I apologize if this is the incorrect forum, but I felt it was a good place, as my question really is for the devs who cook up the ROMs. (Thank you for this forum btw!)
Currently it seems as though there is native Exchange support on only the Rogers and Hero roms. Hopefully I'm correct in this assumption.
My question is thus: I don't really care for the "slowness" of the current Hero ROMs, (though they are getting better) and I've struggled in finding a Rogers ROM that really "does it" for me.
Is there a way to include the native Exchange application into one of the other ROMs out there? (read: Cyan, Dude, JAC, etc)
Again, I apologize if this is a stupid question. I'm just trying to get Exchange working on my G1 so I can get rid of my work Blackberry and only carry around a single phone.
The problem with that is that the Exchange application included in the HTC versions of the ROMs are closed source and require the entire HTC framework they put around it. This makes it difficult for it to work without having to replace the entire rom framework for rom cookers.
So there is not an easy way to get the Exchange app into an already working rom without changing a lot of the inner workings of it to fit. Think of it like a square peg into a round hole.
Have you tried checking out one of the many exchange apps available in market?
I'd recommend the Cyanogenized Rogers RoM. Or if you want an app from the market, I recommend either Moxier Mail or Exchange by Touchdown. Both are amazing exchange applications. Around 25$ last time I checked.
All,
I know there are a bunch of folks out there with Tattoo and Hero 2.1 dumps cooking up some great new things. I was wondering, though - does any of this, especially Hero 2.1, offer hope to get BT working on G1s or will we face the same problems we did with the previous versions?
Thanks,
Vj99
firstly, this should really be in the QnA section
it is possible that bluetooth will be working to some extent now that the heros kernel source has been made open source
but we will probably need to wait for HTC to make the source available for 2.1
so probably not til its officially released unless there is some jiggery-pokery that can be done to make it work
I never could understand people's need to install proprietary UI's on their phones. And that is the only reason for possibly trying to install one of those incompatible builds.
Just stick with a build designed for DREAM and your bluetooth (as well as everything else) will work perfectly. No reason to beat your head against the wall when there is nothing to gain from it.
Always welcome people weighing in, but that said I have to say that any value of the replies is tempered by unnecessary comments about one's opinion that this should be elsewhere or wondering why someone would want something.
In short, I could phrase the same question 10 other ways and make it a development question. I also find other capabilities in these other firmwares that I value, so it is much more than a UI update.
For those who have upgraded to 2.2, how do you feel about it? Has the speed noticeably improved? More stability? More better?!
Just curious as to what those of us with non-N1 phones have to look forward to as this version gets released for other handsets.
I am also wondering if this: "Apps can now send information to the Google server and have it send the info to the phone, wake it up and even load up whatever info they want" means that there will FINALLY be some decent mail clients with PUSH. That's the one thing which keeps me thinking about my old BB is the instant e-mail...
Thanks!
Honestly, the new stuff that they added in make 2.2 a great step up... enabling JIT is HUGE and I dont think people realize how big this is...
The whole foundation and innards of the Android OS have been upgraded and become more efficient which is great for all phones but there is a ton of lacking to the nexus one rom itself which is why many people are going back to their custom 2.1 roms...
personally, something as simple as having black text overlay a white background in the messaging app is EXTREMELY annoying let alone showing the persons picture next to each message is an incredible waste of space... same gripes go for trackball colors, trackball wake, number overlay on the battery icon (right now im using the battery indicator app but its pretty janky if you ask me), launchers not working right, themes not working yet, native 360 home screen rotation (which they REALLY should have put in)... the list goes on really...
however, i am sticking it out on froyo to get a feel for the new radio, battery life changes (if any, mine seems to have tanked), use more flash, ect... i wanna get used to the new features because when CM6 drops its going to be peace and harmony again
on a side note, my Bloo 1.5 beta app wigs out on me ALOT more than it did in 2.1 which is annoying as well since i love the app!
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For those who have upgraded to 2.2, how do you feel about it? Has the speed noticeably improved? More stability? More better?!
Just curious as to what those of us with non-N1 phones have to look forward to as this version gets released for other handsets.
I am also wondering if this: "Apps can now send information to the Google server and have it send the info to the phone, wake it up and even load up whatever info they want" means that there will FINALLY be some decent mail clients with PUSH. That's the one thing which keeps me thinking about my old BB is the instant e-mail...
Thanks!
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Push email is up to the email provider. If MS or Yahoo wanted to they would have done an email app with push already.
JCopernicus, when I had a Palm Pre, any POP mail account I set up on that thing got "pushed" instantly, just like a Blackberry. Only it was actually faster than a Blackberrry - all emails showed up in about 1 second after being sent!
I don't know if it was technically "push" or what, but instant e-mail without polling a server is what I am talking about.
That was build into the Pre's WebOS...(there was no need to add clients or such.) With the Pre: Just use the mail app, input your email and password, and it's all set up. Worked very well. I am hoping for this on Android ASAP!
thanks.
JHaste, I know there is the new JIT in there - but does it actually FEEL much faster in normal use ;-)
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JCopernicus, when I had a Palm Pre, any POP mail account I set up on that thing got "pushed" instantly, just like a Blackberry. Only it was actually faster than a Blackberrry - all emails showed up in about 1 second after being sent!
I don't know if it was technically "push" or what, but instant e-mail without polling a server is what I am talking about.
That was build into the Pre's WebOS...(there was no need to add clients or such.) With the Pre: Just use the mail app, input your email and password, and it's all set up. Worked very well. I am hoping for this on Android ASAP!
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That's because palm worked with all those email providers to include push on palm devices.
I had no "provider", I have my own web site and POP off of that (server run by Bluehost), and it was instant email...
Do you mean they worked with every web site server company to implement push (there are thousands)? And Blackberry works with all of these companies individually too? (Anyway, if little ond Palm can do it, then Google should be able to figure it out ;-))
What ever they are doing I hope Google does the same. Getting email only every 15 or 30 minutes is a P.I.T.A., and the polling servers kills the battery on Android devices. Try setting it to every 5 minutes and your phone will not last half a day in my experience. Especially if you have several email accounts set up.
the browser is much much faster compared to before. i spend a lot of time browsing on my phone and every single site renders about twice as fast compared to before. other than the browser though, i have not used a single intensive application :/
For me froyo is fast in every way. I have problems with some 3rd party apps that need to be updated for froyo, but besides that, everything is great. I already updated 3 apps and waiting the update for 2 more. In the coming weeks we will see the apps being updated and the market access to paid apps will be there.
Can't imagine there will be consensus on Froyo, until sometime after it is officially released to the general population by Google. Sometime after OTA updates are widely occurring, when the broader community will have access to a genuinely official FROYO intended for and pushed to them by Google.
To expect consensus when we do not even know if it is THE official release to market, is jumping the gun. Judging by all the comments and issues around this forum....I am dearly hoping what the early adopters have, is NOT the official release.
In the mean time you will get plenty of Froyo Opinions, but little consensus I'd reckon.
I think once Cyanyogenmod comes out, we will have the best of both worlds, and my gripes will be eased.
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Can't imagine there will be consensus on Froyo, until sometime after it is officially released to the general population by Google. Sometime after OTA updates are widely occurring, when the broader community will have access to a genuinely official FROYO intended for and pushed to them by Google.
To expect consensus when we do not even know if it is THE official release to market, is jumping the gun. Judging by all the comments and issues around this forum....I am dearly hoping what the early adopters have, is NOT the official release.
In the mean time you will get plenty of Froyo Opinions, but little consensus I'd reckon.
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hate to burst your bubble of hope but this is the release that we were waiting for... it has the framework for flash to run, JIT is enabled, ect, ect... and it obviously has all of the drivers meant for the N1 since our phones are running it fine...
I dont know why everyone was expecting a 1.6 to 2.0 leap... this is an incremental leap just like 2.0 to 2.1, it has some nice new features and cleaned up a few things but it is not ground breaking... like i said before it really just made the whole android os more efficient and snappier with JIT enabled and yes I can tell a difference on just about any app
this has everything google said it was going to have... not its up to our lovely devs to make it shine! and there might be other little goodies that the devs can now do that they couldnt on 2.1...
after all the hype surrounding this new release, it's not all that great. Don't get me wrong, I like some of the added features but there are people talking about how much faster it is ... thinking those people were coming from a junked up flash anyways. Anytime you wipe and reinstall everything always seems a little nicer.
Overall, I think it's nice but definitely not worth all the hype. Still on the fence about doing cyan or another rom ... they seem to have their share of issues as well and at present I am just fine with a rooted stock ROM. Shame no one has taken the time to come up with MetaMorphs for the stock ROMs.
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the browser is much much faster compared to before. :/
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With Adobe Flash installed browsing the web isn't fun anymore. It's painfully slow..also when using some multitouch gestures. In daily use (calendar, mail, todo's and web) I seriously can't tell which one is faster....2.2 or the latest CM. For me Froyo is a bit of a disappointment. After setting it up with all the programs I use on a daily basis there is very little difference (looks and speed) with prior versions. Adobe Flash was the first program I installed after flashing Froyo..and it was the first program I uninstalled after 15 minutes of use. Finally, I almost can't imagine this is a final release...too many little bugs.
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after all the hype surrounding this new release, it's not all that great. Don't get me wrong, I like some of the added features but there are people talking about how much faster it is ... thinking those people were coming from a junked up flash anyways. Anytime you wipe and reinstall everything always seems a little nicer.
Overall, I think it's nice but definitely not worth all the hype. Still on the fence about doing cyan or another rom ... they seem to have their share of issues as well and at present I am just fine with a rooted stock ROM. Shame no one has taken the time to come up with MetaMorphs for the stock ROMs.
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the 2.2 code hasnt been released yet so its hard to make a rom or de-ox when the devs dont have the ability to do so
pIxiLatEd said:
after all the hype surrounding this new release, it's not all that great. Don't get me wrong, I like some of the added features but there are people talking about how much faster it is ... thinking those people were coming from a junked up flash anyways. Anytime you wipe and reinstall everything always seems a little nicer.
Overall, I think it's nice but definitely not worth all the hype. Still on the fence about doing cyan or another rom ... they seem to have their share of issues as well and at present I am just fine with a rooted stock ROM. Shame no one has taken the time to come up with MetaMorphs for the stock ROMs.
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Your a little off on this. I did not whipe when I flashed 2.2. I used motoco rom and there is a significant speed increase. Not just opening apps, but boot up time as well. I am missing a few fetures from CM6.0.7-T2 but I am happy to wait for them. While I wait for trackball wake and Notification, Ill entertain my time with some hulu lol.
Flash does slow down browsing, but it's better to have the option than...nothing, so for now, I set it as "On Demand" and it's more that I can ask for.
Nobody is mentioning:
- Active/Sync support with, finally exchange push without compromises, PIN/Remote wipe, GAL, Calendar.. no need for third party mail apps
- Office 2007 files now open with quickoffice
- Bluetooth Dial from headset
When the subtle MODS (full screen browser, music widget/controls, trackball..) make it into CMXX it will be great, but for now, I will stick with 2.2
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I had no "provider", I have my own web site and POP off of that (server run by Bluehost), and it was instant email...
Do you mean they worked with every web site server company to implement push (there are thousands)? And Blackberry works with all of these companies individually too? (Anyway, if little ond Palm can do it, then Google should be able to figure it out ;-))
What ever they are doing I hope Google does the same. Getting email only every 15 or 30 minutes is a P.I.T.A., and the polling servers kills the battery on Android devices. Try setting it to every 5 minutes and your phone will not last half a day in my experience. Especially if you have several email accounts set up.
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My mistake, I just looked around some more. Palm os uses imap idle to push email. If your server supports it it works good.
On the android side you can use K-9 mail for the same function. Default email client doesn't (other than gmail).
Froyo is fine for me in the state it is. I still think it's just a pre-release just like a teaser or something. Either way we all know that once the source code it released and the devs get cracking on some roms then this will be forgotten.
Everyone has an opinion and it seems nobody will ever be happy with anything that is put out for our device. Honestly I dont think alot of us were supposed to have froyo yet, but paul and cy hooked us up and there is still complaints. Then when everyone officially gets froyo there will be complaints about that etc.
I'm not trying to turn this into an arguement or anything but I say the consensus should be Froyo is a nice little upgrade from 2.1. Heck i sold my x10 for the nexus one and they're still trying to root 1.6 on their devices. Other devices are still waiting for an upgrade to 2.1 and we got 2.2 even before the all so called powerful EVO? damn i'm more than happy about that!
People get exited and inquisitive when they see my Nexus One, and those that know about android go bananas when they see 2.2 on it! I love it ...ok bye now have a nice day lol
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hate to burst your bubble of hope but this is the release that we were waiting for... it has the framework for flash to run, JIT is enabled, ect, ect... and it obviously has all of the drivers meant for the N1 since our phones are running it fine...
I dont know why everyone was expecting a 1.6 to 2.0 leap... this is an incremental leap just like 2.0 to 2.1, it has some nice new features and cleaned up a few things but it is not ground breaking... like i said before it really just made the whole android os more efficient and snappier with JIT enabled and yes I can tell a difference on just about any app
this has everything google said it was going to have... not its up to our lovely devs to make it shine! and there might be other little goodies that the devs can now do that they couldnt on 2.1...
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Exactly...the upgrade we REALLLLY are looking forward to is Gingerbread...
one thing I'm def looking forward to is the alleged UI refresh...bring it on.
I may be the only one interested in this, and I know its set for froyo 2.2 and not sure if its possible but is there no way to port this back one version? Maybe make it work for us?
I really like the idea and would be disappointed to have to wait the loooooooooong time before 2.2 is ported to G1.
no it uses the new pushy mc jig from froyo
probably could back port the whole framework, but seems like a wast ogf time to me
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I may be the only one interested in this, and I know its set for froyo 2.2 and not sure if its possible but is there no way to port this back one version? Maybe make it work for us?
I really like the idea and would be disappointed to have to wait the loooooooooong time before 2.2 is ported to G1.
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How do you know it will be such a long time?
Depending on the code changes between 2.1 and 2.2, it may be little more than trivial to get 2.2 running.
Also, I suggest that the first step required in either backporting or building a whole system would be to actually wait for the availability of the source code. Then we judge what would be a more efficient use of time -- building a whole system or backporting chunks of it.
2.2 will support the ION, so in turn, it will support the Dream. We just have to WAIT for it, people.
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Just a thought: during the google io presentation of google TV they make a presentation of this feature with the google box in 2.1. So I don't know if the sdk or the source code is published but can't we use that to make it working with eclair roms?
PS: here at 1:30
Time is relative here, by the time a new update is released from modders porting it to another much older phone version a new version is almost ready to be released.
This is not a bad thing and Im not talking down about it ether. But was simply asking the question if it would take too much effort to get just that .apk to work for even 2.1 that is now very stable on the G1.
2.2 was just released, and it will probably take a while to get it stable, to the point where 2.0 or 2.1 is now for the G1 anyways.
I just really like the chrome to phone and think its a super idea. Maybe I'm a bit impatient too.
I've rooted my phone to Bionix 1.3.1 and am loving it. The speed and crispness is everything I was looking for. There is one issue however and that is the outdated TW calendar. It culminates entries and does not have hyperlinks, just like the original Eclair. When I updated stock to Froyo, these were corrected.
I rooted to Bioix 1.3.1 and it is AWESOME, but iT SEEMS TO HAVE THE Eclair calendar. How do I install the most current TW calendar? I use my calendar probably more than anything else and need these features. If there is no easy way, what us the best ROM to get? Out must be quick, and it has to be stable.
THANKS!!
You need tw calendar???
Why not try the Questions section of the forums?
Im not sure any androids are gonna develop it for you here
Sent from a cell tower to the XDA server to you.
My searches have not been fruitful, but I'll search more. My appologies if this is in the wrong place.