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Diamond GPS

Does GPS cost money when I use it on the Diamond? I'm on Orange, if that helps. I ask because I want to use the Trackmyrun app (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=473623) but I don't want to pay for extra things on my bill.
Thanks.

Relax, GPS tracking software just tracks your position, which you later upload to your PC. It has nothing to do with your provider...using Google maps on the other hand, transfers data over your provider. That can cost you something, but it's not a big deal, really...

Like was said, no it won't because it is using satelite services not your provider's. As long as you're not using a third party software like gmaps, then your not using the network. Be sure to be able to differentiate the two.

Thanks very much.

new the the Android, GPS question.

Im getting some rather odd performance from the GPS..
I just got this thing out of the box, and know next to nothing about it.. so forgive me if this is a known issue or an easy fix..
I decided to mess with it a bit and went to "maps" and then "location" it puts me nowhere even near where I am..
so I tried "direction" and did "from my current location" to my office (4 miles away)
it cam up with sound direction, but when I started moving, it had my dot jumping all over the place. Showing me on one side of town, then 30 sec later 5 miles away..
I download an app that shows GPS status, and it shows good signal (7 satellites)
So, why is it behaving so wierd?
also, what are some other GOOD free navigation apps? I see many listed in the market, but I dont want to download them all, anyone have an opinion?

Do you have the GPS enabled in your settings?
G1 uses 2 ways to pin point your location:
1. Wireless networks (which I find never to be accurate)
2. Gps
Go to your Settings>> Security & Location
Try disabling your wireless and ONLY use GPS
Sorry but no good FREE Nav on the market yet, AndNav is still on the works for US

Wingnutt said:
also, what are some other GOOD free navigation apps? I see many listed in the market, but I dont want to download them all, anyone have an opinion?
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don't know how good it is but Nav4All i think it's called....i downloaded it this morning and i think it's a talkin nav cause you have to download the voice language you want to use. i haven't tried it yet but might be a good option

I saw TeleNav nominated as the best GPS navigation app by the Android Network. (this is their blog page where it is posted: http://blog.telenav.com/blog/2009/0...ne-vote-for-us-in-the-android-network-awards/). Should I get this service or is some other service like Google Maps available? Thanks for the help.

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don't know how good it is but Nav4All i think it's called....i downloaded it this morning and i think it's a talkin nav cause you have to download the voice language you want to use. i haven't tried it yet but might be a good option
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i use this... confusing at first but ya you can have the voice different ways. i gotta guys voice bc i have a feeling a girls voice will point me in the wrong directions...

The ONLY good nav program is copilot. All the others offload navigation to the provider's servers so require network connection and use up your data allocation - i.e. cost $$ to use.
If your location is jumping around by miles, then you are using cell tower location. It sets your position to the same position as the tower itself. GPS lock can sometimes take a long time. If the gps icon in the status bar is BLINKING or OFF, then you are definitely NOT getting a GPS position.

lbcoder said:
The ONLY good nav program is copilot. All the others offload navigation to the provider's servers so require network connection and use up your data allocation - i.e. cost $$ to use.
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if you have unlimited data, you're ok with the others. I used nav4all before i bought copilot. copilot is MUCH better, but nav4all does the job well enough.

abchiptop said:
if you have unlimited data, you're ok with the others. I used nav4all before i bought copilot. copilot is MUCH better, but nav4all does the job well enough.
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Absolutely not because you're tied in to network coverage.

GPS apps for N1

Hi all. I am planning on getting a Nexus One, and I was wondering if there are GPS apps for the N1 other than the turn by turn with google maps. also, is there a way to navigate with google maps offline (without any connection other than satelite). this is important for me because I travel a lot and in a lot of countries I don't want to use the data connection. thanks for any info on that.

There are quite a few... CoPilot, Sygic Mobile Maps, AndNav2 to name a few...

Has anyone had CoPilot running? Does it kill battery life?

All of the GPS apps will kill battery life by just having GPS on. If you plan on using it in a car, make sure you have a car charger.
CoPilot seemed to have old maps for my area, even though they claim to have Q4 2009.
iGo Motonav version isn't too bad, but using the menus isn't very fast on it.
Unfortunately I don't think anything has TTS yet.

GPS Question

I was wondering, are maps in Navigate and Google maps stored in the phone or does it need an internet connection to work? Let us say you went on a road trip to some off-beaten place, where you do not have any signal from AT&T. So at that point, will the GPS still work? I mean i know the phone can still communicate with the GPS, but can you phone display the maps without the connection to AT&T?
I know GPS's like Garmin etc, have the maps of the entire US stored in it memory, so no matter where you go you get to see the map of where you are. TIA.

angryphoton said:
I was wondering, are maps in Navigate and Google maps stored in the phone or does it need an internet connection to work? Let us say you went on a road trip to some off-beaten place, where you do not have any signal from AT&T. So at that point, will the GPS still work? I mean i know the phone can still communicate with the GPS, but can you phone display the maps without the connection to AT&T?
I know GPS's like Garmin etc, have the maps of the entire US stored in it memory, so no matter where you go you get to see the map of where you are. TIA.
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Google navigation needs a GPS signal to work but if you dont have one, what will happen is the directions will still be there, but your location wont update to your position.
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angryphoton said:
I was wondering, are maps in Navigate and Google maps stored in the phone or does it need an internet connection to work? Let us say you went on a road trip to some off-beaten place, where you do not have any signal from AT&T. So at that point, will the GPS still work? I mean i know the phone can still communicate with the GPS, but can you phone display the maps without the connection to AT&T?
I know GPS's like Garmin etc, have the maps of the entire US stored in it memory, so no matter where you go you get to see the map of where you are. TIA.
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you do need a data connection to use google maps and such.
i use copilot live and really enjoy it.

Thanks for the replies, so if I am getting this correctly you do need a data connection to fully use your phone GPS, otherwise it can probably still give you some text/voice directions like turn left in 200 feet, etc. but with no visible current maps (if you do not have a data connection).
The simple reason I was asking this was to see how much a phone GPS can substitute for a true GPS, like when maybe need to use it in some far-off place like Yosemite park, etc. Looks like from the answers so far the phone GPS is quite limited.

In my experience, Google Navigation cannot calculate your route without a data connection. The program will stay at "generating driving directions" until it times out and throws a network error. You can't really do much with Maps or Navigation without the data connection.
As far as map storage, Google Maps will cache certain map tiles that you recently (or habitually?) loaded, but Navigation will not. I'm not sure if Maps will even continue past startup with no data connection at all, though, for example with the phone in airplane mode. It seems like it would tell you that you need a connection. I can't remember what it actually does.
If you try to use Maps with no GPS, it will tell you to enable it and calculate your position based on wifi networks and cell towers. If you don't have any RF enabled, it can't tell where you are. Navigation, if it has a tower location with no GPS fix, will give you a top-down map view and tell you to follow the indicated route, and won't give you voice directions.
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I loved the Garmin GPS products. Having maps offline with no need for data was fast and reliable. I wish they would make an Android product.
Oruxmaps supports offline maps but has no navigation capability unless I'm missing something.
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I use MapDroyd for GPS without a data/cell signal. You install the APP, then you can download maps and store them on your SD card. You'll have maps/GPS anywhere. No need to worry about having a cell signal.
Just download the maps prior to heading out of town. You can download maps by state. I keep Oregon and Washington maps on my phone and never worry about GPS out in the midde of nowhere.
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google nav needs to download the map at the time you start the trip, once it has a route the map is there but if you miss a turn it may have trouble recalculating without a cell signal. if there is public wifi it might work.
there are a number of apps in the market that are one time pay (unlike i phone where many are subscriptions) that store that maps on your phone but they take up massive amounts of space and take forever to download the maps. i have succcess with navdroyd, the gps quirks of this phone may prevent some apps from working well depending on the base rom so test it imediately in case you need to get a refund.

[Q] *sigh* I have had enough... Does this phone have a real GPS receiver or not?

I'm getting sick of ignorant people saying stuff like "oh yeah your GPS works as long as you have a data or wifi signal."
NO. THAT IS NOT GPS. That is the cheap triangulation signal method via cell towers that just about ANY phone can do. If you don't know the difference between GPS and cell tower triangulation then do not bother contributing to this discussion.
Real GPS uses satellites. You know, the ones in space. Nothing else.
Tomtoms don't use a cellular signal, they use GPS.
If you have real GPS, you can pinpoint almost perfectly where you are in realtime, and even accurately track your velocity, so long as there is a clear line of sight to the satellites. If your location is "bouncing back and forth", then you do not have GPS enabled. Period.
I would like to know, once and for all, was HTC lying on their phone specifications in saying that the HD7 has GPS or not?
My old HTC Touch HD had it. Why on earth does this HD7 not seem to have it?
Has anyone here ever actually managed to verify that a true GPS receiver even exists in this phone?

There is a GPS reciever in the phone or it wont be able to pinpoint your exact location in Bing Maps.

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There is a GPS reciever in the phone or it wont be able to pinpoint your exact location in Bing Maps.
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I have never had bing maps pinpoint my "exact" location though, only maybe to the nearest 20 metres. And the pointer doesn't seem to move as I move, which suggests to me it isn't using satellites at all...

You seem to be confused. To clear up your misunderstanding, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
FWIW, I use the GPS radio on my daily 6km runs. My old Holux devices (CF-Card, USB external), used to take 30-60 seconds to grab a 3D fix. My HD7 does it in just 15-seconds. If a data connection is available, AGPS will acquire a 'quick fix' first, then based on that position determine which satellites it should look for, elminating the old trial and error method. Hence, a 'true' gps connection is acheived immediately after the AGPS system does it's job.
Bing Maps is just simply a built-in GPS client for the hardware radio and firmware.
To those concerned about data roaming charges, a data connection is not required to use the GPS radio, but is necessary to use downloaded maps, etc. As the newly released Navigon system stores maps on your device (1.6-2.5gb!) it will run independent of a data connection.
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I understand perfectly what A-GPS is. However I have yet to see my HTC HD7 actually acquire a satellite signal.
Is there anything in the phone that actually indicates when it has acquired a signal from GPS satellites?
What I believe to be the case is that this phone never actually uses GPS signals, at any stage. I believe it simply uses the cellular towers to triangulate your position, and you never get anything more accurate than that.
I would happily be proven wrong. Or if you could show me somewhere on the phone which says "now receiving from (6) satellites" like my old HTC used to do, I will happily stand corrected.
Bing maps has never ever been "GPS accurate" in my experience, and I have had the phone for just under a year now.

What about the Navigon select app that some German carriers implement on their HD7s, isn't that satellite GPS signal ?

i'm using navigon navigator,that show me speed,exat position,and many other info:hd7 HAS A GPS RICEVITOR!!!

I used Bing maps navigation the other day to find a junk yard about 2 hours from where I live and it was pretty accurate. Even merging onto another highway showed the cursor right where I was. After the initial routing pretty sure I was out of signal since I had no service way out in the sticks yet Bing maps never lost the route. I wa pretty satisfied.
But your right real gps shouldn't need a data signal at all like navigon select. Maps are stored locally.
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Heofz said:
I understand perfectly what A-GPS is. However I have yet to see my HTC HD7 actually acquire a satellite signal.
Is there anything in the phone that actually indicates when it has acquired a signal from GPS satellites?
What I believe to be the case is that this phone never actually uses GPS signals, at any stage. I believe it simply uses the cellular towers to triangulate your position, and you never get anything more accurate than that.
I would happily be proven wrong. Or if you could show me somewhere on the phone which says "now receiving from (6) satellites" like my old HTC used to do, I will happily stand corrected.
Bing maps has never ever been "GPS accurate" in my experience, and I have had the phone for just under a year now.
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I'm going to back this post up 100% on my end. I stand outside of my building and have NEVER had my bing map... and it shows me 3 or 4 blocks away from my actual location. I've actually had this question sitting on my end for quite some time now.
I, personally, don't believe that the HTC can be used as a true GPS. It just uses the cell towers like mentioned above.
If somebody could actually prove this, other than saying... IT HAS GPS BECAUSE IT SHOWED ME DIRECTIONS AND ACCURATE DIRECTIONS TOO.... Turn by turn directions though Bing is fine.. but it's still not a true GPS location being used.
Would downloading a GPS program like the 35$ garmin one actually give me a different reading on my map? Would it actually work if I have no cellular signal like a true GPS, and work off of a GPS signal?

@NachoNut and @Heofz: Do the apps in the marketplace that provide system information tell you if the phone is using triangulation or actual GPS? You could also try tweeting @windowsphone, @winphonesupport, @attcustomercare, or @htc asking about it. They're generally pretty responsive

I can't verify the exact GPS hardware, but the "system view" app from the WP7 marketplace shows "GPS location" on my HD7 and reads out to the 100th's place in latitude and longitude and ALTITUDE. You would not be able to read altitude via cell tower triangulation.
I think the issue gets confused because many of the location aware programs will use the triangulation method first while waiting for the GPS to get a reading. For instance, in Bing maps, your location is shown in a wide circle but as GPS locks in the circle shrinks down to a much more accurate location.
Even AGPS cannot get down to +/- a few meters without other outside assistance or references though.

download tools for wp7 app from the marketplace. This has a gps reciever app. Put your phone in airplane mode, and then check if you get a location... I'd do it, but my phone is currently updating to mango.

Not entirely sure what this rant is about to be honest. Just because bing maps is sh!t (which surprise surprise we all know...) doesn't mean that the inbuilt GPS receiver in the phone is useless?! Have you tried Gmaps yet?
As an alternative, why not download WinPhone Info for Mango and it will give you your exact location.
I use the GPS functionality quite often for work, because I have to see lots of different customers in London, on foot. Anyone who knows London, knows how narrow the streets are and how tall the buildings are. Worst case scenario for GPS, yet it works every time and it's very quick to find my location. Even though I think the rest of the phone is underwhelming, this is actually one of the features that works fine. If only Bing was up to Google Maps standards!

I'd like to know the best positioning for the handset it's set for 'line of sight view'.
I go cycling round the park often and I must admit it does not seem as accurate as it did with my old HD2. Could it just be down to construction.

It's the rom. I switch to Telstra rom and my gps is working fine now. The gps on tmobile rom never be able to track my location

Mine used GPS as it came from T-Mobile... in Airplane mode it received the location etc,. but maps can't update because they need a data signal to load their data. It does indeed have a TRUE GPS satellite receiver in it.

Shortly after the mango update, using the free GPSInfo app I managed to get it to tell me it had acquired a satellite signal rather than data only. It gave me altitude readings etc as well as accurate speed info.
Hurrah!
Now all I need is software equivalent/better than tomtom and I'll be a very happy bunny

I was using Navigon Select 2.0 / 3.0 on my HD7 on my holiday to Spain during the summer; for a whole two weeks I had the data connection disabled, and there was no phone reception in some of the mountaineous areas, yet the GPS functioned absolutely perfectly, getting the position quickly and accurately. So yeah there is definitely a proper GPS in the HD7.
My own recommendation for navigation on the HD7 (whether you have access to data or not) is Navigon Europe / USA (ie version 4 of Navigon Select). It's a bit pricey but is price-matched with proper navigation apps on iOS and Android. It does all the usual offline navigation that you would expect with proper POIs, rerouting, etc, but if you let it at your data connection it will also retrieve traffic data, Google Local business results, etc. You can also pin destinations to your Start screen (Home, for example). Absolutely brilliant.

pin point location works fine for me on bing... shows my house on arial view... and while on the move bingel and gmaps both work...
i dont understand why ppl are complaning..

Me too
This has a GPS, but it doesn't lock on very well (or sometimes ever) for me. I am using the T-Mobile version so that may be the problem. If you use the GPSInfo app, it will tell you if you are using AGPS or if you have actually acquired satellites. I have been able to acquire satellites a couple of times, but mostly it just sits there on AGPS mode. I was starting to really like this phone, but the GPS thing might just be a deal breaker for me.