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how the title says how can someone ignore Apps which are need like (sms time fix) when one clears the memory and not having to restart the app every time after clear memory
Just don't use the level 2 clear and you'll be fine. Only apps you should ever kill are the ones that show up in "Active Applications". Except for your launcher of course. Killing system apps and services is like shooting yourself in the foot.
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Just don't use the level 2 clear and you'll be fine. Only apps you should ever kill are the ones that show up in "Active Applications". Except for your launcher of course. Killing system apps and services is like shooting yourself in the foot.
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How so? Could you elaborate?
I'm sincerely curious as to why the L2 clear is a bad idea.
Thanks, dude!
Senor Forum said:
How so? Could you elaborate?
I'm sincerely curious as to why the L2 clear is a bad idea.
Thanks, dude!
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Clearing L2 level cache kills essential android processes too, and system would again need to restart all the needed ones again. Read abt 'android memory management' (link in my signature), and see if that helps.
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How so? Could you elaborate?
I'm sincerely curious as to why the L2 clear is a bad idea.
Thanks, dude!
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App data is stored in RAM so that you use less CPU the next time you run that app. RAM uses much much less power than CPU, why would you want to have empty RAM?
If an app in your task manager shows cpu % next to it, then close it because you don't want the CPU to be used at all.
As the previous two said, why would you need to have RAM free?
This is not like BBOS, which needs like 25% memory free in order to start an app.
The whole reason for having high RAM is to use it, if it is always free (unused) what benefit do you get from it?
Using task killers or freeing up memory in order to save battery is only going to drain your battery more.
Android loads programs into memory based on what it deems needs to be available to run quickly... and once you kill it, it will use CPU to load it again shortly thereafter.
CPU is a bigger drain on power than letting programs hang in memory.
System Panel Pro and Battery Info on settings isn't giving me enough information. I'd love to be able to see how each app affects the battery. Is there an app for that? Thanks for the help!
I would love something like this, but I have a feeling there isn't enough detail for an app to be able to determine this, since multiple things are affecting battery at once.
According to Juicedefender battery saver-Autotask killer bad for our battery & which cause more battery draining.they directely said that avoid auto task kill.Is it true?
share your thoughts on that i,e sentence.
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It really depend on how u use ur phone. If u kill task that u do not yse fir a long time it actually save ur battery on the ither hand if u kill an app amd then run it again it will drain mire battery. Also dont kill system app they will just start right up which lead to battery drain. I personnaly use advanced task killer and set ignore the app u often use, dusable autokiller and set security level to low to avoid killing system. But it just a matter of opinion really so just decude for ur self.
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Im using easy task killer for months now. Though I wasn't aware about it draining my battery. Thanks for this info. Though I havent had any issues, still Ill look more to it. :beer:
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It’s still up in the air.
I'm using Advanced taskkiller.should i disable auto taskkiller.or auto taskkiller can effect battery?
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I'm using Advanced taskkiller.should i disable auto taskkiller.or auto taskkiller can effect battery?
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yes, it's better to kill app's manual
I also using two different task killer, but never set them to auto.. just like other opinion, it's true iff we continuously set the app to kill system or app we recently use, it might be drained our battery more effectively.. theoritycally it's just like you do the same task all over again in the same day.. wouldn't it gave you more exhausted than you do it only one time and manage to do it the other day..?
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Here, i give you a reason why autotask killer is battery draining.
#1. Android kills app every 15 minutes when phone is almost out of memory, Android drastically pushes old app process and kill them so currently running app can be running. AutoTask Killer kill app foreground & underground apps process, underground apps generated by app itself, and generating underground app is use some battery & CPU cycle. Android kill app only it's FOREGROUND apps which still save alot battery rather than generate another Underground app which eats battery & CPU cycle.
#2. AutoTask killer kills system app. System app generates more cache & underground process than user apps, since system app always runned by Android for some reason (at JB 4.2.1 it's managed more extensively). Just like reason number 1, underground & cache generating in Android consumes ALOT of battery.
#3. Task killing consumes CPU Cycle, CPU will need to get it's higher hertz to keep speed, higher the CPU, more battery killed
#4. Task killing MAY free RAM, until Android generate another cache which eats up X2 RAM than old cache, since new cache refreshed and need to be intergrated with apps. More RAM, no More Multitasking !
#5. AutoTask Killer make apps process blocked, which slow-down apps, since app cache is deleted. To make the app keep smooth, CPU is set to it's higher hertz, just like reason number 3, higher CPU, more battery killed.
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Here, i give you a reason why autotask killer is battery draining.
#1. Android kills app every 15 minutes when phone is almost out of memory, Android drastically pushes old app process and kill them so currently running app can be running. AutoTask Killer kill app foreground & underground apps process, underground apps generated by app itself, and generating underground app is use some battery & CPU cycle. Android kill app only it's FOREGROUND apps which still save alot battery rather than generate another Underground app which eats battery & CPU cycle.
#2. AutoTask killer kills system app. System app generates more cache & underground process than user apps, since system app always runned by Android for some reason (at JB 4.2.1 it's managed more extensively). Just like reason number 1, underground & cache generating in Android consumes ALOT of battery.
#3. Task killing consumes CPU Cycle, CPU will need to get it's higher hertz to keep speed, higher the CPU, more battery killed
#4. Task killing MAY free RAM, until Android generate another cache which eats up X2 RAM than old cache, since new cache refreshed and need to be intergrated with apps. More RAM, no More Multitasking !
#5. AutoTask Killer make apps process blocked, which slow-down apps, since app cache is deleted. To make the app keep smooth, CPU is set to it's higher hertz, just like reason number 3, higher CPU, more battery killed.
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so a ram manager app or a script for ram is better?
Actually it depends on how you use. I use Advanced Task Killer pro to kill apps after a session and to monitor which apps open by itself and run in background. Those apps are the ones I freeze in titanium backup pro. Some of them are Google Maps, Facebook (I use it rarely, FB app sucks)
Dont use the scheduled auto kill option, that will drain the battery.
Saver battery
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so a ram manager app or a script for ram is better?
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I'm using TouchWiz V5 (JB 4.2.1) + Ram Manager Pro and also Seeder have saver my battery.
I'm not charge my LilG for about 2days and still working fine..
Seeder ==> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
A little Tip
Our mini can't handle a task killer. I suggest you to not use any of them.
If you want to kill an app, use the "long press back to kill" option in cyanogenmod.
I am wondering if we have a task manager/process explorer app for Nexus 4? Currently I am using AirDroid v2 that includes a task manager, but I am looking for one with more options.
I travel a lot & would like to kill as much unwanted applications running in the background as possible to conserve battery.
There is no more need to use task killer to manage android systems any more. You will be doing more harm than good, in fact there is no good in killing tssks manually.
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Point noted.
But when I use Airdroid task manager, I see a process when the corresponding app is not running the background.
To mention a few; Cut the rope free, stocks & Hill climb racing.
Few system process like picasa uploader, chrome etc.
As you said andoird may optimize most of them, but I would like some control when running thin on battery.
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I am wondering if we have a task manager/process explorer app for Nexus 4? Currently I am using AirDroid v2 that includes a task manager, but I am looking for one with more options.
I travel a lot & would like to kill as much unwanted applications running in the background as possible to conserve battery.
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use greenify https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oasisfeng.greenify&hl=en to hibernate any persisting apps/processes (except system). apps relaunch when you open them.
Killing apps and then having to reload them actually uses more battery than them being dormant in the background and already loaded when called upon. The problem is when you have misbehaving apps that stay in the foreground eating up cpu, instead of going dormant into the background. And this does happen. I use an app called Watchdog that alerts me when this happens. It allows you to kill the app when this happens. It also allows you to whitelist and blacklist apps and processes.
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main phone setting, apps, running.. default task/process manager. in the top right will be an option to show cached process as well.
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main phone setting, apps, running.. default task/process manager. in the top right will be an option to show cached process as well.
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We all know that is there. The op mentioned wanting more options, mainly monitoring and kill options.
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I am wondering if we have a task manager/process explorer app for Nexus 4? Currently I am using AirDroid v2 that includes a task manager, but I am looking for one with more options.
I travel a lot & would like to kill as much unwanted applications running in the background as possible to conserve battery.
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We all know that is there. The op mentioned wanting more options, mainly monitoring and kill options.
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fast reboot(free), but the paid version i like better https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.greatbytes.fastreboot&hl=en
rayiskon, I will try greenify & let you know how that helps.
fernandezhjr, I agree restarting app is not an optimal way, but I require to squeeze battery to atleast make phone calls when I am away from charging options.
simms22, fast reboot looks promising. I'll try the free one for now and take it from there.
It's kind of already been said, but I want to clarify as much as possible.
Apps running dormant in the background (using RAM) use no more power than if it weren't running. This is because all of the memory you have is being refreshed all the time, the controller has no idea whether there is actually data there, it still refreshes the entire space of memory.
Apps running "dormant" but using CPU do use more power than if it weren't running. I assume OP is wanting some sort of monitoring app that shows which apps are using CPU, in which case is fine. If OP is wanting to kill all apps that he isn't using at the time to conserve battery, then he would actually be doing the opposite of what he wants, as it requires to CPU to spin back up to restart it later. Again, the difference here is RAM vs CPU, one doesn't use battery (or rather, uses the same amount of battery, no matter how much of it is being utilized), and one can use more or less battery depending on how much it's used.
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It's kind of already been said, but I want to clarify as much as possible.
Apps running dormant in the background (using RAM) use no more power than if it weren't running. This is because all of the memory you have is being refreshed all the time, the controller has no idea whether there is actually data there, it still refreshes the entire space of memory.
Apps running "dormant" but using CPU do use more power than if it weren't running. I assume OP is wanting some sort of monitoring app that shows which apps are using CPU, in which case is fine. If OP is wanting to kill all apps that he isn't using at the time to conserve battery, then he would actually be doing the opposite of what he wants, as it requires to CPU to spin back up to restart it later. Again, the difference here is RAM vs CPU, one doesn't use battery (or rather, uses the same amount of battery, no matter how much of it is being utilized), and one can use more or less battery depending on how much it's used.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation. I understand killing process, shutting down cached process or apps & later restarting them is only going to fire up the CPU usage which completely defeats the purpose of conserving battery.
Though not a daily ask, at times I am stuck in situation where a phone call or SMS is all I need to keep me going.
Once I read on XDA that "free ram is wasted ram" (or something like that).
every time we closing apps we clear the ram, and every time we re-opened apps the phone use more CPU and battery. So should we add all apps to "Unmonitored apps"? Should we not adding any app to "Always sleepping apps"? Shouls we never "Clear now" to clear the ram?
Hopping someone could explain it.
Thanks.
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Once I read on XDA that "free ram is wasted ram" (or something like that).
every time we closing apps we clear the ram, and every time we re-opened apps the phone use more CPU and battery. So should we add all apps to "Unmonitored apps"? Should we not adding any app to "Always sleepping apps"? Shouls we never "Clear now" to clear the ram?
Hopping someone could explain it.
Thanks.
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Making an app sleep is not the same thing as keeping/clearing it from ram. You are right though that free ram doesn't generally do you a lot of good, and constantly clearing it will just make your phone work more the next time you load that particular app.
A 'Sleeping App' is useful for conserving battery. Apps like Email or Facebook are always awake and connected to the internet checking for new messages, notifications, comments, etc. and this consumes more battery. The downside to putting an app to sleep however, is that it won't show notifications and alert you of new messages, comments, likes, etc. until you manually open the app itself and all notifications will come flooding in at once.
An App kept in RAM simply allows it to be opened and resumed from the last point it was used. This saves a little CPU and Battery but not much difference in our modern and high powered devices.
If you have maximum amount of Apps in RAM, than the phone automatically closes the oldest opened app to make room for the new one. So this option is simply a personal preference without much impact on CPU and Battery.
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Making an app sleep is not the same thing as keeping/clearing it from ram. You are right though that free ram doesn't generally do you a lot of good, and constantly clearing it will just make your phone work more the next time you load that particular app.
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Does Device maintenance app close automatic the apps that added to "Always slepping apps" after a while?
If so, the apps need re-open every time. If it dosn't the app need to be close so it "enter" to sleeping mode. In both cases the app will close and it'll need to re-open.
If android knows to manage the apps, why in the first plase need to add apps to sleep?
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Does Device maintenance app close automatic the apps that added to "Always slepping apps" after a while?
If so, the apps need re-open every time. If it dosn't the app need to be close so it "enter" to sleeping mode. In both cases the app will close and it'll need to re-open.
If android knows to manage the apps, why in the first plase need to add apps to sleep?
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Yes, but sleep also involves restricting background processes which could otherwise be running and draining battery. That's a different consideration compared to whether an app is stored in ram or not, which is why I said they are not quite the same thing.
Well I close apps cause some apps draw a lot more power then others. I installed a audio recorder on my pixel o wanted to record audio at a concert. It drained the battery on my phone which had a full charge before I had a chance to use it so less apps the better. I guess it's all the matter what app are runnonf
Thank you all for the answers
What about greenify? What the difference between hibernation mode and sleep mode?
If app greenify it should add to "Unmonitored apps" in Device maintenance?
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