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TyTN II Keyboard & Softkey Death

Hi all... just curious if anyone has had this problem or has any advice for me:
Today out of nowhere my TyTN II starts acting really funky. When I push the "power" button on the right hand side, it lights up the phone, pulls up the phone application and some letters begin appearing one-at-a-time where the currently dialing number usually shows up (E, D, F, and then C if it makes any difference). It will also light up and do this intermittently when the phone is not being used. The notes recorder app also came up and began recording until I unmapped that application from the 6th button in the settings. In addition, all of the slide out keyboard buttons and the soft-keys themselves (save for the middle button) are completely non-responsive. Using the stylus on-screen works fine. So far a soft reset and a hard reset (always wonderful away from home) hasn't alleviated the issue.
I've contacted HTC support, and they gave me the warranty repair number (of course this crap always happens on a weekend). It sure sounds like a hardware failure to me, but I just thought I'd throw it out to the geeks on here...

I'll buy it for 100 dollars. email me: [email protected]
or you could try doing a master reset on the phone or flashing it with a rom..
hopefully you have hard spl on your phone

huh? huh? and huh?

Oh and if anyone out there who isn't inclined to be a jerk, could you give me some insight into what to expect from HTC service and repair? Do you agree that this is a hardware issue and most likely not a corrupted ROM?

Its not master reset its hard reset. What he is saying is to reset everything and it should work. Look at the Wiki for help. We aren't gonna spoon feed you answers that are searchable, but if they aren't specifically answered in some source then we will help which is 50% of the time.
~~Tito~~

did any of you guys even read his post?
castlecraver said:
So far a soft reset and a hard reset (always wonderful away from home) hasn't alleviated the issue.
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XtreMe_G said:
did any of you guys even read his post?
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I said to do it again then read the wiki if it doesn't work. 2nd time should be the charm.
If not use a different rom .
This happened to my up button I forgot to mention, it was the radio for me that was the problem so try a different radio also.

Did you find the answer?
Hello Mate,
I've got the very same issue, thought it may have been a virus at first, but after loading up a new rom the problem still exists, I'm reckoning the phone is less than useless now

i had this type of problem for quite some amount of time & that too randomly. then i found that a key lock feature in pocketmusic was interfering and causing it. similarly, i feel any other apps that may use/ be used to remap keys may cause this issue.
ofc, since u have done a hard reset, this may not really apply to u. but then which rom & radio are u using anyways?

Hey... just an update. I sent the device back to HTC in Houston with an RMA. Communication with the repair center was fairly poor. I had no idea the phone was on it's way back to me until it showed up at my door today. No information in the box, but I wasn't charged for any repair and everything works as normal at this time. The device went through the "first time" setup when powered on. Still no idea what caused the problem or what exactly they did. R:...12.32, D:1.56.0 (same as before I'm pretty sure).
axeman: Never had pocketmusic on this (AFAIK), but if it was due to some other software re-mapping the keys, wouldn't it sort itself out with a hard reset? I could be wrong. This seems more like a hardware failure to me.
devil's advocate: Try contacting the HTC repair center in your country. They gave me an RMA without any trouble and their turnaround was quick (although I would have appreciated some notification that it was fixed and back on it's way). I got my TyTN II within a few weeks of it coming out, so I'd assume yours is under warranty still as well. I wouldn't chalk it up as worthless quite yet, even (dare I say) still worth more than $100. (Suck my balls, gqstatus0685 )

Unresponsive/heavy QWERTY keys

Hello fellow Kaiser users,
I don't know if this happened only with me or others have experienced the same.
TyTN II keys on the QWERTY after a year of use has some keys responding after the 2nd or 3rd stroke of the key.
Did anyone else experience this?
Is there a solution?
It is really bugging me when I'm typing an SMS or typing something down.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Hardware suggestions also I will try on my own risk.

fireblade63 said:
TyTN II keys on the QWERTY after a year of use has some keys responding after the 2nd or 3rd stroke of the key.
Did anyone else experience this?
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Same problem here, but I started noticing it after 4/5 months of use. Would like to know about a solution also.

I feel your pain, this is what is really killing me because the keyboard is a very big part of the phone, and I've only been using it for 7 months. If i knew it would become this unresponsive i would of got an i phone because this phones on screen keyboard and transcriber is useless.

It happened to me after 7 months. The "c" key on my tilt started to become unresponsive so I called up at&t and had it warranty exchanged for a refurb. This second one was already even worse than the one I'd just sent back, so I had them send out another one. This third one is fine, although the "c" key (again, oddly enough) doesn't click like the others. It's responsive, but feels a little different. I didn't feel like going through the exchange process again, so for now I'm living with it.

My 1 month old refurb tilt doesn't type the keys when I press them sometimes. I should have that fixed. I thought it was a software problem...
My brand new XPS M1530 does the same thing sometimes. I guess I reckoned it was just me not pressing on the keys hard enough or something like that...

So I'm not the only one with the problem...
But no solution?!
Even a hint of what might be causing this would help..

have you guys tried using the disable XT9 cab ?

yes
I think it is H/W cleaning related
How to clean is the deal...

you can find disassembling guides on mikechannon's web. just follow the disassembling instructions and after you remove keyboard, try cleaning it.

Same problem for me.
I'm always very carefull with my device, and don't use the hardware keyboard very often.
Now for some letters I really have to press harder to make them work.
I have my device for only 6 or 7 months.

Have had my Kaiser for 6 months now and the Y and B keys are starting to go out. For the past couple weeks I have been considering sending it in for warranty exchange but I have taken very good care of my Kaiser and worry about what I would get back...

Anyone eager enough tried disasembling and cleaning?
Moreover, did it work?
funny thing here is that I get more unresponsiveness in the right side of the keyboard (enter; L; P; direction keys).
It is a real pain...

Most prolly will do it soon
Will let you all know of the outcome

Same here.
Had mine 8 months, the W key is worst, takes a really heavy press to get it to work, has been like that for about 5 months.
Now the B is also getting bad, so is the S.
If i'm likely to get a refurb back i guess i'll just put up with it until my contract is up.

I'm facing the same problem on my HTC herald. HTC keyboard quality has gone way down. I never faced such problem when I had htc universal.

Hey man,
since you had quite some ppls share of PPCs;
did you disassemble any of them before?
Do you think it's a good idea to do it myself?
I'm extra careful normally but I'm having doubts
kdskamal said:
I'm facing the same problem on my HTC herald. HTC keyboard quality has gone way down. I never faced such problem when I had htc universal.
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Similar problems here with my Tilt. FN, CAP/SHIFT, N are all problematic for me.
Has anyone tried a spray liquid electronic "contact cleaner" on a device like this before?

Weird
Oddly enough, I have had this problem a little bit with mine as well. However mine is the space bar. I, like many others I am sure, have hopped from ROM to ROM. When I changed ROMs the last time, it seemed to fix the issue. It was really weird because a lot of the times I would type something, and the letters would turn out something like this:
Iw antt oe at atj oes.
Like I said, I just swapped ROMs and it seemed to fix it. maybe the t9?

killerbeans said:
Oddly enough, I have had this problem a little bit with mine as well. However mine is the space bar. I, like many others I am sure, have hopped from ROM to ROM. When I changed ROMs the last time, it seemed to fix the issue. It was really weird because a lot of the times I would type something, and the letters would turn out something like this:
Iw antt oe at atj oes.
Like I said, I just swapped ROMs and it seemed to fix it. maybe the t9?
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You are correct sir! Just run "disable xt9" (found plenty of places on the kaiser forum) and your problem should be fixed.

I too have had this problem. I noticed it with the d, r, and space bar keys. Interestingly enough the keys that i press often (Take A for example [I have it mapped to the A button in PocketNesterPlus]) aren't hard to press at all. What I'm trying right now is pressing the problem keys over and over again to see if they "loosen up". Best Case Scenario: It works. Worst Case Scenario: I ruin an expensive piece of equipment.
Update: This might be working. To test which keys were unresponsive i typed abcdefghijklmnop.... without exerting any extra effort. The keys w and r didn't show up so i kept working them. I repeated the test and I got r to work. perhaps i am unknowingly pressing r harder, or perhaps not.

Backlight turns on!! Tilt WM6.1

I have an AT&T tilt and I just upgraded it to the WM6.1 ROM from the HTC webpage and since then I have noticed that when I turn of the screen, all of a sudden it just lights up for a sec and turns off again, without any reason, is there a way to fix this, do i have to flash it again? what do I have to do?

i have the same issue, seems like after i flashed it happened.. any ideas?
one cool feature is that when it flickers, if u press the screen constantly, it flickers.. like a strobe light.. lol

I have the same problem. It's annoying because I think I'm getting a text or call. and usually I don't receive texts, i have to see it light up then press the mail button to see if I have a new text. ARGH.

My Tilt does the same thing. It's a whiteish-gay light. It'll come on for short bursts or I'll notice it on in the middle of the night, and who knows how long it's on until I notice it.
I had upgraded to WM6.1 a while back, and didn't have any issues, but had to hard reset my Tilt and it has been doing it since.
It doesn't do it all the time, either. Weird.

Mine Does The Same Thing
I hope there is a fix some time for this ..

I'm glad i am not the only one, but havent found a fix yet

I seem to remember there being an issue with screen flicker when the Tilt first came out, I think it was related to having Telnav selected in the today screen items tab. Try removing the checks one item at a time from the items tab, I doubt it will be as simple as a software conflict but it could be worth trying.
I had an issue with SPB Pocket Plus on my today screen, once I moved it in to a tab on SPB Shell the issue disappeared.

Fixxed?
I dont know if it just stopped doing it, I am not paying attention anymore or if one of the many things I did finally worked, but the truth is i havent seen it do it again, Thanks to everybody

It been happening on my Tilt since I got it last month.

This is happening on my tilt too... only after upgrading to 6.1. Glad to see it is not just me, but very concerning that this is a problem directly in the 6.1 TILT rom.

Bump........
Any body have any luck on this? I continue to have this problem.

Adding my voice and another symptom
is anyone else having this problem:
1. lock the tilt by tapping 'device unlocked'
2. tap the power button.
3. the backlight comes on, no picture but instead of flashing it stays on draining the battery
4. tap the power button to turn the tilt back on
5. tap the power button to turn tilt back off again
6. tilt stays off.
the issue did not change with the backlight hotfix.

Maybe try another ROM
Finally, i found others with this stupid glitch
I thought it was a hardware error, so i had AT&T send me a warranty/replacement, and guess what... comes out of the box and STILL DOES IT! Has anyone with this problem tried installing a DIFFERENT ROM, like one from the XDA forums? I'm about to try that, because i am fed up with this. I will report if it works. ARG!
Sorry for the ranting. but in a way, i'm relieved. that there are others with this problem
... It might pay to just go back to Windows Mobile 6.0.....
-=ZYXTIA=-

Different ROM fixed problem, but just had more problems after. Sorry guys.

Me Too...
I am glad that I have found other people with the same issue as me. I thought it was just my phone, as I do a lot of backups and restores after I do something stupid with my phone and I also use a lot of beta/unstable software, and figured it was caused by these. However, it only happened after I upgraded to 6.1 stock ROM. Maybe somebody can figure out exactly why this happens, and then we can come up with a fix. I am just happy that I'm no longer alone with this issue
-Dave

I'm very pleased to know that it isn't just me experiencing this stupid backlight issue.
It started happening the second I upgraded to WM6.1
Funny thing is, it only happens to me if I Lock the phone (keys) and turn off the screen. If I just turn off the screen without locking, the backlight stays off.
It would be really great if someone could come up with a fix for this that doesnt require me to reflash my phone with some cooked up rom

has anyone tried this hotfix?
http://www.htc.com/us/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=67&cat=1&dl_id=269
i'm experiencing the same problem, will try it and post back as soon as i can
edit: didn't work. got some error about it couldnt remove the old customization tool or something like that

Running the AT&T 6.1 ROM and silly thing turns on by itself at 12 midnight. No connection to anything as I leave it in Flight Mode. Only goes off after I hit the Power Button. Drains the battery down to about half by the time I leave for work at 7AM.
Really is annoying!

Possible Solution
If you are still under warranty, call up AT&T warranty replacement (Customer service is 1-800-331-0500, and just ask for warranty department), and tell them you have this problem. TELL THEM YOU THINK IT IS A HARDWARE ISSUE, and they will send you a replacement, refurbished Tilt. The next one will also have WM6.1 on it, and do the same thing. HOWEVER, it is AT&T policy that after two replacements, instead of getting another one the third time, they give you a refurb of a DIFFERENT MODEL. That is how i got the AT&T FUZE (a.k.a. the HTC Touch Pro, a.k.a the "Raphael"). It doesn't have that problem. But otherwise, i have no other suggestions. i'm just sick of having AT&T screw up the phone's software, and then try to pass it off as quality.

Mine comes on exactly at midnight!
Annoying as hell...and the light from it wakes me up from across the room.
Mack

No key responce of keyboard and frontpanel or wrong responce

Hi all,
Since a couple of weeks my X1 has the following problem.
- Key on the front do not work
-- Backlight lits up but no responce from key or wrong responce (starts dailing last number)
- keyboard no responce
-- keys lid up but no correct responce
-phone starts dailing last dailed nr automatically (phone laying on table and not touching it, it still dailes the last nr at random times)
-restarting no help.
-soft restart no help
-battery removed and wait >4 days... problem solved but returns after 3 days (give or take)
Had windows 6.1 installed at first when the problem started.
Now I have 6.5 SEX1 version installed but same problem occurred.
anybody ideas?? or even recognize the issue? could not find a simmilar issue
kind regards
Wally

Sounds like you have hardware issues. Still got yer warranty? If so, reflash orignal everything and send it back because its obviously more than a firmware problem

Hmm... sounds bad..... I have no Warrenty anymore.... does this mean my phone will slowly but surely turn into an nice brick.....
any ideas how to fix this... except buying a new one....

You could try disassembling the whole unit, and cleaning all of your contacts and ensuring that all of your connections inside are secure.
No guarantees it will help, but if you are at the point of giving it up for lost then it couldn't hurt.

Cleaned my phone today... took it appart to the last screw, cleaned it..... unfortunately no help.
Responds to the 1st button, then no responce to the following...

Well, if it's only the buttons, you could use an application like AE Button Plus to disable them alltogether. Then you can just only only the screen itself to control the phone.

Thanks for the suggestion, but that is not what I am looking for .... (yet)
I hope there is a way to fix this, hopefully somebody had the same issue and was able to solve the issue.... if not... I can always use that program then.

Wally850 said:
Thanks for the suggestion, but that is not what I am looking for .... (yet)
I hope there is a way to fix this, hopefully somebody had the same issue and was able to solve the issue.... if not... I can always use that program then.
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I've been lurking these forums for a while and I have never had, or seen reports of the problem you describe. I'm assuming you tried the search function (google) as well. If that turns up empty too, you're out of options.

Had a very similar problem when my phone got slightly wet, dropped from ear under tap when washing my hands. Problem didnt show for a few days so didnt think it was the water, but in case it was I heat soaked it by leaving it behind glass on a sunny day while charging. It got very hot but after a few treatments it was cured and has been ok for a year.
It realy was unuseable as the keyboard and all buttons were giving totaly false random responces.
Worth a try.

Yes I searched on Google as well... no help unfortunately.
Although I took my phone appart, and cleaned it so it should be dry.
I can always put in in the oven and heat is up to .. lets say 55 degr.C and leave it for an hour to bake..... need frosting on that afterwards....
tell you more tomorrow

just tried my luck using the oven.... no help.
I am out of ideas....
think I will try that buttonprogram afterall....
thanks for helping

Did you use this tutorial??
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=535664

HELP!! my screen works....but it doesnt....

ok guys and gals, heres one for you. i know im a noob but this one has got me stumped and i cant for the life of me find anything in this or any forum or even google. i have the tilt. just flashed a cooked rom for the first time several weeks ago thanks to everyone on here and all the FAQs and stickies. (to any other noob, all the info is out there!!!!! dont be lazy!!! SEARCH AND READ YOUR HEART OUT!!!!) anyway, im running Witscheys latest 6.5 rom build 23071 HSPL 3.34 w/ radio 1.70.19.09. ive been tweakin it pretty much every day tryin to get it to the way i want.
well im so close to finishing and the the screen suddenly decided to randomly not respond to my touch. the buttons were the only way to control the phone. even after numerous soft resets. then it would decide to start responding. so i was doing some research and tried a couple diff methods of fixing "screen freezes" (but i dont think its a "screen freeze" as it worked fine with the use of the buttons) finally found a post in the thread for the room that read:
Originally Posted by cpala
Hi witschey,
I work with you rom a week a go, but sometimes the device screen freeze.
ugoff
Member
I had that same problem. Need to change the cache settings in Advanced Config. The filesystem cache defaults to 512kb, so I set it to auto and it doesn't freeze anymore. I also turned up the glyph cache to 32kb. Between the two, the phone interface runs fast and smooth.
so i tried that and it still didnt fix it. then i decided to just do a hard reset and install one app a day at a time (all the ones i had before the hard reset) to see if one of them was casing it. well after the hard reset i didnt notice the problem anymore. i was stoked. now all i needed to do was figure out which app was giving me trouble. WELL about 10 min later when i was texting my friends as usuall, my phone recieved a message but the screen was black. so i slid it open (wake on slide) and the screen turned on. replied to my buddy,closed the lid and the screen went black..... WTF? slid it open, screen on. closed, screen black.... and so forth. this is the way it has been since yesterday. even tried two more hard resets with no change.
NOW HERES THE WEIRD PART!!! if i slide it open JUST A LITTLE very slowly, the backlight turns on barely. just enuf to see the today screen but its very very dim. its as if there is a bad connection. but the screen is in portrait mode like it should be. if i open it fast the backlight turns on, screen shows portrait, then switches to landscape like it should. close it, it goes black but i know it switches back cuz the next time i open it, i can see it change again.
EVEN WEIRDER--- if open landscape, get into an app or program such as contacts where i can flick to scroll, ill close the lid, immediately flick the screen, open lid and low and behold my friends are just scrollin by!!!! the damn screen is responsive but there is no backlight!!! so to test i plugged into my laptop, activated mymobiler, and EVERYTHING works like it should when i touch the screen, use the buttons, open close the lid. it all shows up on my laptop. but the damn screen is still black when lid is closed. so i can literally look at my laptop and touch the black screen on my tilt and controll it!! WHY IS THE BACKLIGHT SHUTTING OFF WHEN ITS CLOSED!!!!???
so then i decided to tear the damn phone completely apart about 2 hours ago, check all connections, and clean all the dust. all connections checked out fine, put it back together and still have the problem. i know there is a magnet and sensor that tells the screen when to rotate when the screen is opened or closed but its obviously working cuz it will rotate the screen. my guess was that some kind of registry entry has been changed somehow. but then i realized thats not it because the hard resets didnt fix it. now im thinking hardware...... IM SO SORRY THIS POST IS SOOOOOO LOOOONNNNGGG but i dont know what else to do. phone was working great up until yesterday and i cant have this!!! has anyone had this problem with this or any other device or even know which direction to point me in??? PLEASE HELP!!! thanks in advance for any replies!!! the quicker ther better

I think your flat cable is broken. Doesn't make connection when closed (no backlight), barely connects when opened (backlight on).
So I think you need a new flat cable...

I agree with blueflame... I think it has nothing to do withthe rom flash.. it sounds like your ribbon cable is "Starting" to go.. unfortunatly it will only get worse where it wont; read you memory card, and evenutally your Sim card as well (speaking from experiance here).... If you are handy with tools, you can try to but a new one yourself and install it... But there are also some shops aroudnthe world, aswell and some members here who may be able to fix it for you... for a price (and not, I am not one of them)... Sorry for the bad news bud.. but I personally would rather knwo that than hard resettign 100 times and nrto beign able to figure out the problem...

hey. thanks for the fast replies! thats not exactly what i wanted to hear but like Teej said, its better to know than messing around with something else. now by flat cable are you reffering to the biggest ribbon cable inside the phone that connects the screen half of the phone to the keyboard half? Or the connector that comes directly out of the screen itself (meaning i buy a new screen and install and all is well) or is it another cable? but i think those are the only two that have anything to do with the screen other then the one for the sensor/magnet. here is a photo to help point out which ones. i have the manual so i can grab more photos if needed. thanks again for the help so far. good stuff. we are getting somewhere!!
photobucket.com/albums/b145/kewljay223/tilt.jpg

since im not allowed to post outside links yet, type this-----> h-t-t-p-:-/-/-i-1-8-. (minus the dashes between characters) in front of the link in my last post in your address bar to create the ACTUAL LINK and it should take you to the picture.