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Well as many of you know I have 2 HTC HD'S and I do a lot of testing on cooked ROM's. Actually I usually flash each device 1-3 times a day. One of the things I noticed is there is a lot of questions in the ROM threads about problems with exchange server, activesync, GPS, bletooth etc which while they are part of the device but may not be due to ROM issues. I also see many new members overwhelmed at the list of new ROM's and trying to decide what to flash. So I have a idea which I think would be good for the community and to the cooks. Why do I spend so much time testing ROM'S? Well I'm Partially Retired from Engineering background and I love my gadgets. I live in Thailand (LOS) and run a small restaurant but I still like to be active with electronics and my gadgets. But most of all I like to share and hopefully be of help to someone.
A repository of all my testing on all the ROM's, and or by any cooks request. I use a very strict and standard set of guidelines to test all ROM's the same every time and equally as to get the best evaluation. The repository would also include detailed information on each ROM such as version numbers of ROM and programs etc, as to let people know what is inside the ROM. Also in the repository would be all of my testing methods and specific test I run on each ROM. All benchmark test and performance test will be calculated by an average of 3-5 tests for more accuracy. For ROM's that don't have specific features it will be indicated in N/A. I would also take request for specific testing on a specific ROM, by members and by cooks.
I have tested so many ROM's and I feel I have wasted much of my time as I can't share and inform people as I would like, in fear that people would think I'm being subjective to one or more persons ROM. So this would be a way for me to share all of my work to the community and it would be a good reference source for cooks to check on other ROMs without having to actually flash every one to see what is inside and what bugs are there.
Now my question to the members would you value such a source?
EDIT: Well after 2 weeks of insane searching and testing I have decided to Cancel the idea above. The big problem being with all the testing tools I bought and tried most of the differences between all ROM's are very small. There are some differences but to the average person looking at the results is just confusing.
The second thing is I have tried every way to build a report database of information but again it just doesn't work without being subjective.
The only part of this which was still worthy was the full list of what is included in each ROM. a Detailed list of all programs and versions and build numbers. Unfortunately this is not enough information alone.
I will still continue to do beta testing and I can do a detailed test upon request.
Good Idea
I think this would be quite useful although how a person finds a rom is quite subjective. I suppose if your listing the haves and have nots then the user can do with the information what they wish.
Great Idea
Hey wanna partner up to help make the blackstone cooked rom list better?
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I think this would be quite useful although how a person finds a rom is quite subjective. I suppose if your listing the haves and have nots then the user can do with the information what they wish.
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Yes exactly, this is why I will have a very structured list of observation, test results, and general facts. I will want to refrain from making personal opinions as this is then subjective. For example one of the observations might be " Scroll smoothness 1-10 with 10 being the smoothest" I will also welcome a list of things from cooks as they feel would be important observations or test if I miss something.
...having an objective reference is always very useful, also for those that believe that there are many subjective elements to choose a ROM. It is a very challenging activity, and in my opinion it implies a lot of time investment to be done correctly. However, it is indeed "one of the greated ideas i've heard of".
brilliant, I take my hat off to people who can find time in their day to do this kind of thing.
Just dont forget to include which 3rd party apps would be used if any.
Thanks!
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Hey wanna partner up to help make the blackstone cooked rom list better?
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Ok Thanks, waiting a few days to see response and word from admin/mod
I think it is an excellent idea.
It would certainly answer a lot of questions before they are asked.
So many ROM's, so little time.
I think this is a wonderful ide.
I myself have problem to deciede wich of...probably 3 ROM I will use.
A list of have/have not comes very handy, and helps me decide which I will choose.
Just a question...
which is the best between, duttys 2.1 Extrem ROM, L26_THDV8.0_WWE Ultimate and Davideuck_V-2_HP,OS 5.2.21028?
This are the ones I choose from...and I can't decide wich is the best.
Another question...Is Rhodium good? Useful? Run smooth on HD.
I've seen some issuse with the home button, anything you have notice with Rhodium?
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brilliant, I take my hat off to people who can find time in their day to do this kind of thing.
Just dont forget to include which 3rd party apps would be used if any.
Thanks!
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i agree with this because much 3rd party apps scramble up the rom but do you have time to test al party apps or maybe help from users wich work and wich not and keep it updated
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i agree with this because much 3rd party apps scramble up the rom but do you have time to test al party apps or maybe help from users wich work and wich not and keep it updated
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To start I will test and report on Device functionality and software included in the ROM. If I have time I may take on more test as a separate individual request. This keeps the data I provide close to the same for every ROM.
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i agree with this because much 3rd party apps scramble up the rom but do you have time to test al party apps or maybe help from users wich work and wich not and keep it updated
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having said that there's only a handful of 3rd party apps that actually change or modify system files / settings and therefor are worth mentioning, I personally only use PhoneAlarm out of such...the likes of Resco Explorer I was using since the days of HTC Wizard and it never did any harm to any ROM
i agree that a factual objective measurement of each roms +/- qualities would be useful.
if you have the time and inclination to do such a thing, then do it
if the mod/admin team dont want to sticky it, why not create your own website with the info and link it in your sig? id happily link in mine also
although, L26 is still the best (in my subjective opinion )
good luck
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i agree that a factual objective measurement of each roms +/- qualities would be useful.
if you have the time and inclination to do such a thing, then do it
if the mod/admin team dont want to sticky it, why not create your own website with the info and link it in your sig? id happily link in mine also
although, L26 is still the best (in my subjective opinion )
good luck
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Hi!
You said that L26 is the best in your opinion, have you tried Dutty Extreme or Davideuck_V-2?
I'm a bit torned between these three ROMs. I have only tried Duttys Extreme 2.1. These three seems to be the most popular ROMS, thats why I choose between these.
It wolud be very helpful if anyone who has tried these three to give me his/hers view of it.
Davideuck_V-2 seems good and also the new L26 V9.0 seems to be good.
The new Dutty Extreme 2.2 i comming, but nobody knows when. But this version (I think) will not have the new Rhodium
What is the differens between Rhodium and the old one?
Is it only the new start menu? Why should I take a ROM with Rhodium?
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Hi!
You said that L26 is the best in your opinion, have you tried Dutty Extreme or Davideuck_V-2?
I'm a bit torned between these three ROMs. I have only tried Duttys Extreme 2.1. These three seems to be the most popular ROMS, thats why I choose between these.
It wolud be very helpful if anyone who has tried these three to give me his/hers view of it.
Davideuck_V-2 seems good and also the new L26 V9.0 seems to be good.
The new Dutty Extreme 2.2 i comming, but nobody knows when. But this version (I think) will not have the new Rhodium
What is the differens between Rhodium and the old one?
Is it only the new start menu? Why should I take a ROM with Rhodium?
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Please what you are asking me to do is exactly what I don't want to do. Give a subjective opinion. Yes I have tried all of them more than once. Give me some time and I want to put in place detailed information for all ROM's that way you can see what fits your needs and make your choices. I like all the ROMs but for me to single one out is being subjective and this I will not do.
This is an excellent idea.
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Please what you are asking me to do is exactly what I don't want to do. Give a subjective opinion. Yes I have tried all of them more than once. Give me some time and I want to put in place detailed information for all ROM's that way you can see what fits your needs and make your choices. I like all the ROMs but for me to single one out is being subjective and this I will not do.
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Thats ok!
I think many of us is eager to find out what you know about the diffrent ROMs.
There are many ROMs out there. And every ROMs is improving with every release. It's hard to keep up which to choose.
And it also looking that every one is on the verge to release a new version this couple of days. So I think we all need your knowlege ASAP.
So please start the thread soon.
Thanx for the iniative!
Review template ?
Stats are good but as others have said, they can be subjective.
If each user filled in a form (online) where there were categories such as user type, main use for phone, technical aptitude, and then ratings for different categories, it would be possible to extract meaningful results.
For example
User type [professional] [casual user] [gadget freak]
Main use for phone [surfing] [work] [as a phone] [showing off]
Technical aptitude [n00b] [can follow instructions] [program for fun] [professional coder]
Graphics Performance [rating out of 100]
Ease of use [rating out of 100]
Responsiveness [rating out of 100]
Battery Life [rating out of 100]
Desirability [rating out of 100]
Appearance [rating out of 100]
You get the idea. New users and existing users could search these results based on their own priorities, worthy roms could then be chosen etc.
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SlyT
What an excellent idea, I'd really appreciate an imparital viewpoint on the different ROMs
Hi all,
I really appreciate the work of all ROM cookers, even if I don't use a ROM from XDA anymore. (I was using some german releases here for quite some time)
I don't know much about ROM cooking, since I'm a SAP and Web-Deveopment guy, but I always asking myself:
Why is ROM cooking not like open source stuff?
Why is everyone/every group cooking it's own little stuff?
Why not working together on few versions to provide a ultimate, stable, bugfree, nice documented and "perfect" ROM?
Newbies are totally overloaded with 1337 ROM releases, which they should take? Where to find help for your decision? Not everyone has the time/KnowHow to try out 5+ ROMs...
There are so many many advantages if they would do so:
+ bugfixes are done only one time, not many times for many different roms
+ bugfixes are always up to date
+ mistakes are not done multiple times
+ more manpower to test/optimize/develop roms (since everyone works together)
+ clean and clear buglist and release history
+ bugtracking (easier for community to post bugs via bugtracker, easier to develop for cookers)
+ better for newbies (a stronger/bigger community is maybe not a bad thing?) - people know what to download (stable/beta/nightly builds releases - maybe light and full ROMs)
+ many many more, maybe even better reasons
And you can still release ROMs weekly and in multiple version (nightly builds, betas, alphas) but you also can make rock solid milestone releases for the community.
My feeling is SOMETIMES (not in all cases!), that cookers try to compete against each other, than working together.
As I said, its just a feeling... nothing personal against anyone.
Of course there are also disadvantages in organizing such a "structure", but in the end if a cooker would stop developing and invest this time into organizing the rest in to a developer group, that would be a benefit everyone. Means, a bit less "development power", but a lot more efficient developing. The big picture counts.
Just wanted to start a discussion about this thing. It is not like I'm totally experienced in this topic.
Because to be honest... much of the work (which is great and I really appreciate) is done multiple multiple times.
And many many ROMs are more or less the same. Different languages and "feature" levels like Light/Full would be sufficient.
It does seem like a good idea. Certainly, it would allow the chefs to develop an amazing Manilla X1 ROM, and a non-Manilla ROM, 6.1 ROM and a 6.5 ROM, light/full versions and other languages quite effectively. However, I'm not sure how much the chefs would like it. It would however, be excellent for the community. Would be interesting to hear the chefs views on this.
rom are developed really fast. too much people, too much organizations will slow down development.
most part of developers has trusted betatester and bug solver, working in small groups. afaik, looking at whole forum productions, this model works pretty well
yes I have the same question
if we all put our knowledge / findings together @ the cheffs share centre thread it would be A high mile achievement
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rom are developed really fast. too much people, too much organizations will slow down development.
most part of developers has trusted betatester and bug solver, working in small groups. afaik, looking at whole forum productions, this model works pretty well
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I'm not too sure if you can call this situation "well". I would say it "kinda works".
And yes, in the short run, the development is slower, but in the long run the development is faster, because it is more efficient and there is less work which is done multiple times. As I said, it is the big picture you have to see, in the long run this would be much better.
Additionally to that "new" cooks who maybe have a new bugfix and want to release that, they have to do many of the other fixes again to release a new ROM (additionally to that they lack experience and will make "new" bugs).
In a single project, they simply post their fix, and the main developers check and integrate the fix ... done. Next build it is included.
And that's much faster!! And it is double checked for mistakes for more stable releases.
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For the user it is unthinkable to update the ROM every week. There is a need for some "stable"-like ROM for general users.
The level of final release ROMs here are more or less like "Firefox RC" or even "Beta" Versions.
this is not the 1st time someone like u come up with this......loads of ppl had the same request. even i saw atleast a couple of such thread in this x1 thread!!!
but they neva work in most cases.....i only saw one such successful project!!!
That's not a bad idea at all.
I have been active for sometime with XDA equivalent for AVM Fritz modems (ip-phone-forum), together they made a compiler tool (Freetz.org) for all avm fritz modems, users download one tool, launch and select what features they want in their router, and build a new firmware/ROM, and there is a huge forum for support.
well, i don't say to make such a tool (while it will be so interesting to have, at least one per smartphone model)
having a xda organized in the way mentioned, many bugs can be resolved easily.
in the current state, a newbie will have much difficulty to read a 200 page thread about some custom ROM to find that in post 1232 describes the issue he encountered and later has been fixed in post 1325....
i was going to ask about making a sub forum per each custom rom, with threads divided per subjects, so if someone encounter an SMS issue will have to read one thread completely about sms issues rather than a very long one about all issues in that custom rom.....
if something could be done, then it will become much easier for everybody !!!
great idea.
There is one issue though: people have strong personal flavors of ROMs. Some might want a fast and lean ROM while others might want a mighty one.
I guess some kind of sophisticated branching is needed to accommodate these requests
yes, different tastes, but same bugs
I am down on a common knowledge database, willing to share and learn
It would be great indeed to have a common project but all chefs would need to aim to the same release that would take time to come to a common design and implementation.
Hope this can happen though!
Maybe a cooperation of some chefs would help to reach something here.
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And yes, in the short run, the development is slower, but in the long run the development is faster, because it is more efficient and there is less work which is done multiple times. As I said, it is the big picture you have to see, in the long run this would be much better.
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The problem is there is no long run for rom cooking.
Most of us (users or cook) seldom use a single phone longer than a year and we moved to a next device and start everything from the ground up again.
Even you keep the same device for a long time, newer WM build or other components comes very frequently and there's always a tradeoff between "new features" vs "stability". And every cook has their own perference and it natural to see varies roms among cooks. Therefore, it will never have an easy solution for rom user.
For cooks, we could open threads for individual components and work together. I did open a threads for TF3D v2 (landscape), and HD Camera as a project base, and Itje already create a chef discussion thread and I think this model works pretty well for cooks.
agree with jackleung in some points
I've created a Topic for cooking with windows mobile 6.5, too.
Everyone was invited to discuss their bugs and help each other.
But none like it really.
Or none got bugs
Basically what everyone wants is a ROM with PURE Windows Mobile as Microsoft gives it to manufacturers(No HTC, Sonyericsson stuff), cabs/packages of different applications and a program that combines all of them together according to individual needs.
Dear All:
A quick look on Rhodium main page will show that there are few active rom designers in town. According to so many people, NRGZ28 leads the design of WM6.5 for Rhodium (and some other devices) because of his skills and remarkable talent at times when other rom bakers are barely able to assemble a program here and a patch there to a WM6.5 build.
Yet, NRGZ28 has gone against almost all other rom designers by keeping his rom for public and not imposing silly mean rules for download for people. Why?
This is because NRGZ28 remains a great person and a talented chef.
I invite everyone to thank NRGZ28 for his work and his gentle devotion to help others. Let this thread be about how many people like NRGZ28 for his talent and his kindness.
I also add that I had the chance to interface with NRGZ28 indirectly and I was amazed that he was cooperative on few matters so I want to thank him personally and warmly for his understanding and coopeartion.
Samer.
NRGZ28
I am a big fan of his work...have thanked him and also donated ...I really hope everyone else also shows appreciation and this thread becomes longer than his ROM threads with appreciation and donations!!!!
will a mod please close this!!
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will a mod please close this!!
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any particular reason?
Every user has their own choice of what they like in their ROMs and find some a certain Chef's ROM better to their liking than other Chefs.
I will take your silly rule comment personally since I am one of those chefs with the silly rules.
Many chef's in this forum have their own silly rules for whatever the case may be.
For myself, I release enough stuff without any silly rules. If I want to put extra time and making something extra nice for people who are active members of the community and/or donated to me that is my choice and I do it as my way of saying thanks for being so considerate of the time I put in. More than 70% of the people I email my private ROMs about have not donated and are just active members of the community. Who do not give a thanks that you are looking for with NRG.
Another reason is because of the lack of a thanks for the type of ROMs I do not even use myself. For the same reason you stated about showing a thanks to NRG is the one of the reasons I have my own system. I am sure other chefs feel the same way too.
I can think of 4 off hand that have "silly rules" for their own reasons.
The only best design in town is what the user prefers. I am sure many people will say Tom, myself, Ark666, itje, udk and any other chef is the best design in town. So to make a comment like that is just "silly" since your tastes are not reflected by everyone else.
>Samer
All rom customizers will be happy and continue their work here as long it can be if all custom rom user has behaviour like you. Not like other users whose like critics, complaints, request this, request that, asking this and that, like a boss. fcuk!
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Cause it looks like you are trying to start trouble...should we have a thread about every chef and giving thanks?
Ever think some chefs page views are bigger cause there are more bugs so people are going back or they release ROMs very often to correct bugs or that is what they like to do by releasing ROMs often?
At0mAng
Hi, which one is you in the avatar? left or right?
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Hi, which one is you in the avatar? left or right?
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hehe Looking at it my brain is on the left
Samer,
At0mAng is correct. Chef appreciation threads will soon degrade into fighting. I know your intentions are good, but this thread won't bring much to the community.
Thread Closed.
Dave
Hello all Chefs and Rom users, I wanted to know how would you like if someone started a thread or site where they do in depth reviews on roms,chefs,and apps for htc phones? Would you find this useful and would you be willing to post your roms on a site that does this? Would you be interested in paying for adverstisement? Would you like for a donation link to be placed in your review or section on the site? Rom users, how useful do you think this site will be? I am open to all comments and questions. Thank to all in advance.
I think that would be a great idea, especially for the people who arent sure which rom they want or what they want on a rom or the people that are new to this scene. Maybe the site could include a list of things that are included in the roms. Such as does it have the latest .net compact framwork and things like that. Also it could be broken down into which roms would be best for which versions of the rhodium. Like T-mobile, at&t, sprint, verizon. And there could be a rating system letting users rate the roms. Just a few ideas to throw at you.
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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yeah i second this. The key thing about roms is that they differ in appeal for one person to the next. Most roms these days are nice and fast (certainly faster than stock) and so the additional factors may involve apps included, graphics and other features and although these are listed within the chefs thread as screenshots and lists, you only really know a rom is right for you once its in your hands and personally test-driven!
Agreed, it would be good to have an objective list of features of all current roms and comments of them in one place, however the info is already out there leaving the rest of the work up to the user!
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Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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I agree... With a UC cable ROM, a PC registry editor (CeRegistry, MobileRegistryEditor) and maybe SDConfig Builder along with PIM Backup I have it automated down to about 10 minutes...
i like it
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
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Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
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Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads
Not a bad idea
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as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I am in the same boat I flash roms all the time, and love this forum, It would be nice to have an alternate way to read about rom,chefs,apps,Htc phones,rumors.
Something that goes more in depth.
not a social networking site
geejayoh said:
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
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I am talking about a site,not really a social networking site, because that will just grow too huge and make it hard for some users to be able to get the info they are looking for. I am thinking more like a blog. Where you can search info and find different articles. There would be polls on roms. The rom may be reviewed with general info and people can leave comments. I just think it may be a way to narrow down this info for users to easily get to. Some are intimidated by huge sites. The site will have other info ,but will also lean more towards roms and chefs. The site would benefit rom users and chefs.
cant cover all roms
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I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.
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The site would not cover all roms,but would try to cover major releases and maybe the roms of chefs who want to link there roms to the site.
Thank You
Thank You to all who participated in this poll. Anyone who have not participated yet can still participate. It seems most members would enjoy a site like this one. I have updated my signature with the latest roms I am running. Thank you all!
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Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads
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Reading from 40 to 400+ pages of a thread just to see what the rom is about isn't something I look forward to. I would like it if they were categorized. For example, search filters for all the roms that have sense 2.1 or all the roms that have 2.5, etc. Roms that are made specifically for a carrier would also be a nice filter. I also think a really good idea would be to make a program with the purpose of benchmarking a rom just to try and test the speed of how fast the rom really is. There are many more things that can be done. I think thewingster.com is a great example of this, but it can be taken to another level to make it much easier for users. There are many roms not posted on that site, but the popular ones are there.
I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.
MadBeef said:
I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.
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The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.
accent2k2 said:
The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.
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Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round
MadBeef said:
Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round
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Makes since thanks
I started a thread wondering if the cooked roms are better than the latest releases by HTC and it was promptly closed.
I see this as intolerable in a world where freedom to express an opinion is a human right issue. If this is an attempt to protect rom cooks, what happen to people who have to download and flash crap roms because people are not allowed to express opinion about the merits and demerits of each rom, espescially now that every Tom, **** and Harry is now a cook?
There is a need to streamline the roms promoted on this site. With everybody cooking roms, it is becoming difficult to separate the chaffs from the grains and bandwidth is not cheap, rhodium roms are also not light.
I agree. What is good? Everything I used locks up.
ALL I WANT TO DO IS TEXT MESSAGE. PLEASE, GIVE ME INSTA SPEED TEXT MESSAGING AND I WILL <3 you.
yea serously all the roms freeze on txt mesaging yay i can put a picture as my backround and it looks cool and then ohh wow i got a txt and booom phones froze AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH so anoying!!!!
there are plenty of roms that use a faster sms client. I'm assuming you guys are using the default leo 2.5 sms client and yeah that one is pretty damn slow.
the reason the OP thread was closed is probably because those questions get asked all the time but it's easily answered yourself by trying out a popular rom like nrg or deepshining. if you hate the custom roms then stick to stock. whats wrong with having a multitude of roms? just read the comments of the threads and see whats wrong or right with each particular rom and flash accordingly.
superkevx said:
the reason the OP thread was closed is probably because those questions get asked all the time but it's easily answered yourself by trying out a popular rom like nrg or deepshining.
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The only problem is that downloading these roms are not easy for some of us. Slow internet connections and bandwidth costs. While we may not expect any rom to be perfect, but people who have tested roms can give their "subjective" but often helpful opinion.
That way, I wont need to spend a whole day downloading a problematic rom.
And the threads for many of the roms are two long (more than 500 pages) to peruse fully.
abbas said:
The only problem is that downloading these roms are not easy for some of us. Slow internet connections and bandwidth costs. While we may not expect any rom to be perfect, but people who have tested roms can give their "subjective" but often helpful opinion.
That way, I wont need to spend a whole day downloading a problematic rom.
And the threads for many of the roms are two long (more than 500 pages) to peruse fully.
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If you don't like that your thread got closed then leave. If you don't have the time to flash and test a rom then don't. Use your phone straight out of the box and be happy. Nobody is forcing you to download and flash anything. Bottom line is if you don't like xda or the roms on them then leave.
abbas said:
The only problem is that downloading these roms are not easy for some of us. Slow internet connections and bandwidth costs. While we may not expect any rom to be perfect, but people who have tested roms can give their "subjective" but often helpful opinion.
That way, I wont need to spend a whole day downloading a problematic rom.
And the threads for many of the roms are two long (more than 500 pages) to peruse fully.
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So what would you propose then?
I get your bandwidth problem, but there is plenty of information in the ROM topic to give enough information about the ROM, what's in it etc. Maybe don't flash as soon as a new one comes out - give others a chaance to find the bugs. Like some other posters said, maybe either stich to stock, or if you find one a cooked on you really like, keep it.
Freedom of Speech does not apply to private message boards.
abbas said:
I started a thread wondering if the cooked roms are better than the latest releases by HTC and it was promptly closed.
I see this as intolerable in a world where freedom to express an opinion is a human right issue. If this is an attempt to protect rom cooks, what happen to people who have to download and flash crap roms because people are not allowed to express opinion about the merits and demerits of each rom, espescially now that every Tom, **** and Harry is now a cook?
There is a need to streamline the roms promoted on this site. With everybody cooking roms, it is becoming difficult to separate the chaffs from the grains and bandwidth is not cheap, rhodium roms are also not light.
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you have freedom to express your opinion here on xda, as long as doing it doesnt break the rules. this forum is for rom development, not questions about "which rom is best" or "are cooked roms better than stock roms"...that is why i closed your other thread and why im closing this one too.