to the 3D driver issue....
over and over again I face the fact, that some games and apps don't run as smooth as the seem to run on other devices, sometimes even less powerful than x1 (according tothe feedback of other users).
That's why I'm asking myself the question why it is that way.
Is the stock rom so ****ty or is there any other fundamental factors that affect the performance of my phone? Is there probably a guide for tuning the phone for its top performance, perhaps I missed something in configuration?
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro&showhide=true&D1=SonyEricsson
here you can compare performance
strange
Rudegar said:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro&showhide=true&D1=SonyEricsson
here you can compare performance
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lol, if you compare the X2 with X1, then it is even slower!!!
(http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro&showhide=true&D1=SonyEricsson X1i XPERIA&D2=SonyEricsson X2 XPERIA Vulcan)
But I don't trust it anyways because how can integer and floating point calculation differ so much, if it is the exact same core (except the X2 core was clocked down)??
guess driver could cause that as the x1 they tested would of cause be offcial 6.1 rom
and the x2 the maybe prereleased 6.5
thanks but prolly any tweaks except xperia tweak that can help to get max of the device?
AFAIK, best thing you can do is to find fast rom.
About performance: compared to other windows mobile devices is not so slow. In some tests is even faster than HTC HD/TP2.(CLICK)
prollz you get me wrong. All that benchmarks are neat and nice, I'm just asking what can be actually done to configure X1 to get the maximum performance out of it.
also check this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459328
thanks, gonna try it out once more. But afair sd tune up isn't needed with the r3aa rom, is it?