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Hi there ..
is the gps always on ?
how to power it off ?
if not how does it get power on, on first connect ?
thanks
when the port gets initalised it starts the hardware
cookie1977uk said:
when the port gets initalised it starts the hardware
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I thought that the GPS was always "sort of" on unless the phone was in complete flight mode.
timn2087 said:
I thought that the GPS was always "sort of" on unless the phone was in complete flight mode.
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If that were true you would think it would be a fairly serious design flaw.. Battery life, etc.. And since it takes so long to get a sat lock anyway it would be kind of pointless..!!
Everything I've read so far says it is activated only when invoked by an application.
It's possible to always get an approximate fix on your location, but that isn't GPS. That's possible via triangulation from the cell towers. Google Maps does this unless you tell it to use the GPS.
The GPS is only ever turned on when it is used by an application.
salada2k said:
If that were true you would think it would be a fairly serious design flaw.. Battery life, etc.. And since it takes so long to get a sat lock anyway it would be kind of pointless..!!
Everything I've read so far says it is activated only when invoked by an application.
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It's possible to always get an approximate fix on your location, but that isn't GPS. That's possible via triangulation from the cell towers. Google Maps does this unless you tell it to use the GPS.
The GPS is only ever turned on when it is used by an application.
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Thanks for clarifying that. You're both right, it would be silly to have the GPS constantly activated.
thank you ...
With Airflight Mode ON,it's still possible to use GPS...
Incredible...what a flaw!!!
HastaSSSS
how to set GPS on when flight mode on?
Hi,
Does anyone help me to set GPS on when flight mode on? If I set flight mode on, then tomtom cannot get GPS signal. Traveling with flight mode on will save lots of power.
Cheers
s1rl4ncel0t said:
With Airflight Mode ON,it's still possible to use GPS...
Incredible...what a flaw!!!
HastaSSSS
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isn't that irrelevant since the gps doesn't SEND anything?
really if you think about it, the gps hw on th phone only recieves data.
i usually carry with me a gps datalogger that does pretty funny lines when i connect it to google earth after arrriving home from my flights
s1rl4ncel0t said:
With Airflight Mode ON,it's still possible to use GPS...
Incredible...what a flaw!!!
HastaSSSS
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As others have said - Absolutely not a flaw at all. Indeed a nice feature which was in the TyTnII as well. GPS by its very nature is a reciever only, so nothing is transmitted to interfere with AC avionics.
In answer to the oringinal thread starter .. as far as I can tell the GPS shuts down when no software is polling it. Not sure what the timeout is. Would guess a minute or so.
s1rl4ncel0t said:
With Airflight Mode ON,it's still possible to use GPS...
Incredible...what a flaw!!!
HastaSSSS
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Really? TomTom 7 says 'GPS disabled because device is in flight mode.....'
Weird.
It shouldnt be disabled anyway as it's just a passive receiver - no transmit therefore no issue with airplanes.
thats my guess also (activated on request)
but i would rather prefer an option that allow-me to turn it off no matter what..
Thank you all for the answers
It shouldnt be disabled anyway as it's just a passive receiver - no transmit therefore no issue with airplanes.
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It's not quite that straightforward as a GPS receiver, like any electrical piece of equipment, has the potential to transmit RF radiation. Of course, whether the level and form of radiated power is sufficient to cause any difficulties with avionics is a different question entirely.
Like all rules of what is, and isn't, allowed onboard aircraft the final decision is down to the airline (which in turn base their decisions on official rules and regulations).
There is a list of airlines which do/don't allow GPS usage onboard here (it also contains an discussion on the issue). Note the caveat that allowed GPS usage is for cruising, not landing/takeoff where the number of critical avionic systems in use (and relied on) is increased.
Mathew
salada2k said:
Really? TomTom 7 says 'GPS disabled because device is in flight mode.....'
Weird.
It shouldnt be disabled anyway as it's just a passive receiver - no transmit therefore no issue with airplanes.
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"Flight Mode - all connections Disabled" is what Tom Tom actually says. It does not say that the GPS is disabled, just the connection.
You can even see this in this screen shot I took a few hours ago. Note the co-ordinates and information displayed. Now if you were to take a look at s34.88499e150.24473 in Google Earth to see where those co ordinates are, you will see that I could not have driven my car there. But I can assure you I was there. Also note the correct UTC time which will only display with the GPS running. There is no way TomTom could have known I was in that location unless it was using the GPS. So TomTom is sort of disabling all connections between itself and the phones GPS. But the GPS is still running.
Further - If you have your Diamond in flight mode - Just fire up the GPSTest application and you will see it has no problem getting a fix. Although it takes the whole screen so I cannot take a screen showing showing flight mode and the fix concurrently.
MJNewton said:
It's not quite that straightforward as a GPS receiver, like any electrical piece of equipment, has the potential to transmit RF radiation. Of course, whether the level and form of radiated power is sufficient to cause any difficulties with avionics is a different question entirely.
Like all rules of what is, and isn't, allowed onboard aircraft the final decision is down to the airline (which in turn base their decisions on official rules and regulations).
There is a list of airlines which do/don't allow GPS usage onboard here (it also contains an discussion on the issue). Note the caveat that allowed GPS usage is for cruising, not landing/takeoff where the number of critical avionic systems in use (and relied on) is increased.
Mathew
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Yeah I am aware of all of that. But I can tell you the final decision can have a lot more to do with where in the aircraft you happen to be sitting
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Yeah I am aware of all of that. But I can tell you the final decision can have a lot more to do with where in the aircraft you happen to be sitting
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I wouldn't know; I'm always way towards the back of the aircraft... usually wedged between two fat people.
Mathew
logger said:
"Flight Mode - all connections Disabled" is what Tom Tom actually says. It does not say that the GPS is disabled, just the connection.
You can even see this in this screen shot I took a few hours ago. Note the co-ordinates and information displayed. Now if you were to take a look at s34.88499e150.24473 in Google Earth to see where those co ordinates are, you will see that I could not have driven my car there. But I can assure you I was there. Also note the correct UTC time which will only display with the GPS running. There is no way TomTom could have known I was in that location unless it was using the GPS. So TomTom is sort of disabling all connections between itself and the phones GPS. But the GPS is still running.
Further - If you have your Diamond in flight mode - Just fire up the GPSTest application and you will see it has no problem getting a fix. Although it takes the whole screen so I cannot take a screen showing showing flight mode and the fix concurrently.
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Fair call - I had never actually got a fix in that situation so I thought the GPS was disabled. Thanks for pointing that out.
The two fat people would sure as hell attenuate the signal. (But perhaps protect the avionics). Fotunately for me I get to sit at the other end.
If you think this is a fraud, please don't read any further. If you're an admin and think this is inappropriate, please delete this post. I just want to share my finding.
This may help you guys to get free trial for Sirius and XM radio for a while.
1- use this legally link to create a new email path for your real email.
2- Then use this new email address to register for your free account (3 days on Sirius and 7 days on XM radio).
3- You shouldn't abuse it too much, according to the rule, you can only create 1 account per email address
I don't think this is illegal, or considering as crack or hack... since they offered it to people who has an email address
So that you know, I did subscribe for a full year package on Sirius, but it's just damn too expensive it's like getting another cellphone plan.
Why XM radio so expensive? more than $17/month. I paid $150/year.
PS: get your Sirius and XM radio player here
nice found this would probably be useful for pandora too
Keland44 said:
nice found this would probably be useful for pandora too
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Is there a free soft for Pandora on the Fuze?
well see in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407305&highlight=pandora they offer a cab from the incite for pandora which does work but it has you register with your email and it gives you a one day trial but using that jetable site you can probably give yourself a couple of days worth of use oh i forgot to mention that i think the cab will only work for ATT
Keland44 said:
well see in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407305&highlight=pandora they offer a cab from the incite for pandora which does work but it has you register with your email and it gives you a one day trial but using that jetable site you can probably give yourself a couple of days worth of use oh i forgot to mention that i think the cab will only work for ATT
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Pandora doesn't let Canadian User to register anyway...
I use audio scrobbler/lastfm windows mobile client. Crappy interface but nice Pandora like song selection
This is pure silliness. You can get Free sirius radio on an actual sirius radio pretty easy if you are patient. Here is how to do it.
First some background.
The way the sirius, and xm for that matter work is, a signal is sent from the satellites telling it to activate, and what channels it can have. There is no way for the radio to communicate to the satellites, or to sirius or xm at all. The providers have to send a signal which turns if off after deactivation. If the radio never gets this signal, it will not deactivate.
Now, how long will they keep sending the deactivate signal. I'm not sure. Some say 3 months. but there is no way to actually know for sure without talking to them. It takes months. I also have a trick that will make sure you will get this to work.
Get sirius, and pay for service. You have to be out of trial. Or if you have sirius already...
Turn off the radio, disconnect the antenna.
Do not trun it on or connect antenna at ALL!
Call sirius and tell them your radio Broke. This is improtant, If the radio is broke, why keep sending a signal to it?
You will either have to purchase a new radio, or talk them into a free one. Most cases you will get a discount if you tell them you will cancel your subscription.
Once the new radio comes, Put it in your car, and activate it.
Take the old radio, keep it in the base and keep power to it, so it does not loose memory. The memory will keep for some time, but it will die at some point requiring reactivation.
No listen to your sirius, and keep paying for a bit.
wait 6 months, a year is safer.
Hook your disconnected radio back up to antenna and turn it on.
HOLY SMOKES ITS STILL ACTIVATED!!!!
Yes, this works. If you don't believe me, I don't care. Will just rock out for free and you wont.
How did I find this out? I had a radio where the antenna broke while active. I called up sirius and told them my radio didn't work any more and I wanted to cancel because I was not gonna spend any money on a new radio. They sold me one for $15 and credited me a few months, which took care of the cost of the radio and then some. I didn't think anything of this. Had that radio sitting on the shelf for a long time. Almost 2 years. Yes the memory held, but I wouldn't take a chance doing it a second time. About 6 months ago I put the radio in a base to see if it sill worked and to my surprise it was still activated. I did the math and figured how it worked. Still going free.
Do I feel bad about this? NO. Why? Because I still pay for sirius. I have 2 other vehicles I pay for. I use the free on in the house. I used to just take the receiver in every day because I have a base hooked to my stereo.
I can only listen to one at a time. So if I switch from one to the other, whats the difference. Anyway, whatever.:silly:
pandaboyy said:
If you think this is a fraud, please don't read any further. If you're an admin and think this is inappropriate, please delete this post. I just want to share my finding.
This may help you guys to get free trial for Sirius and XM radio for a while.
1- use this legally link to create a new email path for your real email.
2- Then use this new email address to register for your free account (3 days on Sirius and 7 days on XM radio).
3- You shouldn't abuse it too much, according to the rule, you can only create 1 account per email address
I don't think this is illegal, or considering as crack or hack... since they offered it to people who has an email address
So that you know, I did subscribe for a full year package on Sirius, but it's just damn too expensive it's like getting another cellphone plan.
Why XM radio so expensive? more than $17/month. I paid $150/year.
PS: get your Sirius and XM radio player here
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Free Sirius Lifetime 2.0
mchaos said:
This is pure silliness. You can get Free sirius radio on an actual sirius radio pretty easy if you are patient. Here is how to do it.
First some background.
The way the sirius, and xm for that matter work is, a signal is sent from the satellites telling it to activate, and what channels it can have. There is no way for the radio to communicate to the satellites, or to sirius or xm at all. The providers have to send a signal which turns if off after deactivation. If the radio never gets this signal, it will not deactivate.
Now, how long will they keep sending the deactivate signal. I'm not sure. Some say 3 months. but there is no way to actually know for sure without talking to them. It takes months. I also have a trick that will make sure you will get this to work.
Get sirius, and pay for service. You have to be out of trial. Or if you have sirius already...
Turn off the radio, disconnect the antenna.
Do not trun it on or connect antenna at ALL!
Call sirius and tell them your radio Broke. This is improtant, If the radio is broke, why keep sending a signal to it?
You will either have to purchase a new radio, or talk them into a free one. Most cases you will get a discount if you tell them you will cancel your subscription.
Once the new radio comes, Put it in your car, and activate it.
Take the old radio, keep it in the base and keep power to it, so it does not loose memory. The memory will keep for some time, but it will die at some point requiring reactivation.
No listen to your sirius, and keep paying for a bit.
wait 6 months, a year is safer.
Hook your disconnected radio back up to antenna and turn it on.
HOLY SMOKES ITS STILL ACTIVATED!!!!
Yes, this works. If you don't believe me, I don't care. Will just rock out for free and you wont.
How did I find this out? I had a radio where the antenna broke while active. I called up sirius and told them my radio didn't work any more and I wanted to cancel because I was not gonna spend any money on a new radio. They sold me one for $15 and credited me a few months, which took care of the cost of the radio and then some. I didn't think anything of this. Had that radio sitting on the shelf for a long time. Almost 2 years. Yes the memory held, but I wouldn't take a chance doing it a second time. About 6 months ago I put the radio in a base to see if it sill worked and to my surprise it was still activated. I did the math and figured how it worked. Still going free.
Do I feel bad about this? NO. Why? Because I still pay for sirius. I have 2 other vehicles I pay for. I use the free on in the house. I used to just take the receiver in every day because I have a base hooked to my stereo.
I can only listen to one at a time. So if I switch from one to the other, whats the difference. Anyway, whatever.:silly:
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There is an even better way.
1. Get a Radio (I got one cheap at a garage sale)
2. Pay for the ongoing monthly plan (approx. $15 per month + $15 activation)
3. Activate and listen for awhile
4. Once you know your radio is activated and working, turn it off and disconnect the antenna
5. Cancel the subscription, act as if the radio was broken AND/OR you are moving to an area with NO SERVICE. This will keep them from constantly annoying you with offers..
6. Wait approx. 3 months. I personally waited exactly 4 months + 1 day to be safe, but many other people have waited less.
7. Finally, turn on the radio and enjoy free (super-cheap) lifetime subscription
For those worried about wasting ~$40, Sirius regularly will try to give you discounted plans once you "quit". For example, I could have gotten 6 legitimate months for $20 AND free activation. In other words, if it doesn't work for you, you still have a good plan to go off of. For those trying this out, please post success stories regarding the time waited and other factors. Thanks and good luck!
Dreadhawk177 said:
There is an even better way.
For those worried about wasting ~$40, Sirius regularly will try to give you discounted plans once you "quit". For example, I could have gotten 6 legitimate months for $20 AND free activation. In other words, if it doesn't work for you, you still have a good plan to go off of. For those trying this out, please post success stories regarding the time waited and other factors. Thanks and good luck!
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Does this also work for traffic subscription? Does this method keep this active?
On Cars and Traffic
Taboltini said:
Does this also work for traffic subscription? Does this method keep this active?
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As far as I know, yes. Essentially, all the data is being sent everywhere by 3-4 satellites. Everyone gets these signals, but your sirius device must be activated via code sent in through the satellites. Once you cancel your subscription or it otherwise runs out, the satellites send a "kill signal" along with the music and other data. If your particular radio is listening, it will read that signal and deactivate. I'm not 100% sure how doing this method with in-car devices would be different, but I'd imagine that you'd need to just cut the antenna and/or keep your actual radio powered off. I know that somebody put their motorcycle in a big garage over the winter and their subscription was canceled, and when he turned it on next spring everything worked. In short, unless the traffic costs extra or is something entirely separate, you would be fine. Good luck!
As far as I know, the method hasn't been extensively tested on in-car radios and such. I am not 100% sure cutting power to the radio would be enough to prevent the signal from killing your radio's subscription. Cutting the antenna should work, though. Please test in the future.:fingers-crossed:
But... is it possible to record and to emulate SXM activation signal?
Taboltini said:
But... is it possible to record and to emulate SXM activation signal?
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Technically, yes. You would probably need a software defined radio though, and there might be a problem if they cryptographically secure the activation using something time sensitive or one-time as to prevent replay attacks. What I would be interested in is a way to open the device and make it ignore all activation signals and think it's activated no matter what.
By the way, I'm gonna try this with the OnyX EZ that came free with our car subscription. I know there used to be XM and Sirius, so I'm not entirely sure if it will work with mine because most posts are like 2010, but I'll report back. Mine is SiriusXM. I will get the all access for a couple weeks, make sure it all works, unplug power and antenna, cancel saying it broke, wait ~5-6 months to be safe, and hopefully remember to report back here.
My only concern is that by now they broadcast a max length with activation, and the devices handle their own deactivation as well.
I have a 3 month all access to sirius xm that came qith my new vehicle. I like it but the monthly subscription is a killer. I only ever laiten to radio when Im in my car, which is only about 30 minutes a day. I also want to keep the subscription but they charge you arm and leg. Is the signal specific to the antenna. Can I change the antenna and just use normal radio sstations for a few months and reconnect the antenna after maybe 3 months? Has anyone tried this?
mchaos said:
This is pure silliness. You can get Free sirius radio on an actual sirius radio pretty easy if you are patient. Here is how to do it.
First some background.
The way the sirius, and xm for that matter work is, a signal is sent from the satellites telling it to activate, and what channels it can have. There is no way for the radio to communicate to the satellites, or to sirius or xm at all. The providers have to send a signal which turns if off after deactivation. If the radio never gets this signal, it will not deactivate.
Now, how long will they keep sending the deactivate signal. I'm not sure. Some say 3 months. but there is no way to actually know for sure without talking to them. It takes months. I also have a trick that will make sure you will get this to work.
Get sirius, and pay for service. You have to be out of trial. Or if you have sirius already...
Turn off the radio, disconnect the antenna.
Do not trun it on or connect antenna at ALL!
Call sirius and tell them your radio Broke. This is improtant, If the radio is broke, why keep sending a signal to it?
You will either have to purchase a new radio, or talk them into a free one. Most cases you will get a discount if you tell them you will cancel your subscription.
Once the new radio comes, Put it in your car, and activate it.
Take the old radio, keep it in the base and keep power to it, so it does not loose memory. The memory will keep for some time, but it will die at some point requiring reactivation.
No listen to your sirius, and keep paying for a bit.
wait 6 months, a year is safer.
Hook your disconnected radio back up to antenna and turn it on.
HOLY SMOKES ITS STILL ACTIVATED!!!!
Yes, this works. If you don't believe me, I don't care. Will just rock out for free and you wont.
How did I find this out? I had a radio where the antenna broke while active. I called up sirius and told them my radio didn't work any more and I wanted to cancel because I was not gonna spend any money on a new radio. They sold me one for $15 and credited me a few months, which took care of the cost of the radio and then some. I didn't think anything of this. Had that radio sitting on the shelf for a long time. Almost 2 years. Yes the memory held, but I wouldn't take a chance doing it a second time. About 6 months ago I put the radio in a base to see if it sill worked and to my surprise it was still activated. I did the math and figured how it worked. Still going free.
Do I feel bad about this? NO. Why? Because I still pay for sirius. I have 2 other vehicles I pay for. I use the free on in the house. I used to just take the receiver in every day because I have a base hooked to my stereo.
I can only listen to one at a time. So if I switch from one to the other, whats the difference. Anyway, whatever.:silly:
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This trick works ?
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This trick works ?
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Works like a charm. Disconnected old radios and deactivated them, a long time later, plugged them in, and they both worked.
wonder about the "never turn it off" theory?
First, I'm glad to see all these confirmations. I've been following threads like this for a while and hope it works, because I may need it soon. I'm on a fixed income now and can't afford the monthly charge, but like some of you i discovered that if you call and persist in requesting cancellation, they do offer some reasonable and affordable packages, around $20 for 5 or 6 months depending on whether you want sports packages or something. Especially if you've been a customer for a while. But last time I did this was around April of this year (2016) and they warned me that all their rates are going up around October, which is right around the time my 6 months expire. So if they have no more good final offers, I'll have to try turning the radio off for several months and cancelling.
I have a question though. I had also heard that these radios only "listen" for the authorization signals when they first power up. I guess that's possible, but I've never seen a confirmation. If its true, it wouldn't be a big deal for me to hook up my home base unit to an UPS, and leave it on all the time, or even wire it into an 'always on" power source in the car (doubt it would run the battery down). But I've never seen this theory confirmed. Any thoughts?
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First, I'm glad to see all these confirmations. I've been following threads like this for a while and hope it works, because I may need it soon. I'm on a fixed income now and can't afford the monthly charge, but like some of you i discovered that if you call and persist in requesting cancellation, they do offer some reasonable and affordable packages, around $20 for 5 or 6 months depending on whether you want sports packages or something. Especially if you've been a customer for a while. But last time I did this was around April of this year (2016) and they warned me that all their rates are going up around October, which is right around the time my 6 months expire. So if they have no more good final offers, I'll have to try turning the radio off for several months and cancelling.
I have a question though. I had also heard that these radios only "listen" for the authorization signals when they first power up. I guess that's possible, but I've never seen a confirmation. If its true, it wouldn't be a big deal for me to hook up my home base unit to an UPS, and leave it on all the time, or even wire it into an 'always on" power source in the car (doubt it would run the battery down). But I've never seen this theory confirmed. Any thoughts?
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I doubt it works reliably long term, I had a receiver last a few months after being disconnected (it was my summer car off the road, so it was a combination of events).
But sirius runs free trials a few times during the year where they activate ALL deactivated receivers as bait for old customers and off trial new vehicles. A week after the trial is over they shut down the entire list of inactive receivers (including your disconnected esn). So you would have to know when these trials occur because once they end your esn will be on the black list to get shut down.
The only theory that should work is to go after the onboard memory chip within the receiver, basically prevent it from erasing its channel lineup. A guy mentioned it on a different forum but no one has been able to confirm which pins on the sdrom chip needs to be grounded to prevent channel list erasing (its receiver specific). In principle this method would work flawlessly and the only downside would be being stuck with the same channels even if siriusxm updates their channel line up, you would still get the old channel lists but at least they would work. Each esn has an encryption key that gets renewed every so often and if that does not match up, it will once again fail to receive channels so its a shot in the dark but may be neat to look into as a mod hobby.
Personally I wouldnt bother with the disconnect trick, hunt for trials and enjoy the discounted rates, then ask them for another 6 months, or disconnect it for a while and try again for a trial. But they have the system pretty well figured out, after all its their business to ensure non paying radios are cut off. The worst part of it is having to pay for multiple vehicles, I can only drive one car at a time yet each one needs a separate unit, kind of silly on their part not to have a reduced rate for a 2nd/3rd receiver on the same account.
Maybe some experts can chime on how a 54 pin synchronous DRAM chip works.
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I doubt it works reliably long term, I had a receiver last a few months after being disconnected (it was my summer car off the road, so it was a combination of events).
But sirius runs free trials a few times during the year where they activate ALL deactivated receivers as bait for old customers and off trial new vehicles. A week after the trial is over they shut down the entire list of inactive receivers (including your disconnected esn). So you would have to know when these trials occur because once they end your esn will be on the black list to get shut down.
The only theory that should work is to go after the onboard memory chip within the receiver, basically prevent it from erasing its channel lineup. A guy mentioned it on a different forum but no one has been able to confirm which pins on the sdrom chip needs to be grounded to prevent channel list erasing (its receiver specific). In principle this method would work flawlessly and the only downside would be being stuck with the same channels even if siriusxm updates their channel line up, you would still get the old channel lists but at least they would work. Each esn has an encryption key that gets renewed every so often and if that does not match up, it will once again fail to receive channels so its a shot in the dark but may be neat to look into as a mod hobby.
Personally I wouldnt bother with the disconnect trick, hunt for trials and enjoy the discounted rates, then ask them for another 6 months, or disconnect it for a while and try again for a trial. But they have the system pretty well figured out, after all its their business to ensure non paying radios are cut off. The worst part of it is having to pay for multiple vehicles, I can only drive one car at a time yet each one needs a separate unit, kind of silly on their part not to have a reduced rate for a 2nd/3rd receiver on the same account.
Maybe some experts can chime on how a 54 pin synchronous DRAM chip works.
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Hmmm... everything you're saying makes sense, but so many have verified that they had continuous use after leaving the radio disconnected for a good while, I can't help wondering if your theory is missing something. Interesting idea about the memory though. I'm pretty proficient in electronics, and it sounds like an interesting "rainy day" project. I'd imagine though that a unless an XM-Radio receiver is a standard module, distributed only by Serius and incorporated into everything from ONYX dash mount radios to all inclusive GPS and Radio systems supplied by auto manufactures, every implementation will be different. In fact, based on a lot of system on chip (SOIC) packages I've dealt with, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of radios don't even have a separate memory chip. Lots of these ICs have Ram and flash storage sufficient for a lot of programming tasks built right into the same chip with the CPU, so you couldn't get to it. Besides, if anything authorization parameters would be stored in a FLASH rather than DRAM memory, or they would all be lost when power is dropped.
I do agree... and I have in fact had little trouble requesting a more affordable package from Sirius, at least so far. But if they ever stop offering it, I might as well be equipped to give my best shot to finding a way around it. Its true, as you say, that they have to try to prevent freeloaders to make money. But like everything else, there is an 80/20 rule in place. In this case it means that 80% of the freeloaders can be eliminated with 20% of the work, but blocking that last 20% will require 80% more effort on their part. for most companies, the payoff for stopping that minority is not worth the effort. In fact, their offer of reduced fees is probably a major reason you don't see much a black market for permanently "enabled" radios.
Just tried this and it works, couldn't believe it. Unsubscribed about 3 months ago and it fully updated all of my channels upon power on, plus the trial is only so many channels and with the trial it will flash there subscription number on the screen.
New radios do not do this. Modern XM radios need a reactivation signal once in a while. MY older Sirius radios are still active and running, but the 2 years old XM radio that was activated but not on when the kill signal was sent...... 2 years later I powered it up and it went to update the channel list and popped up "No activation" after it was playing howard stern for 3 minutes. I was expecting them to fix this hole and it looks like the more modern radios do.
Im getting some rather odd performance from the GPS..
I just got this thing out of the box, and know next to nothing about it.. so forgive me if this is a known issue or an easy fix..
I decided to mess with it a bit and went to "maps" and then "location" it puts me nowhere even near where I am..
so I tried "direction" and did "from my current location" to my office (4 miles away)
it cam up with sound direction, but when I started moving, it had my dot jumping all over the place. Showing me on one side of town, then 30 sec later 5 miles away..
I download an app that shows GPS status, and it shows good signal (7 satellites)
So, why is it behaving so wierd?
also, what are some other GOOD free navigation apps? I see many listed in the market, but I dont want to download them all, anyone have an opinion?
Do you have the GPS enabled in your settings?
G1 uses 2 ways to pin point your location:
1. Wireless networks (which I find never to be accurate)
2. Gps
Go to your Settings>> Security & Location
Try disabling your wireless and ONLY use GPS
Sorry but no good FREE Nav on the market yet, AndNav is still on the works for US
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also, what are some other GOOD free navigation apps? I see many listed in the market, but I dont want to download them all, anyone have an opinion?
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don't know how good it is but Nav4All i think it's called....i downloaded it this morning and i think it's a talkin nav cause you have to download the voice language you want to use. i haven't tried it yet but might be a good option
I saw TeleNav nominated as the best GPS navigation app by the Android Network. (this is their blog page where it is posted: http://blog.telenav.com/blog/2009/0...ne-vote-for-us-in-the-android-network-awards/). Should I get this service or is some other service like Google Maps available? Thanks for the help.
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don't know how good it is but Nav4All i think it's called....i downloaded it this morning and i think it's a talkin nav cause you have to download the voice language you want to use. i haven't tried it yet but might be a good option
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i use this... confusing at first but ya you can have the voice different ways. i gotta guys voice bc i have a feeling a girls voice will point me in the wrong directions...
The ONLY good nav program is copilot. All the others offload navigation to the provider's servers so require network connection and use up your data allocation - i.e. cost $$ to use.
If your location is jumping around by miles, then you are using cell tower location. It sets your position to the same position as the tower itself. GPS lock can sometimes take a long time. If the gps icon in the status bar is BLINKING or OFF, then you are definitely NOT getting a GPS position.
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The ONLY good nav program is copilot. All the others offload navigation to the provider's servers so require network connection and use up your data allocation - i.e. cost $$ to use.
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if you have unlimited data, you're ok with the others. I used nav4all before i bought copilot. copilot is MUCH better, but nav4all does the job well enough.
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if you have unlimited data, you're ok with the others. I used nav4all before i bought copilot. copilot is MUCH better, but nav4all does the job well enough.
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Absolutely not because you're tied in to network coverage.
Ok so I am starting to work on creating some apps with Android. Without giving away my idea I just want to describe basically what I need just to see if it even exists or I'd have to find a way to make one.
So what I need it a GPS unit that can be remote from my handset (I'll be using my Nook Color for dev in this case). Now normally you'd say, ok just use a bluetooth one, however I need its range to be far beyond what BT would provide. so I need something that would transmit signal over maybe RF to some sort of receiver that then I can hopefully connect to the USB port on the Nook or whatever other device. I need its range to be about a mile or so. Anyone know of something that exists like this?
If I were to build the device myself I would really only need it to transmit data every time the GPS unit crosses over a specific set of coordinates. This is why how it operates dictates how I will program this thing.
Any other suggestions of how to do this or ideas on if something like this even exists?
There are tons of apps to track another android phone, and you can find GPS tracking units to mount on vehicles as "spy" supplies, but I don't know if any of them have Android apps. That's about all I can tell you.
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There are tons of apps to track another android phone, and you can find GPS tracking units to mount on vehicles as "spy" supplies, but I don't know if any of them have Android apps. That's about all I can tell you.
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Hmm you present 2 interesting ideas.
I could make an app that does what I want it to do by tracking another phone's GPS, and just have my app require 2 phones. Problem is I'm reliant on cell signal there most likely which won't work with a nook (and also won't work "everywhere").
The other maybe there is a way for me to make the Nook or other android device receive from that GPS tracker.
Thanks for that, gave me a couple ideas!
If you have access to an Android phone to serve as the GPS marker, just get something like Family Tracker. The tracking client should work on the NC.
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If you have access to an Android phone to serve as the GPS marker, just get something like Family Tracker. The tracking client should work on the NC.
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I need it to work independent of cell service/internet service. basically the only connections need to be to a GPS satellite and direct between the transmitter and the receiver at the Android device.
Working on some spy stuff?
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Working on some spy stuff?
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Nope, its basically a remote lap timer.
I'm getting sick of ignorant people saying stuff like "oh yeah your GPS works as long as you have a data or wifi signal."
NO. THAT IS NOT GPS. That is the cheap triangulation signal method via cell towers that just about ANY phone can do. If you don't know the difference between GPS and cell tower triangulation then do not bother contributing to this discussion.
Real GPS uses satellites. You know, the ones in space. Nothing else.
Tomtoms don't use a cellular signal, they use GPS.
If you have real GPS, you can pinpoint almost perfectly where you are in realtime, and even accurately track your velocity, so long as there is a clear line of sight to the satellites. If your location is "bouncing back and forth", then you do not have GPS enabled. Period.
I would like to know, once and for all, was HTC lying on their phone specifications in saying that the HD7 has GPS or not?
My old HTC Touch HD had it. Why on earth does this HD7 not seem to have it?
Has anyone here ever actually managed to verify that a true GPS receiver even exists in this phone?
There is a GPS reciever in the phone or it wont be able to pinpoint your exact location in Bing Maps.
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There is a GPS reciever in the phone or it wont be able to pinpoint your exact location in Bing Maps.
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I have never had bing maps pinpoint my "exact" location though, only maybe to the nearest 20 metres. And the pointer doesn't seem to move as I move, which suggests to me it isn't using satellites at all...
You seem to be confused. To clear up your misunderstanding, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
FWIW, I use the GPS radio on my daily 6km runs. My old Holux devices (CF-Card, USB external), used to take 30-60 seconds to grab a 3D fix. My HD7 does it in just 15-seconds. If a data connection is available, AGPS will acquire a 'quick fix' first, then based on that position determine which satellites it should look for, elminating the old trial and error method. Hence, a 'true' gps connection is acheived immediately after the AGPS system does it's job.
Bing Maps is just simply a built-in GPS client for the hardware radio and firmware.
To those concerned about data roaming charges, a data connection is not required to use the GPS radio, but is necessary to use downloaded maps, etc. As the newly released Navigon system stores maps on your device (1.6-2.5gb!) it will run independent of a data connection.
Cheers
I understand perfectly what A-GPS is. However I have yet to see my HTC HD7 actually acquire a satellite signal.
Is there anything in the phone that actually indicates when it has acquired a signal from GPS satellites?
What I believe to be the case is that this phone never actually uses GPS signals, at any stage. I believe it simply uses the cellular towers to triangulate your position, and you never get anything more accurate than that.
I would happily be proven wrong. Or if you could show me somewhere on the phone which says "now receiving from (6) satellites" like my old HTC used to do, I will happily stand corrected.
Bing maps has never ever been "GPS accurate" in my experience, and I have had the phone for just under a year now.
What about the Navigon select app that some German carriers implement on their HD7s, isn't that satellite GPS signal ?
i'm using navigon navigator,that show me speed,exat position,and many other info:hd7 HAS A GPS RICEVITOR!!!
I used Bing maps navigation the other day to find a junk yard about 2 hours from where I live and it was pretty accurate. Even merging onto another highway showed the cursor right where I was. After the initial routing pretty sure I was out of signal since I had no service way out in the sticks yet Bing maps never lost the route. I wa pretty satisfied.
But your right real gps shouldn't need a data signal at all like navigon select. Maps are stored locally.
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I understand perfectly what A-GPS is. However I have yet to see my HTC HD7 actually acquire a satellite signal.
Is there anything in the phone that actually indicates when it has acquired a signal from GPS satellites?
What I believe to be the case is that this phone never actually uses GPS signals, at any stage. I believe it simply uses the cellular towers to triangulate your position, and you never get anything more accurate than that.
I would happily be proven wrong. Or if you could show me somewhere on the phone which says "now receiving from (6) satellites" like my old HTC used to do, I will happily stand corrected.
Bing maps has never ever been "GPS accurate" in my experience, and I have had the phone for just under a year now.
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I'm going to back this post up 100% on my end. I stand outside of my building and have NEVER had my bing map... and it shows me 3 or 4 blocks away from my actual location. I've actually had this question sitting on my end for quite some time now.
I, personally, don't believe that the HTC can be used as a true GPS. It just uses the cell towers like mentioned above.
If somebody could actually prove this, other than saying... IT HAS GPS BECAUSE IT SHOWED ME DIRECTIONS AND ACCURATE DIRECTIONS TOO.... Turn by turn directions though Bing is fine.. but it's still not a true GPS location being used.
Would downloading a GPS program like the 35$ garmin one actually give me a different reading on my map? Would it actually work if I have no cellular signal like a true GPS, and work off of a GPS signal?
@NachoNut and @Heofz: Do the apps in the marketplace that provide system information tell you if the phone is using triangulation or actual GPS? You could also try tweeting @windowsphone, @winphonesupport, @attcustomercare, or @htc asking about it. They're generally pretty responsive
I can't verify the exact GPS hardware, but the "system view" app from the WP7 marketplace shows "GPS location" on my HD7 and reads out to the 100th's place in latitude and longitude and ALTITUDE. You would not be able to read altitude via cell tower triangulation.
I think the issue gets confused because many of the location aware programs will use the triangulation method first while waiting for the GPS to get a reading. For instance, in Bing maps, your location is shown in a wide circle but as GPS locks in the circle shrinks down to a much more accurate location.
Even AGPS cannot get down to +/- a few meters without other outside assistance or references though.
download tools for wp7 app from the marketplace. This has a gps reciever app. Put your phone in airplane mode, and then check if you get a location... I'd do it, but my phone is currently updating to mango.
Not entirely sure what this rant is about to be honest. Just because bing maps is sh!t (which surprise surprise we all know...) doesn't mean that the inbuilt GPS receiver in the phone is useless?! Have you tried Gmaps yet?
As an alternative, why not download WinPhone Info for Mango and it will give you your exact location.
I use the GPS functionality quite often for work, because I have to see lots of different customers in London, on foot. Anyone who knows London, knows how narrow the streets are and how tall the buildings are. Worst case scenario for GPS, yet it works every time and it's very quick to find my location. Even though I think the rest of the phone is underwhelming, this is actually one of the features that works fine. If only Bing was up to Google Maps standards!
I'd like to know the best positioning for the handset it's set for 'line of sight view'.
I go cycling round the park often and I must admit it does not seem as accurate as it did with my old HD2. Could it just be down to construction.
It's the rom. I switch to Telstra rom and my gps is working fine now. The gps on tmobile rom never be able to track my location
Mine used GPS as it came from T-Mobile... in Airplane mode it received the location etc,. but maps can't update because they need a data signal to load their data. It does indeed have a TRUE GPS satellite receiver in it.
Shortly after the mango update, using the free GPSInfo app I managed to get it to tell me it had acquired a satellite signal rather than data only. It gave me altitude readings etc as well as accurate speed info.
Hurrah!
Now all I need is software equivalent/better than tomtom and I'll be a very happy bunny
I was using Navigon Select 2.0 / 3.0 on my HD7 on my holiday to Spain during the summer; for a whole two weeks I had the data connection disabled, and there was no phone reception in some of the mountaineous areas, yet the GPS functioned absolutely perfectly, getting the position quickly and accurately. So yeah there is definitely a proper GPS in the HD7.
My own recommendation for navigation on the HD7 (whether you have access to data or not) is Navigon Europe / USA (ie version 4 of Navigon Select). It's a bit pricey but is price-matched with proper navigation apps on iOS and Android. It does all the usual offline navigation that you would expect with proper POIs, rerouting, etc, but if you let it at your data connection it will also retrieve traffic data, Google Local business results, etc. You can also pin destinations to your Start screen (Home, for example). Absolutely brilliant.
pin point location works fine for me on bing... shows my house on arial view... and while on the move bingel and gmaps both work...
i dont understand why ppl are complaning..
Me too
This has a GPS, but it doesn't lock on very well (or sometimes ever) for me. I am using the T-Mobile version so that may be the problem. If you use the GPSInfo app, it will tell you if you are using AGPS or if you have actually acquired satellites. I have been able to acquire satellites a couple of times, but mostly it just sits there on AGPS mode. I was starting to really like this phone, but the GPS thing might just be a deal breaker for me.