Hey,
Something that came in my mind when i was viewing the specs of the touch diamond 2 in comparison to our HD. They are pretty much the same apart from some hardware buttons (zoom slider), and screen size. Though both have WVGA resolution.
I was thinking when the so beloved "free update" to WM6.5 comes out for the diamond somewhere in the future. Wont that rom be directly installable for our HD? Since all the hardware is the same?. Would ease my mind a lot knowing that i can still have exactly the same
greetings.
I don't really see the point, we have great cookers here, so if you want WM6.5, you already can. Latest updates from Diamond 2 will be sure used to make a ROM.
For your question, a ROM from another device can't be installed without modifications.
There are quite a few ROMs in this section that use the diamond 2 and touch pro 2 new TF3D (topaz and rhodium) and quite a few also do windows mobile 6.5 however because it is still unreleased they are not completly stable and up to speed. this will most lightly change when WM6.5 is released.
there are also ROMs here that have both the ROMs in this section can all be flashed onto the Touch HD.
Maybe some of the the sofewares from Diamond2 can be used in HD rom,but I don't think the ROMS between two device can be used for each other directly.
No you can't update directly because the hardware is not the same. For example buttons, Gestures etc. While it is close to the same it will still require a cook to combine the two devices drivers and software together.
Funny!
I thinks the rom for the diamond 2 is not work in our HD,
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Someone was auctioning Diamond with the HD os in it, and said its faster than the touchflo in Diamonds.
Is this true and is it worth trying to install HD's touchflo to a regular Diamon? How is it done?
hi
It's true that the Touch HD roms has been ported to the Diamond, as far as the touch HD being faster, i think it depends on user base, as i've ported the touchflo from quartz and blackstone and they seem faster to me. Also do try to flash the touch hd roms to your diamond, u'll end up bricking them.
Hi guys,
today I talked to an HTC guy on the CeBIT convention in Hannover. I asked him about the release of Windows Mobile 6.5 for the Diamond 1 and he said that he is sure it will come as an update for the Diamond aswell. Diamond 2 will get the update, too. I tested the Diamond 2 today and I must say: AWESOME!!! That thing is so extremely fast in TouchFlo 3D. I had my Diamond 1 in one hand and the Diamond 2 in the other and now I could throw away my Diamond The new Menu for programs is nice, too. All together the Diamond 2 is much better than the Diamond and I think I will sell my Diamond 1 and buy the Diamond 2.
Greetz Frozen-GPU
did you tell him about the release date of diamond2 ?
is it on march or april ?
In fact he couldn't give me a final answer on this I guess he was not the right one to answer the question Only a salesman i think. But in my opinion it's worth waiting for Touch Diamond 2, no matter if it'll be released this or next month. There was another guy buggin' him with stupid questions about connecting HTC devices over bluetooth to his car hands free, so I left without asking more questions...
I mean no disrespect to you, but I really hope that you found the only (IMHO) honest and knowledgeable telephone company salesperson.
That in itself would be an awesome discovery, much more incredible than the 6.5 upgrade for the Diamond
That could be true...
Maybe I better wrote another title for this topic: "Diamond 2 - WOW! Windows Mobile 6.5 on Diamond 1: Very possible!"
Salesmen are really clever, but not in giving technical information
i hope this is true because there are rumors poping up that wm6.5 will only be avaiable for phones with a hardware windows start button
WIMO 6.5 on Diamond 1 not likely
The word from Microsoft is that ONLY the phones with Windows button will ever be supported as a Windows Mobile 6.5 platform. I'd say that minimizes the chance that HTC will take the time and money to develop a 6.5 rom for an old device that will probably be end of life soon.
yet tested our beloved device with a pre wm6.5 and it's too much sloooow and crappy too
I think wm6.5 needs more ram, perhaps could be sane on diamond2 but right now isn't ready to be used on diamond1
Start button?
i don't see why MS is saying it HAS to have a start button. the Diamond had 9 hardware buttons (if the whole pad is broken down into all its functions) i'm sure that one of those buttons could be allocated for that use
Jazebbi said:
i don't see why MS is saying it HAS to have a start button. the Diamond had 9 hardware buttons (if the whole pad is broken down into all its functions) i'm sure that one of those buttons could be allocated for that use
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I totally agree with that Put a Windows Logo sticker over the "Home" Hardwarebutton and voila ^^
I have to admit I'm a bit puzzled as to why this is a stumbling block. WinMo 6.5 will presumably be a whole new ROM and I imagine would have a few chefs cooking with it. We've seen that it will work on Diamond, it should be simple enough to map a single button to make it work.
Shouldn't it?
Winmo 6.5 on Diamond...
not sure if I am toe-stepping, or pointing out what everyone already know, but there's a winmo 6.5 beta for the diamond here ->
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=481896
havent given it a go yet, as my Diamond isn't really expendable (work phone i'd be shot for messing up) but it seems though good progress has been made!
mark14 said:
not sure if I am toe-stepping, or pointing out what everyone already know, but there's a winmo 6.5 beta for the diamond here ->
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=481896
havent given it a go yet, as my Diamond isn't really expendable (work phone i'd be shot for messing up) but it seems though good progress has been made!
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Yeah Windows Mobile 6.5 BETA has been released from several cookers, but I was talking about native support for WM6.5 on the HTC Touch Diamond. Even if HTC won't update the Diamond, the cookers here will release it for us, that's for sure But it would be nice if HTC gives an official update for the Diamond 1.
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Yeah Windows Mobile 6.5 BETA has been released from several cookers, but I was talking about native support for WM6.5 on the HTC Touch Diamond. Even if HTC won't update the Diamond, the cookers here will release it for us, that's for sure But it would be nice if HTC gives an official update for the Diamond 1.
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I think it is unlikely: no windows start key (which is not needed of course, but it is an advertising trick from microsoft, which imho is fearing the lack of image associated to WinMo compared to the new kids in town (android, OSX, WebOS), and is trying to get smartphone manufacturer to provide some free advertising - equivalent to "Windows Vista compatible" on the PC peripherals for example), so probably HTC will not get the OK from Microsoft on this one. Morerover, it is not sure HTC would do it even if they could (except maybe for the touch HD): Diamond2 and Pro2 will be out before WinMo6.5, so upgrading only the latest model is a way to force the previous ones (TD1/TP1) into obsolescence...especially as the specs are not so different, so any differentiation is good to get...
TouchHD successor seems further away, possibly after the release of the first 6.5 devices, or the 6.5 upgrade for TD2/TP2...so I guess official touch HD upgrade is maybe possible...
There's not going to be an update for "old Ht'c like de Touch Diamond, Touch Pro and Touch HD...
I've tried both and got a question :
Why the interface of miri's WM6.5 is worse than Dutty's ? Isn't WM6.5 more latest than WM6.1 ?
Could anyone please make it clear here ? Thanks in advance !
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I've tried both and got a question :
Why the interface of miri's WM6.5 is worse than Dutty's ? Isn't WM6.5 more latest than WM6.1 ?
Could anyone please make it clear here ? Thanks in advance !
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Which interface are you talking about?
I do prefer WinMo 6.5 interface over 6.1.
There are two main changes (visual wisse) on WinMo 6.5 which is the main screen where you have Titanium and the start menu.
On WinMo 6.5 things tend to be more finger friendly than in WinMo 6.1.
As I said before, I do prefer how things are going from 6.1 to 6.5.....
Duttys uses HTC components and they've made an effort to make everything more finger friendly. They've been at it a while, we're currently @ version 3. A good effort i must say Manilla especially the newer versions w/ the new start menu are truly a pleasure to use and have made a considerable difference to the overall experience of the Touch HD.
It's biggest flaw i feel personally is that HTC didn't think to make Manilla customizable at even the basic level of allowing backgrounds on all the level 0 tabs.
Miri's wm 6.5 is straight from Microsoft, who are just now attempting to make the OS more finger friendly and though its newer it is sadly not as refined or cohesive. If we could get a 6.5 rom w/ the new manilla minus the new htc start menu, but with htc notifications & menus, htc dialer, htc calculator ( lets just say all the htc apps) we'd have a really refined looking rom.
wsouza said:
Which interface are you talking about?
I do prefer WinMo 6.5 interface over 6.1.
There are two main changes (visual wisse) on WinMo 6.5 which is the main screen where you have Titanium and the start menu.
On WinMo 6.5 things tend to be more finger friendly than in WinMo 6.1.
As I said before, I do prefer how things are going from 6.1 to 6.5.....
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Sorry for my English !
I mean the popup interface when a function button is touched. Dutty's is very smooth & clear, including fonts, and you can touchflo it, but WM6.5's is not...
DRTigerlilly said:
Duttys uses HTC components and they've made an effort to make everything more finger friendly. a good effort i must say Manilla especially the newer versions w/ the new start menu are truly a pleasure to use and have made a considerable difference to the overall experience of the Touch HD.
It's biggest flaw i feel personally is that HTC didn't think to make Manilla customizable at even the basic level of allowing backgrounds on all the level 0 tabs.
Miri's wm 6.5 is straight from Microsoft and though its newer it is sadly not as refined. If we could get a 6.5 rom w/ the new manilla minus the new start menu, htc notifications & menus, htc dialer, htc calculator ( lets just say all the htc apps) we'd have a really refined looking rom.
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Thanks man, you got the point!
abc138 said:
I mean the popup interface when a function button is touched. Dutty's is very smooth & clear, including fonts, and you can touchflo it, but WM6.5's is not...
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Why is a modern VW Beetle slower then an old Porsche? Because they are different cars...
Main difference :
Duttys 6.1: Uses latest, finger friendly HTC Touch Flo software. HTC sell phones. So they (kind of) care about the customer experience.
6.5: By Microsoft. The Windows mobile team totally lost the plot a few years ago lost touch with modern smartphone interface design. 6.5 is a deperate stop-gap until they get 7 out. I think that's enough said, isn't it ?
I tested almost all ROM's from here and the one i found with not so many bugs is that from Laurentius26.
Miri's ROM it's nice but have many bugs , last version i try it's V4 Premium and as you see in his post have many bugs but it's faster (33-35%)
That from Laurentius26 it's not so fast (40-45%) but doesn't have so many bugs so untill miri will improve his version i'll stay and old wwe 6.1
I think this thread should be closed. You are comparing two different operating systems so they are not the same and to put them into a comparison is doing any thing good for either cook.
My 2cts worth
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Main difference :
Duttys 6.1: Uses latest, finger friendly HTC Touch Flo software. HTC sell phones. So they (kind of) care about the customer experience.
6.5: By Microsoft. The Windows mobile team totally lost the plot a few years ago lost touch with modern smartphone interface design. 6.5 is a deperate stop-gap until they get 7 out. I think that's enough said, isn't it ?
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Thanks furrypotato, you've given me what I'd been looking for!
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I tested almost all ROM's from here and the one i found with not so many bugs is that from Laurentius26.
Miri's ROM it's nice but have many bugs , last version i try it's V4 Premium and as you see in his post have many bugs but it's faster (33-35%)
That from Laurentius26 it's not so fast (40-45%) but doesn't have so many bugs so untill miri will improve his version i'll stay and old wwe 6.1
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Thanks for your valuable experience LuCkYaN, maybe I should try Laurentius26's, Dutty's still has ringtone problem...
And Laurentius26 still have bug on ringtone, you can not change ringtone.
p.s. somebody a little up said this thread should be closed in my oppinion have right and not
1. yes users should enter everyone rom thread and see what bug have and if he want will install if no should search another one
2. no because as i did i don't find a thread like this on this part of forum and start to flashing with all roms to see what's new what that have and don't and was good for me but for a new user who join and don't have time to flash all the time and want one good and stable rom to know where to go
On Miri's thread a guy said he want a rom simple without nothing that who came from HTC without bugs but isn't here something like that. In my oppinion if somebody have that ROM i want to post here because came a time when i'll be bored to flash all the time and i just want a rom who to be stable (as i allready said this is my oppinion without upset somebody all ROM's Dutty / Laurentius26 / Miri are good and i apreciate they'r effort )
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And Laurentius26 still have bug on ringtone, you can not change ringtone.
p.s. somebody a little up said this thread should be closed in my oppinion have right and not
1. yes users should enter everyone rom thread and see what bug have and if he want will install if no should search another one
2. no because as i did i don't find a thread like this on this part of forum and start to flashing with all roms to see what's new what that have and don't and was good for me but for a new user who join and don't have time to flash all the time and want one good and stable rom to know where to go
On Miri's thread a guy said he want a rom simple without nothing that who came from HTC without bugs but isn't here something like that. In my oppinion if somebody have that ROM i want to post here because came a time when i'll be bored to flash all the time and i just want a rom who to be stable (as i allready said this is my oppinion without upset somebody all ROM's Dutty / Laurentius26 / Miri are good and i apreciate they'r effort )
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That's what I want to say too, thank you again, LuCkYaN!!!
DRTigerlilly said:
Duttys uses HTC components and they've made an effort to make everything more finger friendly. They've been at it a while, we're currently @ version 3. A good effort i must say Manilla especially the newer versions w/ the new start menu are truly a pleasure to use and have made a considerable difference to the overall experience of the Touch HD.
It's biggest flaw i feel personally is that HTC didn't think to make Manilla customizable at even the basic level of allowing backgrounds on all the level 0 tabs.
Miri's wm 6.5 is straight from Microsoft, who are just now attempting to make the OS more finger friendly and though its newer it is sadly not as refined or cohesive. If we could get a 6.5 rom w/ the new manilla minus the new htc start menu, but with htc notifications & menus, htc dialer, htc calculator ( lets just say all the htc apps) we'd have a really refined looking rom.
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DRTigerLilly, say's it here, quite right. We must remember also these are Beta's. Dutty has done a fantastic job, both have to test and make the best of Widows and HTC interfaces.
I think you are right to ask and we struggle on to make the perfect ROM
Well done people!
I tested both as well and while i LOVED the 6.5 interface there were still too many bugs. So i switched to Dutty 2.3 (Winmo 6.1) but the one thing i HATE there is the new start menu.. i mean the old drop down was the thing i was really used to...so please can any1 tell me how to get that back on without changing roms? and also the new camera app is and duttys installer for old camera isint working .... any fix for that?? PLZ help me out...i hate new menu
sephiroth_vg said:
PLZ help me out...i hate new menu
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Search in the forum, there are many solutions, many threads about it.
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I think this thread should be closed. You are comparing two different operating systems so they are not the same and to put them into a comparison is doing any thing good for either cook.
My 2cts worth
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I think its a good discussion about 2 operating systems.. u have to know the pros and cons of each and feed back form different users
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Thanks furrypotato, you've given me what I'd been looking for!
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well, unfortunately what he told you is just his opinion, and I think he is wrong. I think it's actually the other way around. TouchFlow was a sort of temporary fix by HTC to bring up a GUI that can compete with Iphone until MS has their own solution. With 6.5 it's not necessary anymore. The newer 6.5 versions such as Miri's V5 easily beat TouchFlo and whatever 6.1 has to offer. The new 6.5 GUI is not a "curtain" like TF, covering up something, but a genuine new interface. I don't even load the manila with TouchFlo anymore, the generic 6.5 GUI is clearly better.
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Main difference :
Duttys 6.1: Uses latest, finger friendly HTC Touch Flo software. HTC sell phones. So they (kind of) care about the customer experience.
6.5: By Microsoft. The Windows mobile team totally lost the plot a few years ago lost touch with modern smartphone interface design. 6.5 is a deperate stop-gap until they get 7 out. I think that's enough said, isn't it ?
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I totally agree with you!
Please don't close this thread yet!
Perhaps the chef names should be removed as roms based on 6.1 with Manila v3 are only subtly different and the same goes for 6.5 roms (IN MY OPINION...)
It is interesting to compare experiences side by side.
I know it is quite shallow but although I like Titanium it doesn't have the same wow factor as v3 Manila does and on a day to day basis, I don't really need to go much deeper.
I also feel that 6.1 has so much support here that I can revive the wow factor with regularity.
6.5 will continue to be installed every couple of weeks though
Hi all,
HTC has released a new version of Sense (2.5, the one with shortcuts on homescreen) for Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond 2. My friend has TP2 with the new sense and it was very smooth and fast (it was so fast that it really surprised me alot!), not like the Sense 2.5 ROMs released here which are laggy, slow and for me not ready for everyday use. I wonder if it's possible to have this version of Sense on THD as it has the same hardware as TP2... I also hope someone will make it with WM 6.1 as I don't like 6.5(.x), it would be really awesome
Most of the Manila 2.5s that are used here are from the Topaz Roms...
So why are they so slow? The one I saw on the friend's TP2 was even smoother and faster than old manila 2.1 on my THD and I've tried many 2.1 and 2.5 ROMs so far...
EDIT: I've look randomly in some threads with 2.5 ROMs and all of them said "Sense 2.5 Leo" which means it's from HD2...
it isn't just the manilla version. The TP2 has native WM 6.5 drivers, while our blackstone only has (modified) WM 6.1 drivers. That's the main reason for the Backstone being slower.
And it can't be fixed? Did anyone try just using TP2 drivers on THD? It has the same hardware so it may work and be fast...
I'm not sure, but I think if it was easy to do, someone would have done that a long time ago . I beleave the drivers need to be ported first. The problem is the HD doesn't have the exact same hardware as the Diamond 2 and the TP2; the amount of ROM and RAM are the same, as is the CPU clockspeed, but the chipsets are slightly different. Our blackstone has a Qualcomm 7201A chipset while the D2 and TP2 have the Qualcomm 7200a chipset (topic about this here).
You could try asking your question in the graphics driver development topic over at the rom development board if you want more information about this.
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I'm not sure, but I think if it was easy to do, someone would have done that a long time ago . I beleave the drivers need to be ported first. The problem is the HD doesn't have the exact same hardware as the Diamond 2 and the TP2; the amount of ROM and RAM are the same, as is the CPU clockspeed, but the chipsets are slightly different. Our blackstone has a Qualcomm 7201A chipset while the D2 and TP2 have the Qualcomm 7200a chipset (topic about this here).
You could try asking your question in the graphics driver development topic over at the rom development board if you want more information about this.
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I know this isn't quite what you guys were talking about but the TP2 (Rhodium) does have significantly different hardware to the HD: it has a hardware keyboard. I only point this out as it's indicative of the differences between the 2 devices. If the same software were released with specififc drivers to fit the 2 different sets of hardware they'd perform pretty similarly, but the HD has been left behind in support for WM 6.5. As a result Rhodium based roms (like my own rom) have to use 'hacks' or mods to get simple things like the volume keys to work correctly with the latest Sense manila builds. Ironically the HD2 has very similar hardware to the HD but is considerably more powerful; Leo based roms are designed to fit within a power range beyond anything the HD was ever designed to achieve, so they can suffer from slowdown.
It's a matter of personal taste with roms. The HD reached the pinnacle of it's support from HTC with manila (TF3D) 1.3 and WM 6.1 so that should be the ideal for perfromance. Manila 2.0 and 2.1 seem to work fast and well though, thanks to the good people of XDA and the other sites. Similarly WM 6.5 functions just fine on the HD. 6.5.x lacks drivers for certain functions (volume control). As for manila (Sense 2.5) the HD was never supported, though it seems to run fine but a little slow in places (HTC messaging probably bening the low point). My roms use Rhodium 2.5 manila because I find it to be faster. I have performed no benchmarking, just user experience, to come to this conclusion. It makes sense though when you accept that removing a few tabs will inevitably speed things up (documents, ereader and footprints are Leo exclusive for now) and that the Rhodium and Topaz 2.5 manila builds are (theoretically) optimized for non-snapdragon processors.
Well, I think I won't care about this stuff any more. HD is "outdated" and can't have Sense running really smooth and fast. I'll stick with classic today plugins (SPB Pocket Plus have tabs and switching between them is much faster than any manila/sense) replacing the functionality of manila thanks anyway for answers
SciLor's HD2 / Leo Multitouch .NET CF DLL
http://www.scilor.com/hd2-leo-dotNetCfMultiTouchDLL.html
Is it possible with this in the Roms!
Asking to ROM makers!
That will increase life of the TP2 2 more years. that is the only new think I want with WM7.
Thanks
Tunc
I hope that you see the "LEO" or "HD2" in the name, right?
Because, HD2 supports multitouch on hardware level. Our phones don't. Why? Because our touchscreens can't do it. The only way around it is use my PinchToZoom software, enabling it in (older vers) OM9.5/9.7/GMAPS or (new ver, HD2-like zooming) in OM9.7 or (upcomming version) in all apps that HD2 supports it.
I will test your app soon an write back
Thanks
Leo HD2's touch screen is different with our TP2.
TP2 is Resistive touch screen.
HD2 is the introduction of Capacitive touch screen
thanks
limited use but works,
Tunc