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I've only ever owned a MDA pro.... which i promptly wiped and setup with the Qtek ROM (mostly because the T-Mob ROM was crap and they seemed to update once every millennium).
So now i've got a vanilla HTC Kaiser, i was just wondering what HTC were like in terms of releasing new updated ROMS?
Reason i ask, is because im hoping some of the initial 'bugs' (GPS etc) will be fixed soon!
Pooper said:
I've only ever owned a MDA pro.... which i promptly wiped and setup with the Qtek ROM (mostly because the T-Mob ROM was crap and they seemed to update once every millennium).
So now i've got a vanilla HTC Kaiser, i was just wondering what HTC were like in terms of releasing new updated ROMS?
Reason i ask, is because im hoping some of the initial 'bugs' (GPS etc) will be fixed soon!
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I wouldnt worry about it, I have noticed some of the smart guys from the hermes forum already on here. If the kaiser is anything like the hermes I think we will be in for a treat real soon.
Official ROMs are more stable
Although I applaude their work, 3rd party ROMs are not great substitutes for official ROMs.
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Although I applaude their work, 3rd party ROMs are not great substitutes for official ROMs.
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I agree 100%. 3rd party ROMs are not great substitues for official ROMs, they are fantasic substitutes.They often are so much better. faster. more stable. more comprehensive. and have better unofficial support than Official ROMs. They are also fixed quicker and have new features added far quicker than any official ROM that I can think of.I'm sure on here we have got WM6 running on devices that were released with WM2003SE. With no official way to upgrade to WM6.Give me 3rd party ROMs everytime.
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I agree 100%. 3rd party ROMs are not great substitues for official ROMs, they are fantasic substitutes.They often are so much better. faster. more stable. more comprehensive. and have better unofficial support than Official ROMs. They are also fixed quicker and have new features added far quicker than any official ROM that I can think of.I'm sure on here we have got WM6 running on devices that were released with WM2003SE. With no official way to upgrade to WM6.Give me 3rd party ROMs everytime.
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When there's no official ROM to upgrade your WM build to the latest, third party ROMs come in real handy and I thank the enthusiasts for taking the time to provide us with these.
However that stuff you said about third party ROMs being more stable is total nonsense -- large corporations can afford to hire large groups of specialist developers and split tasks up amongst them. They don't produce ROMs as unstable as some of the ones I've seen around here, requiring you to follow steps to avoid certain basic functionality from breaking and what not.
Also, if that weren't enough, if things go wrong with third party ROMs and you need help from HTC or to return it for any other reason, you're screwed. So don't tell me they're fantastic substitutes for official software which is thoroughly tested (hence huge delays in getting them out the door) since the corporation's reputations rely on them.
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When there's no official ROM to upgrade your WM build to the latest, third party ROMs come in real handy and I thank the enthusiasts for taking the time to provide us with these.
However that stuff you said about third party ROMs being more stable is total nonsense -- large corporations can afford to hire large groups of specialist developers and split tasks up amongst them. They don't produce ROMs as unstable as some of the ones I've seen around here, requiring you to follow steps to avoid certain basic functionality from breaking and what not.
Also, if that weren't enough, if things go wrong with third party ROMs and you need help from HTC or to return it for any other reason, you're screwed. So don't tell me they're fantastic substitutes for official software which is thoroughly tested (hence huge delays in getting them out the door) since the corporation's reputations rely on them.
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Thats is why
a) You take a copy of the official rom on an SD card - you can pretty much restore to that at any time through the bios
I actually found the wizard 3rd party ROMS to be so much better than the tmobile roms it wasnt even remotely funny. The WS6 version was amazing.
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Thats is why
a) You take a copy of the official rom on an SD card - you can pretty much restore to that at any time through the bios
I actually found the wizard 3rd party ROMS to be so much better than the tmobile roms it wasnt even remotely funny. The WS6 version was amazing.
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I couldn't agree more... As it is an ODM's business to sell HARDWARE, the softwareside of things is mostly dropped pretty quickly cause there is no money to make there...
Although it is also true that a full developerteam can probably crank out a much better tweaked/more stable ROM, simply due to all the resources they have, like being at the source of hardware side of things.
Still problem remains that companies like HTC (and others) do NOT put their focus on updating software side of things, unless there is a major functionality-bug to be ironed out...
That really is a shame, but also understandable... So it's a good thing i guess that we've got xda-dev's for the brave among us who want to give the latest and greatest a spin...
Wanna be a bit behind, but on the safe side? Stay with HTC...it's a users choice
Hmmm i think i'll hold off the custom ROMs for the time being...!
hoping for 3g fix fast
Actually, I hope there is a ROM update soon, my 3g quit working here in the US, much like the rumored att 8925 delay problems. My phone function is useless most of the time unless I'm in a EDGE area. HTC US said not our problem, set me to HTC UK (I have a GB serial #). HTC UK has been unresponsive.... so much for service.... Anybody got a 8925 radio I can download?
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However that stuff you said about third party ROMs being more stable is total nonsense -- large corporations can afford to hire large groups of specialist developers and split tasks up amongst them. They don't produce ROMs as unstable as some of the ones I've seen around here, requiring you to follow steps to avoid certain basic functionality from breaking and what not.
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I take it that you have never used an AT&T/Cingular ROM (at least for the Hermes)... The Hermes Official ROMs (from Cingular/AT&T) are so overbloated and bug-ridden that you can't even call them stable...
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I take it that you have never used an AT&T/Cingular ROM (at least for the Hermes)... The Hermes Official ROMs (from Cingular/AT&T) are so overbloated and bug-ridden that you can't even call them stable...
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yeah you kind of beat me to the punch here but the AT&T/Cingular ROM that came on the 8525 was bloated and bug-ridden that i made cingular at the time replace the entire phone multiple times before i found this site (i was a total noob i know) flashed a new rom and no more problems out of it. i will be upgrading to the tilt within a month i hope
Hmmm, maybe i'm wrong but 3rd party ROMs can't be actually "better" than official ones for one simple reason: the guys cooking them take programs from official roms and put them in one compilation, tweak the registry, solve some rare problems, but they give us THE SAME PROGRAMS: when you see a new tab in HTC home, it's there because the devs at HTC put it there and disabled it (for some reason).
in some cases, like the prophet, who never had any official WM6 ROM, the guys giving us the ROM were a blessing, but i would rather tweak my device myself ( with the help of the same great guys making roms )
bottom line is: i see cooked ROMs as a way to quickly apply all performance/enhancement tweaks - considering they are not rewriting software, programs can't run better in that sense.
i hope i won't upset anyone, i'm just saying: if you're not lazy, tweak it yourself (again: except for the devices that have no updated official ROMs - that's where the cookers are GODS, giving us something we can NEVER have officially)
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I take it that you have never used an AT&T/Cingular ROM (at least for the Hermes)... The Hermes Official ROMs (from Cingular/AT&T) are so overbloated and bug-ridden that you can't even call them stable...
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I've always bought original HTC brand devices so I can't say I've had the pleasure of riding that bloated bug-ridden ROM you mention. However, I must point out that even though it's official, it's not from the manufacturers, it's a ROM released by the carrier. I'm pretty sure the manufacturer knows the hardware better than the carrier does and so would do a better job of producing a ROM.
My advice is to always use the HTC official ROMs if they're available for your re-branded phone. If not, then 3rd party ROMs should suffice, if carefully prepared.
Hey guys im new here, just have a few questions. So i've been doing some reading on flashing different roms to the TyTn. Whats the advantage of this? I just got my ATT Tilt a few weeks ago and dont wanna mess it up. Is there a performance benefit? Call quality? Different features. I hear about people loading the default htc rom. Is this better in any way than the one that ships with att? Thanks in advance.
Hi, Welcome aboard.
Actually, by my own (short) experience, using a cooked ROM, can be synonymous of performance benefit, increased call quality, different features, different aspect, functionality and a lot more… I recommend you to read some more things about in the specific thread of a ROM and compare it to the features of your shipped ROM…
But, firs of all, DO NOT FORGET TO READ:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
cheers
Some of the new roms on here are such a big difference from the factory rom that you'll feel like you've got a new phone, others are closer to the stock roms. I know everyone is always a little wary the first couple times of flashing (and bricking) their $400 phone, but in reality it's actually pretty safe (just don't do anything dumb with your computer or phone while it's in the process). If you looked at the amount of flashing that goes on in this forum vs. the amount of cases where a phone gets actually gets bricked I'm sure the results would say that flashing is successful 99.9% of the time and the other 0.1% is most likely due to hardware or user error. Long story short, flash your phone to whatever Dutty's latest is and you won't be disappointed!
I guess ill have to give this a try. considering my phone locks up enough to annoy me and calls drop lol. oh and I can barely hear the person on the other side cuz the volume sounds just too low. Im coming from the blackbery curve to this, I never had a dropped call. hopefully a new rom will cure some of my troubles.
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I guess ill have to give this a try. considering my phone locks up enough to annoy me and calls drop lol. oh and I can barely hear the person on the other side cuz the volume sounds just too low. Im coming from the blackbery curve to this, I never had a dropped call. hopefully a new rom will cure some of my troubles.
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Please let me know which ROM you go with, and how you like it. I'm in a similar situation to you, I just bought mine. I had an HTC Wizard (Cingular 8125) before, and did a lot of flashing on that, but haven't tried on the Tilt since it came stock with WM6 anyway I didn't initially see the point. Now I'm starting to hear of a lot of people liking these ROMs better.
I'm running Dutty's latest and let me be the first to say it is great. I have no problems whatsoever. It's faster, easier to use plus with a ton of mods to make life easier all the way around.
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I'm running Dutty's latest and let me be the first to say it is great. I have no problems whatsoever. It's faster, easier to use plus with a ton of mods to make life easier all the way around.
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Thanks! I'll have to try that out later on. It seems that one is the one everyone likes.
glad I could help.
Just to add another question, does anyone have any experience with different ROM "chefs?" I like Dutty's stuff so far, but I'm hearing things about a "Schaps" and some other chefs.
I'm not trying to pit them against each other (as I appreciate their contributions), but who's your favorite chef, and what is his/her best "dish?"
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Just to add another question, does anyone have any experience with different ROM "chefs?" I like Dutty's stuff so far, but I'm hearing things about a "Schaps" and some other chefs.
I'm not trying to pit them against each other (as I appreciate their contributions), but who's your favorite chef, and what is his/her best "dish?"
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i like schaps but i dont like the purple. other than that, no problems with it.
just a personal preference
I cant wait to start messing around with this stuff. Hopefully i stop dropping calls lol as well as gain performance.
Schaps makes good ROMs. But does not have a HTC phone so the support is not there. With the Kaiser i suggest a vanilla (clean) ROM and install the programs that you like to storage card. There is plenty of memory in this phone to do that you need.
Would you consider Dutty's "lite" ROMs to be "vanilla?" Or are you talking about stock ROMS?
Now I'm noticing that there's "XDA Live." Anyone want to explain that to me? Are there certain blokes on this forum who make "official" ROMs for this site?
Confused.
I'm running XDA-Live and it is most like the stock ATT ROM- Kyphur pretty much took the stock ATT ROM and stripped it bare, (vanilla ROM). Graphically it is not at all like Schaps/Dutty's etc. They are using the stock HTC ROM as a base with the huge clock and the HTC Home layout and icons. I personally don't like the visual layout of those ROMs and think that clock is taking up WAY to much valuable real estate. With XDA-Live you have alot of free storage and you can add anything back into it that you want. Really customizable.
Alemaker
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I'm running XDA-Live and it is most like the stock ATT ROM- Kyphur pretty much took the stock ATT ROM and stripped it bare, (vanilla ROM). Graphically it is not at all like Schaps/Dutty's etc. They are using the stock HTC ROM as a base with the huge clock and the HTC Home layout and icons. I personally don't like the visual layout of those ROMs and think that clock is taking up WAY to much valuable real estate. With XDA-Live you have alot of free storage and you can add anything back into it that you want. Really customizable. Alemaker
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How about Custel or Q-Mobile or Sleuth or Alex? Maybe I'll just post a survey...
Is it possible to go back to the stock ATT ROM. Ive had it with dropping calls freezing. Time to flash this thing.
Stock ROM date
I love the ROMs being cooked up here on these forums.
However, before flashing any of the ROMs, I now believe a little research is important. For example, I bought a TyTn II just this week, and its stock ROM shows a date of Oct 29, 2007. Whereas the latest Dutty ROM from December 12 shows a base date of Aug 28, 2007. Thus important official changes from HTC could be lost by flashing to a ROM with an base date earlier than the officially released ROM.
Is there any place where ROM wizards post a ChangeLog in a sticky thread? There's all kinds of new ROM threads floating around, and it's hard for a noob to figure out which version of which ROM to use.
I actually loaded Dutty's latest rom, and my phone is extrememly stable right now. Havent dropped a call, calls have better quality and are louder. Phone moves much faster as well. VERY happy with my phone that i was about to use as a paperweight yesterday. lol.
What is Dutty's latest rom?? Never even heard of it lol link?
Wow. Unbelievable how many threads are opened with problem with the newly released ROM at HTC-e Club. I downloaded my version too from that site the moment I saw announcement here. First of all, I did not get a mail from HTC at all, should have liked that in the first place.
I decided not yet to install. Luckily a good decision it seems according to that huge list of complaints.
Normally a forum is always only full of complaints, no one is posting when all things a good (enough), so that is not surprising me at all.
But of all users that installed this new ROM version, aren't there any people who are satisfied? That is what I was wondering. So just leave you name and a message here if all works well, so I can be convinced to also try this new version myself.
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Apart from a few complaints that I had, I think that there are actually many things that are improved, for example the graphics when you turn portrait to landscape...and this is a remarkable one. And also, you are able to 'zoom in' in the latest Internet Explorer (WM6.1 standard one).
i was happy user with WM 2003, and later with WM2003 SE, and later with WM5, and later with WM6, and now with WM6.1... so you can say i'm a happy user in general i beleave you can be a happy user with any Mobile OS... i beleave is a choice...
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Very happy here. I'm running the official 6.1 ROM with the accompanying HTC SPL (overwriting the Hard SPL I used previously, as mine is a Vodafone branded phone) and it's far more responsive device - no more pauses or missed button presses, very little waiting around generally, and certain tasks like browsing files are markedly quicker. The new features (threaded SMS and improved IE) are good, having the camera and bluetooth fixes in ROM is worthwhile, and the whole package just feels like a much better, snappier device.
If I had to criticise it on anything, I'd say that at times the GPS can be slower to get a lock on - but then, at other times, it seems very quick - so I probably need to test that some more.
Im pretty happy myself
especially when I go from portrait to landscape
it loads up the screen real fast.
Found no grounds for complaints as of now (4 days and counting). Using the SWE version of the official update.
Happy user here!
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Im pretty happy myself
especially when I go from portrait to landscape
it loads up the screen real fast.
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same here.
me happy 2
Yes I confim being happy by the new official 6.1 release from HTC ... I was never happy with any cooked rom except with only one 2003 rom I had to cook it myself to add certain applications I didn't want to loose them with hard reset ...
with so much due respect to all gurus and chefs here, but playing with the core components and registry tweaks are not gauarnteed to hold against all types of applications a user may decide to install later ... actually this is the main reason for most of complaints.
I only didn't like the new threaded sms, but it's only a matter of small tweak .. but all the rest is so fine for me.
After about 3 flashes. a lil bit contented... but not happy.
The only reason i stick with this official rom is because i am kind of a purist, there are other very good roms from various cooks on this forum. But i prefer this one becasue its just generic* and i consider it pure from the manufacturer without person tweaks as a result of peoples personal preferences.
Sorry, I'm NOT happy with the latest official HTC 6.1 ROM.
BUT, I'm running udK's Vega R0 WM6.1 ROM for weeks, and I'm very happy with that one!
I'm very happy with the original release! It's working very fast here.
My screen flips very fast too.
But if you were to try the HTC rom with the HTC SPL your opinion might change!
Personally, I think, like Boingg, that the new ROM is great PROVIDED you re-install the HTC SPL.
As another person also said, there are some very good cooked ROM's here, but while they introduce some speed/performance improvements, they can also introduce their own bugs. One cook in particular seems intent on providing quantity over quality by uploading a new ROM seemingly every hour - always amuses me when I read the responses, like 'What a great rom, I am wetting myself its sooooooo good!! - By the way, here's a list of the bugs I found' (This isn't a direct quote, but you get the idea!!). I think at the end of day that the ROM that has been designed for a particular device will always be better than one that has been manhandled from elsewhere - although some of the ported ROM's do get pretty close, there is always some niggle or other.
Anyway, I will stop rambling.... yes I am happy with the HTC ROM but I reserve the right to re-flash at any time!
I'm using the WWE version and am happy with it so far.
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I'm very happy with the original release! It's working very fast here.
My screen flips very fast too.
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lol ... it draws in the background and displays it latter
no not fast actually... same speed about 2~5 seconds depends @cache (I think)
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Wow. Unbelievable how many threads are opened with problem with the newly released ROM at HTC-e Club. I downloaded my version too from that site the moment I saw announcement here. First of all, I did not get a mail from HTC at all, should have liked that in the first place.
I decided not yet to install. Luckily a good decision it seems according to that huge list of complaints.
Normally a forum is always only full of complaints, no one is posting when all things a good (enough), so that is not surprising me at all.
But of all users that installed this new ROM version, aren't there any people who are satisfied? That is what I was wondering. So just leave you name and a message here if all works well, so I can be convinced to also try this new version myself.
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Do you plan on doing something with this data/poll/etc....
Or is this a venting thread
This is a developer's forum .... not tech support or customer service
The purpose of this forum is to develop
If you've been around these devices for a while, you'll know that factory ROMz are the worst. Page Pools are set low, they contain alot of unwanted bloatware for compaines to brand their devices and as a result of this, storage space is low.
These ROMz however, provide a base for devlopers to work with. These are the ROMz that 95% of us have on our devices. On that note, we should be thankful that ROMz are updated by manufacturers....beacuase, again it provides raw materials to work with.
Try joining a manufacturer or carrier forum where thoughts & concerns of the ROMz in question can be viewed by representatives of the manufacturers.
Rom behavior:
There's no such thing as a perfect ROM. Some work better than others. What works good for me on my device may not work for you....
Factory or Cooked
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Development is the name of the game. Move the thread to Walala land
And no, you should not be fooled feling "happy" with a glimp of possibilities provided by HTC. Nice quote "raw materials".
(and believe me, I DO know how they "develop" @ HTC here. They still learn from our own chefs (from outside the mouth of the horse)
I am Glad to see the WWE Official version out now.
Now that the Official version is out I will wait for our resident cooks to make a good rom out of it. Since the first day I got the Tilt I Hard SPL'ed it and got rid of the AT&T bloat and flashed a Schaps rom. I did try the new WWE from HTC but had some problems with it but I didn't take the time to try a different radio. So I am sure with the correct radio it would have been better then the one it came with. Depending on where you live your carrier and the service offered in your area have a lot to do with what radio works best. At least that has been my experience. But the one thing I know that is I seem to prefer the cooked roms if they use an official base. So I will wait and hopefully Schaps will be releasing soon. Thats my 2 cents!
Ed...
happy user, but could be happier.
'I am a flasher and proud of it!' oops that it wasn't meant to come out like that.
I have always flashed my HTC devices with cooked roms, the reason is the great chefs iron out bugs that the official HTC devs maybe didn't have time (or the ability?) to do. This makes them generally more stable and faster, however i have never been with a device at the beginning, meaning when the cooking first starts.
So far with the HD i have been underwhelmed by the current crop of cooked roms, this considering we have such amazing chefs on here such as Dutty and Laurentius to name 2. I have found all of them unstable slow and unresponsive so much so that i have re-flashed the shipped rom.
i want to know is this just because we are at the beginning with this device or is it that maybe it was an optimised rom in the first place?
I don't want to insult any of the chefs, these are the very people who have sorted and made so many of my phones fantastic. Furthermore i have nothing but respect for anyone willing to share their work with a stranger, this is a genuinely honest question.
have you tried all the ROMs available
i had the same impressions as you about stability
or my phone just did not like them
but then i tried "a Touch of HD" by kwbr
awesome clean fast and stable ROM,
it doesn't need to be updated every few days because of bugs,
because it doesn't throw everything in (a ton of 3rd party apps), but it's also NOT anemic (very close to stock).
anyway i'm happy but the point is maybe try a few other ROMs
to find the one that suits you and your phone
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anyway i'm happy but the point is maybe try a few other ROMs
to find the one that suits you and your phone
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i will try that rom next time i have time to re flash. The main problem i have and i'm sure many other people have is my phone is a busy phone and i just don't have the time to keep trying roms. Your advice is good specific advice which is hard to find when sifting through massive rom threads!
A question, do you think that the cooked roms have improved the performance of the HD?
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'I am a flasher and proud of it!' oops that it wasn't meant to come out like that.
I have always flashed my HTC devices with cooked roms, the reason is the great chefs iron out bugs that the official HTC devs maybe didn't have time (or the ability?) to do. This makes them generally more stable and faster, however i have never been with a device at the beginning, meaning when the cooking first starts.
So far with the HD i have been underwhelmed by the current crop of cooked roms, this considering we have such amazing chefs on here such as Dutty and Laurentius to name 2. I have found all of them unstable slow and unresponsive so much so that i have re-flashed the shipped rom.
i want to know is this just because we are at the beginning with this device or is it that maybe it was an optimised rom in the first place?
I don't want to insult any of the chefs, these are the very people who have sorted and made so many of my phones fantastic. Furthermore i have nothing but respect for anyone willing to share their work with a stranger, this is a genuinely honest question.
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I am very critical mate and I felt the same tried most which I found better than the shipped ROM I had from Orange for various reasons but speed seemed average until I tried Davideuck V3 - it feels so darn responsive I thought I had a new phone! Of course that is my view and others may say different but hey.
Hard reset after flashing (woops that can sound a little dodgy too depends how twisted your mind is...)
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from stock?
most definitely!
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I am very critical mate and I felt the same tried most which I found better than the shipped ROM I had from Orange for various reasons but speed seemed average until I tried Davideuck V3...)
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I tried that rom and found it a little sluggish, ie missed calls because of lack of responsiveness, i also had trouble installing Igo8. That rom is was the first that made me think the cooked roms where getting somewhere but then it still felt too buggy?
I need it to be stable.
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Hard reset after flashing (woops that can sound a little dodgy too depends how twisted your mind is...)
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Flashing is a dodgy business!
Im still using duttys 1.5, before that tried few but i found this most stable and fast. I wouldnt swap back to stock anymore.
So faaast this is :> waiting 1.8 version to come if theres some new shiny things. 1.6 and 1.7 werent so high priority so didnt update to those.
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Im still using duttys 1.5, before that tried few but i found this most stable and fast. I wouldnt swap back to stock anymore.
So faaast this is :> waiting 1.8 version to come if theres some new shiny things. 1.6 and 1.7 werent so high priority so didnt update to those.
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My first cooked rom was Duttys 1.7 and i found it no faster, more buggy and less stable than my original rom.
Have flashed touch of HD this morning and really hope that i can tell the difference. SO far i am still not convinced!
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My first cooked rom was Duttys 1.7 and i found it no faster, more buggy and less stable than my original rom.
Have flashed touch of HD this morning and really hope that i can tell the difference. SO far i am still not convinced!
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try davideucks v3.. it really convinced me
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I tried that rom and found it a little sluggish, ie missed calls because of lack of responsiveness, i also had trouble installing Igo8. That rom is was the first that made me think the cooked roms where getting somewhere but then it still felt too buggy?
I need it to be stable.
Flashing is a dodgy business!
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I respect your point of view but, from my point of view I can't think that there's no difference between cooked and shipped roms. Before starting to cook my rom, I've tried the dutty one too, and the difference with the official one is consistent. And I think this is the same for all cooked roms here. Obviusly some are much stable, others not, but you can simply try them and chose the best for you.
After this, excuse me, but what version of IGO8 are you using??
I've IGO v8.3.2.64029 and works perfect on mine device, and I think I'm not the only one, other people have wrote that IGO runs well on mine rom.
Then, you could simply post in my thread and even you would have gotten useful suggestions
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After this, excuse me, but what version of IGO8 are you using??
I've IGO v8.3.2.64029 and works perfect on mine device, and I think I'm not the only one, other people have wrote that IGO runs well on mine rom.
Then, you could simply post in my thread and even you would have gotten useful suggestions
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Sorry mate, i agree with you totaly should have posted this on your thread and will do now. I did think your rom was the best i'd tried actually, really liked the look of the rom as well. I have IGO8 8.1 something something. It wouldn't install, it started then just ended. I had this problem on another rom as well.
My point is that hte cooked roms are good, and some i've tried like yours are very good. Just i've noticed in alot of the cooked roms have issues with stability, sluggishness unresponsiveness etc which were't in the shipped rom.
My feeling on it are that the shipped rom was a pretty good starting point and unlike (for example) the Kaiser, the HD as an End user device is pretty much there (video isuues beside).
Just to reiterate this isnt in any way an insult to any of the cooks that grace XDA devs. You really are doing superb stuff!!
Always remember to hard reset after flashing, that could have some effect.
No idea how you cant see it but every game, touchflo, movies work waay better with proper custom roms like duttys and laurentius.
Couldnt watch some movies properly before flashing now every movie and video clip work smooth and not dropping frames or lagging sound.
I must admit that flashing cooked rom for Diamond seem to have more advancement in feature/speed/stability compared to the HD at this moment.
I'm currently flashing HD back to the stock rom from Dutty's 1.7. Dutty's rom wasn't bad, just it seems that the stock rom isn't shabby enough to make the change as of today.
jonathanguu said:
I must admit that flashing cooked rom for Diamond seem to have more advancement in feature/speed/stability compared to the HD at this moment.
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You may be forgetting something important.. The Diamond has less memory to start with in the first place, so making a cleaner ROM for it can fix this problem by removing unimportant stuff. As for the HD, if I get 30-something percent of occupied memory when it WM is fully loaded - there's much less to be fixed...
At first with the Kaiser, the cooked roms were only a small improvement on the stock. But over time they just kept getting better and better as more problems were solved and more features added.
The HD is still quite new, but some great features like Flash in IE & opera, are starting to make a big difference between the stock & cooked roms.
I'm sure with more time the cooked roms will get incrementally better an better.
Shame a chef can't cook in a hardware keyboard for the HD!
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At first with the Kaiser, the cooked roms were only a small improvement on the stock. But over time they just kept getting better and better as more problems were solved and more features added.
The HD is still quite new, but some great features like Flash in IE & opera, are starting to make a big difference between the stock & cooked roms.
I'm sure with more time the cooked roms will get incrementally better an better.
Shame a chef can't cook in a hardware keyboard for the HD!
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Yeah the HD is really new, the cooks and helpers are often getting ideas and apps from the Diamond forum. We'll catch up in time.
Cooking a hard keyboard into the ROM would be nice, but it sounds like black magic cooking!
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At first with the Kaiser, the cooked roms were only a small improvement on the stock. But over time they just kept getting better and better as more problems were solved and more features added.
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This is what i really wanted to know, i didn't get the kaiser until it had been out for 4-5 months.
I have been using the touch of HD rom for the last couple of days, it does seem smoother and is definatly stable. Got some time now so will put it through its paces.
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my experience: with the trinity and the wizard, the limitations of the hardware were so stringent (ROM, CPU, drivers, GPS!) that tuning introduced very significant improvements. For example, my stock ROM was hiding the GPS, that appeared through cooked ROMs!!!!
The touch HD has a much more mature hardware, and it is born with the same windows mobile version we are all using. So, it is not surprising that available cooked rom, few months after its commercial release, are not so different in performances from the stock rom. In particular, REMOVING applications has a much less effect on the touch HD, since finally memory is not on the critical path...
Said this, i do feel that some cooked roms are faster than others, and some other ROMs are better tweaked but essentially stock roms. I can speak about my ROM: I changed the theme and tuned some settings, but it is essentially a stock ROM (latest release, but stock touch HD ROM). Other cooks have been able to introduce and experiment new features (drivers, pagepool) and, in my opinion, did a visible job in improving the basic performances. In this moment, i have to admit i am happily running DavideUck V3 and i have no problem in recognizing it is faster than the stock ROM 1.14 delivered with my HD.
Concerning stability, i have absolutely no issues with it. And yes - don't confuse radio roms with OS: radio ROM do introduce visible benefits also - but they are never cooked YET...
well i think all the chefs try and out do each other to a degree. (i mean no disrespect and some competition is good keeps them on there feet) they all want to cook the latest apps, radios and o/s builds and release first this means that they dont always get tested as well as they used to (hence slow buggy etc as theve being rushed and released for the hell of it). I and others had all these problems with the athena at the begining the 1st cooked rom for the device had obvious bugs like no sms ability or no incoming calls. and this was from a respected member of this community. i know excitement gets the better of all of us and id rather have some crap roms than no choice at all but with the current hardware i think its best to cook your own roms with a known stable rom as the base and cook in what you need or taken progs out.
Saying that ive not got around to cooking yet, I'm too lazy, but deffo ther best way forward
TOO MANY COOKS SPOIL THE BROTH
Cooking your own rom is indeed advantageous but i really haven't got the time. The chefs know what to take out and what to leave from experience learned over time i guess.
I do agree there is a tendancy to upload cooked roms before testing which i suppose is the point, let the people test and suggest! What we need is a thread which post 'finished' or 'perfected' rom series's then score each on multimedia, business, lite, heavy, speedy, stable etc, people who've used the roms can then mark each point out of 5. This will give a better picture of what each rom is about.
It can be an absolute night mare sifting through rom threads to get a flavour of the rom.
There is a 'rom of the month thread' which is irrelevant for many as it depends on what you like on your rom, says nothing for the roms specifics and character.
Might look into creating such a beast, any points you think should a rom should be marked on maybe you could list?
Hope this made sense
Okay, so I finally gave up my Wizard for Tmo's Touch Pro 2. I had a cooked rom on my Wizard that was bare-bones but wicked stable and fast. I am a mom who has to juggle PTA, games and other social activities with doc appointments and banking, etc...I want a rom that is responsive, fast, crazy stable, good on battery life and without a lot of bells and whistles. I prefer to add the apps I need and leave the rest behind. What custom rom would you suggest for me? I have read the various tutorials about unlocking and flashing the Rhodium, and am not new to using cooked rom...just new to the device. Also if there any tricks to make using the device better/fun, I'd love to hear them. Thank you for you advice, and I hope to become a contributor in this section, and get to know all of you here.
A moment of silence please while I lay my Wizard to rest... *taps plays in the background*
akashastrega said:
]I want a rom that is responsive, fast, crazy stable, good on battery life and without a lot of bells and whistles.
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energyROM 21869 with manila 2.1 is your best bet... stay away from the newer 6.5.1 builds. i do like flashing the newest and checking it out, but stable is where its at and the 21869 builds have been refined for quite a while now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=585403
This is the ATT Rom that got stretched out to the bare bones and got optimized by speed.
The chief has some cabs in there that will optimize it even more.
-I suggest putting on the cab to disable push for internet because you free up 10MB of RAM.
-And then install the 3G coverage in the comm manager so you can disable 3G when you are not using it. This will up the batter life.
My RAM with nothing running ranges from 55 to 60 percent.
Good to know, I appreciate the responses and welcome any input anyone else has to offer. Thank you again for the help.
My usual response....ROM is personal choice, it all depends on what you install in your phone, and what you use your phone for! Best choice will be read and flash...
as ndn715 said, id recommend Energy's 'photon' ROM. Fast reliable but with a hint of class
The 'Leo' version of this ROM is a lot more buggy and i found it bogs down a bit, being because it was originally designed for the Leo with a much faster processor
ai6908 said:
My usual response....ROM is personal choice, it all depends on what you install in your phone, and what you use your phone for! Best choice will be read and flash...
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Thank you...and I do understand that. I was just trying to find a jumping off point so that I don't blow through 50 roms that have too much junk on them when what I want is pretty vanilla. It seems that the Photon rom seems to be the one to start off with and go from there...and reading about the rom, and the chef, it seems that it has been tested specifically for speed and stability which is really important to me.
My next question is this...there does not seem to be a dedicated wiki for this...or perhaps I have somehow managed to miss it...but before I flash my phone, I'd love to get a copy of Tmo's stock rom. Since Tmo has changed their website, I am not finding a stock rom (as I was able to do years ago with my Wizard)...so does anyone have a copy of Tmo's stock rom? This way if I need to exchange the phone for any reason, it is not completely obvious that I voided my warranty by modifying the phone.
Again, I appreciate everyone's input and welcome and thank you for any future advice that can be offered.
Welcome!
Before you give the Proton ROM a run (excellent choice btw), you might like to take a look at this one too http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572938
There's a light version that might suit your needs - I run the full vesrion and it hasn't missed a beat.
Happy flashing!
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energyROM 21869 with manila 2.1 is your best bet... stay away from the newer 6.5.1 builds. i do like flashing the newest and checking it out, but stable is where its at and the 21869 builds have been refined for quite a while now.
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no.. download EnergyROM Nov. 8th (21864/WM6.5/TF2.1).. its better OTB
cr1960 said:
Welcome!
Before you give the Proton ROM a run (excellent choice btw), you might like to take a look at this one too http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572938
There's a light version that might suit your needs - I run the full vesrion and it hasn't missed a beat.
Happy flashing!
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hehe i second this one
but yea, biases aside! rom is personal choice... i do have to close the thread as there are many many roms you can go through and find the best for you.
@akashastrega i wish you the best and hope you find a rom that fits you, ship me a pm if your still in the mood for coockin your own roms i got a kitch for ya to try
Peace,
Josh