I've got a Tilt and recently copied over some movies that I had for my Blackjack and my Curve. For whatever reason, with TCPMP, they don't look nearly as good on my phone. There's a lot more noise in the picture with artifacts and pixelation, etc., plus the picture is not very smooth... low FPS I'm guessing.
I'm going to re-encode all of these but I'd like to get some opinions on what the best video bit-rate, fps, audio bit-rate would be for this. I was doing 320x240 at around 220Kbps, 24FPS and 64Kbps for audio. What should I increase/decrease?
Thanks!
Welcome to the multimedai hell of the Kaiser/Tilt
Your problem probably is the same problem we all have with the Kiaser/Tilt displaying video. The drivers are not available for smooth smooth video display, neither in games nor multimedia.
You may try to tweak your source media using diff bitrates etc, I have done so, and even then experience tearing, lockups, pixelation, and tons of dropped frames.
I encourage you to sign the petition asking HTC to fix this problem here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342500
Otherwise, even the best tweaking and re-transcoding of the source media does not help much at all as far as I can see.
If you encode at 320x240 with audio at 96k or 128k with a total bitrate under 500k it will play great on Kaiser with TCPMP. I've encoded at this rate for Archos boxes and ViPods and my vids look good and play well on all.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll try that out and cross my fingers...
I tried video podcasts downloaded from iTunes. These are in MPEG4 format and when played with the builtin PMP10, audio and video are not in sync. It really takes the joy out from the experience when you can't just download the video files directly to your Kaiser but have to re-encode them on a PC first.
Yeah I was quite surprised to find how unimpressive the playback was. I came from in iPhone, then a Blackjack, and lastly a Curve. They all seemed to play video pretty well and what's odd is that the Blackjack was one of the best - with WM5... go figure...
IMHO nothing can beat the iPhone in video playback quality but since I need a few other things in my phone, I had to ditch it.
For a $750 phone, its pretty disappointing that my T680 can do a better job of displaying a video than the kaiser. I just signed that petition and hopefully something will be done about this.
Wonder if the other HTC's have the same problem. Or this is just an isolated case with the kaiser?
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For a $750 phone, its pretty disappointing that my T680 can do a better job of displaying a video than the kaiser. I just signed that petition and hopefully something will be done about this.
Wonder if the other HTC's have the same problem. Or this is just an isolated case with the kaiser?
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The problem is only related to phones that have the Qualcomm 7200 CPU, which is the kaiser, touch dual and maybe the touch cruise, the dual plays videos very badly to and even dragging solitaire cards around the screen it's very stuttery
My original touch however does everything very smoothly using it's 201mhz omap 850 cpu, can play videos with bitrates up to 600k without stuttering
HTC need to get these bloody drivers out
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Hi.
I'd like to know which settings result in the best video playback on the TyTN II.
Forgive me if this is posted somewhere else, but I could not find it when searching.
I'm running WM 6.1 Sleuth 3.0 with TCPMP 0.81.
How about the best settings for Coreplayer as well. Also running Sleuth 3.0. Sleuth any comments, you seem to have Coreplayer as well.
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Hi.
I'd like to know which settings result in the best video playback on the TyTN II.
Forgive me if this is posted somewhere else, but I could not find it when searching.
I'm running WM 6.1 Sleuth 3.0 with TCPMP 0.81.
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There is no best settings!
It's all about how you rip your movies!!
Have you ever heard the phrase, "Garbage in, Garbage out"
If you start out with a quality file, you won't need TCPMP to enhance or make it better.
All my movies are .avi and I use Clone DVD Mobile to rip them. Personally, I haven't had any issues playng movies with TCPMP or CORE Player.
All my settings are default
I'm copying videos that are not converted in any special way to play back good on mobile devices.
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There is no best settings!
It's all about how you rip your movies!!
Have you ever heard the phrase, "Garbage in, Garbage out"
If you start out with a quality file, you won't need TCPMP to enhance or make it better.
All my movies are .avi and I use Clone DVD Mobile to rip them. Personally, I haven't had any issues playng movies with TCPMP or CORE Player.
All my settings are default
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guys what dwny said is right .....but also you can search online for any dvd to ipod (zune) program and it will work as good also!!
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SO far I noticed 2 things that effected quality of video.
I ripped 2 avi with different settings.
Video A was in 320x240 (cropped), 26fps
Video B was in 512x384 (unedited), 29fps
1) Video A played smoothly throughout. Audio lag was evident after about 1.5 hrs. Otherwise very watchable. Thus I figured 26fps is max for the Kaiser.
2) The video B skipped and dragged. Audio stayed in sync. When I selected TCPMP to play video B in full original size (overlapping the screen) it played smoother. Thus I figure that resizing is too much for the cpu of the Kaiser so when you encode, select 320x240.
fyi, audio was mp3 128kbps, 44000 on both.
I should specify what I mean by full original size.
Options --> Zoom ---> 100%
Also should specify I mean "when encoding select 320x240" MAXIMUM which will reduce the load on the cpu for video resizing.
You know, sometimes, you just happens to have badly ripped (poorly, or improperly or whatever but someone else did it and you don't have control) video but would like to watch it.
So, looking for better settings to improve the viewing.....
Latest video codec? audio codec? cache? how to set it? Where to get it from?........
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SO far I noticed 2 things that effected quality of video.
I ripped 2 avi with different settings.
Video A was in 320x240 (cropped), 26fps
Video B was in 512x384 (unedited), 29fps
1) Video A played smoothly throughout. Audio lag was evident after about 1.5 hrs. Otherwise very watchable. Thus I figured 26fps is max for the Kaiser.
2) The video B skipped and dragged. Audio stayed in sync. When I selected TCPMP to play video B in full original size (overlapping the screen) it played smoother. Thus I figure that resizing is too much for the cpu of the Kaiser so when you encode, select 320x240.
fyi, audio was mp3 128kbps, 44000 on both.
I should specify what I mean by full original size.
Options --> Zoom ---> 100%
Also should specify I mean "when encoding select 320x240" MAXIMUM which will reduce the load on the cpu for video resizing.
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Why wouldn't you just encode it to the natural screen size, and why wouldn't it having to resize bigger rips slow it down?
This is a pretty strange post.. Walking a mile is easier than running a mile. Walking a mile with nothing on your back is easier than walking a mile with Yoda on your back.
Common sense
Hello,
The new core player 1.2.1 with youtube integration is OUT !!!
Go to Mobihand and enjoy.
Private69.
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Great news thanks
As core player does not have a trial, and is pretty expensive, could you do some screen shots of this feature?
Surur
just check out the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRNkuEfx7j4
Cool. Thanks. Pretty nice. Looks like I will be shelling out, after refusing to pay for software without a trial for more than a year now.
Anyway, any way to get core player to play .flv files saved from YouTube. I know it does not support it natively, but I wonder if there is a hack or not.
Surur
Youtube integration works like a charm but trying to use H.264 for streaming (highest quality) makes me lose ~75% of the frames.
I dunno I guess I didn't expect it to be perfect but it's totally unwatchable. The medium settings works fine but looks worse than the flash video bundle with tcpm. (The actual interface is retty nice though a bit unresponsive and it doesn't always bring up the video when clicking a video, thus making you have to change "view" to see the actual video. pretty annoying.)
That youtube integration looks kinda slick.
I have core player, and am very happy with how it plays the videos I have on my storage card. It's clearer and sharper than WMP or TCPMP.
I don't have the you tube integration yet. What advantage does it have over TCPMP? Does it upload faster, or play the videos better? Sounds like undac didn't find the quality to be all that great.
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I have core player, and am very happy with how it plays the videos I have on my storage card. It's clearer and sharper than WMP or TCPMP.
I don't have the you tube integration yet. What advantage does it have over TCPMP? Does it upload faster, or play the videos better? Sounds like undac didn't find the quality to be all that great.
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eeks, h.264 youtube LOOKS great, but as undac pointed out...it's unwatchable... dropped-frame city...
medium setting RUNS great but looks bad...
so still flash video player and tcpmp for quality youtube...
if you just wanted to watch a video asap and didn't mind the quality, well medium setting core player would work ...
I tried the new version and really like the YT interface. I played several videos via WiFi and 3G and saw good results, video's only dropped about 5 frames in 2,500 pretty consistant with both radios with h.264's and zero frames with MPEG4s.
To select videos, I pressed the "i" icon on the right of each video, then in the larger info screen, pressed the play icon. Worked every time and seemed pretty responsive as well.
Edit, Oops, that was with the stock settings (Medium), when I changed the network setting for YT to high quality, the Kaiser chokes as reported. It played 101 frames and dropped 1515! Is this strictly a Kaiser/Tilt missing video driver issue??? and other PDA's function with this setting??
Just tested several H.264 Videos over wifi. 10000k frames played 400 dropped - frame rate 25.68. Thats pretty acceptable to me.
Not sure why my is performing better than some. Yes I did check to make sure it was h.264 High.
any1 have the cab for this? I know its not free I have purchased it but for some reason handago didnt provide me with the link for new version they still are selling the old one.
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any1 have the cab for this? I know its not free I have purchased it but for some reason handago didnt provide me with the link for new version they still are selling the old one.
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I am sure they will have it soon enough. No warez posting is allowed here. Mobihand.com of course has it already and I have to say it really is working nice. Love the youtube interface and streaming is really flawless with hsdpa.
High quality (H264) YouTube playback over wifi on my HTC Advantage is virtually flawless in CP 1.2.1 - I have it set to use the ATI Imageon video decoder w/acceleration selected. Supposedly the ATI chip doesn't have the capability to do hardware acceleration of H264 but in CP 1.2 and 1.2.1 I get incredibly smooth playback of H264 video (not at 640x480 unfortunately).
Can anyone advise on optimum settings van CorePlayer?
YouTube doesn't look too good here either. Can anyone advise on the best video (and other) settings to use with CorePlayer 1.2.1 / TyTN II?
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YouTube doesn't look too good here either. Can anyone advise on the best video (and other) settings to use with CorePlayer 1.2.1 / TyTN II?
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I would just suggest you make sure under video settings you have the qtv option selected.
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YouTube doesn't look too good here either. Can anyone advise on the best video (and other) settings to use with CorePlayer 1.2.1 / TyTN II?
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The "default" setting for Youtube video's is the crappy 3gp mode
to get H.264 goto
menu -> tools -> preferences -> Network
and amend the "YouTube Format" to "h264 (High Quality)"
Also make sure
menu -> tools -> preferences -> video
has "video Output" set to "QTV Display" (I'd recommend setting it to GDI first, exit, restart, set to QTv, exist and then restart)
QTv mode has some quirks (it wont display some of my album art) but for video it's way better than GDI
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Just tested several H.264 Videos over wifi. 10000k frames played 400 dropped - frame rate 25.68. Thats pretty acceptable to me.
Not sure why my is performing better than some. Yes I did check to make sure it was h.264 High.
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bratag, can you post links to some youtube vids and your live benchmark on them over wifi at h.264?
I've only tested it a little and so far it seems great to me. Having Youtube integrated kicks ass. Here is a sample I tested:
with three bars on HSDPA and Youtube set to high quality...
Wolverine trailer
320X240 25 fps
1405 frames played
165 frames dropped
actual framerate 22.373
Im sure that larger pixel dimension files will drop more frames. But so far I am happy. This CoreCodec team is the heat. First the QTV overlay and now youtube. Props
It very much depends on the size of the youtube video. Anything over about 480x runs choppy. You have to go down to medium for that. But anything encoded at a lower size than that is fine
Guys i recently installed coreplayer for xperia. The issue i faced is the video playback is not upto the mark. Its kinda jerky and stops skips videos in between and not smooth.
Has anyone faced this issue with X1 by the way my friend has omnia and the same verison of coreplayer installed on his cell but the video playback is perfect without any skips.
same here...bought x1 5 days ago tried everything and that piece of crap doesnt work same as coreplayer :/ i downloaded the Video...Encoding...GUI_Full.HD stuff which converts video...converted one but the movie on X1 doesnt look like a movie !! it looks like a slideshow but guess what windows media player plays this video Perfectly...written by the big P so im asking wtf ??
the X1 does have some performance issues. this has been discussed several times in the past
the omnia performs a lot better because it has a much faster CPU and because the resolution is 1/4th of that of the xperia so it does not need to work as hard to get smooth playback
core player doesnt support x1 hardware acceleration... thats the main problem there
ok ok but what to do ? im playing aroung with it from the day i bought it and nothing that i tried helped and im a bit frustrated :/ i dont wanna use wmp
Maybe you should get an IPhooon its click and play no hussle and stuff no need to tweak and every thing works (well every thing that comes with it)
install custom rom... gfx booster... convert videos with tool posted here on forums and play them in media panel... no lag at all...
Media panel and converted movies is best solution. And no, you don't need custom rom.
Crystal player is just useless. Yeah, it's sad.
well thats wierd, i play 700mb highres avi files on coreplayer without any problem, maybe its the videos you try to play..? i only face lagging with flv files.
btw i have stock uk r3aa010
I found that some people find 80% speed 'perfect'. I can spot single dropped frame.
Run benchmark a post the results, subjective value is meaningless.
And yes, of course, it does depend on the movie. I play most of the 700mb movies under 90%.
i have not had any problems with coreplayer either....
The movie i am playing is in mkv format and around 500megs in size
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The movie i am playing is in mkv format and around 500megs in size
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1-Use HTC Touch HD video converter
2-Play your converted video with windows player or the media panel
3-Have fun
I have CorePlayer 1.3.2 and i played recently a movie DVD-Rip of 1.45 Gb straight copy and paste from my computer on Xperia. Had no problems, i watched the whole movi without lags, frameskips or sound not synchronized with video...
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I have CorePlayer 1.3.2 and i played recently a movie DVD-Rip of 1.45 Gb straight copy and paste from my computer on Xperia. Had no problems, i watched the whole movi without lags, frameskips or sound not synchronized with video...
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That I simply cannot believe. Post benchmark results, and movie info (resolution, bitrate).
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That I simply cannot believe. Post benchmark results, and movie info (resolution, bitrate).
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Me neither. 80% is what I usually get as speed with 1.3.2. Btw this DVD-Rip may be some small resolution, like 640x272.
I just don't get it, such a good phone with such a lousy movie playing capabilities.
OK... here's the facts.
It's all about perception. Some individuals can watch a movie that displays at 24fps (frames per second, which is the standard) and see a perfectly smooth movie. The brains fills in the gaps between each image and creates the illusion of full motion.
Some lucky individuals can look at a movie playing at 20fps and still see a smooth movie while most of us will perceive it as jerky.
Some unlucky individuals (myself included) find anything less than 30 fps to be jerky.
And finally. Coreplayer + xvid files do not use the acceleration feature of the chipset hence the standard *cough* downloaded tv show will usually be and 624 x 352 with a 912Kbps bit rate (These are average stats)
Will run at about 80%-85% framerate on your X1 giving you a fps of about 20fps.
If you reenconde using the sticky programme GUI you can play the same file at 100% USING ONLY WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER/MEDIAL PANEL!!! (coreplayer will still run it at 85% ish)
Yes .. I just want those people who can watch movies at 80% to realize how lucky they are
Well, there has been so many threads on this subject...
I don't see where the problem is to use Windows Media Player to watch a movie, it's just perfect. Files that cannot be opened by WMP (like flv for example) can be opened with CorePlayer, that's nice.
I don't want to hurt anybody, but maybe people whose mind totally deny this very simple concept should may be go to see a psy We have the right tools, they work perfectly, so why do you want to re-invent the wheel ?
Well most people want to watch AVI movies .. and those are not watchable in WMP and jerky in CorePlayer. If you don't want to watch them, good for you.
I've speed tweaked my X1, but it still has really choppy video playback.
I'm using Core Player 1.2.5, are there any settings I need to change for smooth playback?
maybe using coreplayer 1.3.2 will speed it up a little?
Can I upgrade from 1.2.5 to 1.3.2 free?
Also, I remember someone saying something about changing the settings on it to play it smoother..
Ib hate to be "Captain Obvious", but why don't you convert your files to mp4 and watch them with WMP. Coreplayer is not hardware accelerated.
though coreplayer is not hw accelerated, i could always watch movies on my xperia without converting any vids. Never had stuttering. i always watch movies when i have cold hands, since the xperia did a double duty as a heater.
This is reality for the Xperia.
Upgrading Coreplayer
"Trying" TCPMP (won't work)
Different ROMs (custom or updated stock)
NONE of them will work. NONE of them! People kept promising me these things might help; guess what, it didn't help AT ALL.
The fact of the matter is, is that Coreplayer, nor any other player on Xperia other than WMP (Windows Media Player) is hardware accelerated, so you will NOT get decent performance.
However, in order to watch on WMP, you must convert to MP4. What a major pain in the ass.
As I've stated before, this is by far the most critical drawback to all HTC/Xperia devices and I don't see myself purchasing another device similarly- based on this fact.
stisev said:
This is reality for the Xperia.
Upgrading Coreplayer
"Trying" TCPMP (won't work)
Different ROMs (custom or updated stock)
NONE of them will work. NONE of them! People kept promising me these things might help; guess what, it didn't help AT ALL.
The fact of the matter is, is that Coreplayer, nor any other player on Xperia other than WMP (Windows Media Player) is hardware accelerated, so you will NOT get decent performance.
However, in order to watch on WMP, you must convert to MP4. What a major pain in the ass.
As I've stated before, this is by far the most critical drawback to all HTC/Xperia devices and I don't see myself purchasing another device similarly- based on this fact.
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X2 is promising to have out-of-the-box xvid/divx support from media panel. I hope that they'll umitilize HW acceleration for these formats too. If so, maybe X1 will have that support in some new custom roms. Time will show.
But right now, either convert to mp4 and use WMP, or watch with lags (if it is a standard xvid/divx rip, played on coreplayer on high quality).
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X2 is promising to have out-of-the-box xvid/divx support from media panel. I hope that they'll umitilize HW acceleration for these formats too. If so, maybe X1 will have that support in some new custom roms. Time will show.
But right now, either convert to mp4 and use WMP, or watch with lags (if it is a standard xvid/divx rip, played on coreplayer on high quality).
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What does that mean? From media panel?
I. just. want. to. play. videos. using. Coreplayer. or TCPMP. like. my. 5 year old Dell Axim X51v!!!
i cant get a decent quality video to play on my xperia smoothly. Spent ages trying and just have given up now and since sony wouldnt help me at all i can assure them i wont be getting the x2
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i cant get a decent quality video to play on my xperia smoothly. Spent ages trying and just have given up now and since sony wouldnt help me at all i can assure them i wont be getting the x2
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Exactly. I had the same problem. What's even more bizarre is that some people (even some senior members) were telling me they had no problems. WTF? I mean, how is that possible. The lag is definitely there and noticeable!
I will vote with my money. The X1 is a godsend device. Thinner, bigger screen, get rid of optical and give a X51v-stye Dpad, better camera, image stabilization, real VGA recording, reasonable price, ATI video drivers and we have a winner!
As was said million times, only way how to play movies reasonably is to convert them and play using media panel or WMP.
Core player won't work except for very low bitrate movies, and for those lucky people who don't see every dropped frame as I do.
could i get a link to a really smooth wm4 converter and what is the best settings for smoothest playback?
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could i get a link to a really smooth wm4 converter and what is the best settings for smoothest playback?
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It's on the first page..... Last "sticky" thread.....
am i able to convert thru my xperia, or only through pc?
Only on the PC. I am not aware of any coverters that work on the ppc itself. The processors of mobile devices haven't been fast enough for such a procedure, until recently.
i play wmv on WMP and it doesnt seem to be hardware accelerated. its laggy.
wmv is crap. Use MP4 as it has already been said in many threads !
The problem of video lag is only with video taken from camera.
But check my X1 (silver) and another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVCLTOLnOkI
The solution is R1a.
It take less ram (with same configuration) and has powerful performance with video (also scrolling menu etc).
But it needs to fix more thing, like radio, mxp (from r3 is better) etc.
so the top one is r1a?
Yes, R1a with R3a mxp.
Bottom is R3a with r3a mxp.
I try to port r1a driver into r3a, but video palyback is broken.
So the only way is reflash r1a firmware, and made some customization (like radio, camera etc).
Hi, I'm considering an X1 and have two pretty quick and specific questions:
1) With the higher resolution of the touch screen, I've heard this can make things appear smaller and more difficult to use with just thumb/finger rather than a stylus. Is there truth to this, or can it be used easily with finger only?
2) As it's manufactured by HTC for SE, does it suffer from the infamous "disabled video drivers" issue that so many other HTC-branded phones are known for, or does it play video smoothly?
Thanks to anyone who can help with these questions...
1) Smaller yes, but not necessarily more difficult. How finger friendly a phone is depends much more on the design of the UI. WM6.1, which the phone comes with isn't the best at this but you can easily get WM6.5, or Sense, or touchflo or SPB which makes it much more finger friendly (for free, in case you were wondering). The high res screen just makes things look a lot sharper and prettier. Its a plus.
2) Video playback is perfect. If you got it in the right format, X1 plays it fine and dandy. Can't comment on divx though, i believe it doesn't get hardware acceleration. Need someone else to comment.
Thanks for the helpful reply, it's appreciated and glad to hear it performs well on both fronts. I'm not sure I fully understand on the divx hardware acceleration though.. do you mean that certain video formats do get acceleration while others don't? I'm used to playing files encoded with Pocket Divx Encoder on Symbian phones like the P990i and E61, and divx files played perfectly, presumably with acceleration, unlike my HTC Touch/Vogue which played them okay, but with noticeable jerkiness at times.
I had thought that either the acceleration on the chipset was enabled, or it wasn't, period... and that in a whole slew of HTC phones it simply hadn't been. Am I understanding incorrectly..?
I think its to do with the program your using to watch the videos. WMP and the Media panel on the X1 get hardware acceleration, while Core player, I believe, does not. I'm not sure what this entails either, perhaps jerkier video playback. Just wait until someone else can answer it.
I use this encoder, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467590 , which does the job fine, the videos play perfectly on the X1, from episodes of south park, to whole F1 GP broadcasts.
Didn't know UIQ3 supported divx, I always just converted to mp4.
1. Fingerfriendlyness: That depends on the way you customize your phone. Basic WM 6.1 isnt really fingerfriendly but if you use for example the mobile shell panel provided for free by SE the X1 is really fingerfriendly in everyday usage. And there are houndreds of other programs and tweaks to meet your personal needs.
2. My experiance when it comes to video playback is the following: Divx movies play great with a maximum resolution of 480 X 320 using TCPMP or Divx Player. Everything above is not acceptable. If you want to watch high quality movies which make use of the max resolution of the screen 800 X 480 you have to encode your movies to mp4 using the converter provided in these forums. Concerning hardware acceleration it is only possible using WMP or the media experiance panel (which I prefer).