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Hey guys, first of all I love this forum and the people here. It's amazing the kind of apps and roms you guys come up with!
An easy question for most you is, what do I need to take advantage of GPS (if there is one) in XPERIA?
Hi angle180,
You don't have to use a dataconnection for using the GPS.
I use Sygic routeplanner in my car, without dataconnection.
And that worked fine, untill my X1 decided to stop working...
GPS is a simple antenna so the use of it is free.
Now some programs will require money to use.
but for example i use garmin xt for naivigation.
only thing to pay for is the software and any updates for said software.
With all the software making use of the GPS it makes phones with them built in super powerful.
I'm amazed that the use of GPS is free - i'm supprised they dont charge for it because its such a powerful tool!
check here for some more apps to use it (in case you missed the thread)
Thanks guys!
"I'm amazed that the use of GPS is free - i'm supprised they dont charge for it because its such a powerful tool!"
they can't
they can't detect you are using it
it's broadcast like radio your gps device don't send anything it get a "ping", signal with it's own location, from 3-more gps satellites which they keep broadcasting and thats all they do
it calculate where it is from those signals
Rudegar said:
"I'm amazed that the use of GPS is free - i'm supprised they dont charge for it because its such a powerful tool!"
they can't
they can't detect you are using it
it's broadcast like radio your gps device don't send anything it get a "ping", signal with it's own location, from 3-more gps satellites which they keep broadcasting and thats all they do
it calculate where it is from those signals
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not entirely true.
example sirius and XM can charge you for the service. same as Dish network and other sat services.
but they charge you based on your box's serial number or smart card accessing the database.
but blah thats another story.
and in my opinion, when they discovered gps they had no clue what they were sitting on. so they made it free.
just like they guy who invinted the hanger. imagine if he / she put a patent on the design.
(clothes hanger)
nhvoltagenh said:
not entirely true.
example sirius and XM can charge you for the service. same as Dish network and other sat services.
but they charge you based on your box's serial number or smart card accessing the database.
but blah thats another story.
and in my opinion, when they discovered gps they had no clue what they were sitting on. so they made it free.
just like they guy who invinted the hanger. imagine if he / she put a patent on the design.
(clothes hanger)
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and now a days companies patent all and everything they can try and patent!
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and now a days companies patent all and everything they can try and patent!
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They even try and patent things they have no right to patent
Are there any apps that load full maps onto my gtab so I don't need to have a data connection to use my bt gps for navigation? As it is now, I believe Google navigation requires either wifi or tethering to work...
Co-pilot in market.
or you can find a version of motonav (basically igo 8.x) and maps from mobilism.org -- best 3d nav software out there that only requires gps, no data. map sets are ~1-2gb and you can get every single state and pretty much any country in the world now (teleatlas/navteq, mixed or whatever).
sort of tough for newbies to get really into customization, but i was huge into this on my past 2 mio devices, so if you need a hand drop me a line on here, no prob.
Thanks. I just dl'd co-pilot, but it says my trial is over, even though I entered my market order id.
I'll try motonav on my other machine and compare.
nonissan said:
Are there any apps that load full maps onto my gtab so I don't need to have a data connection to use my bt gps for navigation? As it is now, I believe Google navigation requires either wifi or tethering to work...
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I use Co-Pilot. It is in the market, and if you want it for here in the good old USA it only costs $4.99..
Not as refined as a Garmin but it works. There is also NDrive. More expensive, more refined, I have never used it though..
nonissan said:
Thanks. I just dl'd co-pilot, but it says my trial is over, even though I entered my market order id.
I'll try motonav on my other machine and compare.
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I went round and round with Co-Pilot about that. I had it on my phone and had de-activated it but it would not activate on my G tablet. They sent me a link to download directly from them. It worked with my registration info after that.
How hard would it be to get Google navigation setup with an external GPS unit? I'll probably be picking up a GTablet soon, and am wondering how hard it would be to setup it as a navigator. Could it be done (if so, how easily) by hooking it up with a GPS unit? (Yea, it already does what I want the tablet to do, but its 3+ years old and slooooow to run haha). That or I could use the GPS on my phone once I get it running (HTC Vogue).
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How hard would it be to get Google navigation setup with an external GPS unit? I'll probably be picking up a GTablet soon, and am wondering how hard it would be to setup it as a navigator. Could it be done (if so, how easily) by hooking it up with a GPS unit? (Yea, it already does what I want the tablet to do, but its 3+ years old and slooooow to run haha). That or I could use the GPS on my phone once I get it running (HTC Vogue).
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It is not hard to make GPS work with an external unit. Using Google Navigation though requires an internet connection since Google does not store the maps on your device. So you can use an external GPS receiver, and tether your phone for data. Or, there are ways to use the GPS in your phone and tether too. I have not tried it but hear it can be done.
BTW, I still have an ancient HTC Vogue that I run Android on too...
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It is not hard to make GPS work with an external unit. Using Google Navigation though requires an internet connection since Google does not store the maps on your device. So you can use an external GPS receiver, and tether your phone for data. Or, there are ways to use the GPS in your phone and tether too. I have not tried it but hear it can be done.
BTW, I still have an ancient HTC Vogue that I run Android on too...
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Yeah, my vogue has a slow data connection so I haven't bothered with any data-intense apps obviously like Google Nav. Guess I would need to get a different program on the Tab to hook up with the GPS unit itself. Any suggestions (preferable free ones haha?)
And w00t for another VogueDroider on here haha!
M 5hizzle said:
Yeah, my vogue has a slow data connection so I haven't bothered with any data-intense apps obviously like Google Nav. Guess I would need to get a different program on the Tab to hook up with the GPS unit itself. Any suggestions (preferable free ones haha?)
And w00t for another VogueDroider on here haha!
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I would prefer to use Google nav because it works really well. The Vogue does not have wifi though and I have not found a way to tether it using bluetooth. So I use a program called Co-Pilot. It is only $4.99 in the market for the US version but it can be a pain to get activated on the G tablet. ALK who makes the program sent me a link to a non market version that did install with my registration info. It works ok, but not as well as Google nav. Seems to be missing plenty of addresses that are not new and should be there. They do have a way to let them know what is missing but I don't know how often they update.
CoPilot
nonissan said:
Are there any apps that load full maps onto my gtab so I don't need to have a data connection to use my bt gps for navigation? As it is now, I believe Google navigation requires either wifi or tethering to work...
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Yes. I use CoPilot USA,$4.99 from the Market. You can download any or all US State maps for offline use. I use my DroidX as my BT receiver and it works like a charm. . . . I, too had trouble with activation. Had to send an email & call support Toni get it resolved.
Sprdtyf350 said:
I would prefer to use Google nav because it works really well. The Vogue does not have wifi though and I have not found a way to tether it using bluetooth. So I use a program called Co-Pilot. It is only $4.99 in the market for the US version but it can be a pain to get activated on the G tablet. ALK who makes the program sent me a link to a non market version that did install with my registration info. It works ok, but not as well as Google nav. Seems to be missing plenty of addresses that are not new and should be there. They do have a way to let them know what is missing but I don't know how often they update.
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Do you still have the link by any chance? I've tried 3 times on 2 gtabs, and each time it gives me error 703, my trial is over (even though I never took a trial).
nonissan said:
Do you still have the link by any chance? I've tried 3 times on 2 gtabs, and each time it gives me error 703, my trial is over (even though I never took a trial).
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Sent you a PM
Sprdtyf350, I am having the same problem could you please share the link with me too.
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Sprdtyf350, I am having the same problem could you please share the link with me too.
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PM sent.
I don't know if it is supposed to be a link for everyone or not or I would just post it.
No Joy with CoPilot
I purchased CoPilot through the Google Market place ($4.99 for USA) but no joy in installing it. Same 703 errors. Finally got through to someone in tech support (emails went unanswered) but their advice (basically wipe program and start again while downloading the maps separately onto my PC and then into the g-tablet) still resulted in errors. Since the holiday is coming up, this will probably not get solved in time for next weeks vacation/test run.
Oh well. For five bucks I wasn't expecting a lot and my MIO unit is still operational. Just hoping for some text to speech voice turns from my g-tablet. I will poke again after the holidays. Seems like a combination of the date not resetting or hard coded in the downloaded apk or authentification not getting out (since it is a wifi only machine; the program is expecting the telephone).
Unless anyone has any other suggestions?
success install after rom uprade
I installed latest ROM upgrade (3.1.1) and was able to get co-pilot installed and working. Combination of wiping user data and alk receiving gapps sales information.
No luck with John or Lisa. Anyone with hints for getting the voice portion working.
Hi guys,
I was wondering what combination of bluetooth devices i will need to get GPS functionality for my NC. Do i just need a bluetooth gps reciever?
Any link to products is appreciated!
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i do not have a smartphone
jleong89 said:
Hi guys,
I was wondering what combination of bluetooth devices i will need to get GPS functionality for my NC. Do i just need a bluetooth gps reciever?
Any link to products is appreciated!
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i do not have a smartphone
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http://www.appbrain.com/app/bluetooth-gps-provider/de.mobilej.btgps if you're using the new build/kernel with bluetooth working.
Otherwise, not going to work.
I have been able to successfully pair my NC with a Global Sat 352 bluetooth GPS receiver using CM nightly 17 and BlueGPS4droid. It works in Google Maps but the range is horrible, around 12 inches.
I have a really stupid question about this.
I don't see how it will work with just GPS.
I understand that GPS will give you location, but what about data for getting the maps?
When I'm using google maps on my blackberry or my wife's Iphone, it needs to download the map via data aside from just providing location.
Does the GPS do that as well?
Thanks for your patience.
hanbalfrek said:
I have a really stupid question about this.
I don't see how it will work with just GPS.
I understand that GPS will give you location, but what about data for getting the maps?
When I'm using google maps on my blackberry or my wife's Iphone, it needs to download the map via data aside from just providing location.
Does the GPS do that as well?
Thanks for your patience.
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You will need data connection (tethered to another phone if you are on the road) to use Google maps(navigation). There are a few programs (Navigon and Co Pilot Live are two I found)that install all the map data that they use to your SD Card so you don't need a data connection.
you need an external bluetooth gps receiver. Install the Program "Bluetooth GPS" to your nook and use it to connect the bluetooth GPS Receiver.
They are roughly $50+
It needs to be NMEA compatible.
chisleu said:
you need an external bluetooth gps receiver. Install the Program "Bluetooth GPS" to your nook and use it to connect the bluetooth GPS Receiver.
They are roughly $50+
It needs to be NMEA compatible.
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I have been able to use my windows phone using gps2blue and that works too for gps.
chisleu said:
you need an external bluetooth gps receiver. Install the Program "Bluetooth GPS" to your nook and use it to connect the bluetooth GPS Receiver.
They are roughly $50+
It needs to be NMEA compatible.
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so i do NOT need a data plan correct? that app + a receiver should allow me to use google maps gps (or other apps) on the road right?
jleong89 said:
so i do NOT need a data plan correct? that app + a receiver should allow me to use google maps gps (or other apps) on the road right?
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The latest version of Google Maps will download and cache your route if you plan it in advance while on a WiFi connection, however, I haven't had a lot of success retrieving that cache once I get on the road...and usually end up re-downloading the map over my data connection.
So the answer is: You PROBABLY DO NEED a data plan. Unless you buy map software that downloads all the maps locally, there are a few Apps in the market.
There's a Gmap cacher program that I use on my netbook.
Perhaps something similar (or another gps program with prebuilt maps) for the nook?
(I think it's absolutely ridiculous to require a data connection for any program like this, it can be done preloaded at home. I also despise requirements of cell phone data plans based on this premise.......)
I know this is a little off topic but there's an app that allows you to share your phones gps over wifi.
You install the host on your phone and the client is installed on your book.
I am going to search for it.....
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I found it! Its called tethergps by compton software.
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speedy1979 said:
I know this is a little off topic but there's an app that allows you to share your phones gps over wifi.
You install the host on your phone and the client is installed on your book.
I am going to search for it.....
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thanks but i do not have a smartphone or a phone that requires a data plan (just a regular txt talk camera phone ) but i am sure other's will appreciate the app you found!
joetrizeo said:
There's a Gmap cacher program that I use on my netbook.
Perhaps something similar (or another gps program with prebuilt maps) for the nook?
(I think it's absolutely ridiculous to require a data connection for any program like this, it can be done preloaded at home. I also despise requirements of cell phone data plans based on this premise.......)
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Backcountry Navigator can pre-download all kinds of different maps, OSM, Topo, etc..
great thanks guys! are there any particular gps receiver brands or chips that produce significantly better results than another?
anymore suggestions are welcome.
[URL="http://www.dealextreme.com/p/holux-m-1000-32-channel-bluetooth-car-gps-receiver-25563"]http://www.dealextreme.com/p/holux-m-1000-32-channel-bluetooth-car-gps-receiver-25563[/URL]
I'm looking at getting one of these guys from DealExtreme. The reviews are all pretty positive about the battery life, the speed, and it's ability to lock on to many satellites reliably.
I'm really close to pulling the trigger on one.
Working OK for me with my BT GPT-600 SiRF Star III GPS.
Range is about 3 feet, so that knida sucks, but same as all the rest of the BT range so far.
Same as this one:
http://compare.ebay.com/like/150572...fe1ec11&itemid=150572160930&ff4=263602_309572
Since I have an HTC EVO, I think I will still use the tetherGPS, so I can get the data along with it.
Is there anything like tetherGPS for other phone OSes (Blackberry, Windows Mobile, iOS)? I have a BB at the moment; they suck, but it does have a functional GPS chip.
thanks for the links guys. i will check them out
The ifixit teardown indicated the possibility of a GPS capable chip in the 7" model.
Anyone load a GPS app and see if you get any results?
Thanks!
Google Maps location doesn't work, and I have been unsuccessful sideloading any of the GPS apps I have available. All fail on install.
What about one of the free GPS apps on the Amazon app store, like:
http://www.amazon.com/EclipSim-GPS-...ps&ie=UTF8&qid=1348158531&sr=1-1&keywords=gps
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What about one of the free GPS apps on the Amazon app store, like:
http://www.amazon.com/EclipSim-GPS-...ps&ie=UTF8&qid=1348158531&sr=1-1&keywords=gps
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Hmm well interestingly enough that one installed. It took a while, but it gave me a coordinate read out as well (see screenshot, I blanked out my location but you can see what I mean). I'm not familiar with that app, so I don't know if it uses Wifi at all for determining location. It does have an option for "do not launch if GPS is not enabled" though and that is set by default. Yet, it works. You have my wondering now, I'll keep playing with some of the other apps I'm a bit more familiar with and see if I can get them to install.
The OS build might not have adequate drivers to run the GPS. This might get fixed once we get a different ROM....someday.
I have google maps up and running, though I believe it is functioning off wifi location, the location is off a little. I installed GPS satellite app and it launches, gives me data but does not show that it is picking up any satellites.
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I have google maps up and running, though I believe it is functioning off wifi location, the location is off a little. I installed GPS satellite app and it launches, gives me data but does not show that it is picking up any satellites.
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I got GPS Test Plus installed and see the same. It doesn't find any satellites, but it is indeed finding my location based on Wifi. Acurracy of only about 200 feet. Think we are SOL for now.
UPDATE: I am playing with it more (it has a handy green light when it has GPS signal) that is yellow with WIFI off, and Green with it on. Seems to indicate it only uses Wifi for location.
even if gps is on the chip, maybe there's no antenna ?
So far no joy on getting any sort of GPS working. I bought a TomTom BlueTooth GPS module and it will not pair with the Fire HD. I get a message saying that the BlueTooth device is not compatible. None of the apps to make it work will even install.
Amazon apparently went all out in preventing people from using GPS. From what I understand the Nook will allow you to use a BlueTooth GPS.
FWIW, I tried using Google Maps on the way to and from work the last few days, and it is starting to get pretty good at finding my location via WiFi. Most of the time it was showing me within a block of my actual location, and sometimes it was actually tracking me accurately, even showing me driving up to an intersection and stopping right at the intersection. It seems to get better every time I take the same route.
I did discover that the Fire HD has a magnetic compass and accelerometer. But the compass is not very reliable.
I have a sneaky suspicion that there were some lawyers involved in these decisions...
Amazon took it really out of their way to lock down their tablets. They don't want people to use anything that doesn't rely on their services. Such as maps, either it be google, Bing, tomtom, anything not made by them. Amazon never activated voice search, the potential is there (apk in system files) but until they make it used through their ecosystem, KFHD will probably never see it. They even make it annoying to change the keyboard. Supposedly according too their website, BT only works with headphones. That is a complete limitation and annoyance.
As for GPS, I can see it somewhat irrelevant on a device that is wifi only and was omitted, though I do enjoy it on my N7. Something, I believe it was hootsuite would constantly annoy me about location services when I had it turned off, as they claimed it was turned off via twitter and had no options and I had it off in my twitter. Location services on the KFHD killed my battery for some unknown reason.
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As for GPS, I can see it somewhat irrelevant on a device that is wifi only and was omitted, though I do enjoy it on my N7.
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How so? With Maps you can download your entire city to use offline. If you start Navigation while online, and give it a couple of minutes to cache the info, it will take you all the way to your destination offline. I tested this on a 5 hour trip, and the audible turn-by-turn took me all the way to the destination, even though in some places the map itself was blank, and it didn't know the name of the street or exit. "Take the exit on the right" instead of "Take exit 6" It was even able to do some limited rerouting offline (which is something fairly new)
Besides, now I have a MiFi and a phone with a portable HotSpot. .On long trips, however, I turn off the MiFi while underway unless I need a major reroute, or need to find something. On a long trip a few weeks ago, my wife called from our tax accountant's office and needed some info from an old bank statement. I was out in the middle of nowhere in Alabama, and I though I was going to have to drive to Birmingham to find a Wells Fargo. So I fired up the MiFi, and asked my N7 "Google...where is the nearest Wells Fargo?" and it found one in a small town less than 10 minutes away and led me straight there.
Driving in Atlanta drives me insane. Now with the MiFi and Google Maps, I can see where the stop-and-go traffic jams are and get around them.
Irrelevant??? Not hardly!
I REALLY wanted the GPS to work on the Fire HD because the pitiful speakers on the N7 aren't loud enough to hear turn-by-turn directions in heavy traffic or heavy rain, or while the radio is playing. And the washed out screen on the N7 makes it hard to make out the streets (white and yellow on off-white) They stand out much better on the Fire HD's screen.
Not everyone tethers data through their phone or device. Most cell phone plans still require additional payment services. I refuse to pay another $35-$40 a month just to tether data. If I want to use GPS, then I use my phone or my Garmin Nuvi, though I prefer google maps since they are mostly up to date.
Caching maps, ok, but you need to know exactly where you want to go. Without data, the GPS is useless unless you are using a strict GPS app to determine location only. Amazon took it out to reduce costs. While it's nice to have, it's irrelevant to their entertainment device, they don't want you to use maps anyways.
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Would it be possible to make a hack to enable spp bluetooth profile on KFHD. Because the tomtom bluetooth gps receiver uses that profile.
I have to completely agree with drhanley i wish i could have at least bluetooth gps on the kindle fire hd.
Drhanley have you seen in the android market bluetooth spp app make an app from the market could enable the spp profile needed for tomtom gps receiver ????????
Looking for opinions and suggestions for enabling texts and SMS messages to display on the MTCB unit while driving. What, if anything are you guys using?
I searched around already, and found one thread where someone was using tasker and other functions to get messages displayed on the unit from their phone, but that solution didn't appear to be very reliable.
Is there an app that everyone is using? Or am I just late to the party? lol
I realize quite a few of you are using 3G connections with your MTCB, so this conversation is more geared towards those utilizing their Bluetooth only phone connection.
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I realize quite a few of you are using 3G connections with your MTCB, so this conversation is more geared towards those utilizing their Bluetooth only phone connection.
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Even using a 3G/4G dongle cannot solve the SMS reception problem because these SMS are normally sent to the phone number, not to the 3G/4G SIM number. At most the dongle can be used to send SMS.
ATM no easy solution to this problem (and for social networks use too).
Have you looked at Tablet Talk? I'm not sure it would work over BT since the BT in these devices is locked down, but I believe there is also the option of using Wifi.
The other thread was mine and I was looking for the same thing
As mentioned above, I don't think it's actually possible with these units since it seems the Bluetooth is locked down. Can't remember the specific details but I'm sure it's to do with the Bluetooth service that handles the messages.
I could be wrong though but I know its not possible with tasker anyway and I don't think tablet talk works with Bluetooth cause I looked into that too. At the moment the way I do it is through data which as you say isn't quite as reliable
If you find anything though let me know
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The other thread was mine and I was looking for the same thing
As mentioned above, I don't think it's actually possible with these units since it seems the Bluetooth is locked down. Can't remember the specific details but I'm sure it's to do with the Bluetooth service that handles the messages.
I could be wrong though but I know its not possible with tasker anyway and I don't think tablet talk works with Bluetooth cause I looked into that too. At the moment the way I do it is through data which as you say isn't quite as reliable
If you find anything though let me know
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That's why I started this thread, to see if anyone had made any breakthroughs since your initial post. I went ahead and wasted the money on Tablet Talk, and I can confirm that the Bluetooth connection is the issue (Error Code:1) with our units. This seems like such a basic feature that Android would be capable of... my wife's Jeep does it automatically in Uconnect.
One thing I was considering trying with TabletTalk is to go into the factory settings, with the 126 password, and toggle around the Bluetooth type the unit is currently using. I know saving anything in this menu will effectively reset my unit, unless I save settings in Xposed, so I need a block of time to try it that I don't have right now. If it would even make a difference.
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That's why I started this thread, to see if anyone had made any breakthroughs since your initial post. I went ahead and wasted the money on Tablet Talk, and I can confirm that the Bluetooth connection is the issue (Error Code:1) with our units. This seems like such a basic feature that Android would be capable of... my wife's Jeep does it automatically in Uconnect.
One thing I was considering trying with TabletTalk is to go into the factory settings, with the 126 password, and toggle around the Bluetooth type the unit is currently using. I know saving anything in this menu will effectively reset my unit, unless I save settings in Xposed, so I need a block of time to try it that I don't have right now. If it would even make a difference.
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That's a good idea actually! If I get some free time I'll have a go