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Alot of apps can make g1 slower?

I am currently running cyanogens latest experimental version, with swap enabled with the partition. Now my question is..even if the apps are stored in my sd card and even though I use taskiller to kill all the apps I don't want running in the background, does having a lot of. apps make the phone slowe or does it really makes no difference? And what can I do to make it faster? I hate it when I hit home and it just hangs for 10 secs...any ideas?

JonathanFermin said:
I am currently running cyanogens latest experimental version, with swap enabled with the partition. Now my question is..even if the apps are stored in my sd card and even though I use taskiller to kill all the apps I don't want running in the background, does having a lot of. apps make the phone slowe or does it really makes no difference? And what can I do to make it faster? I hate it when I hit home and it just hangs for 10 secs...any ideas?
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As long as your card is partitioned correctly then apps2sd works automatically and should be working on yours. What class is your sd card?

supremeteam256 said:
As long as your card is partitioned correctly then apps2sd works automatically and should be working on yours. What class is your sd card?
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well apps2sd is working, i partitioned my card already, but what i need to know is if having too many apps affect how ur G1 run even if u kill the background apps and they are stored in the sdcard not the internal memory.

JonathanFermin said:
well apps2sd is working, i partitioned my card already, but what i need to know is if having too many apps affect how ur G1 run even if u kill the background apps and they are stored in the sdcard not the internal memory.
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You still didn't answer my question. I asked what class is your sd card. If you have a lower class card then yes it will run slower. Also you might need to clear out your data, cache, and dalvik-cache to have everything back up to speed.

I'm using a 1gb sd card with dwangs superD and it is partitioned, but.....?

This is probably a dumb question. Do I need to do anything different to enable it to utilize the sd card to run apps off of it or is it built in? I read that cyanogen's rom was built in like that. I keep downloading apps and I don't want to run out of memory on the phone. Do I need to do anything to also use the sd card as ram?

I am using SuperD and jus partation your SD card and should all go well

Yeah it is working fine.
ilostchild said:
I am using SuperD and jus partation your SD card and should all go well
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I was just wondering if I need to do something different or is it automatically using the sd card as ram and runing apps off of it.

jeffrimerman said:
I was just wondering if I need to do something different or is it automatically using the sd card as ram and runing apps off of it.
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What do you mean by "something different" Different from what? In order for CM to automatically do apps2SD you need to have an EXT partition as your second partition. This can be an EXT2, EXT3 or EXT4 type partition and can be easily created by using the latest Amon_Ra Recovery Image (available here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566669).
Nothing else is needed. I see most signatures showing 512MB of EXT partition. I use the same and it has been more than enough for me.
Also, it is recommended that you use a class 6 SD card because the class 2 that came with the phone may not be fast enough and may cause some lag.

Thanks QMAN.
QMAN101 said:
What do you mean by "something different" Different from what? In order for CM to automatically do apps2SD you need to have an EXT partition as your second partition. This can be an EXT2, EXT3 or EXT4 type partition and can be easily created by using the latest Amon_Ra Recovery Image (available here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566669).
Nothing else is needed. I see most signatures showing 512MB of EXT partition. I use the same and it has been more than enough for me.
Also, it is recommended that you use a class 6 SD card because the class 2 that came with the phone may not be fast enough and may cause some lag.
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I think you answered my question perfectly. When I put the Dwang rom on and updated to Amon Ra Recovery Image I followed instructions that had me partition the sd card and put ext2 or ext3 type partition. If I buy a class 6 SD card I imagine I can just partition it and put it in.
So to be clear, does then enable the apps to run off the sd card or to install onto the sd card and run off the card also? I mean is it using the sd card as some sort of ram or is it just using it as more of a hard drive? I'm going to guess it is just as a hard drive. I didn't designate anywhere to tell the phone to use the sd card as the installation place for apps. That's why I am kinda wondering.
Thanks

jeffrimerman said:
I think you answered my question perfectly. When I put the Dwang rom on and updated to Amon Ra Recovery Image I followed instructions that had me partition the sd card and put ext2 or ext3 type partition. If I buy a class 6 SD card I imagine I can just partition it and put it in.
So to be clear, does then enable the apps to run off the sd card or to install onto the sd card and run off the card also? I mean is it using the sd card as some sort of ram or is it just using it as more of a hard drive? I'm going to guess it is just as a hard drive. I didn't designate anywhere to tell the phone to use the sd card as the installation place for apps. That's why I am kinda wondering.
Thanks
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It will both install on and run from sdcard. you don't have to enable anything.
dwang's rom does it automatically as long as you have the ext partition. His however does not support ext4.

Ok great.
djn541 said:
It will both install on and run from sdcard. you don't have to enable anything.
dwang's rom does it automatically as long as you have the ext partition. His however does not support ext4.
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Is there a way to see how full the partitioned part of the sd card is getting? When I use settings I can see the fat 32 part I believe, and the internal phone memory. I have Astro, but I don't see an option to view the entire sd card's usage.

jeffrimerman said:
Is there a way to see how full the partitioned part of the sd card is getting? When I use settings I can see the fat 32 part I believe, and the internal phone memory. I have Astro, but I don't see an option to view the entire sd card's usage.
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In rec mode goto console type...
parted dev/block/mmcblk0
print
this will tell you how much space is used by each partition
Is that what you want to know?

jeffrimerman said:
Is there a way to see how full the partitioned part of the sd card is getting? When I use settings I can see the fat 32 part I believe, and the internal phone memory. I have Astro, but I don't see an option to view the entire sd card's usage.
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Go into settings and look under sdcard and phone storage.

djn541 said:
Go into settings and look under sdcard and phone storage.
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Only cyan has that ,dwang doesnt use that.I think...

Ace42 said:
Only cyan has that ,dwang doesnt use that.I think...
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With Dwang, you can still see 2 partitions, not all 3.

ok
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In rec mode goto console type...
parted dev/block/mmcblk0
print
this will tell you how much space is used by each partition
Is that what you want to know?
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That is exactly what I wanted to know. If I keep installing apps till it runs out of memory I'm guessing I won't know till it says it can't install anymore at some point.
Hey Djn I can't see the partitions with Dwang or do I need to specify something. I only see total space 449mb(i'm guessing that is the fat 32), available space 334mb. There is the internal phone storage section also.

this is what I see
number start end size type file system
1 512 472 472 primary fat 32
2 472 984 512 primary ext2
3 984 1016 31.8 primary linux-swap(v1)
So does it mean I've only used 40mb from fat32 section, but I believe I've used more than that? The ext2 part ended with more than it started, so does that mean when I partitioned it, the memory was increased? From number 3 it looks like 32mb was taken right off the top for ram?

jeffrimerman said:
That is exactly what I wanted to know. If I keep installing apps till it runs out of memory I'm guessing I won't know till it says it can't install anymore at some point.
Hey Djn I can't see the partitions with Dwang or do I need to specify something. I only see total space 449mb(i'm guessing that is the fat 32), available space 334mb. There is the internal phone storage section also.
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Crap!, Ace is right, you can only see sd and internal with dwang, sorry about that. I haven't used dwang in quite some time.
P.S. Sorry Ace, My bad

Hey Ace
Ace42 said:
Only cyan has that ,dwang doesnt use that.I think...
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Can you tell me what that info is telling me? It is a couple posts up. I understand the total sd card, -32 for swap yada yada. Just not sure if when it says "end" if that means that is what I have available now.

1 512 472 472 primary fat 32
2 472 984 512 primary ext2
3 984 1016 31.8 primary linux-swap(v1)
Block Start End
Well the above tells you what its for, and amount of space for each partition from starting point to end. 1 app is less than 3MB excluding games so if you have 150 apps you still have a good deal of space left.

Thanks Ace
Ace42 said:
1 512 472 472 primary fat 32
2 472 984 512 primary ext2
3 984 1016 31.8 primary linux-swap(v1)
Block Start End
Well the above tells you what its for, and amount of space for each partition from starting point to end. 1 app is less than 3MB excluding games so if you have 150 apps you still have a good deal of space left.
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I don't put mp3s, so other than wanting a little faster load app speed with class 6 I am probably fine with my 1gb class 2 for now. I think most of the apps I have were less than 1mb. I imagine games are larger. If I happen to add mp3 and games will the phone warn me as I get close to filling up the sd card?

jeffrimerman said:
I don't put mp3s, so other than wanting a little faster load app speed with class 6 I am probably fine with my 1gb class 2 for now. I think most of the apps I have were less than 1mb. I imagine games are larger. If I happen to add mp3 and games will the phone warn me as I get close to filling up the sd card?
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Music/vids/pics/docs will go onto the Fat32 partition...So your comp or phone will warn you that the FAt32 is full.

recommended size of ext2 partition??

right now i have a 2gb ext2 partition on my sdcard. the reason its so big is because im using it for app2sd and im going to install debian on the partition(as well as linux apps). i want to have plenty of room. im going to use this method:
http://all-google-android.com/googl...verdale's-debian-boot-v-2-0-updated-03092009/
i was told that it is way to big of a partition. i would like some more input as to why it is too big. i have a 16gb sd card and not concerned about space. will it give me performance issues? also should i convert the partition to ext3?

lokeycmos said:
right now i have a 2gb ext2 partition on my sdcard. the reason its so big is because im using it for app2sd and im going to install debian on the partition(as well as linux apps). i want to have plenty of room. im going to use this method:
http://all-google-android.com/googl...verdale's-debian-boot-v-2-0-updated-03092009/
i was told that it is way to big of a partition. i would like some more input as to why it is too big. i have a 16gb sd card and not concerned about space. will it give me performance issues? also should i convert the partition to ext3?
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I remember reading somewhere here on XDA that 1.5 gigs was the 'recommended' maximum size for your ext partition. Why that is the case, I do not know. It very well could be related to performance, but I can not be 100% sure.
Anyone know why the 1.5 gig restriction is in place?

Tips After Purchasing New MicroSD Card

OK, so I just upgraded to a Transcend 8GB Class 6 MicroSD card from the stock card that was included with the phone originally.
Now, my issue is I have it partitioned for APP2SD and such for Nightlys.
If I partition the new card, I know I'll obviously take all the base data off my old card and put it on the new one. Now, all the apps and stuff on my ext3 part of the card....
Should I just:
A) Do nandroid backup +ext, put new card in and restore (I'm just taking a shot in the dark and assuming this would work)
B) Other method?
Any advice would be great

Shoot, my apologies.
I posted this in the development section by mistake. I had too many tabs open!

Well i just recently got a 32GB card. All i done was any apps i had on the sd card i moved back to the phone. Backed-up anything i had on old card (mp3s, photos etc). Plugged in new sd card, formatted it then thats about it.
Only thing that changed was beautiful widgets, but all that had to do is download some little file again.

Also, when partitioning, how much do you suggest for ext3? I was thinking about 32MB SWAP, 256MB Ext3.....ext3 is used for apps, right?
Thanks.

uoY_redruM said:
Also, when partitioning, how much do you suggest for ext3? I was thinking about 32MB SWAP, 256MB Ext3.....ext3 is used for apps, right?
Thanks.
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personally i don't think 256 is enough. i currently have 756 and have 100mb free.
you can just do a nandroid +ext backup and it will restore it correctly as all it does is tar the sd ext directories then extract them on restore. obviously the partition has to be larger or equal in size.

i didnt partition my card at all. Is that bad? Wont the phone do it when you format it?

zok-star said:
i didnt partition my card at all. Is that bad? Wont the phone do it when you format it?
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Are you using the FroYo FAT method or the A2EXT method?

wdfowty said:
Are you using the FroYo FAT method or the A2EXT method?
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?? No idea, i just formatted the card via the phone. so im guessing froyo fat?

[Q] Proper App2SD guide please...

Im using custom roms for a while now (on GDX26 now). i just move apps to sd, havent done any partitioning and things. so can someone give me a proper noobs guide to app2sd and tell me whats about this sd partitioning and file systems and stuff?

anybody??? :/

Check if your recovery has a Partition option, this is the easiest way to do it. If yes, you only need to give the size that you desire for the partitions. WARNING: all your SD data will be deleted.
If no, you need to use a PC Program, like minitool partition wizard, to create the EXT partition. It's easy: shrink the fat32 partition and create the EXT partition using the left space. The format must be EXT4.
Hopefully, your phone will recognize the EXT partition and will mount it

STALKER_88 said:
Im using custom roms for a while now (on GDX26 now). i just move apps to sd, havent done any partitioning and things. so can someone give me a proper noobs guide to app2sd and tell me whats about this sd partitioning and file systems and stuff?
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Pleas use forum search...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1345872

Thanks guys
but can you tell me whats the difference between native app2sd on 2.3 and app2sd with sd partitioning?
oh and whats this swap? its some sort of virtual ram right? do i need it and how do i make it?

Native app2sd doesn't move all the app to the SD (and not all the apps can be moved). Using EXT partition all the apps can be moved totally, so the use of internal memory is minimal.
SWAP, yes, it's virtual ram. I don't recommend you its use, because the SD's life is dramatically reduced.
If you wish to test it, you need to make another partition (formatted as SWAP), either from the Recovery or using a pc program.

RoberGalarga said:
Native app2sd doesn't move all the app to the SD (and not all the apps can be moved). Using EXT partition all the apps can be moved totally, so the use of internal memory is minimal.
SWAP, yes, it's virtual ram. I don't recommend you its use, because the SD's life is dramatically reduced.
If you wish to test it, you need to make another partition (formatted as SWAP), either from the Recovery or using a pc program.
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Thanks that pretty much cleared everything for me.

I have a small problem :/
i partitioned the sd with CWM to ext4(no swap), everything works fine except the write speed of the sd in mass storage mode is so so slow. its really annoying why is that?
btw my sd is 16GB class 6

STALKER_88 said:
I have a small problem :/
i partitioned the sd with CWM to ext4(no swap), everything works fine except the write speed of the sd in mass storage mode is so so slow. its really annoying why is that?
btw my sd is 16GB class 6
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Please somebody help me with this?

i dont think this happend on ext4 format.
is the write speed realy a big thing? i also have moderate write speed and i can life with it
EDIT: If you want to move BIG files to your sd use a cardreader, for me its fast...

SafiXS said:
i dont think this happend on ext4 format.
is the write speed realy a big thing? i also have moderate write speed and i can life with it
EDIT: If you want to move BIG files to your sd use a cardreader, for me its fast...
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You have no idea how slow it is. about 900kb/s took me 3+ hours to copy about 10gb of my old data to the sd after partitioning
i dont have a card reader

BUMP!!!
Really need help please...

so no fix for this?