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When will we start getting games that don't SUCK such as envrio bear 2010?

http://www.enviro-bear.com/
godddddd look at that, I WANT that! How much longer are we gonna be stuck with card games, puzzle games, netmite or whatever that publisher is who puts out 80 thousand games a week and none of them work, etc etc
Don't recommend any games currently in the market because they all SUCK besides robo defense, and don't tell me to "just get an iphone" because I'm not buying a POS just to drive a car as a bear
ugh linux, I hate it, someone tell me to code a good game myself and then link me to where I start

steveyos said:
http://www.enviro-bear.com/
godddddd look at that, I WANT that! How much longer are we gonna be stuck with card games, puzzle games, netmite or whatever that publisher is who puts out 80 thousand games a week and none of them work, etc
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Probably for a long long time. Unlike Android, the iPhone OS is a single-device platform. When a game developer can expect its software to run only on a single device, its a lot easier to optimize and tailor the code. As for Android, there are three major shortcomings when it comes to games:
1. Android has a smaller marketshare. Making a high quality game takes a sizeable staff of not just programmers but artists, sound recorders, marketing, etc. Most companies are going to do what's best for their bottom line: invest in the platform that has the highest potential for return and then recycle that codebase onto other platforms where possible.
2. Android apps (for the most part) are interpreted VM apps. Interpreted languages without JIT compilers tend to run a lot slower than a native or a JIT interpreted app. Combine this with the fact that the first crop of Android devices are just inherently slower/lower specced than iPhone hardware.
3. Android is a device-agnostic platform. Meaning it can theoretically go on anything from a toaster to a x86 netbook. Even if a developer only targeted mass market Android phone devices, you're still talking about a very large spread between low end and high end hardware. The kind of games that run well on both low and high end hardware tend to be-- yup, card and puzzle games.
Although since Android is open source, the possibility for it to be customized into a gaming-phone platform could break it out of this mold. Basically, some company could take the core Android OS and then build their own single-device platform on top of that. Anyone who comes from the PalmOS world will know exactly what im saying when I say Tapwave Zodiac.
Anyway, I know you said you didn't want to hear this, and as a staunch Apple-hater it pains me to say it myself, but you should probably just get an iPhone if phone gaming is that important to you.

I'm happy with my SNES, NES and Genesis emulators. Got over 700 games for all of them on my SD Card.
What's an iPhone?

so apps is what you want
actully i dont know if this will make people happy or not but if you google on your desktop andriod games apks. you can down load them for free and use astro to install on phone games like midnight pool bowling asphalt 3 racing gutiar hero etc. i have a couple but thats just a way.... right or wrong...
steveyos said:
http://www.enviro-bear.com/
godddddd look at that, I WANT that! How much longer are we gonna be stuck with card games, puzzle games, netmite or whatever that publisher is who puts out 80 thousand games a week and none of them work, etc etc
Don't recommend any games currently in the market because they all SUCK besides robo defense, and don't tell me to "just get an iphone" because I'm not buying a POS just to drive a car as a bear
ugh linux, I hate it, someone tell me to code a good game myself and then link me to where I start
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actualy there recently has been a lot of really good games coming out. so keep your eyes open they will be here soon enough.....

jashsu said:
Probably for a long long time. Unlike Android, the iPhone OS is a single-device platform. When a game developer can expect its software to run only on a single device, its a lot easier to optimize and tailor the code. As for Android, there are three major shortcomings when it comes to games:
1. Android has a smaller marketshare. Making a high quality game takes a sizeable staff of not just programmers but artists, sound recorders, marketing, etc. Most companies are going to do what's best for their bottom line: invest in the platform that has the highest potential for return and then recycle that codebase onto other platforms where possible.
2. Android apps (for the most part) are interpreted VM apps. Interpreted languages without JIT compilers tend to run a lot slower than a native or a JIT interpreted app. Combine this with the fact that the first crop of Android devices are just inherently slower/lower specced than iPhone hardware.
3. Android is a device-agnostic platform. Meaning it can theoretically go on anything from a toaster to a x86 netbook. Even if a developer only targeted mass market Android phone devices, you're still talking about a very large spread between low end and high end hardware. The kind of games that run well on both low and high end hardware tend to be-- yup, card and puzzle games.
Although since Android is open source, the possibility for it to be customized into a gaming-phone platform could break it out of this mold. Basically, some company could take the core Android OS and then build their own single-device platform on top of that. Anyone who comes from the PalmOS world will know exactly what im saying when I say Tapwave Zodiac.
Anyway, I know you said you didn't want to hear this, and as a staunch Apple-hater it pains me to say it myself, but you should probably just get an iPhone if phone gaming is that important to you.
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1. Yeah, sad but true
2. Yet another "WTF were they thinking?"
Now about it being able to run on low and high spec'd hardware, that sounds a bit liiiiiiikkeeeeeee......... computers. There's low specs, high specs, yet the gaming market for pc is doing fine since for the most part people who want to game buy gaming rigs, I don't see how this can't apply to the mobile world (laptops are pretty mobile that's kinda close). But yeah, google really mashed android up regardless
Gaming's not important enough to me to get an iAnything, I'm also saddened by the lack of <INMYOPINION> other apps, every time I check the market there's 50 new fart apps or HOT LADIEZ bull and you figure people would learn by now not everyone has a low enough IQ to appreciate that crap
I just don't see why we've gotta wait so long, it's not like android is the first phone to do this stuff, and it's not like it's really a new platform, but I guess it is a jumbled mess of an already jumbled mess which really put a dent in my already dented trust sheild for google

rob_h said:
I'm happy with my SNES, NES and Genesis emulators. Got over 700 games for all of them on my SD Card.
What's an iPhone?
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I played those consoles when they came out, I want something new and inventive on my new and inventive piece of plastic
dskyers said:
actully i dont know if this will make people happy or not but if you google on your desktop andriod games apks. you can down load them for free and use astro to install on phone games like midnight pool bowling asphalt 3 racing gutiar hero etc. i have a couple but thats just a way.... right or wrong...
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Pool and bowling are things you do with friends in the real world, racing too though I've been told you're not supposed to but what do cops know, and the day I play guitar hero is the day that doesn't exist
Just saying I'd like something new and inventive, not the same ol' same ol' you can get on old nokias
Freedomcaller said:
actualy there recently has been a lot of really good games coming out. so keep your eyes open they will be here soon enough.....
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If you're saying there's good games already on the market, the our opinions differ
I've got a friend with an iphone who's been coding for like 14 years, and has a six figure income thanks to it. I've almost convinced him to switch to android, since he hates the iphone and apple anyway. If anyone has any good links for android development, post 'em, and then wait because he's currently in the process of moving and I'm currently trying to stop my hands from going numb (oh the joys of growing old, my b-day's july 25th, I'll be 22 this year!) we plan on giving android a go anyway

The new palm OS isn't really better than android is it? I haven't bothered to check out the pré since I can't use mini keyboards designed for babies when companies put those on their phones I tend to automatically assume the rest of the ins and outs of the phone suck too

steveyos said:
The new palm OS isn't really better than android is it? I haven't bothered to check out the pré since I can't use mini keyboards designed for babies when companies put those on their phones I tend to automatically assume the rest of the ins and outs of the phone suck too
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Better is too broad a stroke. It has strengths and weaknesses, just like every smartphone operating system out there. Even winmo has many notable positive aspects (none relating to usability, unfortunately).
You should really give those tic-tac keyboards a try. They might seem like a joke at first but i've seen folks really pound away at them. The key is that they are small enough so you don't have to move your thumbs very far to get to a key, which should mean faster typing. But the key shape and travel has to be well designed so you don't accidentally press two or three keys at once.
Don't count anything out until you've tried it.

jashsu said:
Better is too broad a stroke. It has strengths and weaknesses, just like every smartphone operating system out there. Even winmo has many notable positive aspects (none relating to usability, unfortunately).
You should really give those tic-tac keyboards a try. They might seem like a joke at first but i've seen folks really pound away at them. The key is that they are small enough so you don't have to move your thumbs very far to get to a key, which should mean faster typing. But the key shape and travel has to be well designed so you don't accidentally press two or three keys at once.
Don't count anything out until you've tried it.
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I've had the Q and Q9a both had those midget keyboards and both made my wrists feel like they were getting run over by a monster truck with wheels dipped in sticky acid then ran over glass
Besides I'd rather stick with android because I hate it the least

Just to let you know, enviro-bear was actually a free game for the pc at start.
http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=4964.0

We could use some new games with better graffix now!!

i dont think ne good games with awsome graphics are coming out ne time soon maybe with a new android device just like they did with the iphone 3g to the iphone 3gs

Tap Tap Revenge (Demand It)

It appears that Tapulouse the developers of ever so popular iPhone applications such as Tap Tap Revenge, Twinkle, Fortune and now Collage, are eyeballing the Android platform for a port of Tap Tap Revenge. A developer has commented saying, “if there is a lot of demand for it, you never know . . ."
Sounds like it is all in the hands of Android users at this point. Tap Tap Revenge is the iPhone equivalent to Guitar Hero. With the same basic concept, this application puts your rhythm skills to the test in all new ways. Tap your way through the basic beat of a song or shake left and right as the arrows fall.
Right now Tap Tap Revenge is free for the iPhone with more than 40 free songs. Tapulous has even released a Nine Inch Nails version of the popular game for NIN fans. Best of all they offer Tap Tap Thursdays where every week they feature a free new exclusive track from top artist. If that wasn’t enough they also offer weekend contests and giveaway prizes that range from iTunes giftcards to backstage passes to meet your favorite rock stars. Tap Tap Revenge has been on my iPhone since day one, now I want to see it on my G1! How many of you would also like to see Tap Tap Revenge in the Android Market?
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This was posted the 14th of November 2008. How about all of us that want this game go over to their website and start demanding ? Or post a comment as your demand on here, maybe they'll come across this thread some how and consider porting the game to the android phone.

yeah thats one of the few things i missed when leaving the iPhone scene... id love to see tap tap for android. i remember playing tap tap before it was even in the app store lol

THe Have Frets of Fire now on Android im playing it now its calls Taps of fire

nick8197 said:
THe Have Frets of Fire now on Android im playing it now its calls Taps of fire
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Yeah, but due to the lack of multi-touch, its pretty hard to play for me.. i guess im just bad at that game

I sent an e-mail to the company when the NIN version was released. I never heard back.
Guess I will give it another try.

alabasta10 said:
Yeah, but due to the lack of multi-touch, its pretty hard to play for me.. i guess im just bad at that game
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It works if your on a rooted rom like cyanogen you have to press both at the same time on the note

Iphone rape?

Is it possible to create an android iphone emulator, like we have wine in linux, and then rape there market place, so that not only do we have all our apps available but all iphone apps as well?

you might wanna look up the abreviation "wine", it stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator, which tries to tell you that wine is not an emulator.
and no, it is not possible. too complicated and not enough computing power.

I laughed at this.

Sounds like this thread should be in a completely different forum/website
I was almost confused as to what the OP was getting at, based purely on your Thread subject title

shokka9 said:
Sounds like this thread should be in a completely different forum/website
I was almost confused as to what the OP was getting at, based purely on your Thread subject title
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that also. everybody tries to use a decent voice around here, and then this.

Maybe make a prayer to the Mobile OS GODS?

Tehmk said:
Maybe make a prayer to the Mobile OS GODS?
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or sacrifice a virgin (phone)...

Even if this was EVEN possible, Apple's just going to take being raped in the ass? Don't think so.

IMO, the iPhone has an iron clad ass that can't be "raped".
I have a 32gs and just got a Hero...android has alot of catching up to do...
On a side note, Mozilla is releasing "Fennec" which will be available for WM, Android, and the iPhone that will use universal web apps...Thats the only shot at leveling the app store playing field.

Iphone has great media capability, and I admire that but I do like the way I can customise and get apps that are virtually impossible on the Apple store. Android does have catching up but it's seems to be doing that pretty fast.

I can do anything with my 3gs that i could realistically do with my hero...
wifi router, tethering, multitasking (with a much better gui), download torrents, smart dialer, folders, themes, a cracked app store, much more conveinent toggles,mobile terminal, firewall, ad-blocker, flash drive, file explorer, stream media, download youtube vids,etc...there's even a different interface for the homescreen itself available..the only main diff i see is custom roms, which isnt even any kind of set back for the iphone...
A stock iphone really cant be compared to an Android device (especially one with a custom rom)in terms of out-of-the-box-functionality and abilities, but a jailbroken iphone is right on the same playing field from a user standpoint.

Your response is correct, to a point. A jailbroken iphone is a totally different device, I can flawlessly multitask with a beautiful interface, have a flash drive app/very easy ftp access, folders on homescreen, insane themes that change the entire look or even a different homescreens all together (Pogoplank), landscape homescreen, mobile terminal, file explorer,toggles,an "app store" with only cracked apps...blah blah blah..the list goes on and on..
point being is that an out-of-the-box iPhone really cant be compared to an Android device, but once you jail break its a level playing field-from a user stand point.

i said **** in a thread once and got given out to haha you make one called i phone rape and are still going strong... kudos!

civicvx94 said:
IMO, the iPhone has an iron clad ass that can't be "raped".
I have a 32gs and just got a Hero...android has alot of catching up to do...
On a side note, Mozilla is releasing "Fennec" which will be available for WM, Android, and the iPhone that will use universal web apps...Thats the only shot at leveling the app store playing field.
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Fennec will never be released on the iPhone
Apple never would accept it to the App Store like they did it on Opera

Xbox Live games - Everyone's first impressions?

So I'm sure almost all of you were dying to try out some of these Xbox Live games MS has been boasting about for months. And now that we have them a seclection of launch titles at our fingertips I'm curious what everyone besides me thinks of them so far?
I personally downloaded each one as a trial first to get a sense of how the presentation of these games were, how responsive and intuitive the controls were and if they were really worth the $5-7 price tag.
In the end I removed a few and kept a handful which I felt were my best choices overall.
I selected my top choices as:
- de Blob Revolution
- Flight Control
- Max & The Magic Marker
- MONOPOLY
- Need for Speed Underground
- Rocket Riot
- The Harvest
- Twin Blades
- Unite (best free game)
Now I will say some of the games appear to be just ports from other phones, some appear to have slightly improved graphics while some seem the same as their HD2 version (Monopoly & Sims 3). I found the best looking games in the marketplace to be de Blob Revolution, Max & The Magic Marker and Rocket Riot. Twin Blades is great too but looks a little dull almost as if it's not meant to be played at 480x800.
What do you all think so far? Do you think the early batch of released games is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of the quality of games we'll be seeing or do you all think we're seeing the full potential of what it's capable of?
I am in no ways a fan on the iPhone but will say that in comparison of quality of games on the iOS they have some pretty ridiculous games. If anyone has seen the build quality of Rage HD on iPhone it makes me cross my fingers that WP7 is capable of the same if not better.
However I've seen screen shots and footage of the upcoming game Ilomilo and it looks like it should show some better potential for much better looking games.

I wish they would make monopoly free.
However, with Xbox Live coming to our smartphones now, the possibilities are endless, especially with WP7. So I think games like Assassins Creed and Need for Speed make other platforms look so outdated.
In recent news, I heard Google Android is getting a bit intimidated by the WP7 update coming in January.
WP7 FOR LYFE!!!!!
WE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Multiplayer support, MS needs it now. I am not asking for anything real time but games like UNO or Monopoly should at least have turn by turn multiplayer. I feel that a platform based on XBOX Live should at the minimum have turn by turn.

I agree with you both. Other OS's are looking outdated (except for the iOS).. However I'm hoping that WP7 will be able to compete soon with the visual quality of iOS games. I don't know if it's hardware limitations that's holding WP7 back on this one but they need to step it up to truly compete.
And yes MS does need to impliment true XBOX Live multiplayer into their games ASAP. I recalled the iOS having some games that you could actually play multiplayer via bluetooth I believe. I mean if you can do it on the PSP you should be able to do it here. Local multiplayer via wi-fi, turn based on the same device is mandatory, and even some other kind of true Xbox Live experience is a must.

pistol44 said:
I agree with you both. Other OS's are looking outdated (except for the iOS).. However I'm hoping that WP7 will be able to compete soon with the visual quality of iOS games. I don't know if it's hardware limitations that's holding WP7 back on this one but they need to step it up to truly compete.
And yes MS does need to impliment true XBOX Live multiplayer into their games ASAP. I recalled the iOS having some games that you could actually play multiplayer via bluetooth I believe. I mean if you can do it on the PSP you should be able to do it here. Local multiplayer via wi-fi, turn based on the same device is mandatory, and even some other kind of true Xbox Live experience is a must.
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Well it is currently their claim to fame, I would at least like to see it used. As far as visual quality check out ilomilo. These phones can pump out some nice graphics but its up to us to make this platform successful enough to pull in these developers.

I believe most of these developers already recognize the ease of use as far as developing games and apps for wp7. In a recent article, developers voiced out about wp7's flexibility and how using VB has made it very easy for them to build and deploy apps.
And BTW, there are compatibility issues using VB 2010 for development. You have the option to build your own app.

I love oregon trail

we need xbox live service in malaysia...

carmeng4evr said:
I love oregon trail
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Do you know where it is, I can't find it in the marketplace?
Thanks
Dave

DaveShaw said:
Do you know where it is, I can't find it in the marketplace?
Thanks
Dave
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Maybe it's not available in your region. I'm in Canada and it's one of the 1st games that show up in the Xbox Marketplace.

Other OS look outdated? Android has the same assassins creed HD and has for months and has a beta port of rage HD up that easily rivals iOS. I have an HD7 and love the phone and cant wait for it to evolve in terms of games but if you think this is top-o-the line stuff then you're in for a pleasant suprise when they decide to catch up

z33dev33l said:
Other OS look outdated? Android has the same assassins creed HD and has for months and has a beta port of rage HD up that easily rivals iOS. I have an HD7 and love the phone and cant wait for it to evolve in terms of games but if you think this is top-o-the line stuff then you're in for a pleasant suprise when they decide to catch up
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Interesting, didn't know they had Rage HD for Android or that it was capable of a game like that..

strictly beta for the time being but I've seen it played on a captivate firsthand and its epic... In all actuality theres a few android phones that just kick the iphones hardware in the teeth. Itards just wont admit that we got something better at a lower price...

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Maybe it's not available in your region. I'm in Canada and it's one of the 1st games that show up in the Xbox Marketplace.
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Guess not
Thanks anyhow

DaveShaw said:
Do you know where it is, I can't find it in the marketplace?
Thanks
Dave
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Yeah, i am in the US.
I just type in Oregon trail and it shows up.
Isn't it true that some American Apps dont show up in other regions(kind of like how some Apps for Android only work for US support)

carmeng4evr said:
Yeah, i am in the US.
I just type in Oregon trail and it shows up.
Isn't it true that some American Apps dont show up in other regions(kind of like how some Apps for Android only work for US support)
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True it is Just like AT&T users get a free download of that great looking game Ilomilo and it only shows up in their marketplace but if others look for it there's nothing there.
I think there's a way to trick your phone and change regions to access apps from other countries by changing the country under Settings then Region and Language. But I could be wrong..

pistol44 said:
True it is Just like AT&T users get a free download of that great looking game Ilomilo and it only shows up in their marketplace but if others look for it there's nothing there.
I think there's a way to trick your phone and change regions to access apps from other countries by changing the country under Settings then Region and Language. But I could be wrong..
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I hear you on Ilomilo, I remembering emailing the devs before launch and asking them whether the app was going to be exclusive to at&t phones only or time exclusive and was told no. Then a few days later their site says its a timed exclusive. I was pretty peed off, he was nice about it and said he didn't know until last minute. Such a lovely game though.

Nds emulator now on market

Nds4droid is on market. Tried it but framerate is very low and stutter while playing . Do check it out! And share your experience also if you know any other nds emulator. Other than tiger ds

its £3.68 here, thats a lot for an app that is guaranteed to not work. Im not ready to invest in something that i wont get any use out of at all.

i think its improving
i bought it and have had 3 updates since 1.0 > v1.1.4
true its very slow, but i like the idea of having to play the whole nds game collection on dhd

will be fantastic to have that, however i think it will be a pipe dream for another 12 months or so, people have difficulty emulating the nds on computers, this is a monumental task

downesey said:
will be fantastic to have that, however i think it will be a pipe dream for another 12 months or so, people have difficulty emulating the nds on computers, this is a monumental task
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No problem here emulating the NDS on my PC to be honest.
Seems a bit weird they are charging for it already, but I suppose that pays for development.
Are the updates making it faster out of interest?

No real D-pads and fire buttons on DHD makes it really hard to get the same gaming experience from virtual controls. We'll end up with Experia play design if we did. Even with Android games with virtual pad and buttons I'm either crushing the screen to death or my thumbs don't slide around a picture of a d-pad that well.

Just got a recent upgrade , but I must admit still not playable. But am hoping it will get better and more enjoyable to play in the future. . It's a start !! Rather than no progress I don't mind baby steps