Sorry if this is a repost... havent seen this posted..
Dont know if this is possible.. sorry I am a noob
Has anybody tried an unlocked fuze on the sprint network.
I have been pondering the idea myself.. I like the fact that the fuze has PTT and would love to have that with my current sprint plan..
PS.. Sorry I think I posted this in the wrong section. Would move it myself if I knew how.
Fuze is GSM device, Sprint uses CDMA so the short answer is NO.
Additonally the PTT button is just a button. The software is at&t specific so again NO.
Just buy Sprint's Touch Pro, it's basically the same device with a few differences..
yeah it wont work... sry.
...................lol
You don't have the technology or a steady hand to pull off a procedure like that, so ha in your face!
actually, i though sprint aquired nextel, whom use sim cards... i dunno though, cause ive seen most of it referencing iden phones.
my advice, go to a sprint store and ask... the most they'll say is no.
Dont tell them you want to put a "FUZE" on it though, as i found that specific names of devices tend to garner an immediate "no".
Aside from that, sprint has their own version of the fuze with cdma hardware.
-Wyefye
wyefye said:
actually, i though sprint aquired nextel, whom use sim cards...
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just an FYI
iDen (Integrated Digital Enhanced Network) is a proprietary technology developed by Motorola and has no association with GSM (Groupe Special Mobile) at all. Sprint is a CDMA (Code Division Multiple Access) network
those sim based nextel phones are international phones as far as I remember working for nextel back in the days.\
Also have you guys seen that Sprint Touch pro being used with the Verizon on Youtube?
MY dad wants to get cricket and I love my diamond lol, so can I get a diamond pro and flash it to cricket and what about esn issues?
bump
bump, and what bout internet
c'mon someone has to know
128 views and no one knows nothing.....
maybe because spamming is frowned upon in all internet communities?
maybe you could help me a little bit. What is cricket?
I'm assuming its a service provider, if thats the case you need to sim unlock your diamond. I'm sure someone here can unlock it for you, for a fee.
It's cdma so it would have nothing to do with sim unlocking, and I had to keep posting because my topic kept falling so I was trying to bump it up
so im guessing cricket is a provider. I'm not too familiar with cdma phones, but if cricket isnt cdma based then you probably have no chance of using it on that network. One of the main ideas behind cdma is that your stuck on the network you bought the phone from.
I could be wrong but this is what i understand about cdma phones.
dude - u need to provide all details for people to understand...
if ur diamond is a CDMA, you might find less help on this forum... it's almost all GSM
anyhow - if Cricket uses CDMA, there's no chance u could flash it on a GSM phone or vice versa...
good luck!
oh sorry my diamond is cdma
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128 views and no one knows nothing.....
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The high views are because of the intriguingly useless thread title and the lack of answers are because nobody knows what you're talking about. If Cricket is a CDMA operator then say that so people don't have to guess it.
he i found what cricket is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricketlol
Okay here we go
Cricket=CDMA(No Contract/$40 Unlimited Minute/text/web/etc)
My Diamond/Touchpro= From Sprint (CDMA), May be bad esn not sure yet
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he i found what cricket is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricketlol
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LOL!
OP: it's been stated before by me and other users, its very hard to switch carriers while on a cdma device. they make cdma so you cant hop networks like gsm users do.
Hey I have a Sprint TP2 and can use SIM cards or CDMA service (currently using), I already did the HardSPL for it but I dont know which ROMs to flash it with... I like the way the Energy ROM looks from screenshots but also want something fast...
What ROMs can I use on my phone?
This forum is for GSM ROMs, there's a separate sub-forum for CDMA ROMs. But better would be ppcgeeks.com, which tends to have a lot more CDMA ROMs than over here (including links to NRG's ROMs).
So I´m kind of confused, if the phone it is both gsm (simcard able) and also supports cdma, what kind of rom will it support? gsm only? cdma only? or both depending on wether I´m using it with a gsm carrier or a cdma carrier? If somebody could answer it´d make my day as there´s a guy selling me a touch pro 2 that´s able to support both gsm and cdma but I´d like to know how far can I go about flashing stuff to it, as I´m currently a happy htc kaiser/tilt owner and would like to "flash the nand out of it" lol and even throw in android to the mix (as i´m currently running froyo on my old kaiser).
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So I´m kind of confused, if the phone it is both gsm (simcard able) and also supports cdma, what kind of rom will it support? gsm only? cdma only? or both depending on wether I´m using it with a gsm carrier or a cdma carrier? If somebody could answer it´d make my day as there´s a guy selling me a touch pro 2 that´s able to support both gsm and cdma but I´d like to know how far can I go about flashing stuff to it, as I´m currently a happy htc kaiser/tilt owner and would like to "flash the nand out of it" lol and even throw in android to the mix (as i´m currently running froyo on my old kaiser).
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If you phone is both CDMA and GSM (Sprint or Verizon), then you need the CDMA ROMs.
Also make sure you use the CDMA HardSPL and CDMA radios. If you flash a GSM radio to a CDMA phone (even if you're using it on a GSM network with a SIM card), you *will* permanently brick it.
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If you phone is both CDMA and GSM (Sprint or Verizon), then you need the CDMA ROMs.
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Also make sure you use the CDMA HardSPL and CDMA radios. If you flash a GSM radio to a CDMA phone (even if you're using it on a GSM network with a SIM card), you *will* permanently brick it.
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thanks for such fast replies. So, if I buy the gsm/cdma phone It sure won´t be as customizable as the gsm version as I haven´t seen many cdma roms around (haven´t looked around that much so I may be wrong) anyways is there any performance/quality disadvantages of going gsm/cdma instead of the "regular" gsm version of this phone? (not really talking about data traffic alone but the overall feel of the phone). A few too many questions I know, so sorry if i´m being kinda bothersome. thanks in advance.
elander said:
thanks for such fast replies. So, if I buy the gsm/cdma phone It sure won´t be as customizable as the gsm version as I haven´t seen many cdma roms around (haven´t looked around that much so I may be wrong) anyways is there any performance/quality disadvantages of going gsm/cdma instead of the "regular" gsm version of this phone? (not really talking about data traffic alone but the overall feel of the phone). A few too many questions I know, so sorry if i´m being kinda bothersome. thanks in advance.
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What carrier do you use?
elander said:
thanks for such fast replies. So, if I buy the gsm/cdma phone It sure won´t be as customizable as the gsm version as I haven´t seen many cdma roms around (haven´t looked around that much so I may be wrong) anyways is there any performance/quality disadvantages of going gsm/cdma instead of the "regular" gsm version of this phone? (not really talking about data traffic alone but the overall feel of the phone). A few too many questions I know, so sorry if i´m being kinda bothersome. thanks in advance.
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That's because you're on XDA-developers, which historically has had more GSM stuff than CDMA, I believe. If you want CDMA stuff, go to ppcgeeks.com, where you'll find a thread on NRG's ROM plus others. So it should be just as customisable as a GSM-only phone.
Ok I'll download the CDMA ROM's... But will I still be able to use SIM cards on it if I go to another country (or in the US for that matter)? I was planning on doing the SIM/Radio unlock thing for US carriers (the one where you enter your IMEI and pay like 14 euros)??
jokersboy said:
Ok I'll download the CDMA ROM's... But will I still be able to use SIM cards on it if I go to another country (or in the US for that matter)? I was planning on doing the SIM/Radio unlock thing for US carriers (the one where you enter your IMEI and pay like 14 euros)??
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I know it's kind of confusing, but it doesn't make a difference if the device uses GSM also. It's a CDMA device. You can only flash CDMA ROMs to it, otherwise it will brick. If you have the radio unlocked, you can use it on other carriers. You can unlock it most easily by contacting the carrier and just telling them you're going on vacation to Europe or something and need it unlocked.
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Hey, Just the thread i needed !!!
Off the research so far,
Droid 4(XT894) is a CDMA Device whose ESN is attached/programmed to a verizon mobile number ... right ?
Within the US this device does not support/accomodate a GSM SIM card ... right ?
While outside US, Verizon number works on international roaming.
meaning Calls and text(does internaltional verizon data work too) work on this phone while travelling internationally just fine ... right ?
While travelling outside US, one could load a Local GSM SIM card and this will enable this phone to work like just any other GSM phone ... right ?
Here's where my question's lie ...
When a GSM SIM card is loaded outside US what happens to the pre-programmed Verizon Number which was working on roaming ?
Does the verizon number work alongside the international GSM SIM card ?
Do calls to the Verizon Roaming number and the local GSM SIM number both work together ?
If so ... can one use Verizon Roaming number for calls, and the local GSM SIM for internet data ? ... simultaneously ?
Will it be the same like a dual-sim phone where both numbers work simultaneously ?
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Is it true that this phone supports even a CDMA SIM Card on its SIM slot ?
thanks for reading and any info is greatly appreciated.
aiamuzz said:
Hey, Just the thread i needed !!!
Off the research so far,
Droid 4(XT894) is a CDMA Device whose ESN is attached/programmed to a verizon mobile number ... right ?
Within the US this device does not support/accomodate a GSM SIM card ... right ?
While outside US, Verizon number works on international roaming.
meaning Calls and text(does internaltional verizon data work too) work on this phone while travelling internationally just fine ... right ?
While travelling outside US, one could load a Local GSM SIM card and this will enable this phone to work like just any other GSM phone ... right ?
Here's where my question's lie ...
When a GSM SIM card is loaded outside US what happens to the pre-programmed Verizon Number which was working on roaming ?
Does the verizon number work alongside the international GSM SIM card ?
Do calls to the Verizon Roaming number and the local GSM SIM number both work together ?
If so ... can one use Verizon Roaming number for calls, and the local GSM SIM for internet data ? ... simultaneously ?
Will it be the same like a dual-sim phone where both numbers work simultaneously ?
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Is it true that this phone supports even a CDMA SIM Card on its SIM slot ?
thanks for reading and any info is greatly appreciated.
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Really all verizon uses is the sim card, I have pulled my sim card out and used it with my XT908, XT894, and XT907 without ever contacting verizon about the change, and call, text, LTE all work fine.
The XT894 can only be connected to either cdma or gms not both.
It will not work with other USA carriers
If using outside of the USA, gms will work but suggest installing the gms patch, for improved compatibility.
[PATCH][GUIDE] Patch to fully enable GSM on Verizon CDMA Android phones by Mentor.37
You will need to root, and install Safestrap, before installing the patch.
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Really all verizon uses is the sim card, I have pulled my sim card out and used it with my XT908, XT894, and XT907 without ever contacting verizon about the change, and call, text, LTE all work fine.
The XT894 can only be connected to either cdma or gms not both.
It will not work with other USA carriers
If using outside of the USA, gms will work but suggest installing the gms patch, for improved compatibility.
[PATCH][GUIDE] Patch to fully enable GSM on Verizon CDMA Android phones by Mentor.37
You will need to root, and install Safestrap, before installing the patch.
See the index.
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thanks for the quick reply @sd_shadow ...
So that confirms that the SIM slot reads both GSM and CDMA SIM modules.
I still have a feeling that Verizon (i could be wrong, hence the question) programs these phones to work based on their ESN No. else why would people on ebay sell phones with 'CLEAN ESN' ... If a verizon CDMA SIM can work out of this phone why does one need a clean ESN, I thought clean ESN's are used to program CDMA mobile nos. through them !
Anybody here running a Droid 4 (XT894) without a verizon CDMA SIM just fine ?
OR
Droid 4 (XT894) runs only through a Verizon CDMA SIM unlike its non SIM based older cousins ?
aiamuzz said:
thanks for the quick reply @sd_shadow ...
So that confirms that the SIM slot reads both GSM and CDMA SIM modules.
I still have a feeling that Verizon (i could be wrong, hence the question) programs these phones to work based on their ESN No. else why would people on ebay sell phones with 'CLEAN ESN' ... If a verizon CDMA SIM can work out of this phone why does one need a clean ESN, I thought clean ESN's are used to program CDMA mobile nos. through them !
Anybody here running a Droid 4 (XT894) without a verizon CDMA SIM just fine ?
OR
Droid 4 (XT894) runs only through a Verizon CDMA SIM unlike its non SIM based older cousins ?
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ESN is old technology, and hasn't been used for some time.
What are ESN, MEID, and IMEI (device identifiers)?
Every device has a MEID and/or a IMEI which is used along with the sim.
Verizon will blacklist a device if it is reported stolen or you don't pay your bill.
Lots of people are using the Droid 4 outside of the USA, but only with GSM/3g
LTE only works with Verizon.
The Droid 4 will not work without a sim card, GSM nor LTE/CDMA.
sd_shadow said:
ESN is old technology, and hasn't been used for some time.
What are ESN, MEID, and IMEI (device identifiers)?
Every device has a MEID and/or a IMEI which is used along with the sim.
Verizon will blacklist a device if it is reported stolen or you don't pay your bill.
Lots of people are using the Droid 4 outside of the USA, but only with GSM/3g
LTE only works with Verizon.
The Droid 4 will not work without a sim card, GSM nor LTE/CDMA.
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@sd_shadow ... appreciate the quick response and the clarification.
I read somewhere that Droid 4 can be registered with other CDMA operators outside USA only with an ESN Number, hence my question ... if that is another way to program a device with a mobile number to run without a CDMA SIM.
With regard to LTE ... If any country has a LTE network running on a frequency(700 MHz) similar to that of Verizon, then may be this phone's LTE might work ?
Probably my original question would seem relevant to a ... GSM-SIM-SLOT-modded ... Motorola Photon Q LTE (XT897) ... as that is a device which works as a programmed phone and there is no SIM Card Slot for CDMA SIM either (or has it got one ?) !!!
Any ways thanks for the information !!!
aiamuzz said:
@sd_shadow ... appreciate the quick response and the clarification.
I read somewhere that Droid 4 can be registered with other CDMA operators outside USA, hence my question if that is another way to program a device with a mobile number to run without a CDMA SIM.
With regard to LTE ... If any country has a LTE network running on a frequency(700 MHz) similar to that of verizon, then would it be likely that this phone's LTE might work ?
Any ways thanks for the information !!!
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That's alot of ifs, not many facts.
aiamuzz said:
I read somewhere that Droid 4 can be registered with other CDMA operators outside USA only with an ESN Number, hence my question ... if that is another way to program a device with a mobile number to run without a CDMA SIM.
With regard to LTE ... If any country has a LTE network running on a frequency(700 MHz) similar to that of Verizon, then may be this phone's LTE might work ?
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The Droid 4 can be manually programmed via DFS CDMA Tool, but only through the stock boot process and ROM. You would have to adapt the process a bit for a foreign carrier, of course, and getting the needed info might be slightly harder.
After being manually programmed, and if Mobile Networks > Subscription Type is set to NV-only, it can be used just like an older 3g-only phone: data works, SMS/MMS works, etc. You DO need a SIM card installed in LP, though, or it constantly complains about the SIM missing and stock SMS won't send messages. Certain KK ROMS (SlimKat for instance) don't need a SIM card installed at all. Whether the SIM is old or new, active or not, etc shouldn't matter.
Assuming you get through all that, you'd also need a carrier who is willing to add your IMEI to the network to "activate" the phone. As far as I know, no Verizon-based MVNOs do this after the beginning of this year (PagePlus was probably the last, they finally stopped after Verizon started double-charging for each activation), but I'd imagine carriers outside of the US would have less of a problem with it. Again, getting the needed information to program by hand might be difficult, and the phone can't be automatically programmed OTA.
Best way I can think of to get said information would be to get a natively 3G phone, have it programmed OTA, then access it with DFS or the like to see what the programming is like. Copy the parameters to the Droid, have service transferred to its IMEI, bam, in theory you have 3g service.
While there might be other carriers using the 700mhz LTE band, depending on how standardized LTE is or isn't, they might not be using it in the exact same way as Verizon. It's certainly possible that it would work perfectly fine, but I wouldn't bet money on it.
Septfox said:
The Droid 4 can be manually programmed via DFS CDMA Tool, but only through the stock boot process and ROM. You would have to adapt the process a bit for a foreign carrier, of course, and getting the needed info might be slightly harder.
After being manually programmed, and if Mobile Networks > Subscription Type is set to NV-only, it can be used just like an older 3g-only phone: data works, SMS/MMS works, etc. You DO need a SIM card installed in LP, though, or it constantly complains about the SIM missing and stock SMS won't send messages. Certain KK ROMS (SlimKat for instance) don't need a SIM card installed at all. Whether the SIM is old or new, active or not, etc shouldn't matter.
Assuming you get through all that, you'd also need a carrier who is willing to add your IMEI to the network to "activate" the phone. As far as I know, no Verizon-based MVNOs do this after the beginning of this year (PagePlus was probably the last, they finally stopped after Verizon started double-charging for each activation), but I'd imagine carriers outside of the US would have less of a problem with it. Again, getting the needed information to program by hand might be difficult, and the phone can't be automatically programmed OTA.
Best way I can think of to get said information would be to get a natively 3G phone, have it programmed OTA, then access it with DFS or the like to see what the programming is like. Copy the parameters to the Droid, have service transferred to its IMEI, bam, in theory you have 3g service.
While there might be other carriers using the 700mhz LTE band, depending on how standardized LTE is or isn't, they might not be using it in the exact same way as Verizon. It's certainly possible that it would work perfectly fine, but I wouldn't bet money on it.
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thanks @Septfox ...
So if One was using SLIMCAT ROM and somehow programmed the phone to say a CDMA operator(the way you've described), say in India(from where i am) ... then without a CDMA SIM card this phone's Call, SMS & Data(3G) should work just fine ?
During such an instance if i load a GSM SIM of another operator what would be the situation ?
I am just looking at using CDMA for Call & SMS(would be good too if Data worked) ... And from my GSM SIM i would like to use only the Data !
So what are the chances of that ?
aiamuzz said:
thanks @Septfox ...
So if One was using SLIMCAT ROM and somehow programmed the phone to say a CDMA operator(the way you've described), say in India(from where i am) ... then without a CDMA SIM card this phone's Call, SMS & Data(3G) should work just fine ?
During such an instance if i load a GSM SIM of another operator what would be the situation ?
I am just looking at using CDMA for Call & SMS(would be good too if Data worked) ... And from my GSM SIM i would like to use only the Data !
So what are the chances of that ?
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Droid 4 cannot use cdma and gms at the same time.
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sd_shadow said:
Droid 4 cannot use cdma and gms at the same time.
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:crying:
well, i was hoping it would !
Ok, Coming to these phones on sale on Ebay with clean ESN and those with bad ESN's !
In US and with Verizon may be a bad ESN phone is nothing but a paper weight!
Where does it stand with other CDMA operators in US ?
&
Where does it stand with CDMA operators outside US ?
aiamuzz said:
:crying:
well, i was hoping it would !
Ok, Coming to these phones on sale on Ebay with clean ESN and those with bad ESN's !
In US and with Verizon may be a bad ESN phone is nothing but a paper weight!
Where does it stand with other CDMA operators in US ?
&
Where does it stand with CDMA operators outside US ?
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Clean and bad esn, usually only refers to verizon, carriers usually do not share blacked listed info.
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If you want a phone that will work with non verizon carrier in the USA I wouldn't get the Droid 4.
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If you want a phone that will work with non verizon carrier in the USA I wouldn't get the Droid 4.
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not that it applies to me, but i would certainly like to be informed !
may be someone else may find the info useful, well that's the whole idea behind this thread ... isn't it now ?
If you want a phone that works on cdma outside of the USA, do not get the Droid 4, it was not designed for that.
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At best you will have limited compatibility.
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aiamuzz said:
So if One was using SLIMCAT ROM and somehow programmed the phone to say a CDMA operator(the way you've described), say in India(from where i am) ... then without a CDMA SIM card this phone's Call, SMS & Data(3G) should work just fine ?
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In theory, yes. As long as the channels match up, CDMA service is pretty standard as far as I know. And to be as clear as possible: you can use any ROM, if you have an LTE SIM card installed. The SIM doesn't need to be active, as it isn't actually used if the phone is manually programmed, it is simply there to make the phone stop complaining about a missing SIM.
To reiterate though, this is all in theory. As @sd_shadow said, to use 3G CDMA outside of the US, you might want to find a phone that does it natively. The Droid 4 was intended for 4G LTE/voice over CDMA in the US, and GSM internationally. Trying to get it working on a non-Verizon CDMA carrier should be done as a curiosity, not out of expectation that it will work.
As for non-Verizon carriers in the US, there are at least a couple; Boost and Sprint come to mind. Verizon is the primary CDMA operator here, most other carriers claiming CDMA service are actually MVNOs (Mobile Virtual Network Operator) who "rent" capacity on Verizon's network and resell it to customers as prepaid packages. Verizon MVNOs will refuse to activate the Droid 4 for 3G-only service, as its IMEI immediately gives it away as a 4G LTE device. Boost and Sprint probably won't care, so long as the phone operates on the same channels, but they also won't offer any assistance in programming a phone if it can't be done OTA.
Wherever you are, you would probably have an easier time finding a GSM carrier, since all of the needed information is on the SIM card. There are a lot more "ifs" and "maybes" when it comes to CDMA when it can't be automatically programmed, unfortunately. That said, if you have a particular carrier in mind, it may be worth looking around the internet to see if anyone else has tried to program this phone or the RAZR (which apparently has a similar radio); it might turn out they've already gathered all the necessary information, and it's a matter of entering it all into your phone. Finding information for Sprint and Boost should be easy; carriers outside the US might be a bit more difficult.
Lastly, it's worth pointing out that the Photon Q is a physically similar CDMA phone with technically superior specs, already on the Sprint network. It lacks a SIM slot, though, without some delicate modifications to the mainboard and case, so it can't be as readily moved to GSM service. It's also not as well-supported here (at least, the last I checked) as the Droid 4, so its ROMs might still have some outstanding bugs.
Also like sd_shadow, you can't use CDMA and GSM service at the same time. Stock and most AOSP-based ROMS are configured for Verizon 4G/CDMA service by default, and have to be patched to change over to GSM; this necessarily disables some CDMA functionality. To undo the patch, you have to reflash the ROM (or replace the files that the patch changes, if you backed them up).
How can I turn on the keyboard backlight of my droid 4....now I am operating on jellybean...help me with this!!
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How can I turn on the keyboard backlight of my droid 4....now I am operating on jellybean...help me with this!!
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Which system version?
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98.72.18.XT894.Verizon.en.us
This is my system version