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Very confused, have read all over... Help!!

New owner of a BA (O2 Xda IIs branded)
ROM:
Helmi BA WM2k5 AKU3.5 v1.4 Vanilla
Boot screen after a reset shows:
R: 1.15.00
G: 1337.45
D: 5.04.09.WWE
System Settings, About shows:
MW5 w/ the Messaging and Security Feature Pack
OS 5.1.195 (build 15698.3.5.0)
Applied patches:
BT Icon
Camera Patch
Flight Mode Patch
Applied registry changes:
Timezone and time update (doesn't seem to work)
I have looked all over the wiki and the forums trying to figure out if I have the latest versions of everything, and to say the least I'm confused.
I keep seeing references to the iMate BT stack upgrade, Helmi's BT Widcomm BT upgrade, the seven or more other BT upgrades on the FTP. My eyes are starting to cross.
There is getting the audio (OS, media player, etc) to be redirected to the BT headset vs the device itself (can't figure this one out)
There is the Cyberon voice dialer vs MS VC 1.5/1.6. From what I can tell, VC 1.5 doesn't work, but 1.6 does, which I can't get to install, and either one is supposed to be better than the Cyberon dialer (which I did install).
And then there is the BT file sending and receiving stuff, which I can't seem to find anything on either.
Nor what is OK to install from the massive amount of tools and utilities on the FTP server...
The wiki doesn't really seem to cover this stuff in an order that I can figure out, so I'm posting for help.
(Yes, I did try to figure things out, but after I had to nuke, repave and resync my handheld after a bad Widcomm BT 1.0.0.3900 upgrade package install, I decided to ask).
Does anyone have any advice? If I can get enough of this info together, I'll be more than happy to update or add a page to the wiki.

OK, pretty much all of your questions have been answered numerous times before in other threads - you just need to look beyond the most recent page.
How do you know about the common problems, but you still can't find the solutions? They are usually on the same threads!
A good way of doing this is by using the search tool on the main nav bar. As I am very nice , I have given you a few of the answers to your problems:
BT Send and Recieve - I use xplode's AKU 3.5, which has no bluetooth send function in File Explorer. I am not in the know about whether Helmi's ROM has this. If not, the best option is Resco's excellent File Explorer 2005 - I purchased it, and have never regretted it. It includes numerous improvements to the standard File Explorer, including sending and recieving files via Bluetooth.
This is my reccomendation on that one
BT Headsets - I do not own one of these, so can't help you here, but I have heard it frequently mentioned on the forum, so look around.
Voice diallers - To be honest, it depends on which one you like the best personally - both have most of the same features. I suggest you try M$ VC 1.6, then 1.5 and if either of them work, be thankful for what you have
Tools on FTP - Due to a high number of viruses on their recently, I suggest you stear away unless you have a reason (which you don't seem to) and you know what you are doing.
BT Stacks - These are separate software - they are not different versions. I suggest you use MS stack, as it has the most support from other sofware - widdcom is oftem not supported. And I suggest you stop fretting about whether you have the latest version! You don't have any reason to want it!
This is all I can help you with.
If any of this is not accurate, I'm sorry, but I'm only trying to help. I don't know everything there is to know YET

hardingt0110 said:
OK, pretty much all of your questions have been answered numerous times before in other threads - you just need to look beyond the most recent page.
How do you know about the common problems, but you still can't find the solutions? They are usually on the same threads!
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I have, and the answers are either for older versions of the ROM, or refer to having something on the device (say, the BT stack) be a certain version, which I can't figure out which one I have.
Here's as example: Trying to find out how to find which BT stack I have and the version/build. Hit the advanced forum search, limit the search to just the BA forums, search for "find bluetooth build", get 30 threads, many of which have over 200+ posts, many of which are a year or more old.
Searching for "switch, widcomm, microsoft, stack, wm5" brings up two threads, one which say don't do the tutorial listed on another site, it will brick the phone, and the other is discussing another cooked ROM and doesn't say anything about switching the stack.
Then there are things like this post about removing the 3 second ring delay and making sure the ringer is really loud (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=258109). I ran across that one doing the above listed search. No where in the wiki that I saw under the BA pages was that listed.
hardingt0110 said:
A good way of doing this is by using the search tool on the main nav bar.
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Yes, I am quite familiar with the search function.
hardingt0110 said:
As I am very nice , I have given you a few of the answers to your problems:
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While I do appreciate your effort, I'm afraid that none of my questions were answered.
BT send/receive, you say you don't know about Helmi's ROM as you don't use it, then recommend another piece of software (which I will look into, thanks)
Audio over the BT headset, you say you don't have one so you can't help.
Voice dialer, you suggest to try the MS ones, which I have said I have yet to find anything that states it will work on the ROM I have installed, much less where to find it.
FTP server virus scare. Eh, I'm not worried. I've very careful with unknown files and have AV and firewall software on the machine I run active sync on.
BT Stacks: There are different builds/versions out there from Widcomm, and I can't find anything on the MS stack. And yes I am going to worry about the different versions as there are reports of the various builds having better or worse performance and features.
I'm still confused on a lot of things. I'm trying to organize what I do find, but as I keep finding conflicting information, I'm getting no where.
I di thank you for the reply tho, and the pointer to the program. I still want to know about the ROM that is on my device tho.

jdc,
you got one of the best & the latest wm5 BA roms around. the choices anyway are xplode's aku 3.5, helmi's aku3.5 rom kitchen (similar to the vanilla version) & helmi/logout ROM.
if you want to add the latest additional programs, go download one of the earlier aku 3.5 v1.4 rom (non-vanilla) of helmi or xplode's aku 3.3 rom and extract the extended rom, add the dir to your storage card & reflash.
stop looking for newer versions at the ftp, all the threads of helmi & xplode are informative & comprehensive enough to answer your querries or provide you with the programs you may need. do check out the earlier aku3.3 threads of both so you can have an idea of what you are getting from the latest aku3.5roms. most if not all the progs you need are all there.
most of the confusion you have is because you strayed away from the thread you got the rom from. like the ms bt stack which is built-in in all the roms above, if you don't have problems with it then stick with it. if you read through the widcomm bt stack thread of helmi you will find out why some PREFER it. stress on that word because eventually it's your decision, like me i use ms bt because it serves my purpose well - i don't need to stream music to bt stereo headset, or transfer files using bt.
ms voice command v1.6 also works well in the roms. check out your version & file.
if you have any problem with other things, checkout the thread first before posting your problem & when you do post include all the info on your problem: i.e. bt reception problem using ms bt stack & hb200 in helmi aku3.x rom.
the ftp is a mix compilation of test files, new releases, & some very specific to a rom version. if you want to d/l something make sure it's from the directory of the rom ou have - ie.: helmi_c or xplode. stray from it at your own risk.
don't expect too much from wiki either, although the forum is moderated there are so much information to gather & compile to be as comprehensive for newbies. stick to the threads i've mentioned above, they are as good as the wiki. besides, xda-dev is not the iMate or Qtek or O2 forum where support is expected for the roms they publish. most of members here are enthusiast & sharing precious time & skills for free & for fun. (xda)-DEVELOPERS not users, although most users have benefited from it.
please don't get me wrong & get offended, i'm sparing you the bashing which others might give you for your post. oh i forgot, i'm a BA newbie too. "i've read all over", tried the roms, DECIDED to stick with it, and live with it & all the limitations this aku 3.5 brings (like smart dialing).
cheers!

rhmartin said:
jdc,
you got one of the best & the latest wm5 BA roms around. the choices anyway are xplode's aku 3.5, helmi's aku3.5 rom kitchen (similar to the vanilla version) & helmi/logout ROM.
if you want to add the latest additional programs, go download one of the earlier aku 3.5 v1.4 rom (non-vanilla) of helmi or xplode's aku 3.3 rom and extract the extended rom, add the dir to your storage card & reflash.
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*snip advice for finding apps for the ROM, which BT stack is in the ROM, and MS VC info*
OK, got it. That's what I was trying to figure out, thank you very much for the info.
rhmartin said:
don't expect too much from wiki either, although the forum is moderated there are so much information to gather & compile to be as comprehensive for newbies. stick to the threads i've mentioned above, they are as good as the wiki.
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Ok, I will do this. The amount of information at this site is overwhelming to say the least. My first stop has always been the wiki (which is what a newbie is supposed to do), followed by the forum search. I have spent days worth of time searching and reading both trying to figure things out before I posted anything (I've been reading the following the site as much as I can since the BA was the top of the line phone). Due to the amount of people always stating to check the wiki made it seem that the wiki was the final repository of information, which it isn't always per your post. This alone will help me find the info I may be looking for as I won't have to spend so much time looking both places and getting more and more frustrated in the process.
rhmartin said:
besides, xda-dev is not the iMate or Qtek or O2 forum where support is expected for the roms they publish. most of members here are enthusiast & sharing precious time & skills for free & for fun. (xda)-DEVELOPERS not users, although most users have benefited from it.
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Oh, believe me, I know this and don't expect the developers to drop everything, as it were, to answer any and all questions that come their way (I see enough people on some open source project mailing lists who do that already).
In fact, I went and signed up for a MSDN account today. I didn't see any info on developing for MW6, just 5 at the moment, but I hope that I will be able to give back to the community that has provided such a great resource.
rhmartin said:
please don't get me wrong & get offended, i'm sparing you the bashing which others might give you for your post. oh i forgot, i'm a BA newbie too. "i've read all over", tried the roms, DECIDED to stick with it, and live with it & all the limitations this aku 3.5 brings (like smart dialing).
cheers!
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Oh, I'm not offended in the least. You have provided me with good information, answered some of the sticking points I was running into, and gave me some very good advice and pointers on where to go from here. This is perfect for me. Now i know a bit more than I did before and know where to look.
I have no problem RTFMing, as it were, I just need to know where TFM is. :-D
Thanks again!

New to the tilt, advice needed...

Ok, so I have the tools to load some roms, and have tried a couple roms already, schap (sp?) and one other I can't remember the name of.
What I would like some advice on is this.
What is the Rom that speeds this phoe up the most.
Is there a list of cabs, both oem and aftermarket, that I can pick and choose from?
But most of all I want speed.I hate how slow this phone is.

Oh yes, also, my radio version is 1.27.12.11.
Should this be updated, or are different radio versions needed for different roms?
I have att phone......

I'm relatively new too. However, I think you could easily get ten different answers to the "Favorite ROM" question (or even the "fastest ROM"). I've now tried all the major ones and, to be honest, I'm not positive which is the fastest even for my particular uses. I prefer lighter ROMs because I install a fair amount of .cabs and that changes everything as far as performance. Currently using Dutty's V2 (medium). Also like Alex's ultraclean and Q's (will be flashing his latest tonight probably). Test them out and play with them to figure out what works for you and your needs. Do you want all the multimedia capabilities? Do you want a cube? Which standard apps (.pdf reader, task manager, etc.) do you want to use? A good start is the upgrading board and just reading the threads related to the newest ROM versions.
Yes, there may be a recommended radio for each specific ROM.
Great source of .cabs here - http://www.cinetsystems.com/xda/Kaiser Cab Collections/
BTW - someone recently did true performance specs of a bunch of the major ROMs. There is an excel file floating around. But, to be honest, it didn't mean much to me. How the ROM works "out of the box" and how it works once you've added your preferred programs may be different.
If I may make a friendly suggestion - READ, READ, READ. I've spent a lot of free time on here trying to learn and, as a result, have never been flamed. 99.9% of any questions you'll find have already been asked. There are some amazingly knowledgeable people on here that truly want to help. What they don't want is newbies (like me) to expect to be spoonfed when the answer to my question is out there and can be found as the result of a simple search. Use the Google search function in each board. It's your friend.
Good luck. It's an addiction....

Thanks for the help..... I'll just read read read..... forums are nothing new, so I can search search as well.....

Windows 6.1 to 6.5

Okay, I searched and searched and I couldn't find a good solid answer.
I have Windows 6.1 Professional on my Tilt with Shifu's v19 ROM. I want to know if it's possible to flash a Windows 6.5 cooked ROM onto my phone.
Thanks in advance to a post I missed or any help.

daaaaayyummmm duuuuuddddeeee!!!
no need to search! isn't the ENTIRE Kaiser ROM Development section solid enough proof for you that 6.5 is possible and indeed a reality for quite a few Kaiser users on this forum?

Lol. Dude I'm completely new to this. I thought maybe if your phone came with 6.1, you could only use 6.1 ROMs.
I kinda feel dumb now.

huh? ummm the Kaiser was officially/originally released with WM6.0. people were flashing cooked WM6.1 before HTC released their own official WM6.1 update. WM6.5 will never officially come for the Kaiser. your phone already has a cooked ROM, certainly HTC didn't put it on there and you'll find all the ROMs, resources, and tutorials right here by searching to get a cooked WM6.5 on your phone, just like someone originally went through the same process to put the cooked WM6.1 you have on your device right now.
WM6.5 is an EVOLUTION of WM6.1 and so your device sees it no differently. typically, your upgrade paths become limited at best ONLY when a drastically different OS is released (such as the upcoming WM7, which will likely NOT run at all on the Kaiser, or Google's Android, for which you have to jump through quite a few hoops to get it working on your Kaiser).
for suggestions of good WM6.5 ROMs, see my signature. alternatively, it is better to read up about all the ROMs that seem interesting to YOU and try them out until you find one that works well for your purposes.

Ah okay. I put the existing ROM on there btw lol. I taught myself how to flash them, I just didn't know the details. Thanks for that explanation though. It really helped. That definitely broadens my variety lol.

well then you're half way there!
just be sure to read the FAQ of the particular WM6.5 ROM you pick. the flashing procedure for WM6.5 is pretty much the same as what you have taught yourself for WM6.1 except for a few subtle precautionary steps and changes in the sequence of steps (that don't take much time to execute and will likely save you unnecessary trouble down the road). once again, be sure to read the FAQ to understand the steps i'm talking about.
finally, you should also know that it is completely possible to move from WM6.5 to WM6.1 or even back to WM6.0 and then back to WM6.1 or WM6.5 or what have you, just as long as you follow the steps and satisfy the constraints (matching the radio, matching the SPL, etc, etc).

Thanks again. I appreciate everything. You were 100% helpful.

ASCIIker said:
well then you're half way there!
just be sure to read the FAQ of the particular WM6.5 ROM you pick. the flashing procedure for WM6.5 is pretty much the same as what you have taught yourself for WM6.1 except for a few subtle precautionary steps and changes in the sequence of steps (that don't take much time to execute and will likely save you unnecessary trouble down the road). once again, be sure to read the FAQ to understand the steps i'm talking about.
finally, you should also know that it is completely possible to move from WM6.5 to WM6.1 or even back to WM6.0 and then back to WM6.1 or WM6.5 or what have you, just as long as you follow the steps and satisfy the constraints (matching the radio, matching the SPL, etc, etc).
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I have TPC's 6.5 on my Tilt. Works great. One tip, no matter who's ROM you choose, use the cleanest version you can. I'm using TPC's Chump version. 6.5 wasn't designed for the smaller memory of the Tilt. A loaded ROM version uses up too much memory and leaves very little for apps. I use SPB Mobile Shell. It wouldn't install with the loaded TPC ROM.

Seriously...what is the best WinMo 6.5 for this phone?

Hi all, new here and very interested in Kaiser customization and modding!
My very basic question is...what is really the BEST WinMo 6.5 ROM for the Kaiser? My model is the ATT Tilt...dont think that matters though.
I have installed a few different ROMs and while some of them are OK most have UI problems (weird side orientation, stretch icons, very unresponsive touch commands, etc...) and just dont seem to work "right" for lack of a better word.
Ive been searching for just the plain jane vanilla WinMo 6.5 ROM as I am looking to get just the basic OS and install the programs I want and need...not what someone else thinks is good. I cant seem to find one though...all the "vanilla" versions of ROMs Ive found seem to still have unnecessary programs (RAM cleaner, various themes, unresponsive programs, etc...) and aren't really "vanilla"...
Also, as a side question...when I was researching about flashing my phone a lot of people said to make sure to note my radio version and what not...except for each ROM Ive tried my radio information and everything else associated with it havent change...is this normal? I must admit that I currently do not use ATT and cant test the phones working status (got the phone via trade) and was wondering if the original radio version still the same, it should work no problem right?
Thanks to everyone that is willing to help a n00b!

Well, as far as BEST is concerned...there really is no best ROM out there...this question has been asked time and time again on more than likely everyone of these forums on XDA, and the answer is always the same. Keep flashing until you find one that YOU like and that suits YOUR everyday needs. I for example like the fully loaded STAXX STYLES WM 6.5.1 ROM...which you may end up hateing because of all the preinstalled stuff. Just flash a bunch of different ones until you find what you like.
And in regards to your radio question...some ROMs include an upgraded or different radio, and some do not. Most of the time the recommended radio ROM will be listed on the ROMs download thread. Different runs of the Kaiser require different radio ROMs in order for WiFi, GPS, GPRS and the camera to function. So basically, flash to a ROM that you wan't to try, and test it with the radio ROM that you already have installed. If everything functions correctly, there is no real reason to change it. If something does NOT function, try flashing to the radio ROM that the ROM cook reccomends...and if none is recommended simply use the latest one.

The best ROM is subjective and a personal opinion..
The best thing you can do is look @ popular threads and see what's peoples opinions, then flash, flash, flash till you find the ROM your happy to use for everyday purpose.
Just as we do with all best ROM threads, thread closed.

Really Can't make sense of it all

There needs to be a dummies guide to this. I can't make sense of it all. I find literally hundreds of ROMs and then find dozens of builds for each one. I can't take it anymore! All I want is something that removes the bloatware, runs faster than the stock Tilt 2 ROM, doesn't lose any capabilities such as keyboards, etc, lets SPB MS 3.5 run faster, and lets me tether.
Why don't the chef's at least provide a simple list of their ROMs and what they do, what works better and what doesn't work with that particular ROM? I've been digging through this site for two weeks now and I'm not even any closer to knowing what to flash now than when I started. I know from other searches that the Mods tend to close requests like this, but I'm really stumped and I really have tried. I'm not an idiot by any means. I do understand that these are being provided for free and that I should be appreciative....and I am. But it seems to me that even the devs themselves would benefit from this so they wouldn't duplicate each others work and would be able to better track what they are doing.
Anyways, any suggestions for the ROM to do what I want?

kfreels said:
There needs to be a dummies guide to this. I can't make sense of it all. I find literally hundreds of ROMs and then find dozens of builds for each one. I can't take it anymore! All I want is something that removes the bloatware, runs faster than the stock Tilt 2 ROM, doesn't lose any capabilities such as keyboards, etc, lets SPB MS 3.5 run faster, and lets me tether.
Why don't the chef's at least provide a simple list of their ROMs and what they do, what works better and what doesn't work with that particular ROM? I've been digging through this site for two weeks now and I'm not even any closer to knowing what to flash now than when I started. I know from other searches that the Mods tend to close requests like this, but I'm really stumped and I really have tried. I'm not an idiot by any means. I do understand that these are being provided for free and that I should be appreciative....and I am. But it seems to me that even the devs themselves would benefit from this so they wouldn't duplicate each others work and would be able to better track what they are doing.
Anyways, any suggestions for the ROM to do what I want?
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What you do is flash one and see if you like it. If not, it is quite simple to flash another.
Try the Titanium 2 Jun NRG ROM and see what you think. It has no Sense version at all, which increases the storage memory size.
http://www.fileserve.com/list/X9nQc65
EDIT: I am assuming that you have read the "Flashing for NOOB" and the "Hard SPL" threads, you need both to be able to flash a custom ROM.

I have pretty much tried all of the ROMs but I reallly like only 2 ROMs. The best one for me is Cell Evo V7 (23541) (the link to thread. I have just flashed Josh's ROM. n i havent had any problem yet. I use the Sense 2.1. (its in my sig) I think 2.5 is still very buggy. so that maybe somethin u may wanna try out. I think the evo one is the most stable! but this is all just my own opinion. u may or may not like them!

Thanks for the tips. I have read the pages you mentioned and I understand that flashing in itself is a simple process. But for me, it's not just the flashing. I have to flash, install SPB MS and all of my apps, setup my weather, my exchange server and sync my contacts, configure active-sync, apply all my tweaks and then the phone is ready to use. Then if I don't like a ROM because it is slow or buggy, I'll have to do it all again......
At least that's how I picture it. Now if you are telling me that I don't have to go through all that each time, then I'll be a happy camper, but I suspect I am right on this.
What is a "sense" version that you are referring to?
Also, if you could explain the difference between a light, full and normal build that would be nice.
And what the deal is with finding matching "radios" whatever that is about.
And what is a "manila"?
And the problem with keyboards???? Do most ROMS have trouble using the keyboard? What other issues might I encounter while trying to use the normal functions of the device?
There's a lot of jargon here and I just don't see a single place that explains it all.

kfreels said:
Thanks for the tips. I have read the pages you mentioned and I understand that flashing in itself is a simple process. But for me, it's not just the flashing. I have to flash, install SPB MS and all of my apps, setup my weather, my exchange server and sync my contacts, configure active-sync, apply all my tweaks and then the phone is ready to use. Then if I don't like a ROM because it is slow or buggy, I'll have to do it all again......
At least that's how I picture it. Now if you are telling me that I don't have to go through all that each time, then I'll be a happy camper, but I suspect I am right on this.
What is a "sense" version that you are referring to?
Also, if you could explain the difference between a light, full and normal build that would be nice.
And what the deal is with finding matching "radios" whatever that is about.
And what is a "manila"?
And the problem with keyboards???? Do most ROMS have trouble using the keyboard? What other issues might I encounter while trying to use the normal functions of the device?
There's a lot of jargon here and I just don't see a single place that explains it all.
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Manilla = Sense. "Sense" is the name that HTC uses for their UI. There are two major versions, 2.1 and 2.5 (newest). There is also an older UI called TF3D (TouchFlo 3D).
Matching radios refers to flashing your radio with different firmware. The device has ROM versions, which is what everyone is referring to, and the Radio has a different version. Some people prefer a certain radio, some ROMs recommend a certain radio. I'm using NRG, and have never updated my radio version.
Keyboards. Most ROMS will not automatically map your keyboard (AT&T and T-Mobile have different mappings - the exception is a ROM built for a specific carrier). The reason is simple - the Chef doesn't know what carrier you are using! On the NRG ROMs, there is a tool included to "provision" your device for your carrier; this fixes the keyboard. Or you can do a search and find the right keyboard .cab file for your device.
- Light, medium, and full. I personally don't use these terms, but my definition would be as follows. Light is a ROM that has very little added functionality other than what Microsoft provided with the operating system. Full is a ROM (like NRG) that has lots of custom stuff baked into the ROM - extra utilities and etc., which are useful to you (in the Chef's opinion). A medium would be somewhere in between.
I would include the stock ROM as a "Full" ROM, except that in their case a lot of their software is "bloatware", which means stuff they added because they could, or they had some kind of deal with a particular company, etc. It is called "bloatware" because it seems to serve only the purpose of making the ROM harder to use and cluttering up the menu system with lots of useless stuff - bloated.
Are you a happier camper?

two of your best bets are gonna be the
e2 rom and the nrg version of your choise
e2 rom is almost exatly like the att stock but a lot sexier

jdm_labrat said:
two of your best bets are gonna be the
e2 rom and the nrg version of your choise
e2 rom is almost exatly like the att stock but a lot sexier
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Umm, speaking personally, I'm not sure I want a "sexy" TP2!

Ah. That explains a lot. Thanks for the info. Maybe one day when I'm no longer a dummy I'll write a dummies guide. Until then, thanks for the tips.

Hi,
I had the same problem as you, I just wanted a stock rom without all the extra stuff that htc provides, I wanted to be simple, fast and stable, after flashing a lot of ROM I decided to take the problem in my own hands so I started learning how to cook my own ROM, you have a very good guide about how to do that here.
After reading and understanding this guide you can create your own ROMs just the way you like it.
Maybe just like me you will not succeed for the first time, but in the end you will have a ROM cooked by you and will suite all your needs.
Good luck!