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Those with Tilt...can you get ICS?

Hey guys,
Im having a hard time figuring out why I cant get ICS working with my AT&T data plan. When in the ICS window, I select usb or bluetooth, then medianet, and hit connect. I immediately get an error "cannot connect for unknown reason". I cant sem to find a solution this problem. Can those of you on AT&T that have ICS working tell me what data plan youre on and what settings you have in connections? Thanks for all your help!!

I am on Medianet Personal Unlimited, the $39.99 package. Works like a charm, did you select USB and medianet as the internet connection method? I think by default it selects At&T GPRS as the connection method.

Yeah, I tried both available connections, medianet and ATT ISP, and on USB and bluetooth, still get the same error....I cant figure this out..How is your medianet connection setup (server, username, proxy)? Thanks for your help.

lansa said:
Yeah, I tried both available connections, medianet and ATT ISP, and on USB and bluetooth, still get the same error....I cant figure this out..How is your medianet connection setup (server, username, proxy)? Thanks for your help.
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Well, it shouldn't be a network connection setting on the device because whether you have the ATT or HTC ROM installed it automatically sets everything up just fine.
Where are you getting this error, on the phone or the computer? What OS are you running on your computer? Any other info with that error? Are you running the stock ATT ROM, or HTC ROM? Have you installed any third party apps?
Give us some more info so we can be of better help.
(I'm using MediaNet without a problem via USB and bluetooth, with and without the proxy)

OK, first off, the phone is not connected to to the pc when this happens, since I am trying to get it to work as a wifi AP. Phone is running stock AT&T ROM. I go into ICS window, select Bluetooth PAN and MediaNet, click connect, it says "need to activate bluetooth (which it does)and then immediately get the error, it doesnt even try and connect. I've installed 3rd party apps, but nothing that should interfere with data connection. Am I missing a step?

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...since I am trying to get it to work as a wifi AP.
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Do you mean that you're looking to use Internet Sharing over WiFi rather than Bluetooth/USB? If so, how, since that's not a valid "target" for either selection box? I suspect there's a hack involved here that might be your issue.
select Bluetooth PAN and MediaNet
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Do you have any partnerships established with a PC? Maybe the error you're getting is related to that. Mine fires off a message about entering discovery mode whenever I launch it when Bluetooth is enabled.
and then immediately get the error
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The only time I get the "Cannot Connect for an Unknown reason" error is because I'm going after isp.cingular. I'd recommend re-running Connection Setup from Settings-Connections to see if in your explorations you've somehow damaged the Media Net configuration. To me, it sounds like you've got an issue on that end. For example - the Media Net connection doesn't appear as a "real" connection on my TyTN II when I hit Settings-Connections- Manage Existing. But it is selectable from the pull down under the Advanced tab-Select Networks. If I don't replace "The Internet" there, I'll get the error sometimes.

PerfAlbion said:
Do you mean that you're looking to use Internet Sharing over WiFi rather than Bluetooth/USB? If so, how, since that's not a valid "target" for either selection box? I suspect there's a hack involved here that might be your issue.
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Yes, there is a sharing over WiFi hack posted, just need to make a registry change and point Bluetooth PAN to your WiFi adapter. But even before I make that change, I stll get the error
Do you have any partnerships established with a PC? Maybe the error you're getting is related to that. Mine fires off a message about entering discovery mode whenever I launch it when Bluetooth is enabled.
I have a BT partnership which works fine.
The only time I get the "Cannot Connect for an Unknown reason" error is because I'm going after isp.cingular. I'd recommend re-running Connection Setup from Settings-Connections to see if in your explorations you've somehow damaged the Media Net configuration. To me, it sounds like you've got an issue on that end. For example - the Media Net connection doesn't appear as a "real" connection on my TyTN II when I hit Settings-Connections- Manage Existing. But it is selectable from the pull down under the Advanced tab-Select Networks. If I don't replace "The Internet" there, I'll get the error sometimes
My MediaNet connection is wap.cingular and otherwise works fine.
When you go to HKLM\Comm\ConnectionSharing\PrivateInterface in your registry, what value do you show there? I keep changing mine to BTPAN1, but when everytime I go back into the registry, it shows up with no value at all (deletes the BTPAN1). Could this be it?

IE Cannot Browse Internet via GPRS

Installed Opera and it works fine.
For some reason, IE doesnt seem to use my GPRS connection to connect to the internet. If I enable Wifi, it works as well.
I noticed this trouble after flashing the rom to Dutty's TouchFlo AT&T beta 2. IE displays "Locating" in the status bar. After a couple of minutes I get the pop up message "The page cannot be displayed or downloaded because the connection was lost. Check the connection and try again later."
I changed my network setting to use the same GPRS provider for both internet and private networks.
I can active sync with my exchange server. I can get weather updates. I can RDP my exchange server. All signs of internet connectivity are present.
I can live with Opera, but it beats me why and where in the registry is this set.
I have googled and researched on the net, most i found was a registry setting that pointed to the user agent. but i later found out that it wasn't necessarily causing the issue. It just instructed the site that you were a mobile device and too spit out a mobile page if available.
Your help is appreciated!

Update
Ok this issue is resolved when i reverted to the original HTC Kaiser ROM...dont know why this happens only with dutty roms.
Giving Custel Roms a shot to see if this is still an issue

IE Cannot Browse Internet via GPRS/3G
I have exactly the same issue with my HTC 8525 Cingular with the original WM 6 ROM from HTC Web Site.
Any ideas?
Thanks!!!

HHG76 said:
I have exactly the same issue with my HTC 8525 Cingular with the original WM 6 ROM from HTC Web Site.
Any ideas?
Thanks!!!
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I'm kinda in this boat as well, it works 1/2 the time on my stock AT&T Tilt ROM. I have noticed that if I do a soft reset, it will normally work.

Neonwheels said:
I'm kinda in this boat as well, it works 1/2 the time on my stock AT&T Tilt ROM. I have noticed that if I do a soft reset, it will normally work.
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Call your carrier and ask if there are any reports with GPRS/3G access at the area where you have problems. Sometimes a faulty cell transmitter can cause this.

Farsquidge said:
Call your carrier and ask if there are any reports with GPRS/3G access at the area where you have problems. Sometimes a faulty cell transmitter can cause this.
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I'm reasonably sure it's the phone, happens at home, happens at work, happened on vacation in both San Antonio and South Padre Island.

From what we have heard on here for US settings you may to disable 'Use Proxy settings' for your connection. That may help.

IE Cannot Browse Internet ...
so sorry guys but i may be posting this under an inappropriate post...
but my problem here is that i cannot browse Internet via active sync USB connection. it is giving me an error saying "The page cannot be displayed or downloaded because the connection was lost. Check the connection and try again later".. this is strange but i was able to browse before. this happened suddenly and i haven't changed any settings. Tried remedies posted on other forums, how ever it dint work for me, Appreciate if any one could help me.
cheers

It happens because it is a AT&T based rom. They orinally configured the rom to use a Proxy server. There is a program i have which unregisters the proxy from the registry and Walla!!!!!

It happeed to my WM6, same here can use IE to surf internet by GPRS or USB, after disable proxy setting, is bck to normal, thanks!!

\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Internet settings\EnableAutoDetect = 1
It works!!!

I had similar issues with Orange in the UK.
Received phone on Dec 7th, worked an absolute dream til the 11th when started dropping calls (issues with 3g network) and unable to connect to the internet via IE though Blackberry/Opera could still connect.
Well, after 3 handset replacements and everyone at Orange having no idea I think I figured it out. It's the Blackberry software. It seems to 'trick' IE into thinking there is a present GPRS connection, but obviously the Blackberry connection seems to use different broadcast ports where as other apps like Opera actively try to 'lock on' to a valid GPRS signal.
So, long post short... Spend the $24 and get Opera and leave IE to be confused by itself. Oh, and don't expect the 'tech support' at Orange to ever know what's going on!

Which program
tomellis6680 said:
It happens because it is a AT&T based rom. They orinally configured the rom to use a Proxy server. There is a program i have which unregisters the proxy from the registry and Walla!!!!!
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Which program is this?
Where can I get it?
Thanks,
SR

Could you please tell us which program is this or where to get it ?
Thanks a lot !!

chdenis said:
\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Internet settings\EnableAutoDetect = 1
It works!!!
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Great reg mod pal, thanks a lot. It does really work ppl!

There is a program under Programs->Tools->Proxy Manager to disable the proxy, and now IE works normally..Thanks to the folks who shared the information

Sending smtp mail

Hi People
This is my first post so go easy on me!
I’m having problems sending mail using smtp on my tytn II. (error message says check network coverage and account info is correct). I have both wifi and HSDPA connections and I’m pretty confident I have all the account setting correct as it works on my old HP4150.
Everything else works fine i.e. web, windows live, exchange and as it works on my old HP this proves account settings are correct and my ISP servers relay SMTP. Anybody experienced any problems like this or have any advice.
Ta

During your setup of the email account, there is an option ( I think under advanced server settings or ??) but you choose which connection the phone should use (i.e. Media NEt, My ISP...whatever) make sure you have it set the a real Internet connection.

grizzley said:
During your setup of the email account, there is an option ( I think under advanced server settings or ??) but you choose which connection the phone should use (i.e. Media NEt, My ISP...whatever) make sure you have it set the a real Internet connection.
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Yep, it's set to "internet connection" I’ve also tried the other connections types and they all have the same effect i can receive mail via pop3 fine but can't send it!
I've also tried disabling wifi, and just using the HSDPA and vice versa.
What is so strange is it works fine on my old HP4150!

What network are you using and what email provider?

Tom Williams said:
What network are you using and what email provider?
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isp = demon.net and their smtp address is post.demon.co.uk and i'm using i'm using a 3 contact sim.

when you added the emal account did you enter the details yourself or did you ask the device to scan for the settings for itself?
Did you get the device from 3 or was it on another network before?

custom said:
isp = demon.net and their smtp address is post.demon.co.uk and i'm using i'm using a 3 contact sim.
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You know things are getting bad when you start replying to your own posts!
Anyway i've just setup a google mail account for pop3 use and that works fine. Which kinda points to my ISP mail account settings but doesn't explain why they work fine on my HP4150!

Ok, but that doesn't answer the question I asked.
Anyway the second comment does. I would check the SMTP server as that does nto sound like an SMTP server to me, that looks like the incoming server personally.
Otherwise I wonder if its worth trying the generic 3 smtp server? If they have one.

Tom Williams said:
when you added the emal account did you enter the details yourself or did you ask the device to scan for the settings for itself?
Did you get the device from 3 or was it on another network before?
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The 3 setting were done automaticly by the network wizard, the email account details were setup manually and the device is HTC sim free and unlocked.

Ok. Thats simple enough.
Does the demon email account need SSL or anything?

Tom Williams said:
Ok, but that doesn't answer the question I asked.
Anyway the second comment does. I would check the SMTP server as that does nto sound like an SMTP server to me, that looks like the incoming server personally.
Otherwise I wonder if its worth trying the generic 3 smtp server? If they have one.
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Here are the demon setting, they work fine on my HP, and on outlook 2007 on my desktop machine.
http://http://www.demon.net/helpdesk/technicallibrary/misc/numbers/
I'll see if i can fine some 3 server setting and give thoughs ago.

Tom Williams said:
Ok. Thats simple enough.
Does the demon email account need SSL or anything?
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Not to my knowledge and i have tried switching in on and off and it made now difference!

I'm really not getting anywhere with this fast! I've done a hard reset just in case any other programs are settings were causing problem and i still can't get it to work!
I've also managed to setup my pop3 account on a N95 and that works fine just like my HP4150 does, it has to be something on the tytn!

I used to work for Thus/Demon a couple of years ago, strangely enough. Their SMTP server only accepts incoming connections from Demon IP ranges - you can only send if you are connected using a Demon connection. i.e. this would only work if you are connected at home over wifi.
I just tested this from my work computer and this is still the case - I got an SMTP 550 error saying the service is unavailable from [my work IP address]. This would explain why you can't connect over HSDPA, but wouldn't explain why you can't connect over wifi at home.
You could try downloading PocketPutty and try using telnet to connect to post.demon.co.uk on port 25 - it should give you a more meaningful message than simply telling you your connection is not working.

hicks said:
I used to work for Thus/Demon a couple of years ago, strangely enough. Their SMTP server only accepts incoming connections from Demon IP ranges - you can only send if you are connected using a Demon connection. i.e. this would only work if you are connected at home over wifi.
I just tested this from my work computer and this is still the case - I got an SMTP 550 error saying the service is unavailable from [my work IP address]. This would explain why you can't connect over HSDPA, but wouldn't explain why you can't connect over wifi at home.
You could try downloading PocketPutty and try using telnet to connect to post.demon.co.uk on port 25 - it should give you a more meaningful message than simply telling you your connection is not working.
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That might explain a few things, Thanks, We use demon as our work ISP to and i've only tested my HP4150 and N95 at the office and at home. I do get the 550 error in the rejected email from demon also! But as you say you would expect the tytn to work on wifi and i have tried it with phone turned off.

Well if its any consolation i've never managed to send a single email since I bought my device. I'm on T-Mobile in the UK and my ISP is Nildram, and I can check email from any POP3 account just fine, but when I try to send anything I get the same error message as you. I've tried every conceivable combination of phone settings, connection settings, SMTP servers and NOTHING has ever worked. Thought I was missing something obvious but now im not to sure!

That makes me feel a little better! I think i'm gona do a bit more digging and see if i can find a work around.
I was thinking of maybe trying a newer radio rom to see if that has any effect.

What IP address does it say after the 550 error? You might not want to share it here for security reasons but www.samspade.org will let you do a whois on it. This will let you know if the device IS actually connecting on the demon connection, or if for some reason it is not.

Sorry I've made a slight mistake, The 550 relay not permitted email only occurs if i switch off "outgoing server requires authentication" there are no IP address attached to this.
With authentication on a window pops up on completion of sync saying "The message could not be sent check network coverage and that account info is correct"

I've just tried to use pocket putty and to be honest i think it might be a bit out of my league! I tried to open a telnet connection on post.demon.co.uk port 25 and just got a black screen!

HTC Diamond on T-Mobile Uk – issues with Messenger/Hotmail/Live

Hi, I have used this site for around 2 years, and often found answers…..however, this one I cant get round…I hope someone can help..here goes :-
Have tried the following on all of these ROMS
RUU_Diamond_HTC_WWE-ME_1.93.456.2_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.00.25.05_Ship.exe
SwiftBL-WWE-Diamond-ROM-v2-0
SwiftBL-Diamond-ROM-v3-0
When trying to sign into MSN Messenger I don’t even get to the “enter Name/PW” section, it simply says “There was a problem signing you into messenger. It may be the service or you may be in a place with bad reception. Please try again later”
When trying to add a mail client (hotmail) I enter my ID/PW and then it says it has found the settings for Hotmail. I press next and it says that again it cant connect
When trying to sign into Windows Live it says it cant connect
I have evoked IE and opera to ensure I have internet connection
If I turn on WIFI, all connect perfectly.
I have not only tried the different Roms, but also tried other versions of Windows live cabs with no luck
Can anyone help?

I've only tries the TLR rom but i have the same issue, cannot connect using GPRS or 3G but connects fine using Wifi or via ActiveSync. Im also on Tmob

its to do with T-Mobile, they have limited the connection you get when dialing from the handset.
I had the same problem. You can phone T-Mobile and see if they can sort it out for you.
Cheers,

re Phoning T-Mobile
I did phone T-Mobile, and they said its not to do with them. I used to have the MDA Compact III and that works with MSN etc, and if i turn that phone back on with my tmobile chip, it works, so guess it isnt T-Mobile, unless they can block specifc requests from specific phones?

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I did phone T-Mobile, and they said its not to do with them. I used to have the MDA Compact III and that works with MSN etc, and if i turn that phone back on with my tmobile chip, it works, so guess it isnt T-Mobile, unless they can block specifc requests from specific phones?
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i was having problems with my MDACIII, thats when i found out it was T-Mobile.... dont use 3G or GPRS anymore, just WiFi, so cant say if it happens on my Diamond...

I just had a fiddle around and i may have fixed this issue.
Settings - Connections - Connections - Click Manage existing connections - Proxy settings tab - Untick "this network uses a proxy"
I can now sync my hotmail fine.

Re Proxy / connection settings
wahoo - thats fixed it
Thanks alot James, i will no longer throw the phone out of the window
Excellent
Paul

Have a t-mobile mda compact iv(t-mobiles diamond version)you cannot do this fix on it because the internet connection is disabled by t-mobile from altering manual,it says it is preconfigured and manual setting is disabled.very clever of them
yeh
UPDATE
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/mobile/wl/download-en-us.mspx
just installed live messanger from this microsoft site(a new version just released) and it works a treat on the t-mobile compact iv(diamond).only problem no messanger is included,this wasnt a problem for me because i had a stand alone version i purchased a few years back,i installed it and it worked ok

ljames28 said:
I just had a fiddle around and i may have fixed this issue.
Settings - Connections - Connections - Click Manage existing connections - Proxy settings tab - Untick "this network uses a proxy"
I can now sync my hotmail fine.
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This did not work for me. In fact all my internet stopped working!
If anyone has he original proxy setting IP address kindly post it here for me.
That is UK T-Mobile proxy setting...

149.254.201.132
You can just redo the connection wizard also
Sure you didnt untick "This network connects to the internet"?

ljames28 said:
I just had a fiddle around and i may have fixed this issue.
Settings - Connections - Connections - Click Manage existing connections - Proxy settings tab - Untick "this network uses a proxy"
I can now sync my hotmail fine.
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This worked for me on ProjectDiamond rom. Had to switch to GPRS for setup, but switched back to 3g after and now it syncs fine.

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149.254.201.132
You can just redo the connection wizard also
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Yep, thats what i did after posting the message, then went off to do something else so didnt reply on the forum.
ljames28 said:
149.254.201.132
Sure you didnt untick "This network connects to the internet"?
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Nope, followed the instruction to the letter!
Also when I was using the standard T-Mobile ROM this following worked...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2422579&postcount=14
But now I’m using a custom ROM, I cannot get it to work...

Just a quick update, I too got it working!
You got to turn off 3G in the Comm manager, reset, then remove proxy setting, reset again, then syncronise via GPRS, then switch on 3G in the Comm manager, then reset then it should work!
You can probably reduce the number of soft resets, but that is what I did so left it in there...

As my hotmail and messenger is now working, im not going to fiddle with it. But if someone is still having issues could you try disabling HSUPA. Keep HSDPA enabled.
I know that I have disabled this somewhere along the way and it might be playing a factor in getting the above mentioned apps to work.
For people who have custom ROMs only it can be found in Settings > Connections > Advance Network Icon.
Post back here if you have any success for others to try...

Everything is working for me straightway whether it's the stock or the latest htc rom. I didn't have to fiddle with any settings.

I found this issue about 3 weeks ago, internet completely stopped working so i contacted T-Mobile and they said they were having issues and it would be fixed within a couple of hours, since it came back up some sites worked, some things wouldnt, my push email wouldnt work. Ended up unticking the proxies and it started working again perfectly have found i've had to do this with every ROM reflash so i think they perhaps have changed something at their end which is causing some issues.

i've been getting the same problems for about a month, funnily enough its only when boss changed account from normal to web and walk (had a 800 phone bill as thought wnw was enabled on the account already!)
tried disabling the proxy and it still fails sync'ing, the weird thing is that it does actually sync SOMETIMES.. ie i wake up in the morning and it has randomly synced once or something. so god knows what tmobile are up to

I have the MDA compact IV, Im using Dutty ROM V 1.5. had the same problem with MSN messenger and hotmail, contacted the T mobile support but they could not help me.
Now everything is working following just disabeling the proxy
But Im still not able 2 make the MSN 2 work on my laptop when I connect 2 the internet using the mobile phone! is there a fix for this problem?
when I try 2 connect I get this error: we were unable to sign u into windows live messenger, possibly because of a problem with your internet connection. please tru again later.
error code: 80072745

I don't know how it works on Windows but in Linux I have to transport MSN through HTTP mode when I'm connecting over T-Mobile . Is there a way to do that in Windows?

Similar issues here. When the proxy setting was enabled, I couldnt connect to either hotmail or gmail. When I disabled, gmail started working fine but so far I have only managed to sync with hotmail once!
I wish there was an easy fix for this because its a pain in the rear!

a-GPS or True GPS (No Internet Required)

I'm looking into getting the Tilt but I was wondering if the GPS is a-GPS or true standalone GPS. I have a Sprint Touch (Vogue) and I know the Mogul is the same way and its a-GPS and requires an internet connection to get the initial fix.
If I got the Tilt, I'm not sure if I would get the internet on the plan or not since most places I go would have WiFi access anyway.
This might be a deciding factor for me.
Thanks!

Well, the tilt already has a gps antenna in it. Thus you can install your favorite gps software. The initial fix can be faster with an internet connection, but not required. (Such as a handy tool called QUICKGPS, allows you to downloading the latest satellite data for a faster initial fix. Can be done via wifi, and is valid for about a week) It takes about 20 seconds to 1 minute for me to get a fix.
I too only use wifi and its more than enough!

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Well, the tilt already has a gps antenna in it. Thus you can install your favorite gps software. The initial fix can be faster with an internet connection, but not required. (Such as a handy tool called QUICKGPS, allows you to downloading the latest satellite data for a faster initial fix. Can be done via wifi, and is valid for about a week) It takes about 20 seconds to 1 minute for me to get a fix.
I too only use wifi and its more than enough!
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Thanks for the reply! I can easily download the data with WiFi and that should be enough for me.
Can you disable the internet connection so I don't accidently use it? Like a way to force it to use WiFi for internet instead of EDGE/3G?

Yeah you just have to make sure GPRS is not configured. There is also a few programs around like NODATA that turns it completely off, so you dont have to worry about it.

The easiest way I have found to stay out of an internet connection is:: Start/settings//connections/connections/manage existing connections: Tap and hold over connection for option to delete internet connection.
anytime something tries to connect it will prompt you to connect first. Also most cooks have connection setup wizard that runs when you first install ROM. You can safely cancel it with no problems. It is only for data connections.
Also you might want to make sure that MMS tests is off as well. I know I have friends who just had to send me pictures and could not figure I paid for it.
Most ROMs if you go into messaging then into sms\mms account to show you your inbox the menu has MMS options with a few check boxes. If you uncheck save sent messages it will prompt you for what messages you want or you can reject all messages. You will not be prompted it will just reject them automatically

psuarmy said:
The easiest way I have found to stay out of an internet connection is:: Start/settings//connections/connections/manage existing connections: Tap and hold over connection for option to delete internet connection.
anytime something tries to connect it will prompt you to connect first. Also most cooks have connection setup wizard that runs when you first install ROM. You can safely cancel it with no problems. It is only for data connections.
Also you might want to make sure that MMS tests is off as well. I know I have friends who just had to send me pictures and could not figure I paid for it.
Most ROMs if you go into messaging then into sms\mms account to show you your inbox the menu has MMS options with a few check boxes. If you uncheck save sent messages it will prompt you for what messages you want or you can reject all messages. You will not be prompted it will just reject them automatically
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Can I still get MMS over WiFi, or will I have to get people to send it to my AT&T email address?

mindfrost82 said:
Can I still get MMS over WiFi, or will I have to get people to send it to my AT&T email address?
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I don't believe that you can get MMS through WiFi.

Actually, the Mogul has a stand alone GPS chip in it as well... We have both a Tilt and Mogul here.,... no data plan on either.. and both GPS's are functioning using TomTom
mindfrost82 said:
I'm looking into getting the Tilt but I was wondering if the GPS is a-GPS or true standalone GPS. I have a Sprint Touch (Vogue) and I know the Mogul is the same way and its a-GPS and requires an internet connection to get the initial fix.
If I got the Tilt, I'm not sure if I would get the internet on the plan or not since most places I go would have WiFi access anyway.
This might be a deciding factor for me.
Thanks!
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