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Optimum Video settings for Kaiser/Tilt?

I've got a Tilt and recently copied over some movies that I had for my Blackjack and my Curve. For whatever reason, with TCPMP, they don't look nearly as good on my phone. There's a lot more noise in the picture with artifacts and pixelation, etc., plus the picture is not very smooth... low FPS I'm guessing.
I'm going to re-encode all of these but I'd like to get some opinions on what the best video bit-rate, fps, audio bit-rate would be for this. I was doing 320x240 at around 220Kbps, 24FPS and 64Kbps for audio. What should I increase/decrease?
Thanks!

Welcome to the multimedai hell of the Kaiser/Tilt
Your problem probably is the same problem we all have with the Kiaser/Tilt displaying video. The drivers are not available for smooth smooth video display, neither in games nor multimedia.
You may try to tweak your source media using diff bitrates etc, I have done so, and even then experience tearing, lockups, pixelation, and tons of dropped frames.
I encourage you to sign the petition asking HTC to fix this problem here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342500
Otherwise, even the best tweaking and re-transcoding of the source media does not help much at all as far as I can see.

If you encode at 320x240 with audio at 96k or 128k with a total bitrate under 500k it will play great on Kaiser with TCPMP. I've encoded at this rate for Archos boxes and ViPods and my vids look good and play well on all.

Thanks for the feedback! I'll try that out and cross my fingers...

I tried video podcasts downloaded from iTunes. These are in MPEG4 format and when played with the builtin PMP10, audio and video are not in sync. It really takes the joy out from the experience when you can't just download the video files directly to your Kaiser but have to re-encode them on a PC first.

Yeah I was quite surprised to find how unimpressive the playback was. I came from in iPhone, then a Blackjack, and lastly a Curve. They all seemed to play video pretty well and what's odd is that the Blackjack was one of the best - with WM5... go figure...
IMHO nothing can beat the iPhone in video playback quality but since I need a few other things in my phone, I had to ditch it.

For a $750 phone, its pretty disappointing that my T680 can do a better job of displaying a video than the kaiser. I just signed that petition and hopefully something will be done about this.
Wonder if the other HTC's have the same problem. Or this is just an isolated case with the kaiser?

Prolab said:
For a $750 phone, its pretty disappointing that my T680 can do a better job of displaying a video than the kaiser. I just signed that petition and hopefully something will be done about this.
Wonder if the other HTC's have the same problem. Or this is just an isolated case with the kaiser?
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The problem is only related to phones that have the Qualcomm 7200 CPU, which is the kaiser, touch dual and maybe the touch cruise, the dual plays videos very badly to and even dragging solitaire cards around the screen it's very stuttery
My original touch however does everything very smoothly using it's 201mhz omap 850 cpu, can play videos with bitrates up to 600k without stuttering
HTC need to get these bloody drivers out

Best TCPMP configuration

Hi.
I'd like to know which settings result in the best video playback on the TyTN II.
Forgive me if this is posted somewhere else, but I could not find it when searching.
I'm running WM 6.1 Sleuth 3.0 with TCPMP 0.81.

How about the best settings for Coreplayer as well. Also running Sleuth 3.0. Sleuth any comments, you seem to have Coreplayer as well.

Jckf said:
Hi.
I'd like to know which settings result in the best video playback on the TyTN II.
Forgive me if this is posted somewhere else, but I could not find it when searching.
I'm running WM 6.1 Sleuth 3.0 with TCPMP 0.81.
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There is no best settings!
It's all about how you rip your movies!!
Have you ever heard the phrase, "Garbage in, Garbage out"
If you start out with a quality file, you won't need TCPMP to enhance or make it better.
All my movies are .avi and I use Clone DVD Mobile to rip them. Personally, I haven't had any issues playng movies with TCPMP or CORE Player.
All my settings are default

I'm copying videos that are not converted in any special way to play back good on mobile devices.

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dwny said:
There is no best settings!
It's all about how you rip your movies!!
Have you ever heard the phrase, "Garbage in, Garbage out"
If you start out with a quality file, you won't need TCPMP to enhance or make it better.
All my movies are .avi and I use Clone DVD Mobile to rip them. Personally, I haven't had any issues playng movies with TCPMP or CORE Player.
All my settings are default
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guys what dwny said is right .....but also you can search online for any dvd to ipod (zune) program and it will work as good also!!

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SO far I noticed 2 things that effected quality of video.
I ripped 2 avi with different settings.
Video A was in 320x240 (cropped), 26fps
Video B was in 512x384 (unedited), 29fps
1) Video A played smoothly throughout. Audio lag was evident after about 1.5 hrs. Otherwise very watchable. Thus I figured 26fps is max for the Kaiser.
2) The video B skipped and dragged. Audio stayed in sync. When I selected TCPMP to play video B in full original size (overlapping the screen) it played smoother. Thus I figure that resizing is too much for the cpu of the Kaiser so when you encode, select 320x240.
fyi, audio was mp3 128kbps, 44000 on both.
I should specify what I mean by full original size.
Options --> Zoom ---> 100%
Also should specify I mean "when encoding select 320x240" MAXIMUM which will reduce the load on the cpu for video resizing.

You know, sometimes, you just happens to have badly ripped (poorly, or improperly or whatever but someone else did it and you don't have control) video but would like to watch it.
So, looking for better settings to improve the viewing.....
Latest video codec? audio codec? cache? how to set it? Where to get it from?........

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SO far I noticed 2 things that effected quality of video.
I ripped 2 avi with different settings.
Video A was in 320x240 (cropped), 26fps
Video B was in 512x384 (unedited), 29fps
1) Video A played smoothly throughout. Audio lag was evident after about 1.5 hrs. Otherwise very watchable. Thus I figured 26fps is max for the Kaiser.
2) The video B skipped and dragged. Audio stayed in sync. When I selected TCPMP to play video B in full original size (overlapping the screen) it played smoother. Thus I figure that resizing is too much for the cpu of the Kaiser so when you encode, select 320x240.
fyi, audio was mp3 128kbps, 44000 on both.
I should specify what I mean by full original size.
Options --> Zoom ---> 100%
Also should specify I mean "when encoding select 320x240" MAXIMUM which will reduce the load on the cpu for video resizing.
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Why wouldn't you just encode it to the natural screen size, and why wouldn't it having to resize bigger rips slow it down?
This is a pretty strange post.. Walking a mile is easier than running a mile. Walking a mile with nothing on your back is easier than walking a mile with Yoda on your back.
Common sense

Coreplayer 1.2.1 With Youtube Integration is OUT !!!

Hello,
The new core player 1.2.1 with youtube integration is OUT !!!
Go to Mobihand and enjoy.
Private69.
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Great news thanks

As core player does not have a trial, and is pretty expensive, could you do some screen shots of this feature?
Surur

just check out the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRNkuEfx7j4

Cool. Thanks. Pretty nice. Looks like I will be shelling out, after refusing to pay for software without a trial for more than a year now.
Anyway, any way to get core player to play .flv files saved from YouTube. I know it does not support it natively, but I wonder if there is a hack or not.
Surur

Youtube integration works like a charm but trying to use H.264 for streaming (highest quality) makes me lose ~75% of the frames.
I dunno I guess I didn't expect it to be perfect but it's totally unwatchable. The medium settings works fine but looks worse than the flash video bundle with tcpm. (The actual interface is retty nice though a bit unresponsive and it doesn't always bring up the video when clicking a video, thus making you have to change "view" to see the actual video. pretty annoying.)

That youtube integration looks kinda slick.

I have core player, and am very happy with how it plays the videos I have on my storage card. It's clearer and sharper than WMP or TCPMP.
I don't have the you tube integration yet. What advantage does it have over TCPMP? Does it upload faster, or play the videos better? Sounds like undac didn't find the quality to be all that great.

Gibbs said:
I have core player, and am very happy with how it plays the videos I have on my storage card. It's clearer and sharper than WMP or TCPMP.
I don't have the you tube integration yet. What advantage does it have over TCPMP? Does it upload faster, or play the videos better? Sounds like undac didn't find the quality to be all that great.
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eeks, h.264 youtube LOOKS great, but as undac pointed out...it's unwatchable... dropped-frame city...
medium setting RUNS great but looks bad...
so still flash video player and tcpmp for quality youtube...
if you just wanted to watch a video asap and didn't mind the quality, well medium setting core player would work ...

I tried the new version and really like the YT interface. I played several videos via WiFi and 3G and saw good results, video's only dropped about 5 frames in 2,500 pretty consistant with both radios with h.264's and zero frames with MPEG4s.
To select videos, I pressed the "i" icon on the right of each video, then in the larger info screen, pressed the play icon. Worked every time and seemed pretty responsive as well.
Edit, Oops, that was with the stock settings (Medium), when I changed the network setting for YT to high quality, the Kaiser chokes as reported. It played 101 frames and dropped 1515! Is this strictly a Kaiser/Tilt missing video driver issue??? and other PDA's function with this setting??

Just tested several H.264 Videos over wifi. 10000k frames played 400 dropped - frame rate 25.68. Thats pretty acceptable to me.
Not sure why my is performing better than some. Yes I did check to make sure it was h.264 High.

any1 have the cab for this? I know its not free I have purchased it but for some reason handago didnt provide me with the link for new version they still are selling the old one.

thesoulpoet said:
any1 have the cab for this? I know its not free I have purchased it but for some reason handago didnt provide me with the link for new version they still are selling the old one.
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I am sure they will have it soon enough. No warez posting is allowed here. Mobihand.com of course has it already and I have to say it really is working nice. Love the youtube interface and streaming is really flawless with hsdpa.

High quality (H264) YouTube playback over wifi on my HTC Advantage is virtually flawless in CP 1.2.1 - I have it set to use the ATI Imageon video decoder w/acceleration selected. Supposedly the ATI chip doesn't have the capability to do hardware acceleration of H264 but in CP 1.2 and 1.2.1 I get incredibly smooth playback of H264 video (not at 640x480 unfortunately).

Can anyone advise on optimum settings van CorePlayer?
YouTube doesn't look too good here either. Can anyone advise on the best video (and other) settings to use with CorePlayer 1.2.1 / TyTN II?

chezzorilla said:
YouTube doesn't look too good here either. Can anyone advise on the best video (and other) settings to use with CorePlayer 1.2.1 / TyTN II?
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I would just suggest you make sure under video settings you have the qtv option selected.

chezzorilla said:
YouTube doesn't look too good here either. Can anyone advise on the best video (and other) settings to use with CorePlayer 1.2.1 / TyTN II?
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The "default" setting for Youtube video's is the crappy 3gp mode
to get H.264 goto
menu -> tools -> preferences -> Network
and amend the "YouTube Format" to "h264 (High Quality)"
Also make sure
menu -> tools -> preferences -> video
has "video Output" set to "QTV Display" (I'd recommend setting it to GDI first, exit, restart, set to QTv, exist and then restart)
QTv mode has some quirks (it wont display some of my album art) but for video it's way better than GDI

Bratag said:
Just tested several H.264 Videos over wifi. 10000k frames played 400 dropped - frame rate 25.68. Thats pretty acceptable to me.
Not sure why my is performing better than some. Yes I did check to make sure it was h.264 High.
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bratag, can you post links to some youtube vids and your live benchmark on them over wifi at h.264?

I've only tested it a little and so far it seems great to me. Having Youtube integrated kicks ass. Here is a sample I tested:
with three bars on HSDPA and Youtube set to high quality...
Wolverine trailer
320X240 25 fps
1405 frames played
165 frames dropped
actual framerate 22.373
Im sure that larger pixel dimension files will drop more frames. But so far I am happy. This CoreCodec team is the heat. First the QTV overlay and now youtube. Props

It very much depends on the size of the youtube video. Anything over about 480x runs choppy. You have to go down to medium for that. But anything encoded at a lower size than that is fine

Really laggy video playback..

I've speed tweaked my X1, but it still has really choppy video playback.
I'm using Core Player 1.2.5, are there any settings I need to change for smooth playback?

maybe using coreplayer 1.3.2 will speed it up a little?

Can I upgrade from 1.2.5 to 1.3.2 free?
Also, I remember someone saying something about changing the settings on it to play it smoother..

Ib hate to be "Captain Obvious", but why don't you convert your files to mp4 and watch them with WMP. Coreplayer is not hardware accelerated.

though coreplayer is not hw accelerated, i could always watch movies on my xperia without converting any vids. Never had stuttering. i always watch movies when i have cold hands, since the xperia did a double duty as a heater.

This is reality for the Xperia.
Upgrading Coreplayer
"Trying" TCPMP (won't work)
Different ROMs (custom or updated stock)
NONE of them will work. NONE of them! People kept promising me these things might help; guess what, it didn't help AT ALL.
The fact of the matter is, is that Coreplayer, nor any other player on Xperia other than WMP (Windows Media Player) is hardware accelerated, so you will NOT get decent performance.
However, in order to watch on WMP, you must convert to MP4. What a major pain in the ass.
As I've stated before, this is by far the most critical drawback to all HTC/Xperia devices and I don't see myself purchasing another device similarly- based on this fact.

stisev said:
This is reality for the Xperia.
Upgrading Coreplayer
"Trying" TCPMP (won't work)
Different ROMs (custom or updated stock)
NONE of them will work. NONE of them! People kept promising me these things might help; guess what, it didn't help AT ALL.
The fact of the matter is, is that Coreplayer, nor any other player on Xperia other than WMP (Windows Media Player) is hardware accelerated, so you will NOT get decent performance.
However, in order to watch on WMP, you must convert to MP4. What a major pain in the ass.
As I've stated before, this is by far the most critical drawback to all HTC/Xperia devices and I don't see myself purchasing another device similarly- based on this fact.
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X2 is promising to have out-of-the-box xvid/divx support from media panel. I hope that they'll umitilize HW acceleration for these formats too. If so, maybe X1 will have that support in some new custom roms. Time will show.
But right now, either convert to mp4 and use WMP, or watch with lags (if it is a standard xvid/divx rip, played on coreplayer on high quality).

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X2 is promising to have out-of-the-box xvid/divx support from media panel. I hope that they'll umitilize HW acceleration for these formats too. If so, maybe X1 will have that support in some new custom roms. Time will show.
But right now, either convert to mp4 and use WMP, or watch with lags (if it is a standard xvid/divx rip, played on coreplayer on high quality).
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What does that mean? From media panel?
I. just. want. to. play. videos. using. Coreplayer. or TCPMP. like. my. 5 year old Dell Axim X51v!!!

i cant get a decent quality video to play on my xperia smoothly. Spent ages trying and just have given up now and since sony wouldnt help me at all i can assure them i wont be getting the x2

comeradealexi said:
i cant get a decent quality video to play on my xperia smoothly. Spent ages trying and just have given up now and since sony wouldnt help me at all i can assure them i wont be getting the x2
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Exactly. I had the same problem. What's even more bizarre is that some people (even some senior members) were telling me they had no problems. WTF? I mean, how is that possible. The lag is definitely there and noticeable!
I will vote with my money. The X1 is a godsend device. Thinner, bigger screen, get rid of optical and give a X51v-stye Dpad, better camera, image stabilization, real VGA recording, reasonable price, ATI video drivers and we have a winner!

As was said million times, only way how to play movies reasonably is to convert them and play using media panel or WMP.
Core player won't work except for very low bitrate movies, and for those lucky people who don't see every dropped frame as I do.

could i get a link to a really smooth wm4 converter and what is the best settings for smoothest playback?

royalbloodvi said:
could i get a link to a really smooth wm4 converter and what is the best settings for smoothest playback?
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It's on the first page..... Last "sticky" thread.....

am i able to convert thru my xperia, or only through pc?

Only on the PC. I am not aware of any coverters that work on the ppc itself. The processors of mobile devices haven't been fast enough for such a procedure, until recently.

i play wmv on WMP and it doesnt seem to be hardware accelerated. its laggy.

wmv is crap. Use MP4 as it has already been said in many threads !

The problem of video lag is only with video taken from camera.
But check my X1 (silver) and another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVCLTOLnOkI
The solution is R1a.
It take less ram (with same configuration) and has powerful performance with video (also scrolling menu etc).
But it needs to fix more thing, like radio, mxp (from r3 is better) etc.

so the top one is r1a?

Yes, R1a with R3a mxp.
Bottom is R3a with r3a mxp.
I try to port r1a driver into r3a, but video palyback is broken.
So the only way is reflash r1a firmware, and made some customization (like radio, camera etc).

[Q] NC: xvid, Rockplayer and quality?

Can anyone with a *rooted* NC tell us a bit about video quality on the device. Basically, I am curious about the capabilities to play "scene" quality xvid/classic divx materials. Ie conforming to specs.
I kind of guess that the processor would hold up, but I am not sure.
I am only interested in locally stored content, ie on sd card (for simplicity's sake, let's assume that we have a plain vanilla SDHC card).
Cheers,

My experience with Rock and other players except the standard one (and that was for MP4 only) has been less than stellar.
Like other users on here, I am getting audio-visual lag, leading to me having to pre-convert everything for the device in order to get a working copy. The lag is slight on AVI files and MKV files grind down to a slideshow while the audio stays straight on, leading me to believe that whatever back-end conversion is being done on-the-fly is killing the processor.
My guess is that once we have Froyo (or god willing, Gingerbread), we'll have much better MKV and AVI playback. Until then, I suggest conversion if you've got the time or Rockplayer if you don't mind a bit of lag on AVI files. Hope that helps!

An unrooted NC plays my AutoGk 480p rips in the built in player if you remux it into an .mp4 file with AAC audio.

I get lag also. Weird thing is if you stream a video from the twit app it looks really good and no lag at all.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App

Ok guys, great, I appreciate the info - thanks!!!

ThePettyTyrant said:
An unrooted NC plays my AutoGk 480p rips in the built in player if you remux it into an .mp4 file with AAC audio.
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This is something most people don't realize you can do. The video stream in an xvid/divx avi CAN be read by most mp4-friendly devices. But it's in a container they don't know how to read, and may have an auto track they can't read.
You can remux is with any one of a number of tools to drop it into an mp4 file without reencoding the video (and, depending on the source material, possibly reencoding the audio, which is super-fast on any modern machine).

Since the stock NC has no frame buffers enabled video performance will suffer ... when it is eventually enabled (it will be) performance should be good.

I was going to start a thread similar to this but more asking what format is best on the NC.
I've tried some standard xvids in rockplayer, and there is a slight lag on the audio. But enough that makes it annoying to watch.
When rockplayer first opens a video, I get a prompt on hardware or software decoding, I tried hardware and obviously that fails.
So does the NC support hardware assisted format? if so, what format exactly? What codec, bit rate limits, accepted resolutions etc. And not only for smoother playback, but I assume hardware assist would save (a lot?) on battery performance.
I used it encode a lot back in the day, using tmpgenc, virtualdub and avisynth, but I haven't touched any of that in ages. Has someone wrote a guide regarding this specific to the NC?

If you look at the Nook Color spec sheet, one of the supported video formats is H.264. I've gotten hardware-assisted playback of H.264 on my Nook - plays and looks great.
However!
The Nook only supports H.264 baseline profile. If you use Handbrake to encode, use the iPhone/iPod preset as a starting point. Then you can up the bitrate, resolution etc from there.
Another note: I've found the built-in player does not know about anamorphic ratios, so the videos are scaled incorrectly.

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So does the NC support hardware assisted format?
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Yes. Sort of.
The OMAP3621 does have dedicated video decoding hardware. Unfortunately, it's pretty well locked down by the manufacturer. You don't get access to the hardware without a license, which means most (all?) 3rd party players aren't going to be able to utilize it. It sucks, but it seems to be par for the course for smartphone/tablet chips these days.

Another note: I've found the built-in player does not know about anamorphic ratios, so the videos are scaled incorrectly.
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The OMAP3621 does have dedicated video decoding hardware. Unfortunately, it's pretty well locked down by the manufacturer. You don't get access to the hardware without a license, which means most (all?) 3rd party players aren't going to be able to utilize it. It sucks, but it seems to be par for the course for smartphone/tablet chips these days.
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Well, I was going to say I'll use rockplayer so I don't have to add borders or something to force aspect, but then I read no one else can access the hardware encoder and this is typical?!
Sigh.. It never ends the way they try and lock these devices down. This sure ain't the pc world (which it should be, but they are trying to get it 'right' this time.)
So you refer to the TI, is this also true of the Nook Color?
At any rate, I'll remuxing as suggested earlier in this thread to mp4 container. What the best (hopefully free/open source) remuxer these days?

I used YAMB but I don't know if something better exists. If you use YAMB, you'll have to convert any AC3 audio to AAC ahead of time. I didn't test if MP3 audio is supported.

Hopefully VLC will be ported to Android too, would seem to be a more "natural" fit than the iPad it currently runs on!

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Yes, very.
If it's any consolation, it's not the device manufacturers or android team that is to blame, it's the chip manufacturers. The SoC in the NC is made by TI, who licenses all the different cores they stick in their chips. In this case, the video decoding hardware is part of the SGX530 GPU core licensed from PowerVR. While TI pays for the right to use the core in their chips, any software dev who wants to actually take advantage of the decoding hardware has to pay PowerVR for the drivers that allow them to do so. It's pretty crappy from our perspective, but it is their IP so it's their prerogative. I'm sure the chip, device and software makers would all prefer to use open hardware, but there are not currently any open GPU cores out there. At least, none that come within a mile of the "locked down" ones.

The M4V fileformat plays awesome on the NC and the quality is exceptional even with smaller filesizes (370ish megs for a full length movie) No lag at all.
The player I use is: mVideoPlayer (Free)
search for “mVideoPlayer” without the quotes in the android market.
PS It can play most (if not all) formats supported by Android/NC.

OMAP 3621 has a C64x+DSP
The OMAP 3621 has a C64x+DSP. That should be usable for hardware video decoding. In fact I beleive that TI has made video codecs available for their DSPs in the past, and there was even a Google Summer of Code project to create a Theora codec for the DSP.
This TI page tells you that the 3621 has a C64x+DSP: http://newscenter.ti.com/Blogs/news...ers-costs-for-ebook-manufacturers-305022.aspx

Droidish said:
The M4V fileformat plays awesome on the NC and the quality is exceptional even with smaller filesizes (370ish megs for a full length movie) No lag at all.
The player I use is: mVideoPlayer (Free)
search for “mVideoPlayer” without the quotes in the android market.
PS It can play most (if not all) formats supported by Android/NC.
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I'll second that. mVideoPlayer is the best thing going, also does subtitles if you've got them (use same filename, eg. MyVid.m4v + MyVid.srt)
If you end up converting videos I have had success with Handbrake (nightly build) using the iPhone profile, 720px width, 2 ref frames. Video bitrate at 900kbps seems to be enough (650kbps for Pixar films).

I think the B&N website explicitly states that the hardware video decoder renders everything to 854x480 and upscales all video to fit the screen. If you're converting just for the NC, it might be a waste to go above that resolution.

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I'll second that. mVideoPlayer is the best thing going, also does subtitles if you've got them (use same filename, eg. MyVid.m4v + MyVid.srt)
If you end up converting videos I have had success with Handbrake (nightly build) using the iPhone profile, 720px width, 2 ref frames. Video bitrate at 900kbps seems to be enough (650kbps for Pixar films).
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Ah yeah about the subs... In mVideo If you long press on any movie in your list one of the options is to download subs for that movie (there are some other things hidden there as well). It doesn't always find them but the option is there.