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What would you like to have seen in the TyTnII from your previous phone?

I have an ATT tilt and I upgraded from a T-Mo MDA.
I really like the tilt. I am not having issues with it like I see others are. It seems plenty fast for me (def faster then the MDA, especially when streaming video over the net) and the HSDPA connections are awesome. Put's my work DSL to shame, lol.
But, I was dissapointed in some of the design.
I would have loved for the TYTNII to have Stereo Speakers like the MDA did (those speakers rock, very clear and can get quite loud).
I also would have liked to see a hardware volume button for the TyTnII, having to use the stylus to adjust the volume is a bit annoying if it needs to be done quickly.
The 3.0MP camera works great, but I would have loved it more if it had a Zoom and a Flash (I know it zooms but not in 3.0MP mode). The flash didnt do much for photos unless it was a closeup shot, but that LED came in quite handy as a flashlight every now and then, lol.
Lastly the Stylus Position was a bit annoying at first when the keyboard was open, but I have already gotten used to taking the stylus out first and then sliding the keyboard, which makes things alot simpler. However, keeping the stylus on the right hand side would have made it more comfortable for the majority of users (sorry lefties).
Anyway, these are the only things that bother me about the Tilt. I really like it otherwise and will most likely keep it (still in my 30 day trial) unless T-Mo actually dispatches their HSDPA/3G on Dec 6 and offers a better phone, then I would gladly switch back.
What features do you miss from older HTC devices? It may not help us now but if HTC has scouts on these forums it cant hurt to make note of what we like and dont like.

I have only one complaint with the TyTn II. In my place we do not have 3G so the best we can do is EDGE. However the EDGE connection is slower on the TyTn II than what it used to be on my i-mate Jasjam and later the HTC Touch. On these previous phones I could easily manage 200 kbs but with the TyTn II it is just a max of 100 kbs. I have tested a number of times by swapping SIM's. When I put my SIM in my previous 2 phones I get good EDGE speed but the same SIM in the TyTn II gives about half the speed.
Just hoping that a future ROM will solve the problem.

Well my previous phone was a Palm 750v and i miss a few things actualy.
I miss the threaded SMS application so i found the riped version and installed it but MMS wont work through it. Also i loved how the Palm had a small slider switch at the top of the phone to instantly make it silent or not. That was very convenient. Hmmm what else...
Generaly i found the Palm a lot easier to use for a beginner. I liked how you could do pretty much anything without touching the screen and also everything seemed to be so intuitive. I hardly changed anything to make it suit me. I found myself changing the Kaiser quite a bit on the other hand. But im up to a point now where i really enjoy the Kaiser so i'm not regretting anything. Plus it has a hell of a lot more features that the Palm lacked. Like a better screen, wifi and GPS to name a few.

Oh man you asked for it #1
Alright- I typically use this site SOLEY for reference/assistance/troubleshooting/brainstorming, you get the idea...
And for that, it has been INCREDIBLE! Thank you all!
However, I will now take this incredible opportunity to gripe about how much I hate my new Tilt (Kaiser) vs. my old 8125 (Wizard).
Two days ago, I finally wore the mini USB port solder points out on my Wizard, leaving me with no way to charge my battery other than (and this is what I did) disassembling the Wizard, slipping the port on the charger plug, and holding it defibrillator style against the printed circuit board where it had previously lived. This got me enough juice to make it through the last couple of days, and sync it one last time in order to dump over to my new Tilt. In the last 3 hours with my new Tilt/Kaiser, I have come to these conclusions:
1. The keyboard now slides open in the opposite direction. I officially hate this. On my Wizard, I would slide the keyboard open, browse the web in landscape mode, and use the D-Pad and 2 softkeys between the screen and the D-Pad to navigate. This was beautiful and worked wonderfully. Now, the D-Pad is on the left side (I'm right handed) and not only does this suck balls for my left thumb, but it is compounded by the soft keys which have now migrated farther south (along with the messaging and IE buttons, as if it wasn't bad enough) to make the D-Pad area so freaking congested that even I, with my nimble fingers, have a hard time discerning one button from the next. Roll all this in with the fact that the charging port is still essentially in the same place, and browsing with the keyboard open using the D-Pad with the charger plugged in is essentially MADDENING, while it was *quite* feasible, before.
2. The power button has moved. Why? Top seems like a great place, always was- and what could the congestion issue be? The MicroSD slot has already been moved beneath the D-Pad so the top has to have a little breathing room, I'd think!
3. As mentioned in 1., the messaging and IE buttons have been moved to the D-Pad area. For what reason? This now makes one-handed use to quickly snap messaging/IE open a total pain in the ass, and quick/reliable motions in the D-Pad area HAZARDOUSLY hit or miss. I mean, lets REALLY think about this. 13 buttons in an area about as large as 3 United States postage stamps. WTF?
4. The volume *slider* has been replaced with a wheel. I'm not entirely certain how I feel about this, yet- but already I've noticed a few times that I've *clicked* the wheel and rolled it at the same time, while I can't recall ever sliding the Wizard's slider when trying to click with it. I liked sliding up and holding, or sliding down and holding, as opposed to rolling, and rolling, and rolling... Also, while petty, it's worth mentioning that the profile of the wheel on the Kaiser is *just* slightly larger than the slider on the Wizard. Not really a major issue, but noteworthy.
5. Where's the Comm Manager button that used to be above the volume slider? Oh wait- there is no Comm Manager button anymore- just a PTT button I have absolutely no use for. While I feel certain there's probably a hack/mod out there to permit me to re-map this to Comm Management, I see nothing built in as of this post. Perhaps HTC has assumed we all just leave our Bluetooth and Wi-Fi on all the time (plugged into chargers, of course, as otherwise our batteries would be deceased in no time...)
6. MicroSD? Aww man... I won't rant on this one, as it's just a given that any time I buy a new phone I'll need new cards, but Jesus, man- First it was SD, then it was MiniSD, which I was just starting to actually use in other devices (yay for cross compatibility and the potential to use cards to their max!) when, now, I'm out another 20, 30, 50, WHATEVER, dollars for ANOTHER new card. MicroSD. "Whoopee." Not to mention- what the hell is the deal with this magically gravitational force that's pulling EVERYTHING to the freaking D-Pad!!?? What was wrong with the SD port on top???
7. Voice Dial button. Okay. Now seriously. This is flat out retarded. Finally, we were getting to a point in telecommunications hardware where many devices were actually beginning to sport a dedicated voice dial button, and HTC pulls it off of the Kaiser. ::slaps forehead:: I'm at a loss. Is this, again, because all of us Kaiser users are supposed to be using stereo bluetooth headsets with voice dial buttons integrated on *them*? ::sigh::
8. Black keyboard (almost). This keyboard is AWESOME! Well- permit me to elaborate- the COLORATION, on 30 of the keys, is AWESOME! The silver numeric keys are a complete travesty, and a throwback to a sometimes difficult to read (under certain circumstances) Wizard keyboard. Also, why, exactly, HTC felt the need to move symbols around on the keyboard, coupled with numbers moved around on the keyboard, coupled with entire keys being relocated on the keyboard, I will *never* know. I haven't even checked to see if the Kaiser has the same idiotic keyboard backlight timeout issues that the Wizard had, but if it does, it's going on the list!
9. B = BM. No no, not bowel movement, "BM." Every time in the last few hours I have touched the "b" key, I have been given "bm." I will be wearing out my backspace key quite quickly at this rate. I've already noticed another post which seems to revolve around this issue, but I have been too busy ranting here to actually read *that* open tab. <Update:> That post was about something else (keypresses repeating)- BUT: I'm hoping I simply received a lemon Kaiser with a flakey keyboard, as multiple keys (4-5, actually) result in random additional keypresses, including (most annoyingly) B = B + M, V = V + SPC, and L = L + OK, or some such nonsense... Typing softer/harder doesn't seem to entirely alleviate *or* reproduce the problem. :-( Crap!
10. Tilt. Wow. This is certainly the AT&T "Tilt." Because- the screen tilts! Wait- why? I'm sorry- not to crack on HTC's brilliant ingenuity, but perhaps I was the lucky one of the thousands who simply *never* had any desire whatsoever to tilt the screen of my Wizard for any reason... While this is certainly a snazzy Sidekick-type feature, I have zero use for it, and simply cannot fathom any other reason why AT&T would market this high-powered XDA as a "Tilt" than to directly market-oppose the Sidekick. Oh wait- now I know why it's engineered this way- obsolescence! Surely this thing is bound to snap off in the next 6 months (if I can stomach it's unfriendliness that long)... Just... I don't know- seriously stop and take a few seconds to yourself, and truly think about this amazing device, and then think about the name it was given. Shame on you, AT&T. Shame. What would have been wrong with 8925? 8125 was good enough for Cingular 2 years ago! This "Tilt" business is like branding the Acura NSX the "Acura Car with 4 Wheels!" Nevermind the 400MHz CPU or WM6Pro capabilities, to say the least... Bah, ingenius AT&T marketing... How patronizing- to a device- LMAO!
11. Where's the other speaker? And for that matter, where is this single speakers balls? Were they neutered out with the other speaker? Oh wait- I know- this all comes back to the fact that I'm supposed to be using stereo Bluetooth- thaaaat's right- silly me! Except for- oh- wait- wanting to hear my phone ring across the room. Perhaps HTC never thought of this, but- speaker duplicity lead to much more reliable notification audibility. News flash! When your device is in your holster, pocket, whatever- typically on the Wizard *one* speaker was covered, but another was still revealed. Eureka!
12. Mini-USB? Really? Because it looks like some bizarre, mutated Mini-USB charging/sync port to me... what the hell was the purpose of this, other than to make you do a double-take the first few thousand times you plug a cable into it?
13. Where's my flashlight? I'm a king of successfully using things for their entirely "not-intended" purpose. And the flash on the Wizard? About as useful as a screen door on a submarine when it came to pictures. But looking around an engine compartment? Searching a backpack? Inspecting a PC tower's innards? (The list goes on...) That little "flash" kicked some major ass for an always available flashlight. Goodbye, little flashlight... :-(
These gripes are all primarily hardware related, and I doubt I'll have many SW gripes to append later as I've been using WM6 off and on my Wizard for a few months now, and have markedly few complaints that can't be alleviated with some mild hacking and modding.
Alright, that's all I've got. Again, these were all conditions of the phone publicly present before I purchased it, so I'm not harping on HTC, entirely, just posing the perspective of one DEVOTED Wizard owner who thought he was going to super-upgrade to a Kaiser. At this rate, I'll be soldering my Mini-USB port back onto my Wizard's PCB, or making a reluctant leap to the iPhone. It is *quite* bad ass, but I've absolutely adored my Wizard for over a year and a half (a feat unmatched by any cell phone in the last 10 years, for me... I usually roll over every 5-6 months!) and as anti-establishment and group mentality as I am, slipping over to the iPhone side was something I was trying to avoid!

I would just say the Comm manager button and irda (only used it a couple of times but useful when u encounter people with a Palm or a laptop with no bluetooth.

Bertokamus: i agree with every point you raised :'(

I love the Tilt...upgrading from a PPC 6700/HTC Apache...I've gotten used to all the little differences that were frustrating at first. Want to know what I really miss though?? THE FLASHLIGHT. Man I loved having a hardware button bound to my Apache's Light - making it the perfect flashlight integrated into my phone! I'm serious. I want that back!!!

jeffreii said:
I love the Tilt...upgrading from a PPC 6700/HTC Apache...I've gotten used to all the little differences that were frustrating at first. Want to know what I really miss though?? THE FLASHLIGHT. Man I loved having a hardware button bound to my Apache's Light - making it the perfect flashlight integrated into my phone! I'm serious. I want that back!!!
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Yeah, out of everything brought up in this thread so far (by myself and others) the flashlight and the lack of stereo speakers are what I miss the most.

Non-improvements from Wizard
Wow, most of Bertokamus list are things that irk me too
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1. The keyboard now slides open in the opposite direction. I officially hate this. On my Wizard, I would slide the keyboard open, browse the web in landscape mode, and use the D-Pad and 2 softkeys between the screen and the D-Pad to navigate. This was beautiful and worked wonderfully. Now, the D-Pad is on the left side (I'm right handed) and not only does this suck balls for my left thumb, but it is compounded by the soft keys which have now migrated farther south (along with the messaging and IE buttons, as if it wasn't bad enough) to make the D-Pad area so freaking congested that even I, with my nimble fingers, have a hard time discerning one button from the next. Roll all this in with the fact that the charging port is still essentially in the same place, and browsing with the keyboard open using the D-Pad with the charger plugged in is essentially MADDENING, while it was *quite* feasible, before.
2. The power button has moved. Why? Top seems like a great place, always was- and what could the congestion issue be? The MicroSD slot has already been moved beneath the D-Pad so the top has to have a little breathing room, I'd think!
3. As mentioned in 1., the messaging and IE buttons have been moved to the D-Pad area. For what reason? This now makes one-handed use to quickly snap messaging/IE open a total pain in the ass, and quick/reliable motions in the D-Pad area HAZARDOUSLY hit or miss. I mean, lets REALLY think about this. 13 buttons in an area about as large as 3 United States postage stamps. WTF?
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Yeah, my 8125 may have been square and plain looking, but the soft keys were right where they ought to be, and every button was separated enough from others that you could hit the right button easily by feel alone.
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4. The volume *slider* has been replaced with a wheel. I'm not entirely certain how I feel about this, yet- but already I've noticed a few times that I've *clicked* the wheel and rolled it at the same time, while I can't recall ever sliding the Wizard's slider when trying to click with it. I liked sliding up and holding, or sliding down and holding, as opposed to rolling, and rolling, and rolling... Also, while petty, it's worth mentioning that the profile of the wheel on the Kaiser is *just* slightly larger than the slider on the Wizard. Not really a major issue, but noteworthy.
5. Where's the Comm Manager button that used to be above the volume slider? Oh wait- there is no Comm Manager button anymore- just a PTT button I have absolutely no use for. While I feel certain there's probably a hack/mod out there to permit me to re-map this to Comm Management, I see nothing built in as of this post. Perhaps HTC has assumed we all just leave our Bluetooth and Wi-Fi on all the time (plugged into chargers, of course, as otherwise our batteries would be deceased in no time...)
7. Voice Dial button. Okay. Now seriously. This is flat out retarded. Finally, we were getting to a point in telecommunications hardware where many devices were actually beginning to sport a dedicated voice dial button, and HTC pulls it off of the Kaiser. ::slaps forehead:: I'm at a loss. Is this, again, because all of us Kaiser users are supposed to be using stereo bluetooth headsets with voice dial buttons integrated on *them*? ::sigh::
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I agree that a Voice Dial button would be way more useful than PTT (who uses PTT? expensive, and have to have others using it to make it any use at all
Bertokamus said:
8. Black keyboard (almost). This keyboard is AWESOME! Well- permit me to elaborate- the COLORATION, on 30 of the keys, is AWESOME! The silver numeric keys are a complete travesty, and a throwback to a sometimes difficult to read (under certain circumstances) Wizard keyboard. Also, why, exactly, HTC felt the need to move symbols around on the keyboard, coupled with numbers moved around on the keyboard, coupled with entire keys being relocated on the keyboard, I will *never* know. I haven't even checked to see if the Kaiser has the same idiotic keyboard backlight timeout issues that the Wizard had, but if it does, it's going on the list!
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I understand the keyboard changes - entering numbers from the top row is not as easy as a phone pad arrangement - but IMHO even the phone pad arrangement is a pain because having to remember to hit the Fn key every time. A dedicated keyboard like the HTC S710 and S730 have would be really nice (yet would still be awkward to use when sliding keyboard is open)
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10. Tilt. Wow. This is certainly the AT&T "Tilt." Because- the screen tilts! Wait- why? I'm sorry- not to crack on HTC's brilliant ingenuity, but perhaps I was the lucky one of the thousands who simply *never* had any desire whatsoever to tilt the screen of my Wizard for any reason... While this is certainly a snazzy Sidekick-type feature, I have zero use for it, and simply cannot fathom any other reason why AT&T would market this high-powered XDA as a "Tilt" than to directly market-oppose the Sidekick. Oh wait- now I know why it's engineered this way- obsolescence! Surely this thing is bound to snap off in the next 6 months (if I can stomach it's unfriendliness that long)... Just... I don't know- seriously stop and take a few seconds to yourself, and truly think about this amazing device, and then think about the name it was given. Shame on you, AT&T. Shame. What would have been wrong with 8925? 8125 was good enough for Cingular 2 years ago!
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I would say that the "tilt" is a marginal feature - I could do without it, but sometimes I use it and it's nice to have, if it holds up OK
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11. Where's the other speaker? And for that matter, where is this single speakers balls? Were they neutered out with the other speaker? Oh wait- I know- this all comes back to the fact that I'm supposed to be using stereo Bluetooth- thaaaat's right- silly me! Except for- oh- wait- wanting to hear my phone ring across the room. Perhaps HTC never thought of this, but- speaker duplicity lead to much more reliable notification audibility. News flash! When your device is in your holster, pocket, whatever- typically on the Wizard *one* speaker was covered, but another was still revealed. Eureka!
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The Wizard speakers are pretty darn good for any phone, but I would have settled for the mono speaker if it weren't such a tinny piece of crap!
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12. Mini-USB? Really? Because it looks like some bizarre, mutated Mini-USB charging/sync port to me... what the hell was the purpose of this, other than to make you do a double-take the first few thousand times you plug a cable into it?
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Yeah, how much of a savings in expense and space is the proprietary 11-pin ExtUSB anyway? I have already tried 2 adapters that didn't fit right - one that stuck in so hard that I had to use pliers to pull it out, and was afraid I might have damaged the contacts on the port.
The 2.5mm socket on the Wizard seems like a dream in comparison, although even it required getting special adaptors or designed products (like the Shure i2c-T headphones and mike, which worked great, and now I'd like to use them on the Tilt but have to find a new adapter that will give me stereo and use of mic)
But 2 different sockets for the 2 functions seems to me to be a safer and more durable hardware solution than the dual function ExtUSB port.
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13. Where's my flashlight? I'm a king of successfully using things for their entirely "not-intended" purpose. And the flash on the Wizard? About as useful as a screen door on a submarine when it came to pictures. But looking around an engine compartment? Searching a backpack? Inspecting a PC tower's innards? (The list goes on...) That little "flash" kicked some major ass for an always available flashlight. Goodbye, little flashlight... :-(
-Bertokamus-
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I never used the flashlight for that purpose - I have a JPEG picture that is pure white that I can activate with one tap in Pocket Plus - worked well as a flashlight with the Wizard, and now the Tilt.
I'm glad this thread was started, for airing of gripes RE: fixes to things that weren't broke, simple ergonomic things that could be better, etc.

I would love to see feature like the Nokias have, one click, and you start to type an SMS, now is that so hard to do ?

I previously had a TyTn I, and the only thing I am really missing is the flash. It was very helpfull for me to use my phone as a little flashlight.
I also have now some trouble to get used to the inverted keyboard slid; and I often hold my phone in the wrong way after I used it. But I should be able to overcome this shortcomin really soon.
The power button is also harder to reach; it is a quite good thing I think as in the past I sometime accidentaly started my phone.

I would really like to see the battery life of my old Nokia 6210.
I prefer the keyboard on my Wizard. (Vario 1) and the power switch location.
Other than that I am quite pleased overall with my Kaiser (Vario III)

Oh man you asked for it #2
Miscellaneous afterthought stuff: Belt Holster? Thank goodness I had a Wizard previously, because otherwise I'd be stuck without a holster since HTC doesn't seem to think the Kaiser should come with one (thank you, Wizard accessories!) Infrared? Like many other people who note this, it's not like this is a highly-used hardware feature, but when you've torn the Mini-USB port out of your Wizard, and would like to Beam some files around, (since Bluetooth ActiveSync'ing can be a b**ch!), you're stuck! Headphone jack? Again, as I've seen elsewhere, this new USB port on the Kaiser can support some kind of headphones, I guess, and while that's all fine and great, I kind of liked having independent ports that were a little more universal compatible! Sym for % !?!? Man, this sucks, I use the % symbol a lot, and now I have to utilize the Sym map just to get to it... HTC bungled the Kaiser keyboard, I maintain! How about a little DVorak philosophy even if it was in QWERTY fashion?
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I got a belt holster with mine in the HTC box! (They had to change it from the TyTn's orig as it had magnets in it and kept turning the phone on due to the sliding detectors!!)
Yep, we all miss things. Flashlight...etc
I miss a standard earpiece connector so I could power at same time. I know there are 'Y' adaptors out there but its just something else to carry.
You also have to remember that there are differences between the US 'TILT' and the rest of the world's 'Kaisers'
One example is we don't have a 'PTT', I think its where our 'OK' button is to be used in conjunction with the scroll wheel for selecting and closing windows/Apps.
And I notice all our keyboard is dark, non of those silver ones in sight!

IrDA port
I miss the IrDA port more than I thought I would.
I used it to share files with other pda users.
I used it occasionally with a Canon BJ-80 printer.
I sometimes used it for ActiveSync even though it was slow.
Still think the tinny speaker is about the worst backward step, though!

The N95's media functions would have been great. I get more done with the Kaiser on the other hand.

Kaiser pad really sucks !

Me again, my Kaiser is for sale now on Ebay and I'm waiting for the end of the auction; I complained a lot about the fact it is a very bad device for entertainment, but the pad really sucks also for everyday usage !
The two windows buttons around the pad, on the top, are too small. I tried to use my Kaiser as a phone for the first time today, but when I wanted to access the contacts using one of these two windows buttons, most of the time I also pushed the pad at the same time, I was about to throw my Kaiser away !!! Of course same problems when using the other apps of the Kaiser (calendar, etc ...).
Why the hell HTC designed this ****ing pad like that ??? It is too large, and the buttons around it are too small.
If only they would have reduce the pad to make it square (like on the old TYTN) then the buttons around it would be bigger and easier to use !!!!!!!!
A child could imagine that !!!
How much was paid the ergonomic designer of the Kaiser ???????!!!!
And to that I add the fact that the looseness of this pad is really annoying for me, it makes me think I'm using a cheap device.
I really want now my Kaiser to be sold quickly because as long as I will still have it, I will always want to give it another try, and each time I'm getting so nervous that I want to break it !
This is the first pocketpc, out of the seven I had, wich makes me so angry each time I'm using it. And it will also be the one I will have owned for a so short time ! (less than a month)
Too bad because its size is very good when you think about everything it has inside, on the paper it should be a close to perfect device, but the realisation and some conception defaults makes it really a "not worth it" device for me.
The only thing I really appreciated is the integrated GPS, and that's it !!!

Actaully, I like the Kaiser pad for the most part.
The flat keypad on the original Tytn is a pain in the ass to use, as you can't really navigate by feel (useful if you are trying to hit the answer key while reaching into your pocket). Using a completely flat d-pad means you hit the center button almost every time you try to navigate, and it makes diagonals almost impossible.
(Note: I never tried the sculpted keypad of the AT&T flavor of the Tytn - thought it was ugly and liked the flat look of the HTC branded Tytn better. Never will I choose esthetics over functionality again)
There's a Kaiser variant from T-mobile that uses a similar flat keypad design, though the d-pad is a little more sculpted. I don't understand why HTC doesn't stick with one D-pad design for all of it's models. It's pretty sad when the phone that has everything you need at the moment is ruined by a lousy physical UI.
Now, I do agree with you that the elongated d-pad takes some getting used to -- and I can definitely see that being either a love it/hate it thing.
My previous PPC/phones were a Tytn I, a Toshiba e800, and an HP 4150 (HTC design). If you think the Kaiser pad is bad try the e800! HTC got it right on with the 4150 design though, possibly the best Pocket PC I've ever used.

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Actaully, I like the Kaiser pad for the most part.
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But there are still people who complain and cry for there own stupid mistakes.
A little tip: go to a shop next time and try a device before you buy.

marco899 said:
But there are still people who complain and cry for there own stupid mistakes.
A little tip: go to a shop next time and try a device before you buy.
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in a shop, using the device for 5 minutes, does not tell you if you will get use to it (if the seller does allow you to play with it for 5 minutes !).
I also would be glad to know the interest of such a large pad.

Just sell it and buy an other pda and go on with your live.
Don't make such a difficulty of it.
It's not good for your stress level.

I've never had problems with my D-Pad. I'm able to use it just fine without feeling that it's that small. It cold have been a little prettier but it's okay. About the loussiness, maybe it's made that way to protect it from heavy usage. Maybe it' the same principle of ventilators that are never fixed that well on the ceiling. You can notice that it's shaking and that makes it look like it's properly placed, but that happens to protect the device from tearing the ceiling apart over the years.

Weird that the two buttons he is talking about correspond to 1) the soft menu buttons on the screen and he could thus just tap the screen as a workaround or 2) when you use the keyboard, the buttons are replaced with the hardware buttons at the top of the keyboard.
I found it weird for a while moving from a Hermes to a Kaiser - different buttons, screen sliding open the other way but YOU GET USED TO THE CHANGES!

unwired4 said:
Weird that the two buttons he is talking about correspond to 1) the soft menu buttons on the screen and he could thus just tap the screen as a workaround or 2) when you use the keyboard, the buttons are replaced with the hardware buttons at the top of the keyboard.
I found it weird for a while moving from a Hermes to a Kaiser - different buttons, screen sliding open the other way but YOU GET USED TO THE CHANGES!
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I was talking about the "soft menu" buttons, but not only, also about the buttons wich are below it. All buttons around the pad in fact.
You say I can use the on screen buttons, yes ,for sure !
But then you can also say that the soft menu buttons are useless ...
I don't think they are useless, they are very usefull, they allow us to use the device with only one hand, and also I hate pressing the screen with my fingers.
If HTC would not put these soft menu buttons around the pad, I would just not buy the Kaiser. But if they put it there, they should make them easy to access (and it was very easy to do !).

I just want to say that I have quite large hands/fingers and I have no problems with those buttons at all. If I go to push one, I dont wind up pushing the ones next to it. If you have such trouble you must really have some sausage fingers. If that's the case, I dont quite see how you can blame HTC for it.

Goanna said:
I just want to say that I have quite large hands/fingers and I have no problems with those buttons at all. If I go to push one, I dont wind up pushing the ones next to it. If you have such trouble you must really have some sausage fingers. If that's the case, I dont quite see how you can blame HTC for it.
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lol. i feel the same way. i have big hands and fingers, and i have no troubles with the keyboard. Must be some brought wurst fingers.

No problem for me either. Other than the Dpad should be a bit tighter, I like it better than the rest of the HTC devices.

My buttons don't want to be touched...

Ok, this might be the first real problem I've had with my tilt, in a sense that I have no freakin clue what happened or how to fix it. The front buttons on the tilt as well as my keyboard decided they wanted to stop working and I have no clue how to bring them back... let me start from the beginning.
I installed m2d about 2 weeks ago, its kind of laggy but I'm still impressed with the overall UI as it compliments the tilt. Some bugs started popping up here and there but through the forum I was able to make it run relatively smoothly. Last night my tilt wouldn't connect to my computer, the usb contacts might have gone bad or something, it only works when I put pressure on the cable to keep the contacts together. Than today my screen would wake up for no reason, with no programs or application running in the front or background of the device. It was annoying to say the least. Than I got my first text of the day and went to respond using the actual keyboard, no dice. No response from the keyboard. So as Im typing using the stylus I tried to delete something, and the backspace button on the touch keypad isn't working, so more problems. I want to try and hard reset the device to see if that fixes the problem, but since I can't use the hard buttons on the front of the device I can't hard reset (the scroll wheel, ptt, and ok buttons aren't working either) Is this anything anyone has ever heard of? My tilt is kind of battered after a year of use, but nothing significant has happened within the last month to make me think that something inside came loose, especially since this just started today and it was just sitting on my table all night. I appreciate any and all help. Thanks in advance.

might be "m2d" not compatible ... hair wired ..
I wonder ..whether we can install window CE from pc to h/p through usb link ...
"Last night my tilt wouldn't connect to my computer, the usb contacts might have gone bad or something, it only works when I put pressure on the cable to keep the contacts"
r u using original usb cable ..b'cos now a day I saw many only using normal "small" usb cable head which easily spoil the connector at phone ... too loose for that sharp..

l3urton32 said:
Ok, this might be the first real problem I've had with my tilt, in a sense that I have no freakin clue what happened or how to fix it. The front buttons on the tilt as well as my keyboard decided they wanted to stop working and I have no clue how to bring them back... let me start from the beginning.
I installed m2d about 2 weeks ago, its kind of laggy but I'm still impressed with the overall UI as it compliments the tilt. Some bugs started popping up here and there but through the forum I was able to make it run relatively smoothly. Last night my tilt wouldn't connect to my computer, the usb contacts might have gone bad or something, it only works when I put pressure on the cable to keep the contacts together. Than today my screen would wake up for no reason, with no programs or application running in the front or background of the device. It was annoying to say the least. Than I got my first text of the day and went to respond using the actual keyboard, no dice. No response from the keyboard. So as Im typing using the stylus I tried to delete something, and the backspace button on the touch keypad isn't working, so more problems. I want to try and hard reset the device to see if that fixes the problem, but since I can't use the hard buttons on the front of the device I can't hard reset (the scroll wheel, ptt, and ok buttons aren't working either) Is this anything anyone has ever heard of? My tilt is kind of battered after a year of use, but nothing significant has happened within the last month to make me think that something inside came loose, especially since this just started today and it was just sitting on my table all night. I appreciate any and all help. Thanks in advance.
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Go to Start/Settings/System/Clear Storage

and your usb is probably whack

@kaiserII...your usb is whack, haha. that **** made me laugh.

having same exact issue
ya it happened to me sunday night, having exact same problem. keyboard doesnt work, and my front buttons dont work exept for the the center button which ends up opening the start menu (wrong command). Im over my 1 year warrenty and not sure what to do. Had to buy a cheap 40 dollar nokia for the time being, please help if someone can. Oh and I did a hard reset, and it didnt fix anything. Booted android with it and 1 out of 5 times the buttons came back, this is really weird/vexing.

l3urton32 said:
Ok, this might be the first real problem I've had with my tilt, in a sense that I have no freakin clue what happened or how to fix it. The front buttons on the tilt as well as my keyboard decided they wanted to stop working and I have no clue how to bring them back... let me start from the beginning.
I installed m2d about 2 weeks ago, its kind of laggy but I'm still impressed with the overall UI as it compliments the tilt. Some bugs started popping up here and there but through the forum I was able to make it run relatively smoothly. Last night my tilt wouldn't connect to my computer, the usb contacts might have gone bad or something, it only works when I put pressure on the cable to keep the contacts together. Than today my screen would wake up for no reason, with no programs or application running in the front or background of the device. It was annoying to say the least. Than I got my first text of the day and went to respond using the actual keyboard, no dice. No response from the keyboard. So as Im typing using the stylus I tried to delete something, and the backspace button on the touch keypad isn't working, so more problems. I want to try and hard reset the device to see if that fixes the problem, but since I can't use the hard buttons on the front of the device I can't hard reset (the scroll wheel, ptt, and ok buttons aren't working either) Is this anything anyone has ever heard of? My tilt is kind of battered after a year of use, but nothing significant has happened within the last month to make me think that something inside came loose, especially since this just started today and it was just sitting on my table all night. I appreciate any and all help. Thanks in advance.
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Exactly the same thing has happened to me!! Coming on randomly, draining the battery really quickly and the same keys doing the same things as yours i.e. nothing or Start menu. The backspace and space don't work on the on-screen keyboard either. Is it the end of the road or has anyone the slightest idea what the hell to do!?!?!?

Same issue but slightly different
2 days ago I started hearing a noise from my phone that was not something I normally hear. After checking my phone I found out it was the voice recorder program opening up on its own. It started repeatedly doing this and recording automatically. I had to hold down the close option (X) and before it would stop. AFter a reset and when the phone wakes up it always does this now. Along with all these whacky problems my hard buttons stopped working. My scroll wheel and D-pad sometimes work and only the up, down, left and right arrows work on the keyboard. Camera button seems to work sometimes also. All others have stopped responding. Except for holding the power key. I just reflashed my phone to latest phoenix ROM and problem is the same. Is this it for the phone or is there a fix.
Anyone??? Please!!

Try this free fix
I had the same problem as the original poster. My fix was to download AE Button Plus trial and use it to reset my keys to their original setting. I did not have to do the keyboard, just the external keys. Now my tilt works like it used to.
This fixed the problem when clear storage and reloading roms did not.
It doesn't hurt to try since the trial is free.
Good Luck,
Will

same here... help pls...
any one yet has found a solution for this issue??? 2days ago my Kaiser suddenly started with same problems, buttons dont work and the recorder goes on, any one yet found a way to fix it??? thanks...

I have no idea if this will actually help anyone but I installed japanese input on my kaiser once and during the process a registry got edited that stopped my hardware keyboard and the hardware keys (front keys) from working and the fix was to correct the value:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Layouts\e0010411]
edit the 0010411 value to "00000409"
again I have no idea if this will help but it wouldnt hurt to check to see if the registry somehow got changed. Goodluck and I hope you guys figure it out.

didnt work...
dantegl36 said:
I have no idea if this will actually help anyone but I installed japanese input on my kaiser once and during the process a registry got edited that stopped my hardware keyboard and the hardware keys (front keys) from working and the fix was to correct the value:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Layouts\e0010411]
edit the 0010411 value to "00000409"
again I have no idea if this will help but it wouldnt hurt to check to see if the registry somehow got changed. Goodluck and I hope you guys figure it out.
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thanks anyways "dantegl36" but it didnt work...

I have the same issue
This is intresting, I just posted on this, as I am having the same issue, which of course just started a few days ago. I have the updated UI as well but I installed it as well.

Any idea how to fix it??

keyboard fix "edfc" problem
yes , kaiser tweak slide wake disabled ...it OK
Greetings from Olsztyn Poland
Unfortunately, the problem returned it was only a temporary improvement, sorry

For my tytn2 after rom upgrade, the front buttons do not respond except the central one. the side buttons are responding under the win only but in the bootloader screen they don't respond. and I cannot make a hard reset.
I did a hard reset through the setting menu but still the problem has not been solved. Adding on that the keyboard doesn't work except the arrow keys.
Do anyone can figure a solution for that. except the hardware problem bec I am out of warranty.
Did anyone was able to solve the problem fully?

oo wow, i have the same problem. hope theres a fix

adding to that the the bluetooth is turnino on by itself even if I switched it off and the device by itself after time of switching it off it refuse to start again unless I did a soft reset.
I tried all the avilabe suggestion but nothing worked.

Hiya
This seems to be a problem with the TyTn II - there are several threads in this forum about it, none of which have any working solutions that I ever found...
I spent ages trying different ROMS, Radios and pressing of buttons and haven't found a solution - other than to disown the TyTn II and get another phone! I did pick it up again the other day and it is still refusing to have working buttons or keyboard (as reported by others, only the central buttons seems to work all the time as a Start Menu button).
I did manage to stop it eating battery at a ridiculous rate by turning it to specific radio settings rather than letting it find its own GPRS/ 3G and phone band. I think it was in this thread
I was considering sending my TynTn II to HTC, but I'm not sure it's going to be worth the postage and their service fees as I've already replaced it with a Touch Pro 2. Then again if we ALL sent them in, they might acknowledge some sort of problem with this model.

samstables said:
Hiya
This seems to be a problem with the TyTn II - there are several threads in this forum about it, none of which have any working solutions that I ever found...
I spent ages trying different ROMS, Radios and pressing of buttons and haven't found a solution - other than to disown the TyTn II and get another phone! I did pick it up again the other day and it is still refusing to have working buttons or keyboard (as reported by others, only the central buttons seems to work all the time as a Start Menu button).
I did manage to stop it eating battery at a ridiculous rate by turning it to specific radio settings rather than letting it find its own GPRS/ 3G and phone band. I think it was in this thread
I was considering sending my TynTn II to HTC, but I'm not sure it's going to be worth the postage and their service fees as I've already replaced it with a Touch Pro 2. Then again if we ALL sent them in, they might acknowledge some sort of problem with this model.
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can I know how did u mange to change the rom? bec even my side buttons refuse to work whenever I am at the bootloader screen and the upgrade through the active sync failed.

hardware keyboard lag

hello i'm using the official latest rom from the HTC site...i have a problem with the hardware keyboard...what happens is that when i'm typing, the characters take too much time to appear on the screen and many(almost always) times characters are missing and i have to retype them...when i bought the phone it had hyperdragon III and the problem was the same but without the part "characters missing"i have tried 5-6 other roms and the problem is still not solved...does anyone know how to fix this?i am 99% sure that there is no hardware problem from the keyboard cause that would mean that some certain letters in the keyboard are broken...but in my case it happens on random letters every time...thanks in advance!

Moved as not ROM Development.
Try the speed increase .cab in this .zip
The hardware keyboards are notorious for going wrong on Kaiser.

thanks for the advice...i installed both cabs and then did a soft reset...the difference is not big and the lag keeps going but the characters missing issue got a lot better...stil not perfect...thanks so much...

That's cool glad it helped, good job you got a Tilt or your keyboard would be messed up as the other .cab is layout for keyboard Like i said the Kaiser is notorious for the keyboard gettin bad, mine i have about 5 keys i have to stomp on with thumb

really starting to feel like i have to get rid of this phone...it has so many good things but sometimes i forget i have a phone and feels like i have a really old crappy pc which freezes all the time...maybe it's the time to buy an HD2

HD2 would be nice "mind you think i'd get a Rhodium for keyboard", i use Raphael as no contract still better than Kaiser especially now have me own custom ROM rockin away

yeah i know...the keyboard is why i bought the kaiser from the first place...i had a samsung f490 and i couldn't stand it...everything was touch...i had to press a combination of touch buttons to answer a call!imagine me driving my car and trying to answer my girlfriend on the phone...so i traded it for a laptop and bought a kaiser...the reason i am going for an HD2 is because it's the fastest...i wish they could make a keyboard version...that would be really nice!

also have the lagging button syndrome! sometimes letters missing, sometimes duplicates and other times it hangs and makes 3messages full of a single character, so frustrating! now my 'g' button is broken and 'n' and 's' also dont work. but at least i have the screen keyboard to use! otherwise i love this phone! better than any other brand!

the problem is that this isn't a hardware problem...it's software for sure...sometimes the phone freezes...i'm pressing the same button like a million times and nothing happens...at that time the touch controller doesn't work either...and after some time like 5-6 seconds the phone is accepting input again like normal but with lag and with characters missing...i recall that the cabs provided solved the problem...maybe it was a coincidence or something...if it was a hardware problem i would buy a new keyboard and voila all fixed but that's not the problem...many times it misses my touch commands and even more times i have to press the power button to put the phone to sleep state and then press it again to wake it up in order to let me use touch commands again...really nice phone but not for me...i will go buy a practical phone with 60-70 euro which never freezes and doesn't even have wifi or bluetooth but at least i can type a freaking message without have to try 5 minutes to write 160 characters...i use messages a lot...like 2000-3000 messages every month and the full keyboard was the reason why i bought this thing...now it will be the reason to sell it...

Question Official Keyboard cover with trackpad self disabling

Dear XDA community, I'm writing to please ask some help on a problem I'm facing with my official samsung book keyboard cover. I attach it to the tablet, the tablet disables the soft keyboard to allow me to type with the hardware keyboard...... and it doesn't work.
My tablet is: Tab S8 SM-X700, One UI 4.1.1, Android 12, Update 1st October 2022, Build number SP2A.220305.013.X700XXS2AVJ4.
It does't seem to be an hardware problem as I returned the keyboard under warranty and asked for a raplacement. It lasted just a few hours before randomly showing the same behaviour. My best guess is that there is a buggy firmware option/feature that disables the keyboard when the keyboard is folded and the tablet is using it as a stand. This way even if you accidentally press the keys the input will not be registered. Problem is that If i don't need the keyboard I just detatch it so I have no use for this feature, and when I attach the keyboard I definetly want the damn keyboard to type. Sometimes I'm typing normally and the keyboard randomly disables making the soft keyboard flash a bunch of times and of course not writing anything useful.
This are the things I do to restore the keyboard functionality when it doesn't work (it makes me loose whatever I'm doing since it disrupts my workflow and if a person is talking I just miss taking notes of several minutes of the speech).
Detatching and reattaching the keyboard to the tablet (usually doesn't help. When i detatch the keyboard the soft one is restored, when I reattach the keyboard the soft one is disabled but the hard one still cannot type).
Cicling the keyboard from closed to type position to stand position a couple of times. (It worked well enough for a couple of days that i was willing to consider it an acceptable workaround that consumed just a few seconds every time it was needed. What happens more and more often is that the soft keyboard flashes on and off a few times. If i type something, the first letter or so will get randomly imputted a bunch of times with no subsequent imput registered by the application that I am using). Besides, folding the keyboard always disables it and no keys are registered when pressed.
Factory reset does absolutely nothing as well as cleaning the data of the samsung keyboard.
Tapping on the palmrest area near the trackpad. Often when I do that It looks like it is feeling something as the soft keyboard start flashing on and off. If i write something on the hardware keyboard a letter or two may get typed. Maybe the keyboard has an accelerometer that gets bumped/reset when i do this.
Raising the keyboard on the tablet side. This provides to me a more confortable typing experience and surprisingly enough it seems to make the typing behaviour more stable once i manage to make it register something but it doesn't help in that initial "no writing phase". Again maybe the keyboard accelerometer is "feeling" me bunping on the keyboard while I write.
Installing and setting as default keyboard a third party keyboard like Swift Key. It unfortuately does not change the hardware keyboard behaviour whatsoever.
Is anyone having the same problem? Does anyone know of a possible solution? Does anyone have a different keyboard case that is working reliably and allows a comfortable typing experience? Maybe one with the hinge on the keyboard and not on the tablet, that still allows to charge and not loose the spen, and to detatch the keyboard part from the tablet?
One thing that I havent tried yet is to flash a build from a different region. I think mine has the German version, if nobody from UK, Spain, Italy had this problem I might try one of those firmwares. The keyboard is also German as I could't source any querty one, or even any ISO one for that matter (it has an ANSI like layout with the small enter button and an Apple like combined Del+Backspace combined with additional useless buttons that occupy space like a dedicated dex/screenshot button that I keep accidentally pressing, an Esc key where the default behaviour is not Esc, a Lang Key in place of AltGr that i keep accidentally pressing, an AltGr key in place of an Fn or Ctrl key, A random Fn key in between the Ctrl and Win/Cmd key that is there just be randomly accidentally pressed).... but it doesn't matter as I have a different more important problem with it.
Thank you in advance so much to anyone in this community that might read this post. Sorry for my ranty rescription of the problem but it gets frustrating when you pay laptop like money for an untested gimmiky toy.

I have the ultra that had a similar issue, but not as bad as your describing. There were 2 keyboard updates since I got the tablet and it improved my issue to the point that once in a blue moon I would get the keyboard not working issue, than I would restart the tablet and it would work for a while without issues. There is a specific way to trigger the keyboard to update, check on youtube/search google, can't remember how to trigger it the 1st time as there is a specific way, after that it would automatically update or show there is an update. Hope it helps you with your issue

Thank you very much for your reply. Unfortunately there is no firmware update available for the tab S7/S8 book keyboard. I've now contacted samsung that told me to create an error report. I'll write here the reply to help the community if and how i manage to fix the problem.

Jonearthur thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I did all of the "standard" stuff many times with no results.
Since my last message the tablet got a major Android Update to android 13. And while travelling the keyboard received an update as well. Needless to say that I still have the same problem as before.
Samsung replied to my request in the least useful way possible to tell me that the team is working on a fix. I onestly just think that the Tab S8 connection to the keyboard has an electrically flawed design.
Since for me this is also the first device with a "floppy detatchable keyboard" I'm also wondering wether I should trust at all the concept of a keyboard that attaches to the device in this way.

Hello I wanted to give an update on this topic. Since more than one month passed from my report to Samsung I decided to contact them again.
The support was awful, I received no help watsoever except from "sorry we didn't care about your error report, write it again and maybe we will read it and reply". So I did the report again. Still waiting a reply on that one after more than a week so.... I'm not holding my breath.
During the unhappy chat I told them that I was tired of not having help and that I wanted to be refunded. Guess what.... since the problem concerns the keyboard they can refund the keyboard but cannot refund the tablet. Then this person further specified that the tablet can be sent for repairs but never refunded. Just to make a comparison suppose that you bought a car. Now suppose that for whatever reason the weels keep detatching from the car. Suppose that you are not ok with it and ask for a refund. Suppose that the support of the company tells you "sorry bro you can give us the weels and we will refund the cost for them but the car is fine so you have to keep it". This is the level of absurdity that Samsung reached.
Even taking into consideration the possible keyboard refund I still did not find an alternative cover that includes a keyboard and that has a way to keep the pen charged without loosing it in a backpack. Even the other keyboard from Samsung does not support that. You can keep the pen but don't you dare to charge it.
Today after a bit of hesitation I installed yet another update for the tablet. That made no diffrence for the keyboard behaviour. After that I made yet another desperate factory reset. Surprisingly this time it looks like for whatever reason the keyboard seems to be working.
I'll keep an eye on it just in case it decides to misbehave again. The description of the update does not contain any clue to as to why doing a factory reset before did not fix the keyboard but it does now.