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OK, now that Apple has announced what's going to be in the next iPhone firmware (copy-paste, universal search, push notifications, etc), what more does the iPhone need until it's a viable platform for the most die-hard here to abandon WinMo? Software issues only of course, no "keyboard" response.
It still can't multitask which I think is wack.. they say it drains the battery too hard (that kind of hardware issue is acceptable for discussion).
I'm already hooked and can't wait to get rid of my Hermes. I will miss internet sharing for "free" though
If i had to change WM to OSX, it would need to have :
- Mass storage driver
- Using the phone without ever installing itunes (yes i'm on linux)
- Installing apps without appstore (same as above)
- Multitasking because i like to listen to a webradio while using my GPS
- IGo 2008
- Flash support
- Skyfire-like browser
- Outlook support (not exchange)
- MS Voice command (not cyberon or other 'must record everything before use' program)
- WMWifirouter 1.25 (because i use it as a wifi card for my laptop)
- Custom rom enabled (because i like to change often)
- external mouse / keyboard support
- rotation in every screen including home, because when my mobile car holder is in landscape, i want every app to be in landscape as well
- msn messenger (not another multi client app)
- galarm (because it is the best alarm clock program i have ever used)
- video recording
- tcpmp-like player (note that i don't know every iphone app available)
- better today screen like touchflo
That's pretty much what i use everyday and my kaiser does that perfectly.
TrYde said:
If i had to change WM to OSX, it would need to have :
- Outlook support (not exchange)
- external mouse / keyboard support
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I need FULL Outlook intergration also, like Business Contact Manager...along with OneNote. Also not having a user removeable battery and memory card is a deal breaker for me. I found the iPhoney drains the battery just as fast as WinMo phone.
The abillity to run the phone from my desktop wth something like My Moblier is really handy.
GWelker62 said:
I need FULL Outlook intergration also, like Business Contact Manager...along with OneNote. Also not having a user removeable battery and memory card is a deal breaker for me. I found the iPhoney drains the battery just as fast as WinMo phone.
The abillity to run the phone from my desktop wth something like My Moblier is really handy.
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I didn't go into hardware stuff, otherwise i could add a lot more, like lack of buttons, lack of physical keyboard, resistive screen instead of capacitive, a real camera with flash....
The thing i love with this kind och apple presentations is the audience. When they in example presented the MMS function, there was big applauds.. like it was the first time we saw MMS function in a phone. And then copy-paste function and big applauds breaks out, again, "its fantastic,wow" (i think apple was first to implement this function in a phone... or not!?).
Yes, iphone is nice,smooth,fast. And i still think its not the phone that makes the iphone. Its the developers 3rd party that make its nice. I need my phone in my work, and need functionality that works smooth with win xp/outlook.
I wish microsoft takes a look at the custom rom's that is on the market, MS could maybe get some great ideas from them. And one other thing, let us use the apps in landscape mode, i think the 3rd party rotation app works 50%. Give us something new, something with speed.
/Mike,Stockholm
HTC Touch HD
I haven't completely abandoned WinMo because I love gadgets and variety, but I have abandoned it as my primary phone. I switched to the iPhone as my primary over a year ago. Everything iPhone can do, it does it faster and easier than WinMo phones do. Anything it can't do, I don't really use. Using a WinMo phone feels so much more clunky than the iPhone. For instance, I was using my Touch Diamond the other night. Opera works much better than PIE, but it was still slow, annoying, dragging, and at times with greatly delayed reaction to my touch. The iPhone Safari is much faster, and seems much more refined. I use my Touch Diamond much less often, yet it crashes or locks up requiring a RESET much more often. Of course, I have my share of complaints about the iPhone OS X, and the main one is dependence on iTunes. I don't like having to sync folders, I greatly prefer WinMo's way - copying the music and videos I want into a folder on the device.
It's not true that the iPhone OS X can't multitask. It's a variant of UNIX so it certainly can multitask, it's just not officially supported by the SDK. It makes sense, after all, Apple intends for the apps in the AppStore to be interactive apps, the type that shouldn't need multitasking ability. The various apps available via Cydia on a jailbroken phone don't necessarily follow Apple conventions and can multitask. For example, you can install Open SSH and SSH into the phone via Wifi while it's running any other app. All the unofficial UNIX-style apps can and do multitask.
Big applause for functions like MMS most likely aren't because people are amazed at the new feature, but people are happy because they're thinking, "FINALLY!" I know that was my thought, even the very first color LCD phone I ever had could do MMS (Samsung SGH-E715 in 2003).
What else does OS X mobile need to rival WM? Nothing. They can do whatever they like, but after my experience with an iPod Touch I will never buy another Apple product for as long as I live. As for the iPhone itself - I'm tired of hearing about it. Even on an HTC fanboy Web site, there's no escape.
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I haven't completely abandoned WinMo because I love gadgets and variety, but I have abandoned it as my primary phone. I switched to the iPhone as my primary over a year ago. Everything iPhone can do, it does it faster and easier than WinMo phones do. Anything it can't do, I don't really use. Using a WinMo phone feels so much more clunky than the iPhone. For instance, I was using my Touch Diamond the other night. Opera works much better than PIE, but it was still slow, annoying, dragging, and at times with greatly delayed reaction to my touch. The iPhone Safari is much faster, and seems much more refined. I use my Touch Diamond much less often, yet it crashes or locks up requiring a RESET much more often. Of course, I have my share of complaints about the iPhone OS X, and the main one is dependence on iTunes. I don't like having to sync folders, I greatly prefer WinMo's way - copying the music and videos I want into a folder on the device.
It's not true that the iPhone OS X can't multitask. It's a variant of UNIX so it certainly can multitask, it's just not officially supported by the SDK. It makes sense, after all, Apple intends for the apps in the AppStore to be interactive apps, the type that shouldn't need multitasking ability. The various apps available via Cydia on a jailbroken phone don't necessarily follow Apple conventions and can multitask. For example, you can install Open SSH and SSH into the phone via Wifi while it's running any other app. All the unofficial UNIX-style apps can and do multitask.
Big applause for functions like MMS most likely aren't because people are amazed at the new feature, but people are happy because they're thinking, "FINALLY!" I know that was my thought, even the very first color LCD phone I ever had could do MMS (Samsung SGH-E715 in 2003).
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Agreed 100% After many many years of being a HTC fan boy I out of here, after only a week with my iphone .... i love it and yep I did have to jailbreak it to make it really the phone I wanted but then again didnt have to flash my htc's to do the same?
Look, everyone to there own but you for me I was sick of paying £500+ for something that looks and feels the same year in year out and only now realise how poor the wm os runs.
goodbye fairwell my OLD friend WM
xxx
this iphone term 'jailbreak' means what? supercid? and can these be unlocked for any GSM carrier?
galaxys said:
this iphone term 'jailbreak' means what? supercid? and can these be unlocked for any GSM carrier?
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It Means 'Rooting'
Hi,
I`m new to this forums , but I find it quite impressive.
First of all, Im here to ask for an advice, any help would be quite appreciated.
Im looking to buy new phone and my decision is either xperia x1 or nokia n97.
I believe everyone here will tell me that x1 is the way to go for its customisability , but I would like to say what are my needs and maybe it will be easier to help me with the decision.
Right now I have sony ericsson P910 , pretty old smartphone with symbian OS (7.0 ??) , and I managed to find some software for it which I use, and thats the exactly software I would like to continue to use on my new phone, and some new ones.
I intend to be online almost at all times , to administrate some sites, meaning need fast good browser, irc program, msn, remote desktop also, maybe some ftp client as well, and all of that to be active at all times.
Also some blacklisting call manager (maybe now every newer phone has it ?), pdf reader, office package, but thats not a priority.
I must say Im somewhat concerned about reported slowness of x1, but I see there are some custom roms that may be better, but reading these forums its seems to me they are like toys to try and delete if not good, and to tell u the truth I dont have so much time to do flashing of the phone always.
I also read that x1 has more ram memory and faster processor than n97, but then again maybe symbian doesn`t need so much resources ?
so priorities for me are fast system, reliable without much crashing and bugs, and to be able to run all of those software I need.
so here are the questions:
1. Symbian or winmob ( consider the software that I need , remote desktop for example, also speed and resources) ?
2. winmo 6.1 or winmo 6.5 for x1? which is faster in the cleanest form without additional software ?
3. Is it best to go for official sony firmware update R3 or to go for some custom lite ver. rom, if I want only the cleanest and basic rom ? Meaning the speed and reliability ? if some custom rom then which one ?
4. which custom full rom has been reported to be the fastest and with the least bugs ?
5. I must say I would like to use winmo6.5 only cause finger friendly capabilities. If I read correctly there is not and will never be winmo 6.5 officially from sony, so in that case I will have to use some custom rom , so I need suggestion on the fastest and least bugs 6.5 custom rom
And the last thing is the availability and the price:
I can get new x1 for ~320 Euros and that n97 used but in good condition for no less then 400-450 Euros .
Actually i hold that n97 is my hands and is very good and x1 I only saw at pictures.
And btw qwerty keyboard is very important for me so if anyone knows which one has better keyboard pls let me know.
Camera has not any importance to me.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated, Im sorry if some of my questions were already written before, but I wanted to present my situation and to get the best out of it, so once again sorry and your help is very much appreciated.
Cheers,
Srle
P.S. that n97 has version 10 and I read that ver 12 is the newest one, and Im not even sure how to upgrade to the latest one, is it also flashing the device or something other ?
w00t, as a self-proclaimed Symbian fanboy I can be very onjective about your question.
Xperia can do all those things ans can do them better and faster. N97 is the first (failed) attempt from Nokia to make a good touchscreen smartphone (and no xzzprezzzmuzzzik does not count). All users of the N97 are used as beta testers and to point out bugs and wrong design decisions. N97 is buggy, has worse hardware than the X1 and is uglier lol.
Now for the questions:
1 - WinMo is a pocket PC platform with PC-like experience in your pocket while Symbian is just a smartphone one.
2 - 6.1 is still performing better and is still more stable. Might change in the future.
3 - Official R3A for sure. More stable and reliable. Custom ROMs are goos for experimenting and for answering specific needs.
4 - My knowledge is not up to date, but I think "itje" makes pretty good ones.
5 - 6.1 will suit your better.
N97's keyboard is PATHETIC. X1's keyboard is second only to the Touch Pro 2's one.
Oh, by the way, you won't be able to install your programs on the N97. Symbian has no backwards compatibility, in other words, the newer versions of Symbian don't support the programs made for the older versions. You will have to buy/find those apps all over again.
Cheers .
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I believe everyone here will tell me that x1 is the way to go for its customisability.
I intend to be online almost at all times , to administrate some sites, meaning need fast good browser, irc program, msn, remote desktop also, maybe some ftp client as well, and all of that to be active at all times.
Also some blacklisting call manager (maybe now every newer phone has it ?), pdf reader, office package, but thats not a priority.
so priorities for me are fast system, reliable without much crashing and bugs, and to be able to run all of those software I need.
so here are the questions:
1. Symbian or winmob ( consider the software that I need , remote desktop for example, also speed and resources) ?
2. winmo 6.1 or winmo 6.5 for x1? which is faster in the cleanest form without additional software ?
3. Is it best to go for official sony firmware update R3 or to go for some custom lite ver. rom, if I want only the cleanest and basic rom ? Meaning the speed and reliability ? if some custom rom then which one ?
4. which custom full rom has been reported to be the fastest and with the least bugs ?
5. I must say I would like to use winmo6.5 only cause finger friendly capabilities. If I read correctly there is not and will never be winmo 6.5 officially from sony, so in that case I will have to use some custom rom , so I need suggestion on the fastest and least bugs 6.5 custom rom
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It's good that you are prepared you will get a biased reply to WM.
I am sure you will found WM softwares to fulfill all you needs. Here are my lists of currently using program on WM for your requirement.
Opera 9.5, built in MSN Live & remote desktop, pocket VNC, pocket putty, resco explorer (FTP), Magicall (best call blocker), Foxit PDF reader, SoftMaker office.
6.1 would be a better choice for you since 6.5 consumes more resources for eye candies. And WM has a physical limit of 32 concurrent processes so lite rom (I have one and many other chefs make lite rom too) would be better if you need many programs active all the time
if you go the winmo route and considering the x1, i might suggest the x2 then. or the tp2
c_legaspi said:
if you go the winmo route and considering the x1, i might suggest the x2 then. or the tp2
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I guess he wants to keep the cost as low as possible.
orelsi said:
I guess he wants to keep the cost as low as possible.
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indeed. its already thinked over and its x1 or n97 used, which I can get at this point.
But I think I`m leaning towards x1 more atm. Probably gonna buy it at monday when the store will have it.
hopefully it wont be so slow as ppl talks.
I just read that x1 has a problem with the cracks, so Im not so thrilled about it...actually Im not even sure if buying x1 is a good idea :S....
I also recommend you the X1. For WM 6.1 you will find all the software you need and there's even a lot of freeware out there.
What concerns the quality of the hardware I think we have to admit there are some issues with the X1 (which phone has not it's shortcomings) but for me the only thing that I encountered personally is the dissolving of the black painting from the battery cover. And that also moderately. So far I have not seen the famous cracks in the case but maybe I'm just lucky.
All in all I consider the X1 still among the best WM phones on the market. The screen is great, the keyboard very convenient to type, the overall performance is good (WM is not known to be the fastest os out there). A few day's ago my X1 was stolen :-( and I did not hesitate to get a new one (finally I benefit from one of the many assurances I have to pay for every year).
I know it's like always everybody's personal opinion and there will never be a "best phone" on the market. But for me the X1 alsmost perfectly fits my needs. And is far as I see it should also meet yours.
10 months with no cracks here + those cracks are beneath the cover and don't affect the device in any way. People overexaggerate their importance...
icbicb said:
so here are the questions:
1. Symbian or winmob ( consider the software that I need , remote desktop for example, also speed and resources) ?
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On Symbian exist SymRDP, this remote desktop software works extremely well on N97.
X1's keyboard is really, really awesome for the first few months. I really enjoyed typing on the X1 until disaster struck. X1 keyboard is very prone to dust and before you anticipate it, your buttons are registering double keys and they become not responsive.
I'm using Fingerkeyboard full time now and I miss the good old days where I can type a 1000 words article using my X1 keyboard.
Hi guys,
I just yesterday purchased x1 black and it looks and behave pretty awesome.
Bu I already encountered a few problems. I immediately started installing some programs and SPB mobile shell 3.5 and on top of that TouchFlo 3d HD which I dont like, and wanted to delete it. BUt when I go to remove programs It wont delete it, I think because when phone is booting , its already in its memory so it can`t be done that way.
In short how to delete TF3D from my phone?
Or is there some kind of master reset that will erase all the apps I installed ?
Don't even use that ROM? Use another - TF3D shouldn't be in the stock ROM. AT ALL.
In short - install an Xperia ROM without TF3D
I didnt messed with the roms, and I dont intend to just right now. I just installed TF3D .cab and it added itself to today screen.
I really dont want to flash rom just because of this if there is any other solution.
What about hard reset?
Will it erase all my apps and put it back to factory settings?
icbicb said:
I didnt messed with the roms, and I dont intend to just right now. I just installed TF3D .cab and it added itself to today screen.
I really dont want to flash rom just because of this if there is any other solution.
What about hard reset?
Will it erase all my apps and put it back to factory settings?
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Yes .
Thanks. I actually did manage to uninstall tf3d without hard reset, maybe this will help someone with the same problem I had.
http://www.xperiax1.net/forum/x1-problems-issues/702-remove-touchflo-3d.html
is possible win mobile on htc tattoo?
tanks
see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583920
Still trying to find a method to root the device, then WM is pretty much further (and uninteresting sincerely). Buying a Tattoo for WM is a really bad idea, I don't even know if the processor can support WM
Windows Mobile is closed source, so no, it possibly couldn't be done.
Windows Mobile is lame anyway, it's actually a dummified version of Windows 2000 running some pretty GUI. Win Mobile is also a GUI on top of Windows CE, I believe the latest version is WinCE 6.5.
WinCE afaik needs to be compiled for specific CPU and such... It's not a one-size-fits-all setup. Sorry to pop your bubble.
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Windows Mobile is closed source, so no, it possibly couldn't be done.
Windows Mobile is lame anyway, it's actually a dummified version of Windows 2000 running some pretty GUI. Win Mobile is also a GUI on top of Windows CE, I believe the latest version is WinCE 6.5.
WinCE afaik needs to be compiled for specific CPU and such... It's not a one-size-fits-all setup. Sorry to pop your bubble.
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A little history from wiki..
Released in 16 November 1996 Codename "Alder".
Devices named "handheld PC" (HPC).
2.0 Released in September 1997 Codename "Birch".
Devices named "Palm-sized PC".
Real-time deterministic task scheduling.
Architectures: ARM, MIPS, PowerPC, StrongARM, SuperH and x86.
32-bit color screens.
SSL 2.0 and SSL 3.0.
3.0Released in June 2000 [MSCE3].Codename "Cedar".
Major recode that made CE hard real time down to the microsecond level.
Base for the Pocket PC 2000, Pocket PC 2002 and Smartphone 2002.
Priority levels was increased from 8 to 256.
Object store was increased from 65 536 to 4,19 million allowed objects.
Restricted access to critical APIs or restricting write access to parts of the registry.
4.x Released in January 2002 [MSCE4].Codename "Talisker/Jameson/McKendric".
Driver structure changed greatly, new features added.
Base for "Pocket PC 2003".
Bluetooth support.
TLS (SSL 3.1), IPsec L2TP VPN, or Kerberos.
5.0 Released in August 2004.Adds lots of features. Codename "Macallan".
Automatic report of bugs to the manufacturer.
Direct3D Mobile, a COM-based version of Windows XP's DirectX multimedia API.
DirectDraw for 2D graphics and DirectShow for camera and video digitisation support.
Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) support.
6.x Released in September 2006. Codename "Yamazaki".
Process address space is increased from 32 MB to 1 GB.
Number of processes has been increased from 32 to 32 768.
User mode and kernel mode device drivers are possible.
512MB physically managed memory
Device.exe, filesys.exe, GWES.exe has been moved to Kernel mode.
SetKMode and set process permissions not possible.
System call performance improved.
Theres no doubt Windows can do more than Android can in certain areas that really make a device useful. Windows Mobile= Mini PC w/phone capabilities, and Android= Modern Smart phone/w PC like functionality. It's all up to what you want in a phone..but if you gave me a Mini PC Phone..all in one word..that will be winner.
Cant understand WHY anyone wants WM ??? Its **** compare to Android in my world
OK, Could be nice with update for android to 2.x but windows mobile = hell no....
WM Shouldn't be a priority - Let's root and update
I have owned several WM devices, and Android is way superior than WM. Why would you buy a tattoo and then convert it? You should have bought a WM device if you want WM. Anyway, we should first be able to root the device, and update to 2.1.
Let us get our priorities right people!
besides being free source and visually more appealing i fail to see where exactly does android out do windows mobile???? Functionality ways according to me nothing beats windows mobile. I upgraded to the hero just to try something different, just to see what android is like..and in no way is it better than windows mobile....if ur talking about sense ui, facebook integration, and all the million other widgets that make your experience a great one.....that isn't the android OS per se...theyre just add ons. any way SPB mobile 3.5 is still better than the sense ui that we get on our phones.
things i didn't like about android:
-No bluetooth file transfer(at least in the version im running on the hero now)
-No bluetooth tethering option(i used to use this a lot on my windows phone)
-no option of installing programs on sd card( i had to root and install apps to sd, that too cache still remains on the phone memory)
-lacks basic programs when it comes from the factory, being a smart phone one would expect it to ship with basic programs like a file explorer and an office suite. but no...this phone overly depends on the market for everything.
conclusion
Although android is developing fast and seems to have a promising future, it is yet to become as good as windows mobile let alone out doing it. if i had the money i would surely buy an HD2.
We all know Android looks nicer but how does that make it superior? Wouldn't the operation system with the most features be ahead? Windows mobile will get flash 10.1 support first..windows CE usually powers all the intese 3D U.I's you see in embedded devices. Even nvidia has said they prefer the windows kernel over linux for doing 3D applications. I'm just saying the next windows mobile is obviously going be like holding a Mini Gaming PC from 2005-2006 in your pocket. Android will have to impress me with just good looks, and open source goodness..if theres an alternative that can actually do more. Dont get me wrong though, once i've booted Android on my device I never looked backed at windows again.
Whoopeedoo, a smartphone with a 3D UI. Big deal. Windows Mobile is horrible on Battery Life, I had a Windows Mobile PDA and it was in standby after a full charge, and it just drained like crazy yet it was idle.
Android is open source. It can be extended, edited and used for any task - It powers some eBook readers. Windows Mobile is crap, it's based on Windows NT Kernel (yes, that's correct) and you can't develop apps for WM unless you learn all the .NET garbage.
FACT: Android supports Bluetooth File Transfer via custom APK.
Go get a HTC Hero or HTC Dream with Quickoffice if you want some office app on your phone. Who would want to type a school assignment on their phone anyway?
I'll be a linux and android supporter, I'm not going to be corrupted with Windows Mobile. I use Windows CE + Linux on my Jornada HPC, so I'll have a shot at porting Android over to it.
@above
whatever suits you dude. For me, yes i can live with android(till i can afford the HD2) but the experience is not as pleasing as it was on the win mobile platform. As far as battery life goes, i have never had any issue with win mob, its pretty much the same as android...... well at least for my usage.
NO the android 1.5 that i currently run on the HERO does not support bluetooth file transfer or tethering even via a custom apk, although the much acclaimed 2.0 and newer versions do. But sadly there hasn't yet been any official release from HTC and the leaked roms though good (thanks to the efforts of the devs) aren't stable enough for my daily usage. In the end it all boils down to personal preference and your needs, whats superior and whats not doesn't matter really.
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Whoopeedoo, a smartphone with a 3D UI. Big deal. Windows Mobile is horrible on Battery Life, I had a Windows Mobile PDA and it was in standby after a full charge, and it just drained like crazy yet it was idle.
Android is open source. It can be extended, edited and used for any task - It powers some eBook readers. Windows Mobile is crap, it's based on Windows NT Kernel (yes, that's correct) and you can't develop apps for WM unless you learn all the .NET garbage.
FACT: Android supports Bluetooth File Transfer via custom APK.
Go get a HTC Hero or HTC Dream with Quickoffice if you want some office app on your phone. Who would want to type a school assignment on their phone anyway?
I'll be a linux and android supporter, I'm not going to be corrupted with Windows Mobile. I use Windows CE + Linux on my Jornada HPC, so I'll have a shot at porting Android over to it.
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Yeah, I'm just saying the next high end windows phones will bring mobile smartphones into the next level. It will support higher res 1200x600 screens ,multiple screen support, being able to output movies, and UI to your TV..making it a true portable media device. You'll basically have a xbox 360/Zune/PC in your pocket.
hers what to do
send me your tatoo
ill send you my htc touch mk 1
fair swap
you get windows
i get anotheR lovely android device !!
(( no but seriously the apps you want i can sort of agree with, file managers on android are a whole new thing when your used to win-mob, maybe try linda file manager or astro its just a getting used to process... or we can swap ! ))
=====PEACE=====
eldrid said:
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whatever suits you dude. For me, yes i can live with android(till i can afford the HD2) but the experience is not as pleasing as it was on the win mobile platform. As far as battery life goes, i have never had any issue with win mob, its pretty much the same as android...... well at least for my usage.
NO the android 1.5 that i currently run on the HERO does not support bluetooth file transfer or tethering even via a custom apk, although the much acclaimed 2.0 and newer versions do. But sadly there hasn't yet been any official release from HTC and the leaked roms though good (thanks to the efforts of the devs) aren't stable enough for my daily usage. In the end it all boils down to personal preference and your needs, whats superior and whats not doesn't matter really.
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Noted, I guess I misread your post as "OMG Android ****, WM pwns". Sorry if I offended you.
I'm sure if people wanted to, they could make a Win Mobile UI for android... but in my opinion, Android has a better feature set and can be hacked more than Windows Mobile can.
Hey i wasn't offended. Any way i agree the win mob UI is ****ty, its just the way the platform works that makes me like it, its very much like the windows pc that we use and are so overly familiar with. May be i will eventually get used to android.
As far as hacking goes....well no one has been able to root the tattoo or the droid eris yet...but almost all win mob devices at least have a soft spl out there.
Again a phone is meant to satisfy an almost unique set of needs of each individual, so yes its all personal preference.
I love the market on the android though..tons of free applications and in future if i had to buy a phone i would always choose a win mob or android phone...had a bad experience with symbian and i simply don't like the i-phone.
True. The iPhone UI is too simple, Windows Mobile had me going around in circles wondering how to send files to another device, and Android is just a "little slice of heaven". Again, that's my two cents, but yes, if any hardcore WM hacker wants a challenge, try porting WM to the HTC Click.
normally such porting is very hard if not impossible as drivers for the tattoo are made to be used with android 1.6, writing drivers from scratch for windows is going to be a royal pain in the @$$ for most developers.
like in thread. I cooked WM6.5.3, build 28205 with Palm OEM. All works: sleep with red button, messaging etc. Without CHome etc (lockscreen too).
Known bug is not opening Start after tapping icon on the screen. You must open Start with hardbutton.
Please test, I try to fix any bugs you find
Download: CLICK
phone need to be hard spl unlocked?
nice work!
but :
1. when you push the phone buttom there is a white sqare that stay for ever...
2. you can choose ringtone only from the phone itself and not from the card.
libal said:
1. when you push the phone buttom there is a white sqare that stay for ever...
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oh, really ? I fix this when I could.
Thanks for your efforts! The WM6.5 work for the Treo has slowed to a crawl. Nice to see there are a few of us that still like the Treo's form-factor.
Wow, I really like this ROM. I thought nav's was cool, this is even better! As with nav's ROM, I'll pitch in with some bug reporting.
-Palm's messaging app cannot be closed. It can't be exited, apparently, when I tap the close button on the bottom right it won't close the program. I used Wakutask to minimize it but that's the closest way to minimizing it on one tap (another way to minimize it it to open Start ->Show Today and it should go to the RAM.) Unfortunately, I am unable to use the Task Manager to close it as well. Only a Reboot will clear it away.
-Where is the "Keyguard" control panel applet? I want to turn off keyguard but cannot find the option.
Some other none-Palm related issues:
-When I install FileExplorer Ext, it freezes the phone randomly. Could be a probem with it, so I use Resco explorer for installing cabs :/
-HTC Task Manager doesn't work. Does anyone know which task managing progam is good for the new close button position?
-The aforementioned Waku Task works as designed, but as I mentioned earlier the close button no longer works at the top right (it would if you enable X-button skinning), but having active tasks still on the top bar is great
So, seeing how good this ROM is, minus the above issues, I'm wondering what should we call this ROM? Mietas edition?
Thanks again fo keeping the Treo alive!
more bugs
1.it did not let me to install new programs. I did an hard reset and then i succeed to install softwares.
2.i installed spb keyboard, and when i entered to menu in this software it freez and i needed to do a reset.
Oh this is issue is tottaly awesome. I didnt hope, that someone make new stable rom, with palm oem things. how much free ram is after installation? Want you fix the remaining bugs shortly? I didnt already install it, but i'm going to try it tomorrow.
Many thanks from treo user from czech.
I fix bugs as soon I get a Treo. Probably this week.
Thanks for reporting bugs so much
What about stability, RAM etc?
Finally had the chance to install it. Nice work!
1) I have to admit that I do miss the 'Zune' look of the earlier version's homescreen, but will gladly give it up for the stability and features of this ROM.
2) I had an issue trying to select a ringtone on the Phone Settings Screen. It looks like there is an extra dropdown menu covering up the one where you actually select the ringtone. Once you managed to select the proper dropdown, you could change the ringtone, it just took a little fiddling.
3) When I tried changing themes for the today screen, once switching off the AT&T screen, I couldn't get it back the way it was before the switch. Some of the menus, fonts, and graphics had changed (for example the lower menu bar on the home screen), and the only way I could find to restore it was a hard reset.
4) As others have said, clicking on the Windows logo on the home screen doesn't do anything. You have to use the Windows button on the keyboard.
5) I didn't have the issue reported by mangatron regarding the Messaging app. Mine seems to work fine.
6) The Phone button issue reported by libal is present for me too. It appears to be the menu box that popped up when pressing the phone button, only it goes blank, and as reported it does not go away by leaving that screen. Soft reset does clear it.
Any chance you could share your kitchen with us? This would allow us to make a few of these fixes and will allow us to port to other versions.
Also - When using any mail program it will not allow any reply to an email.
Hmm, Messaging app works fine now. Maybe I had to receive a few sms first, or I suspect my sim card wasn't playing nice with the ROM.
I also use AE Button Plus to map the OK button to actually close programs. That does wonders.
The old battery indicator that used to be in WM6 is half in the top bar. Well, I say half because I can see a part of the lightning icon (when you charge your phone), and a bit of the left shows up. Any way to clear that? Or a bug maybe...
I would like to note people using this ROM for the first time:
-It's always best to clear data after flashing ROM's. Hold Power button and press the Reset button underneath the MiniSD cover. That should clear the old installation setup you had previously, which should fix installation errors.
-The phone may seem sluggish at first setup, just wait for it to load what needs to load, and after you soft reset, everything should be smooth.
-For those that wonder about program compatibility, I tested a WM2003 era program (MADE Text Editor), and it simply overwrites the bottom bar with it's WM2003 style icon style bar. Works fine
As for stability, RAM, the phone operates a bit slower than WM6.1. SKTools benchmarks puts the graphics rendering nearly 100 points lower than WM6.1, and almost 200 points lower than nav's WM6.5 ROM. Maybe if we use his specialized ATI dll it might be faster? Because the CPU is also a bit slow, but only by 1 point, although RAM access time and Main Storage Read/Write is the same as WM6/6.1. I don't really want to tax the RAM, I tested Opera Mobile 10 Beta 2u and it operates the same way as on WM6/6.1. I don't want to test Beta 3 because that uses up twice the RAM than Beta 2u.
So far so good though, with a little bit of fixing this ROM can be a winner
Can this be used on Treo 700WX?
or is there WM6.5 ROM for Treo 700WX?
mangatron said:
As for stability, RAM, the phone operates a bit slower than WM6.1. SKTools benchmarks puts the graphics rendering nearly 100 points lower than WM6.1, and almost 200 points lower than nav's WM6.5 ROM. Maybe if we use his specialized ATI dll it might be faster? Because the CPU is also a bit slow, but only by 1 point, although RAM access time and Main Storage Read/Write is the same as WM6/6.1. I don't really want to tax the RAM, I tested Opera Mobile 10 Beta 2u and it operates the same way as on WM6/6.1. I don't want to test Beta 3 because that uses up twice the RAM than Beta 2u.
So far so good though, with a little bit of fixing this ROM can be a winner
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I can't readily compare to 6.1 because I haven't used it in a long time, but this ROM is definitely snappier than nav's 6.5 version. It loads faster, locks onto AT&T much faster, and web pages seem to load faster too. I'm just using it stock, I haven't added any additional software to it. I had nav's ROM on my Treo for several months, and would not go back from a performance perspective.
Having said that, I can confirm Z3rx's report of not being able to reply to emails. It just returns you to the Inbox when selecting reply either through the menu, or using the left action key. That's a big problem for me as I use e-mail quite a bit on my phone. Hope the OP doesn't disappear, as so many of the Treo 750 cookers seem to do after an initial release.
just wanted to say thanks! i also lost confidence in new wm6.5 roms for our old but good treo 750!
keep up the good work man!
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I can't readily compare to 6.1 because I haven't used it in a long time, but this ROM is definitely snappier than nav's 6.5 version. It loads faster, locks onto AT&T much faster, and web pages seem to load faster too. I'm just using it stock, I haven't added any additional software to it. I had nav's ROM on my Treo for several months, and would not go back from a performance perspective.
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Hmm, I can only imagine with nav's ATI driver this Mietas ROM would be a whole lot better, nav's was good basically for font rendering (pretty much every program launched) and Camera quality. The rest, was like you mentioned, it wasn't optimized in a lot of places, most notably for it's RAM management and I would suspect CHome/Titanium existing in his ROM further slowed it down.
Other than that, isn't signal clarity/reception dependant on the Radio Firmware version? Although I wouldn't be surprised because Nav's ROM does not pull both CAP_package and the Carrier database from EXT Rom like Mietas' ROM [probably] does (which would explain it being able to lock on faster, a similar experience I had with Tacoman's WM6.1 and the Chinese WM6.1, with Taco's pulling from EXT Rom while the CHS one didn't)
I would like to add that I currently am using the Database from what was most likely the final Official ENG ROM released by Palm, Vodafone Version 2.30 which according to my digging contains the most up to date Carrier Database (that's where all the world's wireless carrier information is kept). I could imagine if you had this you'd have even better results with your wireless carrier.
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Other than that, isn't signal clarity/reception dependant on the Radio Firmware version? Although I wouldn't be surprised because Nav's ROM does not pull both CAP_package and the Carrier database from EXT Rom like Mietas' ROM [probably] does (which would explain it being able to lock on faster, a similar experience I had with Tacoman's WM6.1 and the Chinese WM6.1, with Taco's pulling from EXT Rom while the CHS one didn't)
I would like to add that I currently am using the Database from what was most likely the final Official ENG ROM released by Palm, Vodafone Version 2.30 which according to my digging contains the most up to date Carrier Database (that's where all the world's wireless carrier information is kept). I could imagine if you had this you'd have even better results with your wireless carrier.
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I'm on AT&T, and did not change the radio firmware when I flashed this ROM. On Nav's ROM I manually set up the AT&T config, but did not have to here. Could be the difference I suppose.
startngate said:
I can't readily compare to 6.1 because I haven't used it in a long time, but this ROM is definitely snappier than nav's 6.5 version. It loads faster, locks onto AT&T much faster, and web pages seem to load faster too. I'm just using it stock, I haven't added any additional software to it. I had nav's ROM on my Treo for several months, and would not go back from a performance perspective.
Having said that, I can confirm Z3rx's report of not being able to reply to emails. It just returns you to the Inbox when selecting reply either through the menu, or using the left action key. That's a big problem for me as I use e-mail quite a bit on my phone. Hope the OP doesn't disappear, as so many of the Treo 750 cookers seem to do after an initial release.
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I agree that I hope the cook does not disappear, which is why I have asked for his cooked kitchen so I can make further improvements or port other version (23541)... however I have not heard anything back.
The email issue is a big problem as many times I can not even start a new email.
Please share your work so we can make a great rom!
Thank you, i was specting for something like this for about a year, anyone has some pictures of this new ROM working???
how the radio works how can i change the radio to get a better signal? here we have 850 umts and gsm 1800
Guys,
Let me ask a stupid question... In short and simple words, what are the benefits of replacing windows mobile by Android on a Topaz? Is the device faster? Does this improve the autonomy? Or is it only a scientist interests having an hardware designed for windows working with Android?
Your answer may help me to take the decision to test...
Thanks.
Well Heres a quick Answer
Hey, I'm new here too...
1.) You won't be replacing windows at all.
2.) There won't be a full fledge ROM (replacement for windows) at any point in the near future.
3.) Its nice for apps or general funtime but the phone lasts maybe 50% as long as far as battery life if used normally and most GPS functionality is gone. (crashes phone)
4.) there are a few bugs but that is expected.
5.) Don't let the bugs keep you from trying it out. It may not run as fast or faster than your WinMo but it does have far better features.
P.S. It is at your own risk however to run Android on your phone. I haven;t heard of any issues with bricking phones and in most cases you have little to worry about, plus this Forum has a lot of information to help with such situations, but the possiblity of damage to hardware due to stress or other reasons is still there,
Justin:
HTC Topa160 with qualcom 528MHz
Carrier: AT&T
Crappy ram and such
Crappy internal Storage and such
4GB SD external
WinMo 6.5 Rom 2.31.502.4
Radio 4.48.25.20
Protocol 61.39tc.25.30H
Rooted
XDAndroid Gingerbread 2.3.3 Latest Build (and shtuff)
Startup
set ramsize 0x10000000
set ramaddr 0x10000000
set mtype 2293
set KERNEL zImage
set initrd initrd.gz
set cmdline "lcd.density=240 msmvkeyb_toggle=off hw3d.force=1 force_cdma=0 acpuclock.oc_freq_khz=500000 sensor=topaz pm.sleep_mode=2 rel_path=andboot"
boot
I'll give it a try thanks for complete answer !
The reason for me to use it on Topaz is for the applications on Android...
Many of them are not available on WinMo 6
ryo81 said:
The reason for me to use it on Topaz is for the applications on Android...
Many of them are not available on WinMo 6
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Have to agree with that! Android apps are not as good as iPhone one's (I'm no fan boy thou ), but many of them are free and are fun Another point is that you are able to change your home-screen by better ones. In WinMo opportunities are little, but in Android you have Launcher Pro, etc. Love the theming of Android
just an neat alternative to winmo
android mail app is much more convenient, and so are a lot of apps
camera and video recording is slow and not so nice, even on the crappy side.
gaming much more interesting
interface is different but fun and easy
no gps...
no bt..
no usb mass storage or connection...
the device is a tad slower, and tent to be unstable with xandroid, but doable( oc to 650..)
its newer, winmo has a lot of apps, but android is newer
android is google, so all your personal stuff will be used( less with winmo)
ms is still making money on android, so don't be deluded
all in all, its(gb) running good enough to keep it running for daily use.
kinda like android, can't wait for the TD2 Xand rom to appear.
THere is no way to replace winmo on Topaz like HTC HD2 ?
Running xdanroid on sdcard is very slow
ryo81 said:
The reason for me to use it on Topaz is for the applications on Android...
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Are all the applications on Android available for the diamond 2 which has android?
it is not that slow. The TD2 is not running a snapdragon. Though some racegames tested run fast enough. Most apps seem to run on GB aswell.
.. send from.. xdandroid..