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So I had my G1 for a day and I decided to root it and put a custom rom in it; I am used to the way you do it on windows mobile so I found this pretty tricky and I did something wrong from a tutorial : I first installed Danger-spl without radio. So I wanted to know if there is anyway to force it to enter recovery mode ( it can't with the key combinations ) or I heard about the ORT and some other tools that could fix it. Could anyone clear things up a bit? Thank you in advance.
Nope, you have the famous Danger SPL brick. The issue is an incompatibility with the radio, recovery and SPL. Basically, it has a recovery boot flag that can't be erased, but the recovery can't boot.
Yep thats the reason they call it danger spl.
i forgot exactly, but i remember reading some where on forums that if you have a second G1 you can revive yours transfering some hardware, so you might get a cheap fix if you buy a g1 with broken screen or something.
In the instructions it says the following;
"DO NOT SKIP THIS NEXT STEP OR YOU WILL BRICK YOUR PHONE
You must have the latest radio "2_22_19_26I" or "2_22_23_02" to flash this SPL if you already have the latest radio you should not have to flash it again but it will not hurt if you do flash it again. When in doubt flash it anyway. "
I found that in the four or five times I have rooted phones I have always had Radio 2.22.12.26I, so I once decieded I didnt need to flash and subsiquently flashed and BRICKED my phone.
Always flash radio before spl regardless of whether you think you have the latest radio or not.
G1 Bricked
Okay so I can't fix it the easy way, before switching parts, what about the ORT?
Never heard of it, only fix I know without replacing parts is JTAG, which involves ~$50 of equipment and soldering to the motherboard.
I also did the exact same brick on first day I got my G1. I know the feeling it's the worst.
I took a month learning about the JTAG method and buying the parts in stages (G1 JTAG adapter shipped from Poland so took a while). Eventually I built it and I was able to successfully unbrick my G1.
It cost ~£135 to buy all the bits but I was determined to do it regardless of the cost.
There are a few on here with G1 JTAG for unbricking so maybe one who is relatively near you can help you out?
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Never heard of it, only fix I know without replacing parts is JTAG, which involves ~$50 of equipment and soldering to the motherboard.
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No soldering to the motherboard is required when using the G1 JTAG adapter.
Ah, my bad. Did little more than glance at the wiki.
I believe that they have identified the jtag points but as yet I dont think anyone has found a way to do it yet. Search for (de-bricking dreams) on here.
I think if you live in America there is a place you can try, they say there is a 80% chance of debricking, however, to do it yourself you would need the equiptment and that would cost you more than the phone is worth.
You best bet is to buy a donor g1 from ebay and replace the mainboard that cost me about £40 to do.
You could also try sending it back to t-mo and hope they just repair it, thats what happened to me and I ended up with a phone with a crack screen as a spare. Sorry for your loss I was gutted when it happened to me
P.S there is a method of changing the motherboard without soldering tutorial here: http://www.portatronics.com/guide/T-Mobile-Smartphone-Repair-Guide/
JTAG
Okay so what exactly is JTAG and how does it work? any change of finding these tools in a phone service?
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Okay so I can't fix it the easy way, before switching parts, what about the ORT?
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There is a JTAG guide: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/JTAG_DREAM_AND_MAGIC
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I believe that they have identified the jtag points but as yet I dont think anyone has found a way to do it yet. Search for (de-bricking dreams) on here.
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It's been done by at least five on here. Check out this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591048
Update
I gave it to a phone service and the guy said he'll see what he can do and that he hopes it isn't physically damaged. I will tell you what happened and if it is fixed maybe someone can learn from this; As for myself,I learned my lesson xD
Confirmation
Could anyone confirm that if I replace the motherboard with a new one ( http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-Dream-Mothe...d=ViewItem&pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3caee067e9 ) The phone will work ?
Today I bricked my captivate and tried various methods to try to unbrick it.
But looks like it is really bricked and was wondering if RIFF JTAG would help
http://www.jtagbox.com/?s=captivate
They seem to have added support for captivate today itself. So not sure how many folks would have used it to unbrick captivate, but in general has anyone used the RIFF jtag to unbrick any phone?
Or has any one used the JTAG to unbrick captivate?
Interesting find. I have very little experience with JTAG so can't really help but I am curious to know what you find out. Keep us posted.
I too have truely bricked my captivate. Quite upsetting but I have been wondering about these options as well
Me too, Me too, Mines bricked from bad bootloader, I can't get anything to show up, not even the (phone --- ! --- PC) thing.
Found a forum that people have successfully unbricked with the JTAG, but I have yet to get in touch with any of them to see if I can get them to unbrick mine for me.
If anyone is willing to do this, I'd be willing to pay some $ for it, I don't trust my soldering skills, or I'd buy the JTAG and attempt it myself.
Thanks!
- Greg C.
I was skeptical at first, but when I saw the device itself and its specifications I can believe it does what it says for sure. Would be interested to know how much it costs though. Has anybody inquired as to its cost yet, by chance?
It costs $150 US including delivery. Tempting...
No JIG no JTAG
psyonide said:
Me too, Me too, Mines bricked from bad bootloader, I can't get anything to show up, not even the (phone --- ! --- PC) thing.
Found a forum that people have successfully unbricked with the JTAG, but I have yet to get in touch with any of them to see if I can get them to unbrick mine for me.
If anyone is willing to do this, I'd be willing to pay some $ for it, I don't trust my soldering skills, or I'd buy the JTAG and attempt it myself.
Thanks!
- Greg C.
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I was skeptical at first, but when I saw the device itself and its specifications I can believe it does what it says for sure. Would be interested to know how much it costs though. Has anybody inquired as to its cost yet, by chance?
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You guys don't need JTAG.. If you don't wanna mess around with soldering and Jig, try the method in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=889128
Takes a little time but cheap and no soldering or breaking a usb cord required..
Tried that resistor trick, didn't work on my bricked phone, but it did work on my replacement.
I'd love to get my brick working again so my fiancee can have it.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
And it does work, there is a JTAG forum that one particular person has unbricked over 20 phones, a few of which were Captivates
Sent from my Captivate
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You guys don't need JTAG.. If you don't wanna mess around with soldering and Jig, try the method in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=889128
Takes a little time but cheap and no soldering or breaking a usb cord required..
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Ricky, you think I'd spend $150 if it only fixed Captivates when I can easily fix it with a jig on a soft brick? It advertises that it can unbrick most modern phones including Androids and Iphone. That is tempting, imo.
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Ricky, you think I'd spend $150 if it only fixed Captivates when I can easily fix it with a jig on a soft brick? It advertises that it can unbrick most modern phones including Androids and Iphone. That is tempting, imo.
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If a Jig doesn't fix it, i'd sell my Captivate for parts rather than a JTag
Hey, I'm in Belgium and can unbrick model you want...
Most of cases you do not need a JTAG. You may want to try a jig first.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...47234&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_511wt_1139
I own a RIFF BOX!
Hi there!. Any members that are having this same issue please contact me if you need help. I own a RIFF box and have succesfully unbricked several now.
I am in Madison, WI USA. If members need unbricking i will do it for very inexpensive. Cover shipping and a pack of smokes. I own a cell/computer repair business and I am legitimate so no worries there. I can also give anyone the guerst login to our security camerasa if you would like to see the shop our the reassurance you will get your phone back alive and kickin.
Just wanna do something for the forum community that has helped me out so much mastering the Droid world.
Does anyone know how to initiate a JTAG with out the riff box. Im more than capable of jtaging and have tons of tools as I am an electrical engineering student. Im not getting definitive answers from people online they all want me to send the my phone and $50 to them. I know you can get RIFF software from theyre site but I wont pay $150 for the RIFF box.
adam oulter has also suggested this is possible in a thread but he never tried it. he seems to have an idea of what you need. like a computer with a parallel port and software but i think he is trying to avoid the need to try it untill he has a way to force download mode and flash the normal way even with bad bootloaders or param.ifs. that is what he is actively developing and he wants the jtag to be a backup, and the riffbox service from connexion is a backup for his backup.
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I spoke with someone from mobile tech videos on youtube about jtagging with out RIFF he said "ORT Tool or maybe the SPT box but both require the same level of soldering. I must warn you though, the Captivate is most likely harder to solder than anything you have ever done. It's pads are .1mm in size and spacing and I know many electrical engineers that consider it extremely challenging." Im just freaking out because my baby (captivate) is dead. Maybe Ill just go play dumb at AT&T or blame it on KIES since Ive seen people say the bricked the bootloader with kies
if the phone doesnt boot they cant prove anything.
Dont blame it on keis. none of the keis updates touch bootloaders. so this should not happen. dont blame bootloaders at all.
ALL YOU SAY "it stopped working. i woke up, it was dead"
THATS ALL YOU NEED TO SAY.
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adam oulter has also suggested this is possible in a thread but he never tried it. he seems to have an idea of what you need. like a computer with a parallel port and software but i think he is trying to avoid the need to try it untill he has a way to force download mode and flash the normal way even with bad bootloaders or param.ifs. that is what he is actively developing and he wants the jtag to be a backup, and the riffbox service from connexion is a backup for his backup.
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That about sums it up... however we are exploring UART, I2C, Serial, USB, and all other methods of communications supported by the Application processor... maybe even tunnling though the call processor into the application processor... Basically, if we can get something into memory and then tell the processor to execute that code, we'd be in business.
There's about 25 total external pins available on the phone, two of which we believe make up the "EXT-I2C" bus. This would allow almost direct communication with the Application Processor and OneNand. .... Gotta find those pins.
There's nearly 20 test-points on the main-board inside the phone... 5 of those testpoints are likely the "OM" pins. If we can locate and apply 3.7VDC to OM5, then we can get the memory value OM=9 to change to OM=10+ which would allow booting from the external MMC card.
Research still needs to be done and the single diagnostic output we have located thus far is UART which uses the USB port... 619kohm resistor between pins 4-5, and read/write to D+ and D- on the USB port.
All of these things need help. You can help with your brick. Bricks will put out UART communications.
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I spoke with someone from mobile tech videos on youtube about jtagging with out RIFF he said "ORT Tool or maybe the SPT box but both require the same level of soldering. I must warn you though, the Captivate is most likely harder to solder than anything you have ever done. It's pads are .1mm in size and spacing and I know many electrical engineers that consider it extremely challenging." Im just freaking out because my baby (captivate) is dead. Maybe Ill just go play dumb at AT&T or blame it on KIES since Ive seen people say the bricked the bootloader with kies
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You can contact Connexion2005. He can JTAG your phone. it's been made easy now because I located the proper jacks and recepticals, and had a couple of receptical circuitboards made for JTAG.
Just to clarify...... my definition of brick...
1. black screen
2. unresponsive to buttons or button combos
3. appears to operate equally with or without the battery
4. 301Kohm resistor between USB pins 4-5 is not effective
If it does not meet those qualifications, then it's not really bricked. it just needs to have software reloaded.
Im gonna give the jig a whirl just in case. i think I got a waranty on my phone so if jig dont work I may just tell ATT its stolen, get a new one and use the old one for testing. Ill post results of the jig afterwards. Can I just use a micro usb wall plug for jig, I only got 1 USB-micro cable and I aint cutting it lol.
Which jig? Usb or uart?
I tried to just use resistors only and I had 270k and 39k ohms which reads 298.8k on my DMM and on mobile tech videos he said he did it with 295k so it should work......but it didnt. Ripped apart my ONLY micro usb cable cable tried to touch the leads to the resistors......nothing ://....soldering Iron is warming up gotta make sure leads are solid.
Well I guess its off to AT&T lol cuz it aint doin nothin right now. Its $125 deductible If i say i lost it so no candidate for a lab rat. Now i gotta rock this busted old cracked screen samsung solstice til I get my new one. I appreciate your help immensely guys, this is why I love this community.
The RIFF will run you closer to $225 after shipping as it's all overseas and they only ship with big carriers and ground shipping.
I've been pricing them at $190 on ebay.
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I've been pricing them at $190 on ebay.
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This is true if you can find the parcel post China sellers. Good luck if you ever need support though or a return! There are definitely some defective boxes floating around that will have you pulling out your hair until your realize it's a RIFF hardware defect. One of my boxes I believe has an issue with i897 ressurection and has me thinking it's why I was successful on the the i897 I did a few days back.
Hi to all can someone tell me how to open riff jtag manager without box
AdamOutler said:
Just to clarify...... my definition of brick...
1. black screen
2. unresponsive to buttons or button combos
3. appears to operate equally with or without the battery
4. 301Kohm resistor between USB pins 4-5 is not effective
If it does not meet those qualifications, then it's not really bricked. it just needs to have software reloaded.
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I have a captivate board that you can have if you want it. I believe that it is softbricked. Though due to the busted screen I can't say for sure. I have a T959D screen that doesn't have a board which I have dremeled here and there to be able to accept the captivate board which you can have too.
If you can cover shipping it's yours or if I pay shipping could you help me with unbricking my SGH-I727R. I bricked it during a failed ODIN flashing of clockworkmod. For some reason the partition box got auto ticked the second time by the time I stopped my wide eyed loud inhale "OHHH NOO" it was all over.
I can get QHUSB mode. At least I was able to until the USB gave out. I had another USB board but it came from a corroded phone and during the cleaning I knocked off two resistors. I salvaged the same two resistors I knocked off from a the broken board. The person I got the phone from somehow managed to melt the USB cable to the phone, how this was achieved I haven't a clue.
Anyway I haven't gotten around to soldering the resistors to the board yet, I was waiting for a new soldering iron to come come in. It did the other day and I have to pick it up. Sorry for the rambling if you would like the captivate board to play with and or the T959D's screen let me know and we can arrange shipping etc...Thanks
A work friend of mine had his Captivate bricked mid update by his child.
I offered to fix it, brought it back by Heimdall (2.2). Charged it for about an hour and a half, then decided to try to upgrade it to gingerbread through Kies mini on my wife's laptop. It got stuck at 4%, and after a while I figured I could use Heimdall again, then flash 2.3 through other means.
Problem is now I can't get into download mode, nor powered on to the phone ! PC screen.
I owned a captivate before switching to Sprint, soft bricked it numerous times (Odin was my best friend) haven't ran into this problem before.
What next?
Sent from my Evo w/ CM7 using XDA App
So...it does nothing at all? Just sits there like a bag o'marbles?
If so, Sounds like it failed while updating bootloaders, and if that's the case it's bricked, like brick bricked. Only unbrickable mod can bring it back.
On a side note FU kies for flashing the bootloaders FIRST, that's just dumb....they should be at the end so if it does disconnect or fail it would most likely be before it got to the dangerous part, making it a safer flash. Wtf were they thinking?
Kind of what I feared, thought it was odd that it crashed the phone that hard after only 4%.
Luckily he's already got a new phone, I was just curious if I could bring the old one back to life.
Was kind of hoping it might be a battery thing.
Sent from my Evo w/ CM7 using XDA App
studacris said:
So...it does nothing at all? Just sits there like a bag o'marbles?
If so, Sounds like it failed while updating bootloaders, and if that's the case it's bricked, like brick bricked. Only unbrickable mod can bring it back.
On a side note FU kies for flashing the bootloaders FIRST, that's just dumb....they should be at the end so if it does disconnect or fail it would most likely be before it got to the dangerous part, making it a safer flash. Wtf were they thinking?
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Heimdall does flash bl last. And when i make an Odin package with boots, i put them last in order.
Sent from my SGH-I897 using xda premium
I'm aware.... Just another example of the inefficiency of the companies compared to us dorks who do this as a hobby.
studacris said:
So...it does nothing at all? Just sits there like a bag o'marbles?
If so, Sounds like it failed while updating bootloaders, and if that's the case it's bricked, like brick bricked. Only unbrickable mod can bring it back.
On a side note FU kies for flashing the bootloaders FIRST, that's just dumb....they should be at the end so if it does disconnect or fail it would most likely be before it got to the dangerous part, making it a safer flash. Wtf were they thinking?
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That is incorrect. You could have Mobile Tech Videos JTAG it and resurrect it. Although the unbrickable mod is the prefered solution (Hence unbrickable) JTAG is for the people who have never held a soldering iron in their hands before. They are reliable and can have your phone running stock within 5 days of mailing it off.
Off topic: why would it be so hard for samsung to solder those couple wires that make up the unbrickable mod in factory during production. Theres another defficiency in over seas companies, they try to get off doing as little work as possible. When you make a phone running an open source OS, 99% some kid in his basement is going to mod it to perform better than stock OS. which is the case of most androids. Cmon' samsung! get your act together!
Yes....jtag can bring it back, but once and then it.can be bricked again, why do that when you can send it to mobiletechvideos and get unbrickable mod applied? he offers that service too.
a solution and then A chance to brick and have to send it off again, versus a solution that is done once and then after that is fixable by the user themself...i am aware of jtag but on phones that have unbrickable mod it's really just too antiquated to be a viable option, which is why i didn't mention it.
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Yes....jtag can bring it back, but once and then it.can be bricked again, why do that when you can send it to mobiletechvideos and get unbrickable mod applied? he offers that service too.
a solution and then A chance to brick and have to send it off again, versus a solution that is done once and then after that is fixable by the user themself...i am aware of jtag but on phones that have unbrickable mod it's really just too antiquated to be a viable option, which is why i didn't mention it.
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Was not aware of that haha. Definately if deciding between JTAG for 40$ and Unbrickable mod for 45$, the 5$ will save you whole lot of time, money, and headaches.
McSpammer5 said:
That is incorrect. You could have Mobile Tech Videos JTAG it and resurrect it. Although the unbrickable mod is the prefered solution (Hence unbrickable) JTAG is for the people who have never held a soldering iron in their hands before. They are reliable and can have your phone running stock within 5 days of mailing it off.
Off topic: why would it be so hard for samsung to solder those couple wires that make up the unbrickable mod in factory during production. Theres another defficiency in over seas companies, they try to get off doing as little work as possible. When you make a phone running an open source OS, 99% some kid in his basement is going to mod it to perform better than stock OS. which is the case of most androids. Cmon' samsung! get your act together!
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FYI...mobile tech videos will also do the unbrickable mod for you... either option is available from them. AdamOutler will also do it for you last i heard 30 bucks after shipping.
are you friggin kidding me?? its not just regular soldering... or a regular soldering iron. And JTag is a method of using open pads on the mainboard, used by almost all cell companies to program the phones and allows direct input/output control. And until AdamOutler's research into the processor was the only way to de-brick. oh.. and on some phones JTag requires soldering..
WIKIPEDIA Jtag.
TRusselo said:
FYI...mobile tech videos will also do the unbrickable mod for you... either option is available from them. AdamOutler will also do it for you last i heard 30 bucks after shipping.
are you friggin kidding me?? its not just regular soldering... or a regular soldering iron. And JTag is a method of using open pads on the mainboard, used by almost all cell companies to program the phones and allows direct input/output control. And until AdamOutler's research into the processor was the only way to de-brick. oh.. and on some phones JTag requires soldering..
WIKIPEDIA Jtag.
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This is why I am tinkering with software, and not hardware ^.^. Thanks for the info.
Hi,
Last week my Optimus 2x was a bit unlucky. It burned charging port.
Everything will be fine but I had Django Manouche ROM.
Ofcourse my first though was to change rom for orginal one and then send it to LG for repair. Unlucky computer connection port is same that just burned.
So without thinking, I send it to LG Poland. After few days I got negative answer - Rom was changed so they wont repair.
Nowadays I'm arguing with them to get explanation, how its possible that USB charger that i used is still working, phone is working (if it have battery juice) and they are saying they won't repair it because of ROM change.
Is anyone here know, is it possible that drivers from kernel burned my charging port ?
Maybe its bigger problem and not only mine phone can have this issue ?
I looked in this file: "https://github.com/CyanogenMod/lge-kernel-star/blob/jellybean/drivers/power/su660_battery.c" (My acc dont have 10 post so link is like this). Obviously its reposible for battery but i think many ppl is using it in his kernels (probably even LG) and it should work.
Best regards
Cameleeck
PS. I asked LG for answer which exactly file could destroy my device. I will be reporting what they answered.
LoL, blame yourself. If you agree to use a non manufacturer aproved software, he has no obligation to provide you with any warranty. Whatever the cause of problem may be, service guys cannot even diagnose the phone as custom rom is there and they have no obligation to clean your rom mess, as it is wasted unpaid labour time for them. Don't you understand that each kernel mods can cause some sort of hang up with resulting endless charging without temp thresholds? Let us just be fair, everything has its own risks. Just pay the repair fee. For this old model those are just couple drinks at bar and with preserved nerves and time.
So let us call it death at frontlines...
Sent from my HTC One SV using xda premium
I understand risk that i took. Well it can happen, actually i wanted to change this phone But still there can be tons of ppl using some kind of soft that can be risky - as a developer i want to provide some help for a guys that still can have wrong software. So thats why im asking about help and about drivers.
And if we talk about expenses:
Let us just be fair, everything has its own risks. Just pay the repair fee. For this old model those are just couple drinks at bar and with preserved nerves and time.
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They said they can repair it at cost about 200 euro - so probably this price is much bigger than couple of drinks in bar
Still, my questions didnt change.
If someone had this kind of issues or just made some tweaks in battery managment/charging in Android that can explain or even make direction where to look please left here some response.
Then maybe I will apologize to C++ and can make some patch for kernel or even better: maybe there is someone that can make it on his own.
Guaranty says that changing soft voids it, so nothing will help there.
Mam do zaoferowania LG 2X, bo obecnie mam dwa
Actually you're wrong.
Rooting and flashing does NOT void your warranty - at least for us lucky EU citiziens.
http://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
So if you're still under warranty tell LG that you demand a repair on warranty and won't accept a fine.
Apart from that: Yes, if you mess with your kernel you can hardbrick your device. Frying a port is possible e.g. playing with the voltages.
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Actually you're wrong.
Rooting and flashing does NOT void your warranty - at least for us lucky EU citiziens.
http://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
So if you're still under warranty tell LG that you demand a repair on warranty and won't accept a fine.
Apart from that: Yes, if you mess with your kernel you can hardbrick your device. Frying a port is possible e.g. playing with the voltages.
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Tony, do you ever sleep?
But you are a bit wrong here . You are forgetting about the other dark side ehrm...
For example... ... You will find warranty rules for this on each manufacturer site somewhere and for some phones in the brochure and book that came with phone inside the box, that covers up warranty rules and by buying the device you even sign those evil papers with the small font print on it...
We are not that strict about rooting, although with that you can also load some sort of dumb overclocking modules and screw the whole voltage table via insmod and burn the device, ain't it? There for I was always strict about fast charge and similar mods, too much risks involved, and the end users don't really understand them and here is a fine example and result of it.
So you are missing the point mates. Warranty repair... Altering the rom brings really pain for service guys. How do you imagine we are repairing them? Do you ever imagined what for is that hidden service menu? If a custom rom is present, that APK is thrown out, we have no manufacturer support and instruments to find out what on earth happened to the board and do basic diagnosis. SWAP the board? Are you nuts? Afterwards the board is shipped to motherland and they test them via their own secret birth cradle - jtag as they diagnose and refurbish them. Then they will see that those dumbarses didn't even test the phone as alien OS is present there and the service location will be fined with full swap price as a punishment as we didn't obey the contract.
For example HTC or Sony involves online logging system for each phone, where basic parameters are sent and self test data. If bootloader or OS is tampered we cannot do anything, none of manufacturer self test calibration program tools work as in hell custom OS doesn't provide compatibility with that!
So in the service location are mere contract people(although Polish, the second worst service locations in EU, the worst is Romania, although in Regenersis as far I know mostly romanians are being enslav... excuse me labored , god they have such poor repair quality since ages).
But leaving that aside, service location clean out the mess made by greedy manufacturers and egoistic users, we are not the manufacturer, imagine all the device mess around and for one guy to know how to unroot, change bootloader seek for nvflashes etc stuff... nope... noone does it, we need to feed our families too and the repair queues are long enough too, the stupid peace of plastic ain't worth it it consumes so much time and other people are waiting for the repair too. There for You were fined with motherboard replacement price... although 200$... ok those are two evenings in a bar...
So if you alter the OS/root, we cannot repair the damn phone, for example a silly broken touch screen. You just replace the darn thing and that's it, that is my software etc, well then who will calibrate that thing? Call the mojo battery calibration app, yes? LoL? Again flash stock OS? Oh crap wrong bootloader, oh crap version mismatch? What on earth the user flashed in, oh good it was found on some native china forums :cyclops:
So none of service locations will argue about power users who can clean up their mess and bring a reflashed clean device, no matter what you did before the device, the user has respect for our work and time and is willing to make the repair faster. But this isn't the case as USB is burned out.
And to this case specifically... yes you are busted, worst case scenario. If you won't pay and will argue, ok then the independent expertise will be needed = 100$. Then you must go to court, although the expert can also tell that it is your fault and then you are busted again.
But if the expert is dumb enough, then in the court what will the lawyers say... just what Tony did... playing with voltages can burn your phone just like a lousy screaming witch on a stick. And you signed those vicious papers, and you also knew about the risks just as in HTC site is stated word by word. Pay the expertise and court costs . [That happens always, default scenario]
I guess I made clear my point of view why altering the software voids your warranty, as it simply becomes irreparable brick in most cases.
About that fsfe.org... bull*** every argument there can be overthrown, believe me, I know, they have the common sense sentence there, it gives a lot of freedom
Ferrum Master said:
Tony, do you ever sleep?
But you are a bit wrong here . You are forgetting about the other dark side ehrm...
For example... ... You will find warranty rules for this on each manufacturer site somewhere and for some phones in the brochure and book that came with phone inside the box, that covers up warranty rules and by buying the device you even sign those evil papers with the small font print on it...
We are not that strict about rooting, although with that you can also load some sort of dumb overclocking modules and screw the whole voltage table via insmod and burn the device, ain't it? There for I was always strict about fast charge and similar mods, too much risks involved, and the end users don't really understand them and here is a fine example and result of it.
So you are missing the point mates. Warranty repair... Altering the rom brings really pain for service guys. How do you imagine we are repairing them? Do you ever imagined what for is that hidden service menu? If a custom rom is present, that APK is thrown out, we have no manufacturer support and instruments to find out what on earth happened to the board and do basic diagnosis. SWAP the board? Are you nuts? Afterwards the board is shipped to motherland and they test them via their own secret birth cradle - jtag as they diagnose and refurbish them. Then they will see that those dumbarses didn't even test the phone as alien OS is present there and the service location will be fined with full swap price as a punishment as we didn't obey the contract.
For example HTC or Sony involves online logging system for each phone, where basic parameters are sent and self test data. If bootloader or OS is tampered we cannot do anything, none of manufacturer self test calibration program tools work as in hell custom OS doesn't provide compatibility with that!
So in the service location are mere contract people(although Polish, the second worst service locations in EU, the worst is Romania, although in Regenersis as far I know mostly romanians are being enslav... excuse me labored , god they have such poor repair quality since ages).
But leaving that aside, service location clean out the mess made by greedy manufacturers and egoistic users, we are not the manufacturer, imagine all the device mess around and for one guy to know how to unroot, change bootloader seek for nvflashes etc stuff... nope... noone does it, we need to feed our families too and the repair queues are long enough too, the stupid peace of plastic ain't worth it it consumes so much time and other people are waiting for the repair too. There for You were fined with motherboard replacement price... although 200$... ok those are two evenings in a bar...
So if you alter the OS/root, we cannot repair the damn phone, for example a silly broken touch screen. You just replace the darn thing and that's it, that is my software etc, well then who will calibrate that thing? Call the mojo battery calibration app, yes? LoL? Again flash stock OS? Oh crap wrong bootloader, oh crap version mismatch? What on earth the user flashed in, oh good it was found on some native china forums :cyclops:
So none of service locations will argue about power users who can clean up their mess and bring a reflashed clean device, no matter what you did before the device, the user has respect for our work and time and is willing to make the repair faster. But this isn't the case as USB is burned out.
And to this case specifically... yes you are busted, worst case scenario. If you won't pay and will argue, ok then the independent expertise will be needed = 100$. Then you must go to court, although the expert can also tell that it is your fault and then you are busted again.
But if the expert is dumb enough, then in the court what will the lawyers say... just what Tony did... playing with voltages can burn your phone just like a lousy screaming witch on a stick. And you signed those vicious papers, and you also knew about the risks just as in HTC site is stated word by word. Pay the expertise and court costs . [That happens always, default scenario]
I guess I made clear my point of view why altering the software voids your warranty, as it simply becomes irreparable brick in most cases.
About that fsfe.org... bull*** every argument there can be overthrown, believe me, I know, they have the common sense sentence there, it gives a lot of freedom
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Uhm, well i think thats all a oint of how much the ROM is altered and is it close to stock ROM. although it´s important whats broken.
And the most important thing is how obliging the customer service is.
For Example. i used to own an Sony Xperia Mini Pro. I Messed around with a couple of ROM´s and during this procedure somehow my touch driver faded away. Well there was warranty on it and the actual ROM was ROOTED AND CUSTOM but very close to stock.
I send it in and after the short service time of 6 weeks Sony said that they Can´t repair the device but they are giving me the actually worth oft the phone back. (so i lost 20€ from original price)
That´s that.
On the other Hand there are Ways to Prevent users from F***ing up the system
I owned an Alcaltel onetouch (don´t remember the number) with every update Alcatel Killed Root accses with every update the Good dev´s who worked on this phone must find a new way to get Root.
This Part is to the OP
But besides all That. Android is an open source system and everybody who uses a Custom Rom and OC the Phone or Alter the Kernel should not Cry when its broke. You know the risk guys if you root and customize a phone with warranty don´t expect the Producer to help you if you f**k up the phone with obviously things like OC or Fast Charge -Fast Charge i don´t get this anyway i charge my phone over night thats that i thin 6 hours are enough time so i don´t need a phone charged in 30 min -
Did you know that you can cause you cell to - in worst case every - Explode because of fast Charging?
All Limitations the Producer makes are mostly to prevent such thing as overheating and whatnot. Just because you can OC the CPU to 1,4 Ghz doesn´t mean you have to. Do you think when your heart beats all time on max BPM you will life long? think about that.
I used to own a HTC Desire HD there where models where you could OC from 1Ghz stock up to 1,8 Ghz seriously would you try it?
Well that really grinds my gears today ^^
Odp: [Q] Battery driver and charging port burned
tonyp said:
Actually you're wrong.
Rooting and flashing does NOT void your warranty - at least for us lucky EU citiziens.
http://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
So if you're still under warranty tell LG that you demand a repair on warranty and won't accept a fine.
Apart from that: Yes, if you mess with your kernel you can hardbrick your device. Frying a port is possible e.g. playing with the voltages.
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But in my warranty card, there is a paragraph saying that any modifications done on software voids warranty.
So I was aware of that.
OP, there's also a way if they really don't want to accept warranty because custom rom. I did it once to them, because I am living in Poland too. Put your phone in microwave and set it for a a second. It should hard damage motherboard and LG won't be able to read if rom was changed. I was lucky with LG P500 this way, but maybe now things changed.
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Rayman96 said:
But in my warranty card, there is a paragraph saying that any modifications done on software voids warranty.
So I was aware of that.
OP, there's also a way if they really don't want to accept warranty because custom rom. I did it once to them, because I am living in Poland too. Put your phone in microwave and set it for a a second. It should hard damage motherboard and LG won't be able to read if rom was changed. I was lucky with LG P500 this way, but maybe now things changed.
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Yes this might be an option rayman96 but OP has to be sure that´s there no other way.
Rayman96 said:
But in my warranty card, there is a paragraph saying that any modifications done on software voids warranty.
So I was aware of that.
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But this doesn't matter. They can't just write into their warranty "what's written in law doesn't matter".
Okay they can "write" it in, but if there's a law that states otherwise that's useless.
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tonyp said:
But this doesn't matter. They can't just write into their warranty "what's written in law doesn't matter".
Okay they can "write" it in, but if there's a law that states otherwise that's useless.
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Interesting, can you provide me source which says rooting does not voids warranty?
Edit: sorry, i missed it somehow