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I've only ever owned a MDA pro.... which i promptly wiped and setup with the Qtek ROM (mostly because the T-Mob ROM was crap and they seemed to update once every millennium).
So now i've got a vanilla HTC Kaiser, i was just wondering what HTC were like in terms of releasing new updated ROMS?
Reason i ask, is because im hoping some of the initial 'bugs' (GPS etc) will be fixed soon!
Pooper said:
I've only ever owned a MDA pro.... which i promptly wiped and setup with the Qtek ROM (mostly because the T-Mob ROM was crap and they seemed to update once every millennium).
So now i've got a vanilla HTC Kaiser, i was just wondering what HTC were like in terms of releasing new updated ROMS?
Reason i ask, is because im hoping some of the initial 'bugs' (GPS etc) will be fixed soon!
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I wouldnt worry about it, I have noticed some of the smart guys from the hermes forum already on here. If the kaiser is anything like the hermes I think we will be in for a treat real soon.
Official ROMs are more stable
Although I applaude their work, 3rd party ROMs are not great substitutes for official ROMs.
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Although I applaude their work, 3rd party ROMs are not great substitutes for official ROMs.
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I agree 100%. 3rd party ROMs are not great substitues for official ROMs, they are fantasic substitutes.They often are so much better. faster. more stable. more comprehensive. and have better unofficial support than Official ROMs. They are also fixed quicker and have new features added far quicker than any official ROM that I can think of.I'm sure on here we have got WM6 running on devices that were released with WM2003SE. With no official way to upgrade to WM6.Give me 3rd party ROMs everytime.
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I agree 100%. 3rd party ROMs are not great substitues for official ROMs, they are fantasic substitutes.They often are so much better. faster. more stable. more comprehensive. and have better unofficial support than Official ROMs. They are also fixed quicker and have new features added far quicker than any official ROM that I can think of.I'm sure on here we have got WM6 running on devices that were released with WM2003SE. With no official way to upgrade to WM6.Give me 3rd party ROMs everytime.
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When there's no official ROM to upgrade your WM build to the latest, third party ROMs come in real handy and I thank the enthusiasts for taking the time to provide us with these.
However that stuff you said about third party ROMs being more stable is total nonsense -- large corporations can afford to hire large groups of specialist developers and split tasks up amongst them. They don't produce ROMs as unstable as some of the ones I've seen around here, requiring you to follow steps to avoid certain basic functionality from breaking and what not.
Also, if that weren't enough, if things go wrong with third party ROMs and you need help from HTC or to return it for any other reason, you're screwed. So don't tell me they're fantastic substitutes for official software which is thoroughly tested (hence huge delays in getting them out the door) since the corporation's reputations rely on them.
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When there's no official ROM to upgrade your WM build to the latest, third party ROMs come in real handy and I thank the enthusiasts for taking the time to provide us with these.
However that stuff you said about third party ROMs being more stable is total nonsense -- large corporations can afford to hire large groups of specialist developers and split tasks up amongst them. They don't produce ROMs as unstable as some of the ones I've seen around here, requiring you to follow steps to avoid certain basic functionality from breaking and what not.
Also, if that weren't enough, if things go wrong with third party ROMs and you need help from HTC or to return it for any other reason, you're screwed. So don't tell me they're fantastic substitutes for official software which is thoroughly tested (hence huge delays in getting them out the door) since the corporation's reputations rely on them.
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Thats is why
a) You take a copy of the official rom on an SD card - you can pretty much restore to that at any time through the bios
I actually found the wizard 3rd party ROMS to be so much better than the tmobile roms it wasnt even remotely funny. The WS6 version was amazing.
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Thats is why
a) You take a copy of the official rom on an SD card - you can pretty much restore to that at any time through the bios
I actually found the wizard 3rd party ROMS to be so much better than the tmobile roms it wasnt even remotely funny. The WS6 version was amazing.
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I couldn't agree more... As it is an ODM's business to sell HARDWARE, the softwareside of things is mostly dropped pretty quickly cause there is no money to make there...
Although it is also true that a full developerteam can probably crank out a much better tweaked/more stable ROM, simply due to all the resources they have, like being at the source of hardware side of things.
Still problem remains that companies like HTC (and others) do NOT put their focus on updating software side of things, unless there is a major functionality-bug to be ironed out...
That really is a shame, but also understandable... So it's a good thing i guess that we've got xda-dev's for the brave among us who want to give the latest and greatest a spin...
Wanna be a bit behind, but on the safe side? Stay with HTC...it's a users choice
Hmmm i think i'll hold off the custom ROMs for the time being...!
hoping for 3g fix fast
Actually, I hope there is a ROM update soon, my 3g quit working here in the US, much like the rumored att 8925 delay problems. My phone function is useless most of the time unless I'm in a EDGE area. HTC US said not our problem, set me to HTC UK (I have a GB serial #). HTC UK has been unresponsive.... so much for service.... Anybody got a 8925 radio I can download?
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However that stuff you said about third party ROMs being more stable is total nonsense -- large corporations can afford to hire large groups of specialist developers and split tasks up amongst them. They don't produce ROMs as unstable as some of the ones I've seen around here, requiring you to follow steps to avoid certain basic functionality from breaking and what not.
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I take it that you have never used an AT&T/Cingular ROM (at least for the Hermes)... The Hermes Official ROMs (from Cingular/AT&T) are so overbloated and bug-ridden that you can't even call them stable...
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I take it that you have never used an AT&T/Cingular ROM (at least for the Hermes)... The Hermes Official ROMs (from Cingular/AT&T) are so overbloated and bug-ridden that you can't even call them stable...
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yeah you kind of beat me to the punch here but the AT&T/Cingular ROM that came on the 8525 was bloated and bug-ridden that i made cingular at the time replace the entire phone multiple times before i found this site (i was a total noob i know) flashed a new rom and no more problems out of it. i will be upgrading to the tilt within a month i hope
Hmmm, maybe i'm wrong but 3rd party ROMs can't be actually "better" than official ones for one simple reason: the guys cooking them take programs from official roms and put them in one compilation, tweak the registry, solve some rare problems, but they give us THE SAME PROGRAMS: when you see a new tab in HTC home, it's there because the devs at HTC put it there and disabled it (for some reason).
in some cases, like the prophet, who never had any official WM6 ROM, the guys giving us the ROM were a blessing, but i would rather tweak my device myself ( with the help of the same great guys making roms )
bottom line is: i see cooked ROMs as a way to quickly apply all performance/enhancement tweaks - considering they are not rewriting software, programs can't run better in that sense.
i hope i won't upset anyone, i'm just saying: if you're not lazy, tweak it yourself (again: except for the devices that have no updated official ROMs - that's where the cookers are GODS, giving us something we can NEVER have officially)
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I take it that you have never used an AT&T/Cingular ROM (at least for the Hermes)... The Hermes Official ROMs (from Cingular/AT&T) are so overbloated and bug-ridden that you can't even call them stable...
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I've always bought original HTC brand devices so I can't say I've had the pleasure of riding that bloated bug-ridden ROM you mention. However, I must point out that even though it's official, it's not from the manufacturers, it's a ROM released by the carrier. I'm pretty sure the manufacturer knows the hardware better than the carrier does and so would do a better job of producing a ROM.
My advice is to always use the HTC official ROMs if they're available for your re-branded phone. If not, then 3rd party ROMs should suffice, if carefully prepared.
After i asked customer service again about an official release of wm6.5 for hd they told me that it is now under testing and they have not decided yet but it may get it after all (LETS HOPE IT WILL GET IT)
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After i asked customer service again about an official release of wm6.5 for hd they told me that it is now under testing and they have not decided yet but it may get it after all (LETS HOPE IT WILL GET IT)
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this is good news, but it may only be close, similar or even the same as the ROMs we are enjoying with the Cooks here in XDA, we owe everything to them!
Yep, but maybe we could pass over that annoying freeze problem: it affects EVERY cooked ROM....
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Yep, but maybe we could pass over that annoying freeze problem: it affects EVERY cooked ROM....
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i had same problem, i flashed back stock and then a cooked, and no more freeze!
vysus said:
Yep, but maybe we could pass over that annoying freeze problem: it affects EVERY cooked ROM....
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Never had freeze when i was with Vanilla Series Rhodium Port by Kwbr, used it for a week. Now on my Third day of Topix (Kwbr) 3.2. absolutely faultless ROMs.
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i had same problem, i flashed back stock and then a cooked, and no more freeze!
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but stock roms are usually better and if there is problems they will be fixed by hot fixes released in htc site
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but stock roms are usually better and if there is problems they will be fixed by hot fixes released in htc site
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I would disagree , some cooked are far better in terms of speed and response. But many suffer problems due to mtty problem, flashing to much, and flashing back to stock fixes this and after that you are good to go stock, so every once in a while if you are an avid flasher you should flash a stock rom to avoid your mtty to clog up and cause freezes and hickups.
+1 on that. If stock roms were better than cooked roms, this site would have shut down before it even got started. Even back in the days before cooking 6.5 roms, there where 100's of avid flashers trying to get the best out of their device.
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i had same problem, i flashed back stock and then a cooked, and no more freeze!
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add me to the list of those who had to flash to a STOCK ROM to correct a freezing issue. i reflashed the custom ROM 3 times and my device's issue did not go away. i flashed a STOCK ROM, 2 hard resets, then flashed the SAME custom ROM and no problems to date. oh yeah, i'll be SHOCKED if HTC creates a WM 6.5 ROM for the HD. if they were to give us one, it would be interesting to evaluate performance differences.
lol
we will never see WM6.5 from hTc. i know it's christmas, but wake up guys.
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Yep, but maybe we could pass over that annoying freeze problem: it affects EVERY cooked ROM....
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Never had freezes ...
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but stock roms are usually better and if there is problems they will be fixed by hot fixes released in htc site
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Even stock roms have bugs and these are not always fixed by hTC
But hTC releasing a new HD rom is great news for HD owners.
dont think so
im sorry to tell u that if ur info was from htc call center then most probably its not true, i know how ppl work there they basically know nothing abt htc devices.....
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im sorry to tell u that if ur info was from htc call center then most probably its not true, i know how ppl work there they basically know nothing abt htc devices.....
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no it is from htc custmer service by email are you from egypt because egypt call centre no nothing about htc
I believe
I believe you as i was speaking to a guy who works for Telstra the other day and he said that there will be a official Htc 6.5 rom for HD sometime in January in Australia.
To be honest, the day HTC officially release wm6.5 will be the day aliens make contact with earth
As for stock roms being better than cooked roms, obviously you've been trying the wrong cooked roms. I would never flash back to a stock rom for everyday use, just wouldn't happen. Cooked roms bring faster, more reliable, improved devices. The basic stock rom for the HD was a joke. After owning the Hermes, Diamond etc I was very disappointed with the stock rom and I thank all the great chefs out there for making the HD a better device!!
Also, I haven't had a freeze yet, so no need to flash back to stock....yet
I flashed back to stock because that is the fastest ROM i could find.. i tried all sorts of ROM's, Dutty's, LEO, NRG, Kwbr, Laurentius, etc.
But all were sluggish and very unresponsive. Now i have the stock ROM with Manila 1.3 and it is fast as hell..
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I believe you as i was speaking to a guy who works for Telstra the other day and he said that there will be a official Htc 6.5 rom for HD sometime in January in Australia.
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Now that is interesting, Mind you Telstra is about as truthful as HTC.
Still it would be interesting to see what build they propose.
R u sure about this.
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I flashed back to stock because that is the fastest ROM i could find.. i tried all sorts of ROM's, Dutty's, LEO, NRG, Kwbr, Laurentius, etc.
But all were sluggish and very unresponsive. Now i have the stock ROM with Manila 1.3 and it is fast as hell..
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Sorry but I have to disagree with this statement. Stock roms have always been slower. The only times our phones function as they are meant to is after a chef (long may they live) as cooked up a treat.
I have now had 6 different HTC's 2 x hermes, 1 x Touch dual, 1 x Kaiser, 1 x Touch Pro and now a Touch HD. Every single one of them has performed way beyond what a stock rom offered after I loaded a cooked one. This is just a simple fact.
well i do hope this is true, with official W6.5 ROM for HD, maybe then chefs can get their hands on updated / "official" HD drivers that are meant for W6.5...
Gheh, let's put some more oil on this bonfire...
I've flashed my girlfriends Topaz with the 6.5 stock rom and it outperforms my HD in EVERY aspect! I thought it could also be with my HD and i flashed the stock 6.1 NLD ROM and wow! I had forgotten how FAST 6.1 was. Compared to 6.5, 6.1 is ALOT faster and responsive. Now, what went awfully wrong with 6.5 here?
Bummer i'm so accustomed to manila 2.5 and the finger-friendliness of 6.5, because it's slow as hell. However, if HTC would release an official ROM, it'd be the first thing i'd flash back on my HD.
Now that Tmo has made 6.5 available forthe Tp2 and Dash 3G. is it possible to somehow make that version work for the original Shadow? Seems to me like it should be a stable build? My wife has the Dash 3G and I've upgraded hers to 6.5, seems pretty sweet. I'm holding out for a snapdragon model but sure would like to upgrade my poor old Shadow somehow, without having to worry about this key not working and that function not performing correctly as I seem to read about from the ROMs that everyone else talks about. Help me out here!
You could always use the 6.5 ROM from Allshadow.com...I used it for nigh on 6 months without any real problems, only reason I stopped using it was when I upgraded phones heh.
Thanks for the reply ashasaur. I'll consider this but I'm still perplexed why an official ROM can't be reconfigured to use on my Shadow. There has got to be someone smarter than me that can do this!
Ah, I see. Well the main reason why the Shadow 07/09 will never get an official 6.5 from T-Mobile of course is because development for them from HTC stopped some time ago. The Shadow was never really a big time seller, and HTC is notorious for not supporting devices that don't sell well.
The other reason that an official-ish ROM is unlikely is because of hardware compatability between models. While it's true that the Snap/Dash 3G is technically just an upgraded Shadow, the hardware is COMPLETELY different.
So like I say, the unofficial AllShadow WM 6.5 is probably your best bet for 6.5 on the Shadow. While I can understand your want for an official ROM, custom ROMs are most of the time VASTLY superior to stock or official ROMs. Much less overhead, better preinstalled programs, no crapware etc. I would at least give it a try!
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Now that Tmo has made 6.5 available forthe Tp2 and Dash 3G. is it possible to somehow make that version work for the original Shadow? Seems to me like it should be a stable build? My wife has the Dash 3G and I've upgraded hers to 6.5, seems pretty sweet. I'm holding out for a snapdragon model but sure would like to upgrade my poor old Shadow somehow, without having to worry about this key not working and that function not performing correctly as I seem to read about from the ROMs that everyone else talks about. Help me out here!
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can u send me the rom
i have a stuck phone on boot
tmobile phoe100
not going on update
trying to look for an official rom for T8282 with wm6.5 on it, is there such rom available?
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trying to look for an official rom for T8282 with wm6.5 on it, is there such rom available?
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NO....but personally in my opinion why do you need an official when there is soooo much newer ROM in this forum?? most roms here are much newer than official ROM anyway.
true, just thought to try the official if there was before the cooked rom due to option/settings set by the chef that i may not want on a cooked rom
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NO....but personally in my opinion why do you need an official when there is soooo much newer ROM in this forum?? most roms here are much newer than official ROM anyway.
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No official 6.5 ROM on T8282.
Mean no disrespect, newer doesn't always mean better. Especially when the hand-held device used on daily, real time based events.
It really sucks when you are checking up your schedule, the mobile phone went froze, with someone waiting your answers.
IMHO, stability, quick response are much more important than newer version. MS please give us one...8(
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No official 6.5 ROM on T8282.
Mean no disrespect, newer doesn't always mean better. Especially when the hand-held device used on daily, real time based events.
It really sucks when you are checking up your schedule, the mobile phone went froze, with someone waiting your answers.
IMHO, stability, quick response are much more important than newer version. MS please give us one...8(
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Well that's definitely TRUE! But you know that is why normally you should wait for other people to comment before installing them. You will find out whether they are seriously bug or rock stable. I dont know which ones you are using? but I have been using the latest Energy 23554 with GTX theme, and never had a single problem (crash or restart). In fact the GTX version look awesome! You need to remember most of the ROMs here are built from Non-official ROM or betas...so dont expect to be perfect!
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true, just thought to try the official if there was before the cooked rom due to option/settings set by the chef that i may not want on a cooked rom
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Actually most of the Blackstone owners have been hoping for a free upgrade, including myself. Unfortunately I think HTC dont like that idea, maybe because it will affect the sales of their newer HTC Leo. But anyway...i dont really care now...since we have this great forum anyway...
okay i'll give energy 23557 a try and see how it goes
Really no point on upgrading. HTC is bussy creating other phones (mainly Android since WM is dead).
Can someone provide a single thing that we gain with WM 6.5?
I mean the OS itself, not a ROM based on WM 6.5 that comes with updated manilla, Opera, Office etc,. You can install any app on AM 6.1 too.
WM 6.1 uses less RAM, leaving more for the apps (on 6.5 I start with 50% used and after a while even after closing all apps, 65% used). And the start menu has a MRU app list that makes very fast to switch from one app (open or not) to another. I still have to see how WM 6.5 is better in any aspect.
Hi everyone,
I have a T-Mobile TP2 and have been torn on whether or not to upgrade to 6.5 for some time now. Well I finally decided to go for it, but then came across the official unbranded HTC rom.
My question is (dealing only with official release updates from tmobile and htc):
Who has upgraded to both branded and unbranded and can relay pros and cons of both compared to 6.1 and each other? Or has anyone heard enough about both, or can give me any relevant information?
Also, do I need to HardSPL in order to flash the HTC rom?
I'd really like to lose all the bloatware and sh!tty splash screen and everything else t-mo, but I don't know if there is any clear-cut advantage to doing so.
Also, if I am completely daft and missed a similar pre-existing thread, please inform me of my mistake. Same goes if I posted in the wrong section, this is my first post in evar.
THANKS!!!
Put Hardspl on your phone and you can test yourself You can always go back to the 6.1 rom.
is there a stock manila 2.5 ROM offered by t-mo?
if not, 2.5 + CHT is definately worth using the HTC ROM.
I would not mess with Sense 2.5 unless it is cooked. You need a lot of tweaks to make it run smoothly on the TP2, especially in HTC messaging. I am using a cooked version of the T-Mobile stock rom with Sense 2.1, has been the best and most stable rom for me yet. Sense 2.5 is good if you don't mind giving up some performance for new features. Sense 2.1 is what our devices run best with. Hope this helps you decide.
EDIT: In comparison to WinMo 6.1 with TF3D, upgrading to 6.5 with Sense2.1 will in my opinion make the device run smoother. 6.1 is a very solid OS and works well with TouchFlo to make scrolling much easier. However, I say if you can upgrade the device to 6.5 without losing performance go for it because it is much better integrated than TouchFlo, making the touch experience much better. Through my testing, the TP2 functions best with WinMo 6.5 with Sense2.1. The newer WinMo builds are probably better off using on the HD2 and other high performance devices. Same thing with Sense2.5, it can run smoothly but you will be giving up some speed as well as memory and battery life. I have come to terms with my phone, lol... Nothing beyond Sense2.1 and WM6.5 from now on. But you have to test on your own to see which you like better. Good luck!
I've been cooking own ROM for a few weeks now, and it's a T-Mobile no frills ROM.
It's not quite finished, but it's very stable and the battery life is excellent. I could always use another tester if you're interested.
krodby said:
Hi everyone,
I have a T-Mobile TP2 and have been torn on whether or not to upgrade to 6.5 for some time now. Well I finally decided to go for it, but then came across the official unbranded HTC rom.
My question is (dealing only with official release updates from tmobile and htc):
Who has upgraded to both branded and unbranded and can relay pros and cons of both compared to 6.1 and each other? Or has anyone heard enough about both, or can give me any relevant information?
Also, do I need to HardSPL in order to flash the HTC rom?
EDIT: I used the official T-Mobile for several weeks, it is OK. I'm on NRG now.
I'd really like to lose all the bloatware and sh!tty splash screen and everything else t-mo, but I don't know if there is any clear-cut advantage to doing so.
Also, if I am completely daft and missed a similar pre-existing thread, please inform me of my mistake. Same goes if I posted in the wrong section, this is my first post in evar.
THANKS!!!
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You would have to hard SPL to use the HTC ROM.
The Official WM 6.5 is a sense 2.1 version, but you would not need to hard SPL.
Thanks for all of your help!
I'm still not sure what i'll do for now, but i'll probably end up just biting the bullet and becoming an addict. I'll start with the official sh!t and gateway into flashing every stable rom that exists lol.