Hi all,
HTC has released a new version of Sense (2.5, the one with shortcuts on homescreen) for Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond 2. My friend has TP2 with the new sense and it was very smooth and fast (it was so fast that it really surprised me alot!), not like the Sense 2.5 ROMs released here which are laggy, slow and for me not ready for everyday use. I wonder if it's possible to have this version of Sense on THD as it has the same hardware as TP2... I also hope someone will make it with WM 6.1 as I don't like 6.5(.x), it would be really awesome
Most of the Manila 2.5s that are used here are from the Topaz Roms...
So why are they so slow? The one I saw on the friend's TP2 was even smoother and faster than old manila 2.1 on my THD and I've tried many 2.1 and 2.5 ROMs so far...
EDIT: I've look randomly in some threads with 2.5 ROMs and all of them said "Sense 2.5 Leo" which means it's from HD2...
it isn't just the manilla version. The TP2 has native WM 6.5 drivers, while our blackstone only has (modified) WM 6.1 drivers. That's the main reason for the Backstone being slower.
And it can't be fixed? Did anyone try just using TP2 drivers on THD? It has the same hardware so it may work and be fast...
I'm not sure, but I think if it was easy to do, someone would have done that a long time ago . I beleave the drivers need to be ported first. The problem is the HD doesn't have the exact same hardware as the Diamond 2 and the TP2; the amount of ROM and RAM are the same, as is the CPU clockspeed, but the chipsets are slightly different. Our blackstone has a Qualcomm 7201A chipset while the D2 and TP2 have the Qualcomm 7200a chipset (topic about this here).
You could try asking your question in the graphics driver development topic over at the rom development board if you want more information about this.
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I'm not sure, but I think if it was easy to do, someone would have done that a long time ago . I beleave the drivers need to be ported first. The problem is the HD doesn't have the exact same hardware as the Diamond 2 and the TP2; the amount of ROM and RAM are the same, as is the CPU clockspeed, but the chipsets are slightly different. Our blackstone has a Qualcomm 7201A chipset while the D2 and TP2 have the Qualcomm 7200a chipset (topic about this here).
You could try asking your question in the graphics driver development topic over at the rom development board if you want more information about this.
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I know this isn't quite what you guys were talking about but the TP2 (Rhodium) does have significantly different hardware to the HD: it has a hardware keyboard. I only point this out as it's indicative of the differences between the 2 devices. If the same software were released with specififc drivers to fit the 2 different sets of hardware they'd perform pretty similarly, but the HD has been left behind in support for WM 6.5. As a result Rhodium based roms (like my own rom) have to use 'hacks' or mods to get simple things like the volume keys to work correctly with the latest Sense manila builds. Ironically the HD2 has very similar hardware to the HD but is considerably more powerful; Leo based roms are designed to fit within a power range beyond anything the HD was ever designed to achieve, so they can suffer from slowdown.
It's a matter of personal taste with roms. The HD reached the pinnacle of it's support from HTC with manila (TF3D) 1.3 and WM 6.1 so that should be the ideal for perfromance. Manila 2.0 and 2.1 seem to work fast and well though, thanks to the good people of XDA and the other sites. Similarly WM 6.5 functions just fine on the HD. 6.5.x lacks drivers for certain functions (volume control). As for manila (Sense 2.5) the HD was never supported, though it seems to run fine but a little slow in places (HTC messaging probably bening the low point). My roms use Rhodium 2.5 manila because I find it to be faster. I have performed no benchmarking, just user experience, to come to this conclusion. It makes sense though when you accept that removing a few tabs will inevitably speed things up (documents, ereader and footprints are Leo exclusive for now) and that the Rhodium and Topaz 2.5 manila builds are (theoretically) optimized for non-snapdragon processors.
Well, I think I won't care about this stuff any more. HD is "outdated" and can't have Sense running really smooth and fast. I'll stick with classic today plugins (SPB Pocket Plus have tabs and switching between them is much faster than any manila/sense) replacing the functionality of manila thanks anyway for answers
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Hey,
Something that came in my mind when i was viewing the specs of the touch diamond 2 in comparison to our HD. They are pretty much the same apart from some hardware buttons (zoom slider), and screen size. Though both have WVGA resolution.
I was thinking when the so beloved "free update" to WM6.5 comes out for the diamond somewhere in the future. Wont that rom be directly installable for our HD? Since all the hardware is the same?. Would ease my mind a lot knowing that i can still have exactly the same
greetings.
I don't really see the point, we have great cookers here, so if you want WM6.5, you already can. Latest updates from Diamond 2 will be sure used to make a ROM.
For your question, a ROM from another device can't be installed without modifications.
There are quite a few ROMs in this section that use the diamond 2 and touch pro 2 new TF3D (topaz and rhodium) and quite a few also do windows mobile 6.5 however because it is still unreleased they are not completly stable and up to speed. this will most lightly change when WM6.5 is released.
there are also ROMs here that have both the ROMs in this section can all be flashed onto the Touch HD.
Maybe some of the the sofewares from Diamond2 can be used in HD rom,but I don't think the ROMS between two device can be used for each other directly.
No you can't update directly because the hardware is not the same. For example buttons, Gestures etc. While it is close to the same it will still require a cook to combine the two devices drivers and software together.
Funny!
I thinks the rom for the diamond 2 is not work in our HD,
hey guys,
i have tried, like, a million 6.5 roms that are posted on this forum but i havent found a single rom which is as fluent and smooth as 6.1. what is the reason behind that ?
is 6.5 ment to be that way or the device is not capable of handling it !
i saw a video of blackstone running 6.5 with manila 2.6 and it was flawless. even gSpot was working like butter. but when i tried a 6.5 rom with manila 2.6 and used the spot, it was like hell !!
could anyone answer why this is so !
i shall be greatfull
you wish, i gave up on that long time ago.
i a saw a webpage where it was showing that 6.5 was on average %20-%30 slower on a TouchDiamond2 on all benchmarks. ill see if i can find a link again and post it
X1 drivers pretty much suck (and HTC didn't let SonyEricsson write their own). Even with Neos2007's awesome efforts the X1 doesn't perform as well as the hardware is capable of.
Anyway, back to the point: Some of the 6.5 ROMs feel as fast as some of the 6.1 ROMs IMHO. The Valkyrie TR ROMs come to mind. I think some of the latest NRGZ ROMs are also smooth.
In terms of benchmarks, however, all the 6.5 ROMs seem to perform quite a bit worse in terms of graphics (~20% less), and just a little slower in other aspects (almost the same in RAM access, integer and float calculations).
I think the latest batch of 6.5 ROMs are usable on X1, but I tend to stay away since the volume control app sucks and the chefs haven't figured out how to replace it with the HTC one yet. Other than that I would be using a 6.5 ROM since the music playback seems smoother and I am a heavy music listener.
My 2 euro cents.
Hi all,
this is a really simple question. I'm using my Blackstone with a dated, but very reliable so far, Dutty's ROM v1.2 , never had a problem with it.
My question is: apart from getting the newest, cutting edge technology o.s. version for my phone, is there any really true advantages (features, performance and reliability, I'm relatively interested at fancy graphics) in upgrading to one of the newest ROMs? I'm talking 6.5.x.
Thanks!
ybraz said:
Hi all,
this is a really simple question. I'm using my Blackstone with a dated, but very reliable so far, Dutty's ROM v1.2 , never had a problem with it.
My question is: apart from getting the newest, cutting edge technology o.s. version for my phone, is there any really true advantages (features, performance and reliability, I'm relatively interested at fancy graphics) in upgrading to one of the newest ROMs? I'm talking 6.5.x.
Thanks!
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there is plenty of 6.5.1 around, they have each their own thread, so any concerns and problems encountered you can find solutions there. but be WARNED Win 6.5.x ROMs are generally sloooower than Win 6.5 ROMS, also Man 2.5 (HTC Leo) ROMs tends to be slower than HTC Sense Man 2.1 ROMs like the official update for the Rhodium.
I suggest you start with Win 6.5 and a Rhodium Port, like Miri V32, or Topix Vanilla Series Rhodium 24Nov release, which is to me the most stable and fastest ROM around, it would not surprise you that its thread isnt always at the top, as many who has tried it has not had so much of a problem, mostly praises for how good the ROM is.
have you flashed a cooked ROM before? I recommend to use USPL 2.5
All flashing queries should be posted in this thread
Personally I find the latest builds including 6.5.1 and manila 2.5 more finger friendly, especially latest builds 23xxx, 28xxx etc with buttons at bottom. Yes they are slightly slower, but this is due to Leo 1.48 which is meant for the HD2 (Leo) and not the HD. The CPU for the HD is not as good as the HD's. If you want the latest you have to pay with a 'slightly' slower rom. IMHO its worth it but. Best advice for you would be to try them and make your own conclusion!!
Hi there,
Title says everything.
I know that the HD2 Leo has a bigger processor then our HD, but with (lots of) tweaks on Manila 2.5, will it ever be possible that it runs smooth?
I mean, scrolling in photo's and music in landscape modus in manila is too laggy to use now..
I'm not a ROM cooker, so excuse me if this is a silly question.
I don't believe it can ever come close to running as well on the Leo but I've tried a bunch of them and Flashmore runs pretty dang well on it imho. I've played with the Leo and if the speed of it is a 10 on there Flashmore runs at 7 on ours.
Eventually i think it will. imo the last few versions that leaked have improved on speed and stability. Especially browsing pictures in landscape feels quicker by the build so lets hope it will keep improving. Also some focussing on tweaking the drivers of the blackstone could help us keep up with things
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Eventually i think it will. imo the last few versions that leaked have improved on speed and stability. Especially browsing pictures in landscape feels quicker by the build so lets hope it will keep improving. Also some focussing on tweaking the drivers of the blackstone could help us keep up with things
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Ok, really good to hear! Hope it will then
Else I would almost consider to buy a HD2
I think i've tried all the versions at some point in different ROMS and I have to say it IS getting faster imo.
I think there will alwasy be a gap between how it performs on a LEO to our Blackstone, mainly due to the amount of opitimisation HTC can apply over what the guys here can. Things like graphics drivers and API's.
It is more than usable in the most recent versions and hopefully it will become better and better.
To be honest I think alot of people are going off WM anyway and starting to look at Android as a quicker and smotther OS. At least until WM7 is released...sometime....ahhh...in ummmm let me think....nope 2010 sometime!
Logicalstep
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To be honest I think alot of people are going off WM anyway and starting to look at Android as a quicker and smotther OS.
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Doing the same i'm really fed up of winmo sluggishness, even the alpha android builds that are coming from #htc-linux are faster...
Logicalstep said:
To be honest I think alot of people are going off WM anyway and starting to look at Android as a quicker and smotther OS. At least until WM7 is released...sometime....ahhh...in ummmm let me think....nope 2010 sometime!
Logicalstep
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Hmm, maybe android works a lot faster, but I just really like Touchflow, if the animations in landscape music and pictures (and everything else in manila) works flawless, I think I stick to WM and Manila.
Cause in android, you wont have nice animations.. or do you?
the latest builds are getting better and better. all we need is good drivers and little overcloking of the cpu. at 600 Mhz it will be enough to run manilla 2.5 without problems. must say that i tried HD2 and you really need big hands to handle it. our beloved HD has the perfect mensurations.
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must say that i tried HD2 and you really need big hands to handle it. our beloved HD has the perfect mensurations.
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totally agree with you! HD2 is way too big for me, I just love the design of our lovely blackstone
otherwise I think I would have bought the HD2..
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Eventually i think it will. imo the last few versions that leaked have improved on speed and stability. Especially browsing pictures in landscape feels quicker by the build so lets hope it will keep improving. Also some focussing on tweaking the drivers of the blackstone could help us keep up with things
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I hope for the same outcome, but we have to remember that the Leo ROMs were designed for use on the HD2 hence the reason for why they run so smoothly on that device, which has a bigger processor, more RAM, etc.
If I could afford it, the only reason for why I would want to upgrade to the HD2 would be for a potential Windows 7 ROM release - something which is unlikely to happen on the HD in my opinion.
Regards.
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If I could afford it, the only reason for why I would want to upgrade to the HD2 would be for a potential Windows 7 ROM release - something which is unlikely to happen on the HD in my opinion.
Regards.
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I think the moment Windows 7 will be out for the HD2 (probably at the end of 2010) there will be much better devices on the market than the HD2, so no use if you buy one now
It can't become as smooth as 2.1. It might be improved, yes, 2.5 was very poor on blackstone at first versions, now it's just poor (talking about speed). I think it's windows 6.5's problem rather than manila. For example there is big difference between two topix roms, wm6.5 and wm6.1 (both are manila 2.1).
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It can't become as smooth as 2.1. It might be improved, yes, 2.5 was very poor on blackstone at first versions, now it's just poor (talking about speed). I think it's windows 6.5's problem rather than manila. For example there is big difference between two topix roms, wm6.5 and wm6.1 (both are manila 2.1).
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so, maybe WM 6.1 with manila 2.5..?
think I rather have a slower manila.. Really don't like WM6.1
Hmm, maybe android works a lot faster, but I just really like Touchflow, if the animations in landscape music and pictures (and everything else in manila) works flawless, I think I stick to WM and Manila.
Cause in android, you wont have nice animations.. or do you?
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Umm yes Android has the lovely animations and they work super smooth on the Hero. the screen transitions from basic settings screen are even nice.
Windows mobile just has that horrible lag when swithcing between any app or screen. The kind of thing the Iphone and android doesn't have.
It may only be a small lag (half a second) but it makes WM look old and slow.
Also you have to remember that the hardware is required by Andorid to have OpenGL ES 2 support, which mean properly implimented drivers. 6.5 doesn;t.
I read alsi that it looks like windows 7 will only support the snapdragon CPU (although I can't see that actually being the case)
Logicalstep
I think Leo is so big!! and its battery could be better.... Our blackstone is the best device...! I think HTC Bravo with Android could be better than our loved Blackstone...
I use leo26 v4 with m2.5.. and I think the manila is running well.. lets wait manila 2.6. and in march wm7!!
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It can't become as smooth as 2.1. It might be improved, yes, 2.5 was very poor on blackstone at first versions, now it's just poor (talking about speed). I think it's windows 6.5's problem rather than manila. For example there is big difference between two topix roms, wm6.5 and wm6.1 (both are manila 2.1).
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Dude you are running 1,5 OS on your device (wm + manila)...so no wonder why it's lame...just give a try to BlackDragonROM...it's as smooth as manila 2.5 can be...do not know if you will like it...but it's smooth. I also prefer android...had a new motorolla last week in my hands...it was smooth as hell...but the downside was...no apps...just a few google apps. They are all online apps...and I am living new france boarder...so online apps can be really expensive in those regions.
Wait for dualcore processors
Qualcomm will in near future release dual core processors with low power consumption. It can go as fast as 2 GHz!!
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/11/13/qualcomm.snapdragon.2.core/
http://www.articlesbase.com/busines...lcore-processor-challenges-intel-1367074.html
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Qualcomm will in near future release dual core processors with low power consumption. It can go as fast as 2 GHz!!
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/11/13/qualcomm.snapdragon.2.core/
http://www.articlesbase.com/busines...lcore-processor-challenges-intel-1367074.html
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i think these are more likely to go in low power laptops/netbooks than a mobile device. 1ghz is more than adequate at this point in time and this is before alot of the stuff is even optimised for a processor of this speed.
about ROMs though, i have to agree with the guy on the first page. the flashmore ROM is seriously a smooth manilla 2.5 wm6.5 rom. it impressed me to the point that ive even left topix 2.8 (arguably the fastest blackstone ROM ever) for it. landscape photo and and music tabs wont ever be smooth as the drivers for the blackstone are such that there is a huge fps drop going from portrait to landscape (think what happens in opera) so even if the blackstone had the power, it is let down by drivers and theres nothing we can do about that.
but yea, an interesting question raised by the OP and im glad i took the time to look around the new manilla 2.5 roms.
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Windows 7 ROM release - something which is unlikely to happen on the HD in my opinion.
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Wow you say this in Manilla 2.5 related thread on a ROM cooking forum...
...where WinMo 6.5.3 is available for HD
just saying
anyway back on topic i go
try this, people report Manila speed increase even on HD
also as people say different ROMs work better, the one i currently use works VERY well, i enjoy it
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about ROMs though, i have to agree with the guy on the first page. the flashmore ROM is seriously a smooth manilla 2.5 wm6.5 rom. it impressed me to the point that ive even left topix 2.8 (arguably the fastest blackstone ROM ever) for it.
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Hmm, think I will give Flashmore a try then
Although..I red that the 1.6 Rev3 don't support the landscape modus in the Photo and Music tab? Cause he deleted the Diamond2 Gsensor configuration..?
Thanks everyone for discussing about this subject
EDIT: So I flashed Flashmore 1.6 Rev3.. Ok, manila is fast, but not faster as Mikenificent 7.0 I did install some 3rd apps to test if it would run fast with them..
So back to Mikenificent 7.0 then
Guys,
Could you rank a few ROMs from best to leats on a ascale from 1-10. 10 being the most stalbele and best rom and 1 being the least?
I say Agent´s Leo 23517
i say that you couldnt scale these roms as they are made by the chef for the chef and choose to release them to us to try them out why dont u download a few and try them out some u will like some u wont try them till you find one u do like.
marky01
6.1 or 6.5
Well i'd give a 9-10 to [2009-12-09][WWE][ROM] Touch X 10.9.1 (WM6.1/Manila 2.1.19202517) NUTS!
As it works perfectly without any issue ; no freeze and perfect for a day to day use.
& a 7.5-8 to [26 NOV 09 | SEX1 R5.07]
It is good but not all X2 stuff works as it should but smooth and sleek interface and it is a 6.5.
I've tried many other but had problems (freezing, no landscape, unstable..etc)
another 9/10 for [2009-12-09][WWE][ROM] Touch X 10.9.1 (WM6.1/Manila 2.1.19202517) NUTS!
I have a couple of minor issues with the weather tab in this ROM, but they are minor. It is a stunning piece of work. It has Sense (Manila 2.1) on WM6.1, a very good compromise of Manila features and 6.1 speed/stability.
I would also give a 8/10 for its predecessor, 10.8.1 Very fast and stable, one point less since the Manila version is not as pretty
I would give 6/10 for Itje's Touch IT 10.4 I reflashed it a few times, but it was never particularly stable for me.
(Once flashed, I customise with a lot of different apps)
It may be an unfair comment, but look at the number of pages each ROM thread has. This is a fair indication of popularity. Also, I'm pretty sure there is a similar thread to this, already.
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I say Agent´s Leo 23517
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I think 11.01.10] Touch-IT BL Landscape - Build 21889
bugfree, fery fast, & stable.
Valkyire too much error & bug...
Very good post!
I would give Touch-It BL Landscape 9/10 points if it was a bit more stable and if TomTom would work on it!
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I think 11.01.10] Touch-IT BL Landscape - Build 21889
bugfree, fery fast, & stable.
Valkyire too much error & bug...
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not quite:
1st videoplayback is almost as is not working
2nd the included opera does not support hardware keyboard, you must install another version on top of the already cooked one
3nd the soft keyboard has a major bug when you add a number to contact it gets stucked in numerical mode and you must edit registry to get it back.
However is a matter of tastes and how you use ur phone daily. The most stable roms are those with manila 2.1 and winmo 6.5 build 218xxx or winmo 6.1
Valkyrie is ok but suffers from SoD but some users here are making progress in ironing this out
EnergyRom is ok too, especially the one w/ manila 2.1, for 2.5 you have to install sms client / patch it and also you'll not have manila docs working
A very good rom if you dont care for manila is X2 ported rom from jerpelea
And many other, those 4 I speak of ive tested myself in the last month and thats why I spoke of them
EnergyROM "Leo" 21885 Sense 2.5
10/10 - Best rom ever! Increased my battery time and signal enormous. Eye candy, fast, stable and landscape works
The other ones i've tried are already mentioned.
strix75 said:
I say Agent´s Leo 23517
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+1 for this
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Valkyrie is ok but suffers from SoD but some users here are making progress in ironing this out
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I'm using valkyrie v5.5.23517 with HTC Sense running since it was uploaded and I haven't had the SoD once. I use my phone for TomTom, Video Calling, Calling, Browsing the net, Texting with the Windows Mobile Client. But I have turned off the Twitter, Email and Documents Tabs off in HTC Sense. Using this to get all Background 4 all tabs with landscape has made it the best Manila Rom I have used on the X1.
I've tried the different versions EnergyRoms I could never get passed the splash screen that's probably my fault.
With Touch-IT BL Landscape - Build 21889 I can't live without the hardware keyboard in Opera.
hmm for me - all the roms posted here are great and the most stable roms around tends to change every now and then. newer roms from the same chef may not be the most stable or greatest as all chefs are experimenting as well.
currently these are my fav:
1. gtrab sex1 r5.07. not so eye candy but very usable & stable. minimal crashes. (nice to have xperia dialer, i miss wm6.5.3)
2. christian 3.7 & 4.0 clean (had problem with 3.8 & 3.9 but so far 4.0 working great ..... nice big finger friendly menu and best of all xperia dialer. miss htc task manager though)
3. energy rom with manila 2.1 (nice eye candy and stable)
Have to go with Touh-X 10.9.1 myself. I've tried a few different roms, found WM6.5 to be inherently unstable on my Xperia, And Mr. Rusch's implementation of Manilla 2.1 is amazing. The Rom runs at lightspeed, have not had a single crash. My only complaint about it is that I've lost the seemless integration of manila's in-built SMS util. If I wish to use it, I need to go through contacts -> open contact, slide to messages.
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another 9/10 for [2009-12-09][WWE][ROM] Touch X 10.9.1 (WM6.1/Manila 2.1.19202517) NUTS!
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+ 1 for this!
+1 for pure rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594278
What do you call 'best'?!
I've been a fan of the EnergyROM "Leo" series for a while (if you want Manila.) They seemed to be reliable and stuffed full of eye candy.
Not NRGZ28's fault but the Leo Manila has been pretty buggy for ages and I got fed up with it and went back to the PURE WM6.5 that was released on 26 Nov 2009. Its been faultless and I'd recommend it if you simply want WinMo 6.5 on your X1. I've used it since its release date without any problems.
Over Xmas I got caught up in the X2 excitement and have installed jerpelea's 'test' ROMs. His 007 is the first 'FINAL' build I can live with (the earlier ones kept hanging on me) but its full of X2 eye candy and functionality and I'm finding it runs better over time - weird but true.
Depends what you mean by 'best' I suppose, TF3D ROMs have the HTC look and feel but are generally a bit buggy, a clean WM6.5 has the new WinMo look and feel and should be more reliable, and an X2 ROM is likely to be buggy but have the new Xperia eye candy!
EDIT: Whatever ROM you flash, make sure you hard-reset afterwards to give it a fighting chance of performing well! Personally I tend to hard-reset a couple of times as I've had some issues when only doing it the once with some custom ROMs.
Whats the best WM 6.5 rom 21xxx version with manila 2.1?
There' no best ROM out there...
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Whats the best WM 6.5 rom 21xxx version with manila 2.1?
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The best ROM is the one you like and feel confortable with.
I've long been a fan of Manilla, be it 2, 2.1 or 2.5 Leo/Sense.
As far as stability and battery life is concerned I found the older versions of Energy (september) and the 3.8 versions of valkyrie to be more to my liking; the current line-up from both cooks are still fine though.
Unfortunately, most of the "improvements" come not with tweaks to stabilize the existing ROM, but generaly consist of updates, upgrades and new applications = new bugs/issues;
I am by no means disrespectfull, on the contrary, I am gratefull for the immense contribution of these cooks to the community.
After some dissapointing isuues with 3 Leo versions (ijte, valkyrie and energy) I am very happy with jerpelea's X2 007 (not that it is bug free but I find it fast and usable).
Good luck hunting out there and support the chefs!
Agent 47 - Leo 23517
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+ 1 here too!!!!
Currently for me it is the best 2.5 with landscape support. All works fine and no SOD since a couple of tweeks including radio update 1.16. 25.48.
Cheers
For 100% bug free, fast and stable you need to be looking at older ROM's i.e. WM 6.1 and you also need to define whether you want Manila or just WM. There are so many different variations you cannot just say 'which is best'. It always depends on what you as the user want.
I have tried many diferent ROM's, mainly Agent 47, NRG and Itje but have always migrated back to Agents ones as I find they suit me better but I like the cutting edge stuff, Manila 2.5 is my favourite UI so I am definately into Valkyrie Leo 23517.
The only way is to try a few and see which one you like but be warned you could turn into a flashaholic!
Jase E