Influence of cooked rom on memory - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development

I have read a lot of info about memory, but somehow i don't seem to grasp the whole concept.
Here is what i understand so far about the internal memory.
part of it is Ram (wm calls is program memory)and the other part is rom (storage memory). Since i have an tp2 I am suppose to have the following Memory ROM: 512 MB RAM: 288 MB. I understand that part of the rom memory is taken bij processes and memory reservation. 1) My question is is the size of the custom cooked rom take from my rom ram or any other place (I mean if i have a bigger rom flashed, will it eat from my rom. or ram or neither? 2) my second question is if i stuff my rom with programs or files will it slow down the performance of my phone?(put in a different form should i install as much programs as possible in my internal memory or should i keep some space free?)
3) does anyone know the read/write speed of my rom memory. since i have a very fast microsd card (sandisk 8gb class 4) I was wondering if it might be close to the same speed or not?
4) if i have a cooked rom with sense, but sense is not running will it still take more program memory?
5) I remember a post that showed how to sync with my micro sd card (my documents of pc and wm) but i can't seem to find it anyone?
thanks in advance!

-some short answers, RAM is where running programs and their data is loaded/stored/executed - so only running programs use it.
Class 4 is very acceptable to exec programs from, I'll try Class6 shortly, never did compare to iunternal memory, but the bottom line is that it's OK to run programs from SDHC.
-remember SDHC gets unmounted if you choose to connect over USB as "disk drive"

Thanks Alcapone,
I have tested a class6 and some class 4 or trenscend, but my sandisk class 4 was much quicker, so i would love to see a class 6 from sandisk but others i would prefer my sandisk class 4.
Let me refrase my questions.
If i flash a lite rom, or a fully stocked rom wil it take away from my availible ram or rom or neither? (not talking about running programs just installed)
And about the post i can't find, if i remember correctly i should be able to active sync, but instead of my documents going to main memory, they would go to my documents on the memory card.
thanks for the quick reply.

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Touch-IT wing 2.3 - Moving the Pre-Installed Programs to a MicroSD

Hey. I'm using the Touch-IT wing 2.3 ROM. I love it, but it doesn't leave much free space on the system hard drive. Is there a way to move some of the extra programs that come with the ROM to be moved to my 2GB MicroSD card? Or tweak the ROM so it installs these applications on the storage card?
Thanks.
The best way is: at first install, when you see your Today Screen, it will install all the programs after 3 seconds, do a softreset before it begins to install them and then install your programs yhourself and then you have the option to choose where you can install them, main memory, storage card...
The preinstall apps are stored in the OS ROM so they cannot be moved or deleted short of making your own ROM. Heralds lack the ability to BigStorage. This means that no matter how much you take out, your storage space will always be the same size. (Or at least that what I've been lead to believe...)
But yea, like he said, stop the ExtROM launch.
With Wizcode PocketMechanic, you can move installations... so this may something close to what you may be trying to do.
I moved all the Tmobile crap and everything else over to storage card and I haven't had any problems yet.

rom&ram size

i look in the specification of kaiser in htc site, and it shows 256 rom and 128 ram.
when i look in my memory section at my device i saw
storag 153m and program 101mb
can anybody tell me what is missing, im using the originall rom.
am l anderstaning it wrong or there's another reason
The devices OS and applications take up the space not listed in this case 103 and 27 MB, respectively. The missing space is being occupied or used by the installed OS and applications. The space you see is what is left and available for you to use. If you were to erase everything and look at the space then you would see truer values (not that you can).
So whats the difference between ROM memory and RAM memory?
When I install a program on my device (not storage card), am I utilizing space from ROM or RAM?
And is storage ROM or RAM and program is ROM or RAM?
Thanks
Assuming the same terms appy with my TyTN II as with full sized PCs, ROM = Read Only Memory and RAM = Random Access Memory. ROM is Non-Volatile (ie data is not lost when the power is switched off) where as RAM is volatile (why you get a message saying data may be lost if you continue to run down your battery when it's very low. ROM is generally (much) slower for read and write speed than RAM (hence why RAM is used).
In the case of the TyTN II ROM is what is known as flash memory (because it can be overwritten using a process called flashing). It can also be written to in more general use such as when installing programs so I prefer the term Flash rather than ROM because it's not strictly read only in this case.
When the programs are installed into main memory (rather than a card) they will be stored on ROM (so it's not lost when the power is removed) but will be in RAM as well when the PPCs CPU is working with the program.
If the OP nndd12 looks in Start =>Settings => System tab => Device Information => Hardware Tab the RAM and ROM details are in there but the ROM is termed Flash.

transfer programms from ram to sdcard

hello,
first: very good page, with a lot of infos and bombastic apps.
but i'm a newbie, i read a lot, but couldn't find a post recommend to my question. also my english isnt very good
my problem: i bought my herald without a memory card. so i installed the apps i found&liked (touchflo,flashlite,kaiserhomeplugin,htc cube clone;total commander;google maps,scitebackup) in the ram of my ppc.
but today i bought a micro sd card. now i would like to move my apps to the card.
questions: can i cut&paste the apps in the folder "programms" to a folder in my card, with the total commender. or isnt this allowed because of the registry or something like that? maybe problem with the .ink files?!
is it better to uninstall all programms. and install them new,this time directly to the sdcard?
thanks for your helps
greetings...
you can try copy paste
just like on pc's some will run others will not
though mind you things like today items and other always
running programs should not be put on the sd card
as they are much slower then storage
thank u
My SD card runs them as fast as the main memory, but I wouldn't install things that are running all the time in it. So, don't install things like the cube on the card. You should uninstall and reinstall the programs into the proper memory storage. It's easier and less problematic that way.
You can move installed programs between MAIN or SD memory using POCKET MECHANIC (http://www.wizcode.com/)
I moved all the tmobile crap (hotspot login, tzones wap, etc..) and anything else I don't want to get rid of, but I never use onto my SD card.
How will we have to wait for a 10 or 12 gb Micro SD Card

Adjust Ram vs Program Memory?

Is it possible to adjust your program memory using the device memory, like on wm2003?
Nope
That feature is not available with WM 5 and up
That adjustment was there because file storage was done in RAM, and the slider would let you choose how much of that RAM to allocate to storage and running programs. Since WM5, storage is done in the Flash memory, so all the RAM is always dedicated to running programs. No point for it then.
alright thank you!
I'll just wait for a different rom with more program memory then.
program mem is static one cant add more by rom other then
move ram from pagepool to app memory
and doing that kill application io performance
pagepool was interduced when flash storage was
to counter the issue that flash storage was much much slower
then old sd ram storage

Some Clarifications About Memory

Hello,
I would like someone to clarify to me some things about the device memory. My current mem readings as shown in the Control Panel are:
- Storage: 299.01 MB (210.27MB free)
- Program: 183.73 MB (72.87 free)
According to the official specs, the Topaz has 512 MB ROM and 256 MB RAM. How are these two types of memory related to Storage and Programs? Is there a way to mess between RAM, ROM, Storage and Programs in order to achieve optimum memory usage? For example, in my device there seems to be a lot of free Storage Mem available, as compared to Program Mem... Should I need to do something about this big discrepancy?
I would be grateful if someone clarified all this to me.
To be very short:
ROM (Read Only Memory) is where bootloader and Windows resides:Beside this there is more room to install applications (Programs) and to store personal files such as pictures,videos,mp3,docs etc.(Storage). ROM is non-volatile memory, this means that data will remain in the device even if power is cut off and will be available the next restart.RAM (Random Access Memory) is volatile memory that your device needs for ordinary functioning (loads into it programs that are running).RAM wil be emptied if powered off. It does not have sense to compare these two values and try to make them similar. An advice would be to install and store all you can in the Memory Card.Note: some apps/cabs need necessarily to be installed in the device (Programs memory) otherwise they don't work.Note 2: Access timings to memory cards are higher than internal ROM, take it in consideration if you have to decide where to store/install.
...Well I wasn't so short..I'll try it again:
If someone asked me:""why do I have so little free Program memory compared to Storage memory?"
I'd answer:"It's beause of many useless Microsoft programs embedded into Windows that cannot be uninstalled, only cooks can do it"
Thanks a lot for the (not so short after all! ) reply! So, if I get it correctly, the so called Storage Memory is the ROM after all: In other words, these 210 MB that are free cannot be utilized by me in any way, unless of course, I switch to a cooked ROM that contains lots of programs that currently occupy my RAM, and which they will not be needed to be installed there any more.... However, I am not in the mood of flashing and setting everything up from scratch, right now....
The storage card is indeed a solution, yet it has the two limitations that you correctly mentioned... So, I will basically have to stick with the RAM that is left...
In the same order as your arguments:
-Those 210 MB CAN be used by you, by installing apps in it, but I adviced you to possibly install them in Memory Card unless inevitable.
-Cooked ROMs generally free up Programs Memory area (or maintain same memory and upgrade embedded apps).
-Storage card is simply VITAL,access timings and transfer speeds are good enough to support everyday use.
-Then you talk about RAM: You "have to stick to RAM that is left" as anybody,but RAM usage is variable, depending on how much intensive is your device work in runtime. To optimize RAM memory use CleanRam, you can do it manually or schedule it (like I do)...and of course don't run too many apps at the time (check Task manager)!!
jcan said:
Hello,
I would like someone to clarify to me some things about the device memory. My current mem readings as shown in the Control Panel are:
- Storage: 299.01 MB (210.27MB free)
- Program: 183.73 MB (72.87 free)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was talking about these 210 MB, which are reported as free in my Storage memory, which if I understood well is the ROM... So I can't use them to install apps in it.
On the other hand, the Program memory (which I have 73 MB free) is the RAM, right?
Or I've got it all wrong?
210 MB is part of the ROM and it is free space in which you can store personal files (mp3,pictures,videos,contacts,docs etc.)--->same as Memory Card but smaller and quicker.The free memory in which you can install programs is in your case 72.87MB and is still part of the ROM(I want to better check this last statement,update coming soon).
RAM is another memory module,physically separated from ROM,it's another chip. RAM values vary with the device workload.
Update: I confirm,to simplify we can say that both Storage and Programs memory is part of the ROM, in no ways it can be considered as being RAM.
Thanks a lot for all the clarifications, sualc! Now everything has been sorted out to me.
You're welcome,cheers

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