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Hi everybody!
Why should be the device bricking fun limited to brother Raphael?
Android runs on Raphael
HardSPL is being worked on
Sounds promising?
Unfortunately I know little about how far the Xperia diverges from the current HTC branded lineup, hardware-wise.
Could some knowledgeable people share their opinion about porting Android onto Xperia e.g:
Booting linux (SD, MSM7200A vs MSM7201A ...)
Display (~ Blackstone?)
Keyboard (~ Raphael?)
Touchscreen (~ Blackstone?)
Cellular radio driver (~ Raphael? US / Asia / Eu?)
Wifi, B/T (~ Raphael?)
Buttons
GPS (~ Raphael?)
MSM7200A "3D" acceleration, FM radio?
Potential show stoppers?
Thank you!
UPDATE:
I extended the Xperia wiki page with some specifications (because alot of... strange... specs are floating on the web)
Yea that would be awesome to have android on this super bad @ss hardware. We still need a hard SPL before we can flash anything though
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We still need a hard SPL before we can flash anything though
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yeah that is true .. hopefully oli, comnex, itsxda, or tom condon are working on something or atleast plan on doing one for this phone ...
The Xperia, uses the same CPU as the Raphael, the model numbers vary due to patent issues but you'll find that a euro x1 matches a euro Raphael etc.
The 3D acceleration is in fact a 128MB ATI Imageon (2300/2700G - not sure which, don't own the phone myself =P)
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The 3D acceleration is in fact a 128MB ATI Imageon (2300/2700G - not sure which, don't own the phone myself =P)
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Where did you get this info?
cheers
Scribe said:
The Xperia, uses the same CPU as the Raphael, the model numbers vary due to patent issues but you'll find that a euro x1 matches a euro Raphael etc.
The 3D acceleration is in fact a 128MB ATI Imageon (2300/2700G - not sure which, don't own the phone myself =P)
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I thought the 2700G was an intel accelerator, the one used on the Dell Axim? I might be completely worng, Ati might have the same model numbers, I don't know.
As you'll may know. I'm from the Android on Kaiser project.
My Xperia X1 will receive this Friday.
Then I'ma try to get Android 1.0 to work.
0.8 already works. Tested it on a Xperia teste deviece.
But don't know if 0.9 1.0 works.
More infor hopefully this weekend.
xmoo said:
As you'll may know. I'm from the Android on Kaiser project.
My Xperia X1 will receive this Friday.
Then I'ma try to get Android 1.0 to work.
0.8 already works. Tested it on a Xperia teste deviece.
But don't know if 0.9 1.0 works.
More infor hopefully this weekend.
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Wahey! nice one Xmoo
Very nice information, please keep us updated!
wow allready?? sounds sweet. But how did you flash it onto the phone?
ill buy the x1 only if andriod fully works?! because this combi will rock i hope any1 know what how en when?
Android will never fully work on the X1 because android needs a multitouch enabled display which the X1 doesnt have.
So it will always be somewhat limited...anyway, will be nice to try it out. I dont think there is an Anroid only ROM yet, afaik all the running Android versions on WM phones have to be started through WM.
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Android will never fully work on the X1 because android needs a multitouch enabled display which the X1 doesnt have.
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This statement just doesn't make any sense.
echofloripa said:
This statement just doesn't make any sense.
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What about a reason why it doesnt make sense in your opinion ?
The t-mobile G1 has a capactive display that features multitouch, like the Iphone.
WM phones like the X1 or any other HTC WM Phone have traditional touch displays that dont support multitouch, so you would never be able to use android apps that need multitouch to work, or atleast cant use some of the features.
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What about a reason why it doesnt make sense in your opinion ?
The t-mobile G1 has a capactive display that features multitouch, like the Iphone.
WM phones like the X1 or any other HTC WM Phone have traditional touch displays that dont support multitouch, so you would never be able to use android apps that need multitouch to work, or atleast cant use some of the features.
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He's probably right. Android itself is just an OS/platform and it's has no limit on what kind of touch panel you use.
Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know the G1 hasn't got multitouch. The captive touchscreen will most likely support it however this feature has yet to be implemented. As far as the avrage consumer concerns, it does not support multi-touch. Hence stating that android needs full multi-touch capability to work properly would be wrong, as I and probably you too consider the G1 fully functional.
well the screen DOES support multi-touch and the apps will come sooner or later.
Anyway, didnt want to spoil the fun, would also love to check that out, just wanted to point that out.
Got My Phone!!!
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Got My Phone!!!
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get on with it then, watchawaitinfor
ahh, I can't wait till the android comes out on this phone. Hope the porting goes smoothly.
Hi guys,
today I talked to an HTC guy on the CeBIT convention in Hannover. I asked him about the release of Windows Mobile 6.5 for the Diamond 1 and he said that he is sure it will come as an update for the Diamond aswell. Diamond 2 will get the update, too. I tested the Diamond 2 today and I must say: AWESOME!!! That thing is so extremely fast in TouchFlo 3D. I had my Diamond 1 in one hand and the Diamond 2 in the other and now I could throw away my Diamond The new Menu for programs is nice, too. All together the Diamond 2 is much better than the Diamond and I think I will sell my Diamond 1 and buy the Diamond 2.
Greetz Frozen-GPU
did you tell him about the release date of diamond2 ?
is it on march or april ?
In fact he couldn't give me a final answer on this I guess he was not the right one to answer the question Only a salesman i think. But in my opinion it's worth waiting for Touch Diamond 2, no matter if it'll be released this or next month. There was another guy buggin' him with stupid questions about connecting HTC devices over bluetooth to his car hands free, so I left without asking more questions...
I mean no disrespect to you, but I really hope that you found the only (IMHO) honest and knowledgeable telephone company salesperson.
That in itself would be an awesome discovery, much more incredible than the 6.5 upgrade for the Diamond
That could be true...
Maybe I better wrote another title for this topic: "Diamond 2 - WOW! Windows Mobile 6.5 on Diamond 1: Very possible!"
Salesmen are really clever, but not in giving technical information
i hope this is true because there are rumors poping up that wm6.5 will only be avaiable for phones with a hardware windows start button
WIMO 6.5 on Diamond 1 not likely
The word from Microsoft is that ONLY the phones with Windows button will ever be supported as a Windows Mobile 6.5 platform. I'd say that minimizes the chance that HTC will take the time and money to develop a 6.5 rom for an old device that will probably be end of life soon.
yet tested our beloved device with a pre wm6.5 and it's too much sloooow and crappy too
I think wm6.5 needs more ram, perhaps could be sane on diamond2 but right now isn't ready to be used on diamond1
Start button?
i don't see why MS is saying it HAS to have a start button. the Diamond had 9 hardware buttons (if the whole pad is broken down into all its functions) i'm sure that one of those buttons could be allocated for that use
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i don't see why MS is saying it HAS to have a start button. the Diamond had 9 hardware buttons (if the whole pad is broken down into all its functions) i'm sure that one of those buttons could be allocated for that use
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I totally agree with that Put a Windows Logo sticker over the "Home" Hardwarebutton and voila ^^
I have to admit I'm a bit puzzled as to why this is a stumbling block. WinMo 6.5 will presumably be a whole new ROM and I imagine would have a few chefs cooking with it. We've seen that it will work on Diamond, it should be simple enough to map a single button to make it work.
Shouldn't it?
Winmo 6.5 on Diamond...
not sure if I am toe-stepping, or pointing out what everyone already know, but there's a winmo 6.5 beta for the diamond here ->
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=481896
havent given it a go yet, as my Diamond isn't really expendable (work phone i'd be shot for messing up) but it seems though good progress has been made!
mark14 said:
not sure if I am toe-stepping, or pointing out what everyone already know, but there's a winmo 6.5 beta for the diamond here ->
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=481896
havent given it a go yet, as my Diamond isn't really expendable (work phone i'd be shot for messing up) but it seems though good progress has been made!
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Yeah Windows Mobile 6.5 BETA has been released from several cookers, but I was talking about native support for WM6.5 on the HTC Touch Diamond. Even if HTC won't update the Diamond, the cookers here will release it for us, that's for sure But it would be nice if HTC gives an official update for the Diamond 1.
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Yeah Windows Mobile 6.5 BETA has been released from several cookers, but I was talking about native support for WM6.5 on the HTC Touch Diamond. Even if HTC won't update the Diamond, the cookers here will release it for us, that's for sure But it would be nice if HTC gives an official update for the Diamond 1.
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I think it is unlikely: no windows start key (which is not needed of course, but it is an advertising trick from microsoft, which imho is fearing the lack of image associated to WinMo compared to the new kids in town (android, OSX, WebOS), and is trying to get smartphone manufacturer to provide some free advertising - equivalent to "Windows Vista compatible" on the PC peripherals for example), so probably HTC will not get the OK from Microsoft on this one. Morerover, it is not sure HTC would do it even if they could (except maybe for the touch HD): Diamond2 and Pro2 will be out before WinMo6.5, so upgrading only the latest model is a way to force the previous ones (TD1/TP1) into obsolescence...especially as the specs are not so different, so any differentiation is good to get...
TouchHD successor seems further away, possibly after the release of the first 6.5 devices, or the 6.5 upgrade for TD2/TP2...so I guess official touch HD upgrade is maybe possible...
There's not going to be an update for "old Ht'c like de Touch Diamond, Touch Pro and Touch HD...
Hey,
Something that came in my mind when i was viewing the specs of the touch diamond 2 in comparison to our HD. They are pretty much the same apart from some hardware buttons (zoom slider), and screen size. Though both have WVGA resolution.
I was thinking when the so beloved "free update" to WM6.5 comes out for the diamond somewhere in the future. Wont that rom be directly installable for our HD? Since all the hardware is the same?. Would ease my mind a lot knowing that i can still have exactly the same
greetings.
I don't really see the point, we have great cookers here, so if you want WM6.5, you already can. Latest updates from Diamond 2 will be sure used to make a ROM.
For your question, a ROM from another device can't be installed without modifications.
There are quite a few ROMs in this section that use the diamond 2 and touch pro 2 new TF3D (topaz and rhodium) and quite a few also do windows mobile 6.5 however because it is still unreleased they are not completly stable and up to speed. this will most lightly change when WM6.5 is released.
there are also ROMs here that have both the ROMs in this section can all be flashed onto the Touch HD.
Maybe some of the the sofewares from Diamond2 can be used in HD rom,but I don't think the ROMS between two device can be used for each other directly.
No you can't update directly because the hardware is not the same. For example buttons, Gestures etc. While it is close to the same it will still require a cook to combine the two devices drivers and software together.
Funny!
I thinks the rom for the diamond 2 is not work in our HD,
Hi all,
HTC has released a new version of Sense (2.5, the one with shortcuts on homescreen) for Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond 2. My friend has TP2 with the new sense and it was very smooth and fast (it was so fast that it really surprised me alot!), not like the Sense 2.5 ROMs released here which are laggy, slow and for me not ready for everyday use. I wonder if it's possible to have this version of Sense on THD as it has the same hardware as TP2... I also hope someone will make it with WM 6.1 as I don't like 6.5(.x), it would be really awesome
Most of the Manila 2.5s that are used here are from the Topaz Roms...
So why are they so slow? The one I saw on the friend's TP2 was even smoother and faster than old manila 2.1 on my THD and I've tried many 2.1 and 2.5 ROMs so far...
EDIT: I've look randomly in some threads with 2.5 ROMs and all of them said "Sense 2.5 Leo" which means it's from HD2...
it isn't just the manilla version. The TP2 has native WM 6.5 drivers, while our blackstone only has (modified) WM 6.1 drivers. That's the main reason for the Backstone being slower.
And it can't be fixed? Did anyone try just using TP2 drivers on THD? It has the same hardware so it may work and be fast...
I'm not sure, but I think if it was easy to do, someone would have done that a long time ago . I beleave the drivers need to be ported first. The problem is the HD doesn't have the exact same hardware as the Diamond 2 and the TP2; the amount of ROM and RAM are the same, as is the CPU clockspeed, but the chipsets are slightly different. Our blackstone has a Qualcomm 7201A chipset while the D2 and TP2 have the Qualcomm 7200a chipset (topic about this here).
You could try asking your question in the graphics driver development topic over at the rom development board if you want more information about this.
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I'm not sure, but I think if it was easy to do, someone would have done that a long time ago . I beleave the drivers need to be ported first. The problem is the HD doesn't have the exact same hardware as the Diamond 2 and the TP2; the amount of ROM and RAM are the same, as is the CPU clockspeed, but the chipsets are slightly different. Our blackstone has a Qualcomm 7201A chipset while the D2 and TP2 have the Qualcomm 7200a chipset (topic about this here).
You could try asking your question in the graphics driver development topic over at the rom development board if you want more information about this.
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I know this isn't quite what you guys were talking about but the TP2 (Rhodium) does have significantly different hardware to the HD: it has a hardware keyboard. I only point this out as it's indicative of the differences between the 2 devices. If the same software were released with specififc drivers to fit the 2 different sets of hardware they'd perform pretty similarly, but the HD has been left behind in support for WM 6.5. As a result Rhodium based roms (like my own rom) have to use 'hacks' or mods to get simple things like the volume keys to work correctly with the latest Sense manila builds. Ironically the HD2 has very similar hardware to the HD but is considerably more powerful; Leo based roms are designed to fit within a power range beyond anything the HD was ever designed to achieve, so they can suffer from slowdown.
It's a matter of personal taste with roms. The HD reached the pinnacle of it's support from HTC with manila (TF3D) 1.3 and WM 6.1 so that should be the ideal for perfromance. Manila 2.0 and 2.1 seem to work fast and well though, thanks to the good people of XDA and the other sites. Similarly WM 6.5 functions just fine on the HD. 6.5.x lacks drivers for certain functions (volume control). As for manila (Sense 2.5) the HD was never supported, though it seems to run fine but a little slow in places (HTC messaging probably bening the low point). My roms use Rhodium 2.5 manila because I find it to be faster. I have performed no benchmarking, just user experience, to come to this conclusion. It makes sense though when you accept that removing a few tabs will inevitably speed things up (documents, ereader and footprints are Leo exclusive for now) and that the Rhodium and Topaz 2.5 manila builds are (theoretically) optimized for non-snapdragon processors.
Well, I think I won't care about this stuff any more. HD is "outdated" and can't have Sense running really smooth and fast. I'll stick with classic today plugins (SPB Pocket Plus have tabs and switching between them is much faster than any manila/sense) replacing the functionality of manila thanks anyway for answers
Hi folks yesterday i lost my touch diamond2.. now i want to buy another but i think maybe better is HTC Touch HD ? what you guys think ?
Why you are going for Windows Mobile 6.5.x device now? You can go for Windows Phone (for WP7) as WP7 Mango is now released for MS Employee and should be public soon. So I will advise for a WP7 device instead of Windows Mobile 6.5.
But if you like to go for Windows Mobile only I will advise HTC HD2 .
Cheers!!!
EDIT: Mango RTM is available... See here.
Too late jus get HTC HD well camera recording is CIF.. and i think HD is little solver than diamond2
Blackstone vs Topaz
I have both Topaz (Touch Diamond 2) and Blackstone (Touch HD).
The Topaz has a super sharp screen, comparable to Iphone 4 for DPI.
And yeh it does feel faster than Blackstone like you say.
I think the camera on the Topaz is better too.
Topaz is also more compact so if smaller is better than Topaz is better.
But typing on the topaz is a LOT harder than the Blackstone.
Topaz has the zoom bar which is great for certain apps and I think its a better solution for zooming than pinch zooming on capacitive screens. You can zoom with 1 hand! Try pinch zooming while holding it it with the same hand. Blackstone doesnt have capacitive screen so pinch zooming is not an option and it relies on the app UI to do zooming. Zooming is prolly a lot more important on Topaz with smaller screen.
The Blackstone has a 3.5mm headphone jack and the Topaz doesnt. This is a deal breaker for me as I like to use my fav earphones and I had to use an adapter with the Topaz which I hate to carry around.
The blackstone looks and feels better IMO. The Topaz feels all plasticky and cheap in comparison.
I like the magnetic stylus on the Blackstone! It never falls out like the ones on the Topaz. I've lost a couple of Topaz stylus but never lost one on the Blackstone. The larger screen on Blackstone also reduces the need to use the stylus and thus reduces the chance of losing it.
I also prefer the default HOME button on the Blackstone to the corresponding default WINDOWS button on Topaz. The capacitive buttons on the Blackstone also never wear out (if you use a screen protector, it covers them) unlike the ones on the Topaz with the paint flaking off after extensive use.
I still love the Topaz, but I use the Blackstone daily.
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Can we install this on Diamond2?
nope ;-( go android
xhozt said:
nope ;-( go android
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Yes Android is an alternate solution of WM7/Mango for any Windows Mobile at present... HD2 is best as we can install WP7 / Mango on it.
Other devices are left with Modified Windows Mobile or Android porting.