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I really like the Tilt, but the WM OS is just not for me. I really, really just hate it.
BUT, before i get rid of it, i wanted to know, is there any hope for the near future of running a custom Andoid rom on this thing? not running it within WM, i'm talking about full blown Android stand alone?
Because if thats the case, i might just throw it in my closet for a few months.
if not, it better start packing its bags tonight!
Sorry for OOT, but I have the same feeling towards the OS, bro.
I hate all M$ product so much (make it PC or PPC), but in the end I HAVE TO USE THEM WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT.
Just for the sake of compatibility with so many other person I live and interact with everyday.
You gotta learn to face it mate, hence, the frustration. I knew the feeling.
Actually there are alternatives like palm and apple, but only few uses or supports them. Which will make, in the end, worse frustration.
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Hi. See this link if you haven't yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782
I'm sure it's a question of time 'till a standalone version comes out.
Cheers,
Draco
Android will be further down the road but it will be even later when we see a full-blown OS for the Tilt/Kaiser.
Once an Android OS is available though I will be flashing. I cannot stand WinMo either.
Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.
Its going to be at least as long as it takes to release the first Android Phone to the general public, once thats done then the platform will open up more and be more accessible to us devs. I think Android is going to be amazing once its up and running properly on the MSM7200 chip set. But your best bet would be to hold on to your kaiser and put it in a drawer some place and buy another phone if you don't like the OS and the GUI that comes with it, if you can afford to do so. I am not a fan boy but if you don't need your phone as a business tool then the new 3G Iphone is the way to go in "MY" opinion (please do not turn this into an Apple VS Mac thread) Bottom line is HTC makes great business phones that they did a great job marketing as a general consumer "media" device which it is in some ways. But if your holding onto your kaiser in hopes of Android making everything perfect then your bubble needs to be burst..
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Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.
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There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
Apple sold 1 Million phones in 2 days so people must like something about it. Personally if they upgraded the camera and some other things I would be dropping my kaiser in a second for it but I'll wait for the 3rd generation its going to be sick! Last note and I'll stop! Windows Mobile 7 is going to be a radical change for the kaiser and other Windows Mobile based phones so It may be worth it to hold on to your kaiser until that is released
Thanks for the replies fellas. I have been a very happy Symbian S60 user for about 1.5 years now. I bought a Tilt a few months back because i love to tinker, and the Tilt is the Closest competition to the N95, so of course i had to get it. My first and last WM phone though.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone.
I just hope there is interest in the Tilt still for someone to make an Android rom by the time it comes out.
All im going to say is that if it werent for XDA-DEV, i would have chucked it out of my window, because the factory HTC roms are for the birds.
Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.
I'd love my Tilt even more if the screen was just a little bit better about where i touch it... I do IT for a small company and there are 3 iphones, a lot of junk phones and my Tilt... Tilt does the most, iPhone is the easiest to use.
If you could buy a better screen for the Tilt, I'd throw down an extra $200 on it.
Back to the topic, I'd also recommend saving it, with stuff like this you will never get what it is worth from anyone and if nothing else, you have a tinker toy.
If you dont like kaiser and can afford, u might as well sell it off now. Its nearly an year since its release and that is the approximate life of a handset ( in terms of specification) .Futher down the year htc pro will be released, with better specs and that handset will be better suited for wm7 or android. Both these OS may not work great in kaiser. ( but for me kaiser has been the best handset ever ( thanks to this forum and hang.tuah)
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There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
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D'oh!...forgot Symbian phones.
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<snip>You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone. <snip>
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Well - obviously everyone sees something from a different perspective.
As a phone - the tilt is no better or worse than any other phone i have had. Remembering of course that cell signals have gotten better and more prevalent over time (I was an original Cellular One customer).
I do support for software so I need access to email on a pretty constant basis - I would have to get to the hotel immediately and check email - I would constantly have to have my laptop with me to check email to see if there were any problems brewing. I no longer have that "attchment" to the laptop. I have a freedom with this phone that I have never had before.
The fact that I can take it to the gym and listen to bluetooth headphones and get my music PLUS!
The fact that I can watch videos on the plane PLUS!
I can text and take and send pictures PLUS!
The fact that I no longer have to carry TOMTOM with me (the unit) when I am on the road and I ALWAYS have TOMTOM with me PLUS!
The fact that I can now whip out my phone and play a game when i am stuck for a few minutes and bored PLUS!
The fact that I can now find the local theater and see what is playing easily or the local Mexican restaurant PLUS!
The fact that I can get weather anywhere in the world easily PLUS!
The fact that I can get/add/change airline tickets easily PLUS!
The fact that I can add new programs to the phone easily PLUS!
So - from MY perspective - this is a drop dead incredible wonderful cannot do without it tool that makes my life better and more fun. It will only get replaced when there is something better available that does it truly better/faster/cheaper than my TILT.
From my vantage point,
Bill
Somehow, i really really doubt that... WM7 might use graphics a whole lot, and our phone doesnt have acceleration... We can just hope people can cook WM7 with drivers... Plus its still 6 months away, android is our best latest choice...
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Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.
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Thanks for the replies fellas.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
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Have to ask, if you have the better nokia phones, why not just link a N810 tablet to your phone via bluetooth ? They aren't bad little devices. Except they run a version of linux. But there are apps that let you do alot of what you need a PPC/Laptop for.
As many of you are probably aware, Windows Mobile 6.5 or as M$ calls it lately, Windows Phone 6.5 is only a stepping stone on the way to a real mobile OS designed for fingerfriendly devices.
WinMo 6.5 is actually in many terms only a "visual" upgrade of WinMo 6.1 which makes WinMo more fingerfriendly and makes it look more sexy but in the end, it's still Windows Mobile as we know it. (If you disagree just look at the calender application in 6.5 )
What Microsoft is preparing to fight Android, Blackberry OS 5.0 and iPhone OS is Windows Phone 7. Rumors have it that it will be designed from the ground up and will be designed from the beginning for the use on touchscreen devices, designed for input using nothing but your finger. Windows Phone 7 and 6.5 will be marketed parallel, meaning high-end devices will get Windows Phone 7 and lower-end devices will get the 6.5 version.
So what has it all to do with the Rhodium ROM forunm ?
Simple: Since the Rhodium is pretty much a (very)high-end device I am aware that many people will want to use Windows Phone 7 on it, once it is released. You may say: the relese of Windows Phone is due in 2010 and thats a long, long time from now, but most people buy phones to use them at least 2 years and the Touch Pro 2 being such a great device I can easily imagine sticking to it for even longer. (There arent many similiar phones at the time which offer the same build-quality, the same high-res screen or the great 5-row qwerty in one package, and I guess I am lucky if there is 1 new device like this on the market every year.)
But now to my question. Since those rumours say Windows Mobile 7 will be built from the ground-up, do you guys think it will be possible to get this working on the Rhodium ?
I know a lot of this will be speculation but I want to know your opinion.
If the kernel is completely new will it run on the Rhodium ? Will there be any1 even interested in 1-2 years porting this to the Rhodium ?? etc, etc
As I understand it's still a very long way of, Q4 2010, which means it could easily end up being Q2 2011 or something. Haven't seen any screen shots or really solid info. I'm better it will be quite some time before we see a TP2 rom based on WM7, or I guess WP7.
In true MS style (now don't get me wrong I'm an MS guy all the way, forget mac, forget linux, forget android, I only use win Mo, and win OS), I'm sure that when 7 drops you're gonna need snap dragon processor or better, just like when 6.5 finally droped most 6.1 mobiles could run it, but not very well. infact ngrz28 ROm on the tp2 is the first device/6.5 rom that it actaully ran smooth on.
back in the day, it use to be the The Software was tryin to keep up with the hardware, then it became the hardware trying to keep up with the the software (say crysis 2 ms os...etc).. But the truth is it will always be the software tryin to keep up with with the software, beacause the hardware companies, intel,TI,SYsop, only release the hardware that has been already developed , and moth balling, when the software has caught up enough... MS ain't **** without Intel, its a sysmbosis between the hardwae developers and the software developers, and a Conspiriousy. Long story short the release of a winmo 7 would me you have to upgrade your hardware, so lets worry about getting the most out of 6.5 and enjoying it
when i bought my tp2 last night the guy at the tmobile store said i can upgrade to windows 7 but i wont have my favs cuz tmobile doesnt support windows 7. JUST A FYI.
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As I understand it's still a very long way of, Q4 2010, which means it could easily end up being Q2 2011 or something. Haven't seen any screen shots or really solid info. I'm better it will be quite some time before we see a TP2 rom based on WM7, or I guess WP7.
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the people at T-mobile, will tell u anything.
check this example, I always just call Tmobile, tell the the phone I want and it goes on my account. I called for the TP2, and the guy said we have it can ship today, but if u go to a T-mo store they can break the payments up so I don't have to pay the full $400 something price on the next bill worse case secanario I'd have to pay the fist payment on in at the store., I said ok, let me check this out if nothing else I'll get the phone today. went to my local T-mobile store, guy said I had to pay 300 something today and and that I had had a 120 dollar credit, and that would be split over the next 4 bills. I said Peace and got my phone 2 days later no money outta pocket?
Windows Phone (Moible) 7 only runs on two processors - Snapdragon from Qualcomm and Terga from Nvidia.
In 7 there is a concept of a Chassis - A defined hardware specification which is consistant across all 7.x devices. This will allow MS to brings high end computing (read Xbox) to Moible devices.
http://www.engadget.com/tag/windows+mobile+7+chassis+1/
In Short... The only device which is public today and capable of running 7 is the Zune HD. No other hardware in market has the defined spec 7 needs.
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the people at T-mobile, will tell u anything.
check this example, I always just call Tmobile, tell the the phone I want and it goes on my account. I called for the TP2, and the guy said we have it can ship today, but if u go to a T-mo store they can break the payments up so I don't have to pay the full $400 something price on the next bill worse case secanario I'd have to pay the fist payment on in at the store., I said ok, let me check this out if nothing else I'll get the phone today. went to my local T-mobile store, guy said I had to pay 300 something today and and that I had had a 120 dollar credit, and that would be split over the next 4 bills. I said Peace and got my phone 2 days later no money outta pocket?
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I did the exact same thing on 8/12. I called a local store and they told me about the $120 credit and that I didn't have to pay out of pocket if I ordered it from the 800 number. So the guy put the order through for me and all i had to do was call t-mo and tell them to ship it. I asked them about the $120 credit and they told me that instead of paying the whole 400 it could be broken up. 270 something on next bill and 40 on the following 3 bills. I received the phone on 8/14 and still haven't started to pay the for phone yet.
i didnt care i just wanted a new phone i hated the dash3g. but i should of known he didnt know crap of what he was talking about cuz he tried to tell me about skyfire but instead said a different named LoL
I don't understand there end game, I'd rather have it put on my my next next bil via the phone order, cause I over paid this bill, and I'll pay the balance next bill, u don't get any advantage going to the store, At&t use to put everything on my bill, even assecories when I went to the store
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I did the exact same thing on 8/12. I called a local store and they told me about the $120 credit and that I didn't have to pay out of pocket if I ordered it from the 800 number. So the guy put the order through for me and all i had to do was call t-mo and tell them to ship it. I asked them about the $120 credit and they told me that instead of paying the whole 400 it could be broken up. 270 something on next bill and 40 on the following 3 bills. I received the phone on 8/14 and still haven't started to pay the for phone yet.
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i didnt care i just wanted a new phone i hated the dash3g. but i should of known he didnt know crap of what he was talking about cuz he tried to tell me about skyfire but instead said a different named LoL
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I agree, if I hadn't bought an unlocked a Fuze, I would have stood on my head to get what I wanted LOL.
No but seriously, I grabbed the G1 when T-mobile dopped it, hacked it, finally bricked it beta'ing for JF, sold it, and bought an older Glofiish to to have the Winmo back, but I'm use to having my hardware put on the account, a couple of days wait ain't gonna kill me
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Thanks for the shots, but it's pretty ugly! I guess I would have to see how it looks ON my Rhodium.
HeavyComponent said:
Thanks for the shots, but it's pretty ugly! I guess I would have to see how it looks ON my Rhodium.
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personally, I FREAKIN want wp7... get the touch phone what it was meant to be, touch, with winmo....
hey Heavy C, how do u like FutureROM? Thinking about trying it....
Thoughts?
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personally, I FREAKIN want wp7... get the touch phone what it was meant to be, touch, with winmo....
hey Heavy C, how do u like FutureROM? Thinking about trying it....
Thoughts?
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Sent you a PM...
I am not too much worried as i will probably be using Touch Pro 3 or 4 by then
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I am not too much worried as i will probably be using Touch Pro 3 or 4 by then
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hehe yea.. .
but anyway if they say WinMo Chassis is Tegra or Snapdragon, in 2010/2011 those will be pretty antique by then i guess...
I just got the TMo TP2 on a new 2 yr contract. I'll be sticking with it and 6.1/6.5 until I'm a free agent again. Then I'll be looking for a TP3 powered by the Snapdragon 2 and WinMo 7.5. Or maybe wait out a 3rd year for the TP4 and WinMo 8.
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By the time it is out, the TP2 will be old news at a guess.
Never the less I'm sure devs here will give it there best efforts to run it on as many devices as possible. Until we actually start seeing Win Mo 7 builds tip up, we arn't going to know.
P.S. I wouldn't take those screen shots as much, have you seen the number of changes to the 6.5 UI in the last month?
Thanks
Dave
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By the time it is out, the TP2 will be old news at a guess.
Never the less I'm sure devs here will give it there best efforts to run it on as many devices as possible. Until we actually start seeing Win Mo 7 builds tip up, we arn't going to know.
P.S. I wouldn't take those screen shots as much, have you seen the number of changes to the 6.5 UI in the last month?
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Dave
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Yes, and actually I just think theyre conceptual, made in Photoshop...(I'm a grafics artist myself and do things like that too..)
The shot with the Office in it looks like if a shot of Office on PC was taken and scaled down to fit into it...
aspect ratio just aint right...
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Yes, and actually I just think theyre conceptual, made in Photoshop...(I'm a grafics artist myself and do things like that too..)
The shot with the Office in it looks like if a shot of Office on PC was taken and scaled down to fit into it...
aspect ratio just aint right...
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Plus, if they're meant to be making it more finger friendly, that version of office definately does not look finger friendly to me... lol
http://www.androidspin.com/2010/03/12/android-2-1-for-htc-hero-now-due-in-april/
i'm a n00b to the Android scene and my question is: does this affect the ability to update cooked ROMs here or do people here just work off 2.1 from a different phone... and does that create more hurdles than if the ROM were 'made for Hero' i.e. any unique handset dependencies, etc?
I'm in this dichotomy stage right now where I've read upteen hundred interviews, reviews, posts, comparisons, etc. of HTC Hero and Samsung Moment, and still can't decide, but am leaning to the Hero because of the excellent development that goes on here and because of Sense, even though I'm really yearning for that snappier processor, AMOLED screen, etc., I can't justify it if development is lukewarm compared to here and it seems updated ROMs for Moment are sketchy at best, in terms of getting full functionality out of the handset.
What I don't get is this... you folks here (devs, enthusiasts, etc), are constantly building new roms, but are they derivative of cupcake, or eclair? More so, despite whatever Sprint and HTC do or don't do (as it seems HTC is more concerned w/ the rollout of Desire), can I still get my 2.1 Eclair fix here, albeit original Sense, and is it mostly bug free/usable as a day phone w/o losing any *features* that I would get from a Sprint Stock Cupcake Hero?
I have a half mind to wait for a Sprint Snapdragon but no telling when that will be plus I can get a Hero for $60 now w/ free activation, and a Moment for the missus for $20 more, also no activation. That's a hard deal to beat, imo. But I find it vexing that there might never be an official Eclair update for the Hero, more so the Moment if it's incumbent upon Samsung to deliver as they have a track record of abandoning phones upon delivery.
Thanks in advance a million times for your response!
I have to act quick if I'm to get this deal, but these decisions are killing me.
if you can wait, wait for the supersonic.
otherwise it is really a matter of preference. my brother has the moment. he loves it because of the keyboard. otherwise the processor may be snappier but i can't tell a difference...
he doesn't run any roms, nothing worthwhile out there. And I am running 2.1 already thanks to our great devs.
For me it's really a matter of cost and time. I really need new phones and the time it takes to get a healthy discount on a 2 yr contract could be months from now.
The Processor in the Moment would come in most handy (I would think) in future Android updates; flash if it hits; and certain apps, etc.
But if there's not pushed updates to Moment, then it's totally dependent on the community and i don't think it's as strong as here, or rather it's in a much earlier stage...
I see there are two forums but upon initial investigation, I don't see these ROMS viable as day phones, more for testing and development
http://www.samsungmomentforum.com/rooting/?PHPSESSID=8c9ead9a3ee984137fea7bf4b21ad46d
sdx-developers.com
In any case, I don't want to deviate too far into Moment in a predominantly HTC board, which brings me back to my initial questions regarding how update cycle/process works here. Wondering what base platform devs work from, and if anyone cares about the potential 'official' 2.1 update and whether or not that changes a thing here.
Thanks in advance.
maybe this will help....
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hakujin said:
http://www.androidspin.com/2010/03/12/android-2-1-for-htc-hero-now-due-in-april/
i'm a n00b to the Android scene and my question is: does this affect the ability to update cooked ROMs here or do people here just work off 2.1 from a different phone... and does that create more hurdles than if the ROM were 'made for Hero' i.e. any unique handset dependencies, etc?
I'm in this dichotomy stage right now where I've read upteen hundred interviews, reviews, posts, comparisons, etc. of HTC Hero and Samsung Moment, and still can't decide, but am leaning to the Hero because of the excellent development that goes on here and because of Sense, even though I'm really yearning for that snappier processor, AMOLED screen, etc., I can't justify it if development is lukewarm compared to here and it seems updated ROMs for Moment are sketchy at best, in terms of getting full functionality out of the handset.
What I don't get is this... you folks here (devs, enthusiasts, etc), are constantly building new roms, but are they derivative of cupcake, or eclair? More so, despite whatever Sprint and HTC do or don't do (as it seems HTC is more concerned w/ the rollout of Desire), can I still get my 2.1 Eclair fix here, albeit original Sense, and is it mostly bug free/usable as a day phone w/o losing any *features* that I would get from a Sprint Stock Cupcake Hero?
I have a half mind to wait for a Sprint Snapdragon but no telling when that will be plus I can get a Hero for $60 now w/ free activation, and a Moment for the missus for $20 more, also no activation. That's a hard deal to beat, imo. But I find it vexing that there might never be an official Eclair update for the Hero, more so the Moment if it's incumbent upon Samsung to deliver as they have a track record of abandoning phones upon delivery.
Thanks in advance a million times for your response!
I have to act quick if I'm to get this deal, but these decisions are killing me.
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Personally I hated the moment, felt like I was carrying an Abrams Tank in my pocket, and its kind of ugly. But the HUGE issue I had with it was battery life. Litterally only got about 5 hours of LIGHT use. and only about 12 hours IN STAND BY! We had two seperate moments with 4 batteries and the ALL did that. Not to mention the OS feels so heavy on it and it is vanilla as possible. Now given they are supposed to release a "Moment2" that has an ASTC TV Tunner built in, but really? Do you want to carry around an antena and watch OTA TV on a 3inch screen? Come on. Ok, So it has an AMOLED screen and the Hero doesn't...bfd the Resolution is the same, you just have more colors...again do I need to bring up the 3" screen? Your not watching High Def movies on this thing.
When typing the moment can't keep up when you use the on screen key board, you really have to use the hardware keyboard even for short texts.
Onto the Hero:
We have fully working 2.1 Roms now, given they are buggy. Most of these guys will have it figured out in a week or so for a fully functional less buggy than Sprints 2.1 ROM. Personally I am still running 1.5 just because I don't see anything that 2.1 brings me that I can't live with out. And Ill be damned if im using a password to get into my exchange email everytime.
Read the article. I saw two issues.
1 - is Sweden CDMA?
2 - the Swedish release doesn't have to impact ours (US).
But then what do I know.
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A member of Swedroid received a reply from HTC Sweden with another date! They state that the Android 2.1 is expected sometime in April but this release is not set in stone.
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Samsung has great hardware, but they've historically SUCKED at providing firmware upgrades, and are infamous for hacking proprietary, undocumented extensions onto ancient firmware... then refusing to tell anyone how it works. Ask anyone who ever owned one of their Sprint PalmOS phones (SPHi300, SPHi330, SPHi500). The end result (at least with their PalmOS phones) was a phone that couldn't run most new mainstream software (because they were at least a whole version behind), but developers couldn't even write apps that took advantage of the phones' native features because they were all undocumented and incompatible with Palm's own official way of doing it.
Put another way, don't even THINK about buying any Samsung Android phone that's not already rootable and shipping with 2.1, because community-built new releases are the only upgrades they're ever likely to see. The Moment will probably get 2.1 eventually due to pressure from Google, but I really think that will be the Samsung exception rather than its new future policy.
The Cupcake ROMs are very mature and good for essentially bug-free daily use.
The Eclair ROMs are just starting (I mean, the last 2-3 days) to get there. Both of the good ones (Flipz and Danger) are still a bit buggy. Danger appears to be, at the moment, the one farther along (I think Flipz is on vacation) and might just be good enough for daily use. Definitely not quite 100% though, as it's still a Verizon ROM and missing a couple of things like Visual Voicemail.
I came frfom a Moment, let me tell you to each his own. If you prefer a hardware keyboard, and better colors, get the moment.
If you don't mind the virtual keyboard and want to be able to flash 3-4 times a week from development community, get a hero.
The Moment currently ONLY has a cooked kernel to flash that was made by someone who started at samsungmomentforum.com and moved to sdx-developers.com.
With the CL14 kernel update the battery drain issue was solved, after putting on that update I would get a day and a half on my phone with light use, it has vanilla android with no extra interface options, which could be a plus or minus on which way you look at it.
I enjoyed my moment, but was left "wanting more", so I traded it for a TP2, which has a huge development community. The TP2 left me "wanting more" because it couldn't do the things that Android could, so I traded it for a Hero and now I am completely happy.
To each his own, sir..To each his own ;]
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way too be a ****
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way too be a ****
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Wow. I was going more for pointedly funny than dickish (you'll notice that I took the time to make sure that the results were relevant to his question, as 4 of the top 5 hits are recent 2.1 threads, most -if not all- of which have a description of what is and isn't working in the first post). If I was being dickish I would have just advised him to use the search function as some others are wont to do.
edit: Pardon. 4 of the top 6.
Wait for the Supersonic. Upgrade deals will come and go, that deal doesn't even sound that good to me.... your phone has made it this far, what's a few more months (hopefully... )
You will regret it if you don't once that phone comes out.
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Wow. I was going more for pointedly funny than dickish (you'll notice that I took the time to make sure that the results were relevant to his question, as 4 of the top 5 hits are recent 2.1 threads, most -if not all- of which have a description of what is and isn't working in the first post). If I was being dickish I would have just advised him to use the search function as some others are wont to do.
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Made me laugh... And was helpful! (thanks for making my day)
Go for the Hero.. you will love it!
I love the people that say "wait for the supersonic". They have NO idea when it's coming out. The thing could come out in April, or it could come out in December, or it could come out any month in the middle. There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
If you like the phone you have now and want something with a snapdragon processor, then you obviously have to wait. I honestly don't see what difference a faster processor is going to make when it comes to the overall use of the phone. The 2.1 ROM's that are out now are so insanely fast that a faster processor would be overkill for the general use. It would certainly help with some of the processor intensive apps/widgets, but for general functions, I really don't think it'd make a huge difference.
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There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
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That is my thought also. And frankly, my fervent prayer. I'm due for upgrade in December, and I'm hoping the Supersonic will be fully rooted and kickin' 3G butt by then, lol!
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I love the people that say "wait for the supersonic". They have NO idea when it's coming out. The thing could come out in April, or it could come out in December, or it could come out any month in the middle. There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
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Personally, I signed a new contract when I got my Hero's. So I am stuck for another 2 years or what ever the time period is for an upgrade. I will be drooling over a supersonic, but hopefully by the time mine comes around I'll be able to get one of the dual-core 1.5 ghz snapdragon phones. Hell, I may bite the bullet on one when they do drop one on Sprint instead of waiting. I think I'll skip the current phase of 1 ghz devices though.
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Personally, I signed a new contract when I got my Hero's. So I am stuck for another 2 years or what ever the time period is for an upgrade. I will be drooling over a supersonic, but hopefully by the time mine comes around I'll be able to get one of the dual-core 1.5 ghz snapdragon phones. Hell, I may bite the bullet on one when they do drop one on Sprint instead of waiting. I think I'll skip the current phase of 1 ghz devices though.
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you're not a premium customer (premier customer? I can't remember the specific term)? I thought like 90% of Hero owners ended up in that category, simply due to the price of the plan.
Guess I'm not entirely certain, being that I'm not on a contract, and am eligible for upgrades every year (or so I'm told by my girlfriend lol)
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you're not a premium customer (premier customer? I can't remember the specific term)? I thought like 90% of Hero owners ended up in that category, simply due to the price of the plan.
Guess I'm not entirely certain, being that I'm not on a contract, and am eligible for upgrades every year (or so I'm told by my girlfriend lol)
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Individual plan of 69.99 or more, family plan of 99.99 or more, or someone who has been a customer for 10 or more years.
So, yes..most hero owners should qualify for Sprint Premier, as long as your account is in good standing.
scriz said:
Individual plan of 69.99 or more, family plan of 99.99 or more, or someone who has been a customer for 10 or more years.
So, yes..most hero owners should qualify for Sprint Premier, as long as your account is in good standing.
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Yeah...see I didn't know that.
I'm on the 129.99 Unlimited plan x2 lines. I guess that qualifies me, assuming I don't drink all my money away and can't pay the bill.
I guess I will requalify around the begining of december. Good thing too, cell phones don't usually last me more than 7 months or so. They habitually end up in the toilet.
thank you so much folks! You have a been a world of help in final decision... I too feel the moment is too big, and realize samsung's lackluster handset support in updates over the years... i am definitely getting myself a hero.
funny that one or two of you mentioned battery life. I was reading a very verbose conversation on that on the moment board just yesterday between engineers but thought it was related to cooked roms. this concerns me now as wifey likes the hw keyboard of moment and she's also not a tweaker so cupcake/moment will do her just fine, even if eclair doesn't make it. She simply needs pictures, video, and mobile access to facebook for android and a decent browser as well as gmail, google calendar and such and she's golden; prettiness of gui is not a concern. But this battery problem is in the stock Sprint 1.5 Roms? She would not dig 5 hrs of battery life and I'd therefore have to waste the $35 fee in getting her over to another phone!
Say it ain't so! Does this affect all stock Moments if so?
Also... this Sprint Premier... is the reason for getting it similar to TEP i.e. upgrade options faster? What are the perks and is this a request i need to make?! More details please! I'm coming off 4 years of T-Mobile (although had sprint prior to), and am looking at the $129.99 Everything Messaging (unl. data, text, mms) - 25% monthly corp. discount so ~ $97/mo before taxes when all said and done. I would like to transfer asap as our phones are ancient; plan sucks @ 700 min (although very cheap at ~$52 before taxes/fees after discount); 2 years of contract doesn't bother me so much, but if I see the potential which happens from time to time (ETF change recently) I'll jump at breach of contract and void my contract. However, I don't mind not having a snapdragon at all. It's more important to get TX numbers (for discount and lower taxes/fees) before moving west. Frankly, I've been putting of the upgrade for far too long, invariably waiting for something better, or that next great thing. I was going to go HTC TP2 because of the excellent support from this community in the past, but w/ the announcement of win 7 and tegra and the cost of the tp2 i changed my mind.
Thanks!
I have done all my research on the new HD7. I currently have the HD2 and love what WM7 lacks right now. Such as cut and paste and tethering. I use those all the time! But, I HATE my HD2. It freezes like crazy, always lagging, I have to soft reset 1-2 times a day. So I"m ready to upgrade to WM7. I've owned an Android before, g1, and loved it, but I like WM a bit more. I started to look at the MyTouch4g, but I keep getting pulled ot the HD7. So my dilema ow is, should I upgrade to the HD7 from my HD2. Is the current WinMo7 worth it? Has anyone has a change to play around with the new system. I've read so many good, and some "ok" and many just an HD2 with a new outfit.
I also know it's a personal choice by far. But what are YOUR opinions. What do you like/dislike compared to others.
I have to say I'm loving mine and think it's a good thing (in a funny way) that there are features missing. We get to look forward to updates to a system that has really great foundations.
Having said that there is a bit of a danger in thinking that every missing feature and every imaginable improvement will make it into imminent updates. MS are in this for the long haul and some improvements won't materialise over the lifetime of the initial batch of phones.
Copy/paste will be coming soon but we just don't know other features. We can just hope. So, if you can't live without tethering it might be worth waiting until early next year to see if news emerges on a timescale.
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I have done all my research on the new HD7. I currently have the HD2 and love what WM7 lacks right now. Such as cut and paste and tethering. I use those all the time! But, I HATE my HD2. It freezes like crazy, always lagging, I have to soft reset 1-2 times a day. So I"m ready to upgrade to WM7. I've owned an Android before, g1, and loved it, but I like WM a bit more. I started to look at the MyTouch4g, but I keep getting pulled ot the HD7. So my dilema ow is, should I upgrade to the HD7 from my HD2. Is the current WinMo7 worth it? Has anyone has a change to play around with the new system. I've read so many good, and some "ok" and many just an HD2 with a new outfit.
I also know it's a personal choice by far. But what are YOUR opinions. What do you like/dislike compared to others.
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I still have my i637 jack. I suggest you wait like me, We got to atleast see if Microsoft is gonna even mention addressing the other issues besides the ones they say they will fix in early 2011. Although im personally seeing are they gonna stay true to their words by listening to their supporters.
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I have done all my research on the new HD7. I currently have the HD2 and love what WM7 lacks right now. Such as cut and paste and tethering. I use those all the time! But, I HATE my HD2. It freezes like crazy, always lagging, I have to soft reset 1-2 times a day. So I"m ready to upgrade to WM7. I've owned an Android before, g1, and loved it, but I like WM a bit more. I started to look at the MyTouch4g, but I keep getting pulled ot the HD7. So my dilema ow is, should I upgrade to the HD7 from my HD2. Is the current WinMo7 worth it? Has anyone has a change to play around with the new system. I've read so many good, and some "ok" and many just an HD2 with a new outfit.
I also know it's a personal choice by far. But what are YOUR opinions. What do you like/dislike compared to others.
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You have 14 days with T-Mobile to return the phone and get a new one or reverse your upgrade if you choose to. You pretty much have nothing to lose. Rather than asking everyone else what they think, the best thing to do is always to just get the phone yourself, try it out and see if you like it.
That being said, the HD2 ran an unfortunately unfriendly and antiquated operating system that was not designed for nor optimized for the HD2. Even HTC's Sense could not save it. Sad because its still a top-notch phone hardware wise. Which is why Windows Phone 7 was built from the ground up and optimized for hardware matching the HD2 and beyond. If you've seen any videos online, you should notice how dramatically smoother and seamless the whole experience is.
When people talk about about how the HD7 is just an HD2 in a new outfit, that is totally correct. It is the HD2 essentially, hardware wise. But the outfit is just as important as the hardware, and Windows Phone 7 is not Windows Mobile 6.5, not by a long shot.
Try out the phone, if it turns out that its not for you, then please take advantage of the return policy and try out a different phone. That's the only way you'll really get a real opinion.
I will be jumping ship on November 8 over to the HD7 and T-Mobile. The Evo, as awesome a hardware as it is, simply does not have the 'outfit' to match it. Windows Phone 7 provides the polish, features, and speed that I need, and I can't wait.
I'm going to get the HD7 on Nov 8th as well. I've used Android since the G1 and ave had just about every Android phone T-Mo offers (except the Behold 2). Right now I have the myTouch 4G, and while it is an awesome phone, it's not doing it for me. I really like how WP7 looks. I also have a Zune HD, and I like the software on it, and WP7 is very similar.
If you are prepared to wait for the new OS to mature and for "jailbreaks and hacks" to become available then go for it. If you want to be abe to tweak from day 1 and have every possible feature that is out there then stay with 6.5 or go for android. I have a horrible feeling these forums are going to fill up with people moaning about lack of this that or the other feature. I myself like the interface so much that I want to be part of the WP7 thing from day 1 hence I have my HD7 already and am lovin it warts an all!!
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You have 14 days with T-Mobile to return the phone and get a new one or reverse your upgrade if you choose to. You pretty much have nothing to lose. Rather than asking everyone else what they think, the best thing to do is always to just get the phone yourself, try it out and see if you like it.
That being said, the HD2 ran an unfortunately unfriendly and antiquated operating system that was not designed for nor optimized for the HD2. Even HTC's Sense could not save it. Sad because its still a top-notch phone hardware wise. Which is why Windows Phone 7 was built from the ground up and optimized for hardware matching the HD2 and beyond. If you've seen any videos online, you should notice how dramatically smoother and seamless the whole experience is.
When people talk about about how the HD7 is just an HD2 in a new outfit, that is totally correct. It is the HD2 essentially, hardware wise. But the outfit is just as important as the hardware, and Windows Phone 7 is not Windows Mobile 6.5, not by a long shot.
Try out the phone, if it turns out that its not for you, then please take advantage of the return policy and try out a different phone. That's the only way you'll really get a real opinion.
I will be jumping ship on November 8 over to the HD7 and T-Mobile. The Evo, as awesome a hardware as it is, simply does not have the 'outfit' to match it. Windows Phone 7 provides the polish, features, and speed that I need, and I can't wait.
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Kind of what he said. Buy it and see. I'm getting it because I want to be part of the new revolution of Winmo. And honestly, have found myself not to concerned about what it's lacking as hell, it still the basic things you expect in a smartphone and I'm willing to give up some the apps I've used on Winmo and Android ports to the HD2. Most of them are just because I wanted to do something and not really needed. But with a browser, slingplayer coming soon, office, phone calls, text, and Slacker for streaming radio. That pretty much rounds up the stuff that I use on a regular basis (oh just need a golfgps app) and that's it. But, I'm planning on keeping my HD2, juuust in case there is something I need. My advice, jump into and see what you think and try not to think about the very minor things you'll be missing. You might actually find that you start finding more time for real life as opposed to your virtual phone life that's wasted from having billions of apps to check. I know I will and I'm looking forward to it!
That's everyone for your opinions. I am usually one to get the new "it" thing as soon as it comes out, usually the day it comes out (well only phones) But not so much when a new phone comes out, just the next biggest thing. In this case, WinMo7. I've owned 3 Win Mo phones (SDA, Dash and HD2) Android (G1) and iPhone along with all the other basics before the SDA, and I can surely say, I like WinMo the best. I do like to completely customize my phones. I found WinMo to have the best broad range to do this. I'm not one to load my phone with apps, except to customize, which is why I don't mind the almost nothing there marketplace for WinMo.
I will probably be one of the ones jumping on the bandwagon and getting the HD7 on Monday as well. I do like their return policy, but don't like their $10-$20 restocking fee that you have if you return it. I'm sure I will end up liking the HD7. For the most part I have a love/hate relationship with my HD2. I think what I hate is WinMo6.5 because after customizing it was perfect for me. I'm sure over time the developers here will come up with ways to customize the HD7. I think I can wait. Plus, I would get the "new phone" feeling with HD7, vs getting an android which seems to never change it's basics.
Also, how is everyone getting their phones?
I'm thinking about getting it at WalMart since their price is $150 with a new 2 yr contract, (have to verify if an upgrade counts)
T-Mobile's is $250 with a 2 yr contract with a $50 mail in rebate (which I always seem to forget to mail out on time!)
Do Not Buy A W7 phone
I have had an HTC HD 2 phone from when they came out and a week ago bought an HTC HD7 WHAT A MISTAKE I have put it in the bin. Any one that says it is better than (shudder to think an iphone) is not in the real world,
No File transfer using Pc You have to use Skydrive long winded.
very basic functions and its display looks s***t
Best advice is go into a phone shop and have a play but be aware that what you see is all you get!.
I am 52 years old and have been involved and used computers from being about 25, and have found windows has always been the best platform and have hated Apple for there lack of user input it has always been thats what you get like it or lump it, but I will certanly be buying an apple or android in the next 2 weeks.
So microsoft stuff it!
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I have had an HTC HD 2 phone from when they came out and a week ago bought an HTC HD7 WHAT A MISTAKE I have put it in the bin. Any one that says it is better than (shudder to think an iphone) is not in the real world,
No File transfer using Pc You have to use Skydrive long winded.
very basic functions and its display looks s***t
Best advice is go into a phone shop and have a play but be aware that what you see is all you get!.
I am 52 years old and have been involved and used computers from being about 25, and have found windows has always been the best platform and have hated Apple for there lack of user input it has always been thats what you get like it or lump it, but I will certanly be buying an apple or android in the next 2 weeks.
So microsoft stuff it!
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Are you saying you don't like it?
J9HOB said:
I have had an HTC HD 2 phone from when they came out and a week ago bought an HTC HD7 WHAT A MISTAKE I have put it in the bin. Any one that says it is better than (shudder to think an iphone) is not in the real world,
No File transfer using Pc You have to use Skydrive long winded.
very basic functions and its display looks s***t
Best advice is go into a phone shop and have a play but be aware that what you see is all you get!.
I am 52 years old and have been involved and used computers from being about 25, and have found windows has always been the best platform and have hated Apple for there lack of user input it has always been thats what you get like it or lump it, but I will certanly be buying an apple or android in the next 2 weeks.
So microsoft stuff it!
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You write and complain like a child. So I am going out on limb and say that you are not 52 years old and you haven't handled one yet. Since the screen resolution is exactly the same as HD2 and from what I have read it has the S-LCD so its even better. You are the first that I have seen to complain about the screen especially since you are an HD2 user. I guess you have the special HD2 screen no one else has.
I also doubt if you have been in and around computer for 25 years. Your complaint about Apple leads me to believe you are not being honest. Are you complaining about your HD2? You fail to mention that. You don't like Apple and believe that MS is the best platform yet you are moving away from WM6.5 and WP7 and getting an IPHONE or ANDROID?
So in conclusion you tried out an HD7(alleged) and thought the SAME EXACT SCREEN AS YOUR HD2 was crap? The WP7 OS and the Screen was so horrible that you went into a trance like state fueled by your anger towards MS that you decided to tell MS to stuff the SOLE PLATFORM you have been using for the past 25 years? Then you just tucked it away into a BIN instead of returning the phone because you could no longer stand to touch or have it in your sight.
Ahh that makes SENSE!
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You write and complain like a child. So I am going out on limb and say that you are not 52 years old and you haven't handled one yet. Since the screen resolution is exactly the same as HD2 and from what I have read it has the S-LCD so its even better. You are the first that I have seen to complain about the screen especially since you are an HD2 user. I guess you have the special HD2 screen no one else has.
I also doubt if you have been in and around computer for 25 years. Your complaint about Apple leads me to believe you are not being honest. Are you complaining about your HD2? You fail to mention that. You don't like Apple and believe that MS is the best platform yet you are moving away from WM6.5 and WP7 and getting an IPHONE or ANDROID?
So in conclusion you tried out an HD7(alleged) and thought the SAME EXACT SCREEN AS YOUR HD2 was crap? The WP7 OS and the Screen was so horrible that you went into a trance like state fueled by your anger towards MS that you decided to tell MS to stuff the SOLE PLATFORM you have been using for the past 25 years? Then you just tucked it away into a BIN instead of returning the phone because you could no longer stand to touch or have it in your sight.
Ahh that makes SENSE!
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I think you have this guy nailed.
I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.
I'm not sure why they don't update things faster either. I guess it's just that a new version of android would confuse the majority of users. idk
Why would android OEMs want to upgrade their old devices? They get their money from selling more phones, if your g1 was officially kicking ICS, why would you want to upgrade? It's sales strategy. If you want updates, go to pretty much any other OS.
z33dev33l said:
Why would android OEMs want to upgrade their old devices? They get their money from selling more phones, if your g1 was officially kicking ICS, why would you want to upgrade? It's sales strategy.
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This is partly true, this rest is garbage.
Another thing is, people who want upgraded OSs are in the minority. So it just doesn't make since to put resources into stuff people don't care about.
A lot of my friends are still on IOS4.
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Are there any programs that will only work on ICS that you absolutely must have?
There's none in my case.
My phone works great, so why do I need the OS updated to the latest?
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Are there any programs that will only work on ICS that you absolutely must have?
There's none in my case.
My phone works great, so why do I need the OS updated to the latest?
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99% of the time I'd agree with that, but I'm fastidious when it comes to having organised bookmarks. I use Chrome at home and at work and have bookmark syncing enabled. I've used ChromeMarks to access my Chrome bookmarks on my phone, but I've always wanted it to be part of the browser.
Enter, Google Chrome for Android. It does the bookmark syncing.
I literally have ICS on my S2 for that 1 reason. Even with a few bugs and lags every now and then (it's still beta, after all).
I find the people not wanting updates comment as b.s. As for them not wanting to update to sell new phones, I agree with that, but as a consumer it gets tiring having every penny milked from you in one way or another. I buy a new phone outright every year, I have an evo3d, so comparing its update to something like a g1 is ridiculous at best.
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^ as stated you're the minority. The majority don't buy phones for updates. Hell most don't know what OS their phone has.
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if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
bacnat86 said:
if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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Correcto, thats why carriers love Android so much.
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I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.
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because the programmers get paid for it so they have no hurry. the dev community wants to use it so they put alot of hours and concentration into and get it out. I feel your pain man
This.
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if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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This is the most common candidate for being the main reason. Why make people content with the last Big Thing when you can instead beef up and get them hyped for the next Big Thing?
But then why schedule the Ice Cream upgrade for the SGII just before the SGIII comes out? Beats me. Maybe companies are just schizophrenic. Maybe it's a genius plan to make people fume into wanting the SGIII (people tend not to to change their minds once they've made it up) while ensuring the people who can't afford it still remain happy after six months. Maybe it's just a publicity issue (Samsung needs the positive publicity of coming out with ICS, so they'll eventually need to follow through, but not until the very last moment). Any explanation seems likely to me at this point.
This is why it's generally best to buy a future-proof phone. With the Nexus, for example, you'll be able to get indefinite upgrades from google (even if you have to go through a few hoops). The easier something is to unlock (and I suppose: the more popular it is so that more devs are working on it), the more likely you'll be able to keep your phone upgraded yourself, even if you'll have to go through a few hoops to do so. You can't rely on your manufacturer*, and you definitely can't rely on your carrier to have your best upgrade interests in mind.
Of course, if you get a new phone every year (or even every two years), this isn't so much of an issue for you. Most people probably do this (indeed, the very system encourages them to do this), and so there's little incentive to actually change the system.
*This is supposedly where Apple excels, but at what cost..
I can answer that....
You see, all the armchair programmers have a disclaimer that says "We are not responsible if we break your phone..It may, or may not work as expected and if it blows up your phone it's not our fault"
A huge corporation like Motorola/HTC/Samsung/LG/Nokia/etc have millions of users worldwide with a large set of carriers that all want to tweak the user experience to what that particular carrier wants to standardize on. The phone manufacturer may build what they think is a perfectly reasonable piece of software (ALL software has bugs by the way) only to have it kicked back by the internal quality assurance team because it fails a particular test case. And when you have several dozen/hundred developers working on software it's a coordinated effort to meet internal timelines and goals. And if it passes the internal testing it has to be tested by the carriers who can reject the software build due to bugs/user experience/last minute enhancements which triggers the whole cycle all over again.
Smaller development teams where it's a few people working on code do not have as much overhead and probably don't have as much internal testing processes for all possible corner cases as a huge company does so they can coordinate and release a build much quicker.
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I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.
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As said above, the biggest issues are that Devs here and elsewhere have no responsibilities if the upgrades fail, and secondly, there are a ridiculous number of devices being released. There are about 100 android devices available as current phones, and I don't know how many total. Rather difficult to keep so many up to date. It would be nice if they would scale back how many products are out at once, but manufacturers don't seem to get that yet.
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I can answer that....
You see, all the armchair programmers have a disclaimer that says "We are not responsible if we break your phone..It may, or may not work as expected and if it blows up your phone it's not our fault"
A huge corporation like Motorola/HTC/Samsung/LG/Nokia/etc have millions of users worldwide with a large set of carriers that all want to tweak the user experience to what that particular carrier wants to standardize on. The phone manufacturer may build what they think is a perfectly reasonable piece of software (ALL software has bugs by the way) only to have it kicked back by the internal quality assurance team because it fails a particular test case. And when you have several dozen/hundred developers working on software it's a coordinated effort to meet internal timelines and goals. And if it passes the internal testing it has to be tested by the carriers who can reject the software build due to bugs/user experience/last minute enhancements which triggers the whole cycle all over again.
Smaller development teams where it's a few people working on code do not have as much overhead and probably don't have as much internal testing processes for all possible corner cases as a huge company does so they can coordinate and release a build much quicker.
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I just dont agree with that, after being with the palm pre from its launch, through all the manual hacks we had to implement before preware, then finally recieving an update months later that couldn't compete with the unofficial code from the guys over at precentral. There is a problem there. I understand there is alot of red tape involved with official releases, but even given that, the time frames are still ridiculous to the point that there is nothing reasonable about it. As awesome as the pre was it was missing basic functions, functions that were there in the code, perhaps they wanted to follow apples model of screwing the customer into the next model, idk. The fact of the matter is, there is no reason why htc or acer or samsung, despite touchwiz and sense and cant push out a nice update in a timely manner, none.
bacnat86 said:
if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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In the UK where contracts (compared with what I've seen in other countries) are actually pretty good value, you get a new phone for free or not very much every time you renew your contract.
After even a year, there are much better phones out there, the phone you have may be a bit scuffed around the corners, battery will be down on capacity.
So most people upgrade when they get a new contract anyway.
It kills me when i read about the supposedly new "jelly bean" that's supposed to be coming out within the year. Seriously? get ICS out on more phones before you even THINK about releasing another update. Who knows the actual reason behind the delays for these updates but someone needs to get on it. When some of the newest phones out right now still don't have ICS or won't for awhile, there's something wrong.
The obvious plan is to push people to buy the newer quad core phones, more contracts, more money, not to mention if there's a premium because they're "quad core" just like then 4G first came out.
the majority of people buy what their salesman makes look good. some chick at the t-mobile store i was in bought some old phone cuz it was a few bucks cheaper than a new phone, which is like twice as fast and will have support at least 6 months longer than the other..
Shano56 said:
the majority of people buy what their salesman makes look good. some chick at the t-mobile store i was in bought some old phone cuz it was a few bucks cheaper than a new phone, which is like twice as fast and will have support at least 6 months longer than the other..
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This is true. A while back when I was trying to buy my first smartphone I ended up buying an original Droid just because of the salesman telling me about buy one get one offer, after reading about them, I had found out that this phone was so outdated, luckily I had found out before my 30 days.
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