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I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
When directly compare WM phones and iPhone (let's leave Linux, Symbian, Palm and Blackberry out of this for now), the majority of serious Smart Phone/ PDA Phone users out there would say WM is better, can do more. So, what is the idea of making WM phones look and act like iPhone. Don't get me wrong, All the developers in this forum making software such as Slide2Unlock and iContact are great, they have proved the superiority of WM phone.
I like my WM phone, it is great. And, I will never make it looks like iPhone. For you people want to make your WM looks like iPhone, why don't you just go get an iPhone and stop make people say WM phone is poor men's alternative to iPhone. I'd say iPhone is the dumb people's alternative to WM phone.
That is very true. the iphone is the dumb people phone, but it is still a very very neat phone. I will eventually end up getting one just because of the wow and neat factor. One thing also is that it is good that apple released a phone like this because now a benchmark is set and i know over time htc will exceed that mark with great products. I love my pocket pc's and will not give it up for an iphone. But we must also admit that it is a neat phone to mess around with.
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I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
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You are absolutly right. I don't understand them too, and i love my Windows Mobile phone and my usefull today screen. Its funny to read that, because yesterday i wrote an blog-entry about that ;-)
I tend to agree. Apple have got great marketing though - You cannot deny them that. It's shiny, got whistles and bells and i-tunes. Of course people are going to buy it.
I'll stick with my wm device though. Sure I have to overclock the little sucker to get it to operate at a reasonable pace, but I can do with it as I please. I've learnt a lot about my device, software, registry etc . . . How are you gonna get that experience from an i_phone?? (it depends what you want out of a phone i suppose)
I think it may well be like the first time I got my hands on a N95. I was going to get one. . . . then ten minutes later the novelty had worn off (and the battery was pretty worn out too and I resigned myself to the fact that I like my wm5.
I think the i_phone craze is here for now, but a few months after launch here (and Europe) and the honeymoon period will be over and it will just be the latest phone, only to be shortly superceded by the 'next big thing'.
Respect to the people making some of the apps that appear on the i_phone OS and sorting them for wm use. That gives our community even more potential for their devices. Without the developers our wm devices would be no better than all the other phones out there.
i_phone, love it or hate it, you can't deny it's going to eclipse all other mobile releases for some time.
(I think I am going to go and dig out my old 5110, that'll show them in the office tomorrow!)
Rant over.
I disagree.
It's not for many people a matter of good or bad design, it's a competition.
How perfect can we simulate iPhone-Apps, how perfect can we design the UI.
That are the interesting things for many of us.
The same story as Windows Vista arrived. How many of us had before "green gras" as TodayScreen, because it's so beautiful?
No, it's a battle of ideas, a competition. For many users...
which is more towards status symbol
iphone or Jasjam?
CameoTabby said:
I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
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Because we all know that WM phones are FAR superior in terms of tech specs and features to the iphone, but are inferior in terms of an interface/eye candy.
So we want the best of both worlds. An iPhone interface on a powerful WM phone.
Is that really such a bad thing?
"iphone or Jasjam?"
dont think status symbols are that general
i mean if you ask really rich people
something like this
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2007/06/gold_and_diamon.html
would be a status symbol
if you ask a evil genius a vulcano island with henchmen in stick spandex uniforms maybe more soo
if pda nut Jasjam
if your a fasion statement phone user maybe iphone..
There's only one reason iPhone is so popular: marketing. iPhone even has been an item on the the 8o clock news on television (netherlands). Was HTC's P3300 on the news? NO, but it can do 10x more things than the iphone can! It has GPS, word, push email etc. etc.
Publicity makes publicity: the iphone is so populair because it is so populair. In short: this is a hype. Just like the iPod is a hype. Before there was the iPod, there were dozens of MP3 players who could all the things the iPod could do years later. Many people THINK the iPod is something special and can do things no other device can do: for example, the term 'Podcasting'. The 'Pod' suggests it can only can be done on a iPod, so n00bs buy a iPod to play podcasts.
It's just marketing that does the trick, the more people talk about it, the more people want it.
Nonetheless, the iPhone looks very good. The build quality is very good and the device is easy to understand. And important: its stable. WM5 isn't very stable and difficult to operate. My sister who's 23 isn't able to use my phone, too complicated she says wm5 is for (semi)nerds
thanks Rudegar
nice website
NxJay said:
Because we all know that WM phones are FAR superior in terms of tech specs and features to the iphone, but are inferior in terms of an interface/eye candy.
So we want the best of both worlds. An iPhone interface on a powerful WM phone.
Is that really such a bad thing?
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iPhone interface is not superior at all. There are tons launcher apps, today plug-ins for WM out there that can do much better, and many of them are freewares. What I don't get is that most people putting iPhone look alike interface on their WM phones for a simple reason: making other think they have iPhones. I really feel sorry for those people.
I always think WM phones users are intelligent people, but many among us are doing dumb thing to degrade oneself.
Yesterday was a very good day for me. A couple co-workers were showing off their brand new iPhones. After making comparisons to my 8-month-old WM phone. They became the joke of the office and one actually returned the iPhone back and placed an order for a WM phone.
The fun thing is that the only way your average WM device has better specs than the iPhone is that many of them support 3G now.
The iPhone has a 614MHz processor and some serious video horsepower as well. The limitations of the iPhone lie almost wholly in the virtual keyboard and the 3rd-party dev lockout -- both of which are artifacts of software.
CameoTabby said:
I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
When directly compare WM phones and iPhone (let's leave Linux, Symbian, Palm and Blackberry out of this for now), the majority of serious Smart Phone/ PDA Phone users out there would say WM is better, can do more. So, what is the idea of making WM phones look and act like iPhone. Don't get me wrong, All the developers in this forum making software such as Slide2Unlock and iContact are great, they have proved the superiority of WM phone.
I like my WM phone, it is great. And, I will never make it looks like iPhone. For you people want to make your WM looks like iPhone, why don't you just go get an iPhone and stop make people say WM phone is poor men's alternative to iPhone. I'd say iPhone is the dumb people's alternative to WM phone.
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It's not necessarily that people want to make their WM phone look like an iPhone, but more that there is a real desire for a fingertip interface for WM devices.
iphone is glossy. It catches the eye. It has a fun UI to play with. WM is more customizable. Alot more programs to use and have fun with. But seriously, which UI seems more fun to play with? I want to just play with an IPhone for a few days. I know after day 2 or 3, than I would care less what phone I have. Just like my MDA. Why else do I keep reflashing and resetting it up? so I don't get bored of it. LOL!
I think the iPhone has got a fancy interface but it hasn't got the features of WM and it has got a real cool factor but in useability it is WM every time.
imho then
wm vs. iphone
is much like
pc vs. console
1 is very spc'd to do what it was made to do
and not possible to customize much
it's fancy and makes people look and works out of the box
the other is very customizeable and got piles of software
one can make ones own software jack of all trades master of non
support addon hardware and is allways revolving
got a steeper learning curve and can scare n00bs away
imho it's a pretty fair comparison
Reminds me of those pity skinners that love to skin their Winblows machine as a mac (which looks f*gly anyway).
I have to agree with the thread starter. There is no point making your phone look an iPhone. Trust me , it sucks and its a waste of resources and time (It hogs up the System RAM). So for me , I'll stick with the current WM UI (Although I f***ing hate WM ..don't get me wrong guys...But I have no choice but to go with WM Devices as Palm is still left behind in the 20th Century world and Symbian isn't a OS at all [Its a joke])
When you come and think about it , sure WM devices beats hands off. But then will you get the cool X-factor (that is the superb UI and design + the OS of the iPhone - no)
Summary :-
If you want a True Smartphone/PDA Phone - WM Device
If you want a fashion gadget + MP3 Player - iPhone
If you want a phone - Nokia 3310
wm5 ..the one...& iPhone..
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i´m a wm lover, and you now why?? just because y can look to iphone and say,,,,ei man, this application is soo good, the work in iphone is in another direction..more user friendly play groud intertainement...and you ask!! soo..why do you like wm...just simple..because if i like some application on wm...i just install them on my wm5 device...and unisntall if i need...that´s simple..soo simple...wm5 is the one...iphone is very good job...soo if i ant ...just install..he..he...is a small part os wm5
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There's only one reason iPhone is so popular: marketing. iPhone even has been an item on the the 8o clock news on television (netherlands). Was HTC's P3300 on the news? NO, but it can do 10x more things than the iphone can! It has GPS, word, push email etc. etc.
Publicity makes publicity: the iphone is so populair because it is so populair. In short: this is a hype. Just like the iPod is a hype. Before there was the iPod, there were dozens of MP3 players who could all the things the iPod could do years later. Many people THINK the iPod is something special and can do things no other device can do: for example, the term 'Podcasting'. The 'Pod' suggests it can only can be done on a iPod, so n00bs buy a iPod to play podcasts.
It's just marketing that does the trick, the more people talk about it, the more people want it.
Nonetheless, the iPhone looks very good. The build quality is very good and the device is easy to understand. And important: its stable. WM5 isn't very stable and difficult to operate. My sister who's 23 isn't able to use my phone, too complicated she says wm5 is for (semi)nerds
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i totally agree with you, another comparison:
i have a creative zen vision m, all my friends ask me why not buy a ipod and sometimes they make comparision jokes about my mp4 player. But this creative vision has far more specs, it has customized menus and a far more beautiful screen, the only thing it hasnt is the scroll wheel, but who cares.
As Pumba here just said its what people know, they will buy, i bet that after the launch of the iphone there will be many people who never heard about WM but of the iphone yes!
I like the iphone only for its design, im only 16 so im still into all that fashion stuff, so i try to get my WM as sexy as the iphone, enough said?
thank you
Ok I've had it with the iCrap... really...
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Apples_iPhone_Tops_All_Other_Smart_Phones_in_the_US_08310.html
"Apple’s iPhone Tops All Other Smart Phones in the US" seems to be the title of this article. Granted, a filler article, but how much longer are we going to endure the stupidity of these reports? And can someone tell me what exactly makes the iCrap a smartphone?
Ok I think the UI in 6.5 is ugly as sin and it actually requires additional steps to proceed with basic operations.The new "honeycomb" action, which separates icons according to the lame beehive effect rather than the traditional grid does not optimize user friendliness or user interface.
Well I wanted to hear from other windows mobile users to see what they think of the new OS. Do you think it is ugly as hell, decent, or sexy?
***Please note this poll is based on LOOKS and UI
it's decent, not that ground breaking market blowing innovation that windows mobile has to come up with to compete with..
i wouldnt buy a 6.5 device because its 6.5 (i maybe wont even upgrade my rom to 6.5(cooked))
from what i've seen theres nothing with a more user friendly approach than 6.1.. i like my tf3d the new today screen on 6.5 is just crap
but i have to say that the honeycomb looks nice, havent tried it.. but it looks nice but i'm not sure if it would increase my user experience with it. i would say not
Honeycompb is more than ugly!
Today screen is exactly the same as my 6.1 ROM of my Excalibur smartphone
Oerhaps is more user friendly (At this point is the least MS can do to still alive)
I don´t really like it
I just find it amusing that they find it so difficult to come up with something fit for today's tech.
The pros & cons on UI
The pros
Full image on today
Nicely glass bars
Not at its full works and not so nicely titanium plugin on today but at the end... is a today plug in....
Honeycomb is nicely but zooming images ha s a little scratch on everyone...
Amazing we can change all the icons easily and other fickn **** things! like selection textures and labels...
The cons...
Is a beta work... but is god damn FAST!!!!! even 6.1
Final Score.....
Decent
no doubt, it kicks out 6.1 of my life easily
Plain and simple...it's UGLY! Honeycomb??? Come on guys (Microsoft), can't you come up with something better? Actually, someone else already has. HTC (TF3D) and SPB (SPB Mobile 3). These two kicks the ass out of this dumb interface (I'm speaking of looks). Does it work better than 6.1? I don't know...maybe, that'd be nice, obviously. But if I had a device with this on it, I would STILL have one of the afore mentioned UI's installed and being used.
When I first saw an image of a phone with this bee **** on it, I actually laughed. I thought it was a joke. Honestly. Then, I realize it's real. Very disappointing Microsoft. This'll be the Windows ME of Windows Mobile OS's.
its better than 6.1
too bad htc TF3D beat them to a new ui
l don't think it's ugly. maybe the decent could be better.everybody could finally accept this new os I think. maybe you could say that its ui is so similar to the smartphone. but the actually is that we can gain more fun from the moving of our figures. but we should clear that the wm 6.5 is only the transition of wm 7. then ,could accept it ?
yes...
is like the great amazing change betwen WM6 and 6.1 jajajaja it was just the.... SMS threaded?
Come on guys.... let it run... maybe when we got in our hands the new core 6.X.XXXX we will need great devices to gain run the new os...
peace guys.
it looks ok for me...but I'm still playing with & customizing a super fast beta right now.
I am glad to see this poll is leaning towards "decent" rather than SeXxy or Fugly. I always appreciate other users views after I have already decided my thoughts on something.
I think its sexy.
Which mobile system will you choose next time?
We'll see which system is the most future-oriented
hummm im the 1st to vote and post
android for me.....from now on!
mmmmm...
Perhpas later Android once it gets a more mature and solid OS, but for now and mybe 2 or 3 years I´ll stick with WM, waiting that wm7 really can be something with quality
my android is on the UPS Shipment as we speak so Android for now
I'm keeping WM
Android has a lot of possibility and it's an interesting SO: in future I'll see it but to now I stay with WM.
D'rath
WM (WM7 as next) althought Im all about entertainment and Iphone (MacOSX) would be much more suited for it - I dont like apple that much to spend money for it (only if someone would give me a iphone a s a present!! ) or get MacOSX on HTC Touch HD
i'll stick to winmo for sure..
winmo for now, but i'll stick to android after i got qwerty slider keyboard
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winmo for now, but i'll stick to android after i got qwerty slider keyboard
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erm, doesent it already got one?
Same as always, Windows Mobile for my business phone
iPhone for my play phone.
Ather said:
erm, doesent it already got one?
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i got this nike as a gift, and i couldnt choose the one i liked LOL
i'd like to have left/right sliding keyboard like touch pro, uni, etc
wld take sometime to upgrade for me ( faster if my elf goes crack), i'd probably go for Android unless WM7 does wonders!
I haven't been able to put my iPhone down since I got it, sticking with it.
Probably Android with either Moblin or WM as future candidates.
For me WM when it comes out the HTC Leo will be my next phone
Wifes has a iphone 3G already (which is jailbroken and unlocked for different carrier) and at first its a novelty then after a while the novelty wears off and its me who is stuck with the crappy itunes software for putting her music on it, itunes is the main reason i would never have an iphone myself I hate it.
Android as of now. We'll see what WM7 is like when it appears.
You really should have added an option 'I don't know!' as im in that one. No networks in the UK really support the TD2 and TP2 so hmm, still looking towards the hero but i don;t know if ill miss the tweaking and playing around on wimo is the only thing.
atm no vote from me as ive been like this for the last month!
Windows Mobile for me
WM
I'm a fan of WM from HTC (the best for the PPC). Waiting for the phone with foldable screen ... the rest we passed.
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/Nseries-Multimedia-Phones/sb489/n443/p26078.aspx
well... mr Gates. Gentlemen from SE. time to leave. bye bye..
oh... btw, if You don't know this device yet:
http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
according to the engadget show, its a poor device and there is a problem when the touchscreen does not work half the time with the gestures.
well... what do You understand under "poor device"? have You checked the specs for it? have You seen latest videos? (not early prototype) well... iphone 3gs cpu/gpu (600mhz a8 cortex), sliding qwerty, wvga, resistive touch screen, 1gb ram (256+768 virtual), 32gb storage+micro sdhc slot, 5mp camera recording 800x480 videos (25 fps), agps, digital compass, accelerometer, maemo linux system, tv out, irda, bt, wifi, 3g...
well...?
[edit] silly me... I forgot to add- 3.5 audio jack, fm TRANSMITTER, stereo loud speakers, and maybe some more that I don't remember... how cool is that??
[edit2] http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/01/video-nokia-n900-put-through-its-paces-in-italian/ if that's not responsive/fast then I don't know what is...
Nokia are good phones but only on the paper. "It doesnt do what it says on the tin". It never does (remember my 9210i communicator, my last Nokia device)
If you want a phone to be ready out from the box (which, in my opinion, is boring), this kind of stuff is for you. Recently had my friends 5800XM for couple of days..Nightmare!! (try to use calculator in landscape mode ) I have no idea why people love this phone. Good music player??? Maybe..
Nokia dont do "tailored to requirements" phones, they put all things into one device and wait for the customers that dont know how to use it...
i think wm 6.5 will change the way people see wm, i mean the 6.1 and older gui is a real turn off and now the new gui in wm 6.5 is nice, the only one thing 6.5 is missing is a transitional animated interface...the default animation slows the device when activated and its not even pleasant to see
depends on if wm brings more eye candy then i will stay, well thats if apple doesn't release an iphone with a higher resolution and a qwerty keyboard
there is no doubt about it, wm is the most powerful os, its just the current gui makes you feel as tho you are using a pc with windows 98...ironic to see that wm 6.1 still wears the windows 98 look and soo many OS were born that looks great, especially their icons...speaking of icons, i dont get it as to why most of wm icons have that rugged edge look and not smooth edges, M$ really needs to get their act together...i hate to see some of the icons in wm bcos of their ugly look, most look like 8 bit icons
hm... well it's a good point, but I think I've seen enough. I'll leave x1 in the drawer, just in case, and I'll try this whole maemo with widgets. on one hand it is a good thing that You can modify winmo so much, but on the other most of the time spent with the device is wasted with efforts to change the way it looks and works, because it sucks out of the box. saying that, guess what...? I've tried many roms with all funky interfaces just to realise stock rom is most stable and fast (tweaked ofcourse) and the only thing for me was to install spb ms3 to make it look better. I really hate new wm 6.5 looks and titanium is just terrible imho.
what I like in n900 is that interface looks great ootb, strong cpu and gpu gives it a good kick and this damn thing just works. x2 is a major fail comparing to this sweet device. just wait few months... You'll see how is it going to conquer the market.
the specs are good but if u watch the engadget show that they put up a few days ago u will see that they did not like it and that he was doing gestures in front on a live show and it was not working. in the end they have used the device, we have not so i suggest u take there advice. nokia as a company is crumbling and they very rarely make a good phone, even though there is always lots of hype around them. think the n97, there flagship device.
bronx said:
well... what do You understand under "poor device"? have You checked the specs for it? have You seen latest videos? (not early prototype) well... iphone 3gs cpu/gpu (600mhz a8 cortex), sliding qwerty, wvga, resistive touch screen, 1gb ram (256+768 virtual), 32gb storage+micro sdhc slot, 5mp camera recording 800x480 videos (25 fps), agps, digital compass, accelerometer, maemo linux system, tv out, irda, bt, wifi, 3g...
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The new HTC Leo does this and the cpu is 1GHz. the RAM of the nokia is 768mb virtual RAM? 5MP cam?? thats so 2009! FM transmitter is the only new 'gadget' on that. Oh 32GB sdhc cards will be out soon so that wouldnt be a seling point for me.
Didnt you know you cant big up Nokias on a HTC fanboy forum!
lol... ok guys. I'll better stfu now I guess I am the only one sooo in to something new.
leo? well... snapdragon doesn't convince me a lot. less than a8 cortex with powervr combo. the other thing is that leo doesn't have qwerty keys, so a deal breaker for me... I am trying to find a good alternative for winmo as well.
oh well... let's wait for official reviews, then I shall decide finally.
Sounds nice, but then again the X1 sounded nice and look where that go us. Also its Nokia, and Nokia dont do nice interface, Nokia interface is always ugly and not very appealing. This would have been amazing if it were samsung or LG or SE
bronx said:
the other thing is that leo doesn't have qwerty keys, so a deal breaker for me
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If you had asked me 12 months ago I would also have said the qwerty keyboard was a deal breaker. And a qwerty keyboard is the tits, but for me, id rather have the big screen as im watchin a lot of tv at the mo
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most of the time spent with the device is wasted with efforts to change the way it looks and works, because it sucks out of the box. saying that, guess what...? I've tried many roms with all funky interfaces just to realise stock rom is most stable and fast (tweaked ofcourse) and the only thing for me was to install spb ms3 to make it look better.
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Yes, sad but very true.
Just wait for the Touch Pro3 and SPB MS4. How's that sound?
well ... you forgot to mention smth when you listed the cool features
weight 181 g
hmm and it doesnt seem to have any physical control key ...
design: like a brick ... my opinion ...
and i dont have experiences with this OS
in my opinion omnia pro and x2 are the best at the mom.... for the business and also multimedia guy.
well... You have arrow keys on hard keys, also the way it looks is more... hm... cool? at least less gay than tp2 imho. I am fed up with all those round shapes and chrome finishes.
anyway... I'll get it and if it's gonna suck, I'll give it back or it will land on ebay. ... but something tells me, that it is going to be a first wide popular maemo device. it's like icrap 3gs with **** loads of hardware added and complex, linux based system on board. I am almost convinced.... 97%
Too brickish, I'll stick to my X1 for now. An upgrade for me would be with same form factor, bigger screen, lighter, thinner and faster.
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well... You have arrow keys on hard keys, also the way it looks is more... hm... cool? at least less gay than tp2 imho. I am fed up with all those round shapes and chrome finishes.
anyway... I'll get it and if it's gonna suck, I'll give it back or it will land on ebay. ... but something tells me, that it is going to be a first wide popular maemo device. it's like icrap 3gs with **** loads of hardware added and complex, linux based system on board. I am almost convinced.... 97%
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Totally agreed,,, the design of this phone looks as crap as all nokia phone are & I bet the UI will be as UGLY, as annoying & as un-friendly as nokia have always been making... With good specs a phone should look fantastic as well like X1, TD2, TPro etc (not like this thick-brick)... No offence to Bronx or any one...
Edit: I should mention an edge that it has over X1 & TD2 etc... if you have a problem or fight occassionally THIS CAN BE USED AS A heavy WEAPON...
you know what they say: a pint and a fight - perfect British night. ok, maybe it looks more plastic than x1, but more likely it's gonna be build bit better than ever cracking xperia.
look people - I am not trying to convince anyone. I just want to point out another alternative to SE, HTC, WM, iPhone... all those companies have failed to provide solid product, so it is time for me to try something else. I loved my n70, I loved my n95 8gb. now I dare to say f... WM. I'll roam in here from time to time, as x1 stays with me, but in october I am trying something new, because of SE assholes. come on... after all this crap with x1 they should give us more support to wash that bad taste they left.
x1 is quite good device, but I won't forgive them cracks, ****ty video playback and lack of further software support.
[EDIT] btw - n900 110.9 × 59.8 × 18 (19.55 at thickest part) mm, xperia x1 110.5 x 52.6 x 17 mm - well? just a bit wider and a tad thicker. looks neat and tidy no matter what You guys say
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Sounds nice, but then again the X1 sounded nice and look where that go us. Also its Nokia, and Nokia dont do nice interface, Nokia interface is always ugly and not very appealing. This would have been amazing if it were samsung or LG or SE
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samsung or LG or SE ??????????
Dude samsung has only crappy phones ( yes good fast hardware but they miss buttons.. ok omnia qerty might be interesting .. )
LG is worst.. ( after i saw lg arena.. lol )
Perhaps n900 will get uber perhaps nokia ****s up
yeah... we shall see.
i would have bought this about a year ago to replace my n770.
i was interested in it till i saw the specs..... but the biggest turn off for me is the cpu, ram and no portrait mode.
maybe i could live with the cpu if the ram was much larger, i could care less about the virtual ram but it would have been a nice supplement to a larger ram anyways.
i could also live with the no portrait mode because i know the maemo group has some pretty good developers but why wait when it should have came out that way from the factory.
for me, phone is a year too late and ill stick to the x1 for now because no other phone is worth the upgrade right now
Hello guys i wana ask you what you think about the new iPhone 4G that must to be released after around 2 mounths.. here will atach some Pics and Specs but note that this is not release yet just is info floated in internet.
We know very well that the iPhone 3GS is alot more faster and FInger Friendly than WinMo.. also the screen and etc.. once i play with an iPhone i was amazed how sensitive it is.. and how Smooth and Fast is everything.. the reason to stop me buy a iPhone is because of the Battery and of the Bad Camera.. and some litle more things..
But now in the new iPhone 4G this is not a problem anymore because he will have removable battery and i think a good 3.2 Camera..
Also the design of the device is complate diferent and now not looking like a soap-dish now look really stilysh and is very very slim.
I wonder that will be the proccessor but will wait to see, also i think that now even more peoples will begin to use an iPhone..
I Hear that the processor will be dual Core and the camera can be even 5 megapixels not 3.2 but all this is guessing we will wait to see the final product but with sure will be something Superb Cool..
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tsalta said:
Hello guys i wana ask you what you think about the new iPhone 4G that must to be released after around 2 mounths.. here will atach some Pics and Specs but note that this is not release yet just is info floated in internet.
We know very well that the iPhone 3GS is alot more faster and FInger Friendly than WinMo.. also the screen and etc.. once i play with an iPhone i was amazed how sensitive it is.. and how Smooth and Fast is everything.. the reason to stop me buy a iPhone is because of the Battery and of the Bad Camera.. and some litle more things..
But now in the new iPhone 4G this is not a problem anymore because he will have removable battery and i think a good 3.2 Camera..
Also the design of the device is complate diferent and now not looking like a soap-dish now look really stilysh and is very very slim.
I wonder that will be the proccessor but will wait to see, also i think that now even more peoples will begin to use an iPhone..
I Hear that the processor will be dual Core and the camera can be even 5 megapixels not 3.2 but all this is guessing we will wait to see the final product but with sure will be something Superb Cool..
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1. you think that iphone OS is faster than winmo because you've never tried an HD2
2. you think it's more sensitve because there was no capacitive touch for winmo until the HD2
3. the pictures you're searching for are here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/18/iphone-4g-proof/
*the pics you provide were actually made before the 3GS
4. the processor will likely be the same as in the ipad (rumors)
haha..removable battery.. never, my friend, never.
fake.
shu8i said:
1. you think that iphone OS is faster than winmo because you've never tried an HD2
2. you think it's more sensitve because there was no capacitive touch for winmo until the HD2
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You're right! HD2 is a nice piece of HARDWARE! The underlying OS is still a big pile of crap written by people who know nothing about OS design. Deciders there must be REAL stupid to think that checkboxes/combos/lists on a classic desktop computer scales down correctly to a 2~3 inches handheld screen when there, they'll be 16 pixels tall... Stupid conception, lack of minimal intelligence! People using handhelds want to use their fingers, not styluses!
iPhone, as MacOS X, uses a BSD kernel as foundations and there you have real engineers design. I don't own any Apple machine and I dislike a lot this brand but I'm a Unix lover for all its concepts and they were designed in the 70's!
Windows, and then WinMo, doesn't scale anywhere but in a classic computer, be it a desktop or a server.
BSD/Linux/whatever Unix flavour scales from the smallest Phone/DVDPlayer/MP3Player to the Top500 super computers accross the world! Sorry mate but that is design!
HD2 is a very nice device only because of 1GHz SnapDragon! The OS is so badly designed in its internals that you must compensate with a strong armed CPU to make it run fast.
I own a Blackstone with WinMo 6.5 and I find very amusing that bootstrapping Android from my SDCard through haret.exe makes the device react WAY MORE smoothly than the native WinCrap OS... Tell me know... What in Android is so much more optimised in graphics rendering that the native OS, designed specifically by Microsoft and HTC for the drivers part, can't match with ?
I use DeviceEmulator with 6.5 ROM on a Windows machine and on the Windows part, I use a CPU monitor. DeviceEmulator isn't graphics optimized and all operations and refreshes are done via the emulated ARM CPU. Tell me... Using iPhoneToday loaded with icons and multiple pages, the scrolling is very smooth and the Windows CPU monitor shows a 20% usage while scrolling. Playing the same way with the 6.5 StartMenu seems a bit more jerky and shows a 78% CPU usage ? If Microsoft "engineers" knew a bit about quality programming, we would know for a long time now!
Finally ever used any .NET CF 3.5 application ? That's the WORST user experience one can have ! Take a fine example : iContactAE ! 2 executables, the main one which does not feature a single line of .NET CF code and the setup tool which is entirely written in .NET CF...
The first one features instantaneous startup time, smooth and fast scrolling, ultra reactivity and low memory consumption (compared to it's "massive" graphical objects usage). The second one, on my Blackstone, "features" 6s startup time, sluggish pages refresh and all that for... checkboxes, comboboxes and tabbed configuration pages! Yeah... that's what we call "computing evolution".
Please, find me a SINGLE application, written in .NET CF, not memory resident that, on a modern device (400MHz CPU) features quite instantaneous startup time and no sluggish refreshes. Good luck!
Its funny how many people instantly jump on Windows Mobile when the HD2 is mentioned, and they don't mention HTC Sense, which imo, is awesome, along with other apps you can get, you can have the HD2 running amazingly. The underlying OS IS crap, everyone knows that, and it is very dated, BUT it has given us HTC Sense so to speak.
Sithlord said:
You're right! HD2 is a nice piece of HARDWARE! The underlying OS is still a big pile of crap written by people who know nothing about OS design. Deciders there must be REAL stupid to think that checkboxes/combos/lists on a classic desktop computer scales down correctly to a 2~3 inches handheld screen when there, they'll be 16 pixels tall... Stupid conception, lack of minimal intelligence! People using handhelds want to use their fingers, not styluses!
iPhone, as MacOS X, uses a BSD kernel as foundations and there you have real engineers design. I don't own any Apple machine and I dislike a lot this brand but I'm a Unix lover for all its concepts and they were designed in the 70's!
Windows, and then WinMo, doesn't scale anywhere but in a classic computer, be it a desktop or a server.
BSD/Linux/whatever Unix flavour scales from the smallest Phone/DVDPlayer/MP3Player to the Top500 super computers accross the world! Sorry mate but that is design!
HD2 is a very nice device only because of 1GHz SnapDragon! The OS is so badly designed in its internals that you must compensate with a strong armed CPU to make it run fast.
I own a Blackstone with WinMo 6.5 and I find very amusing that bootstrapping Android from my SDCard through haret.exe makes the device react WAY MORE smoothly than the native WinCrap OS... Tell me know... What in Android is so much more optimised in graphics rendering that the native OS, designed specifically by Microsoft and HTC for the drivers part, can't match with ?
I use DeviceEmulator with 6.5 ROM on a Windows machine and on the Windows part, I use a CPU monitor. DeviceEmulator isn't graphics optimized and all operations and refreshes are done via the emulated ARM CPU. Tell me... Using iPhoneToday loaded with icons and multiple pages, the scrolling is very smooth and the Windows CPU monitor shows a 20% usage while scrolling. Playing the same way with the 6.5 StartMenu seems a bit more jerky and shows a 78% CPU usage ? If Microsoft "engineers" knew a bit about quality programming, we would know for a long time now!
Finally ever used any .NET CF 3.5 application ? That's the WORST user experience one can have ! Take a fine example : iContactAE ! 2 executables, the main one which does not feature a single line of .NET CF code and the setup tool which is entirely written in .NET CF...
The first one features instantaneous startup time, smooth and fast scrolling, ultra reactivity and low memory consumption (compared to it's "massive" graphical objects usage). The second one, on my Blackstone, "features" 6s startup time, sluggish pages refresh and all that for... checkboxes, comboboxes and tabbed configuration pages! Yeah... that's what we call "computing evolution".
Please, find me a SINGLE application, written in .NET CF, not memory resident that, on a modern device (400MHz CPU) features quite instantaneous startup time and no sluggish refreshes. Good luck!
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that's where sense comes to work to hide that crap get some addons like co0kie and your homescreen is as customizable as android (move around abjects, delete etc.). get a custom ROM and it's like 5x faster than than stock. so it's not just the hardware. i dare you to find any mobile OS that you can customize as you can a winmo device
shu8i said:
1. you think that iphone OS is faster than winmo because you've never tried an HD2
2. you think it's more sensitve because there was no capacitive touch for winmo until the HD2
3. the pictures you're searching for are here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/18/iphone-4g-proof/
*the pics you provide were actually made before the 3GS
4. the processor will likely be the same as in the ipad (rumors)
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I CANT Agree with you
I use Blackstone but i play with HD2 so.. maybe you never play with 3GS ? so now here we speak Bullshits.. I DONT LIKE the APLE company but when i see something BLACK i cant tell is WHITE do u understand me what i mean?!
Also now you compare 2 absolutly diferent devices..
Also no matter what Processor will put in the NEW devices i mean new HTC and other WinMo devices.. they never will run Smooth And Faster..
FOr everyone here Smooth and Faster mean diferent things.. for my Slow for someone can be a Faster and etc etc...
But we must all to agree that the feeling when you touching iPhone Screen and slide and do all the things.. is COMPLATE diferent and you cannot compare it with any other WINMO device...
Also for example im using Blackstone and i have it from when they hit the market..
SO he have bigger screen than iPhone and its good looking device.. BUT on the same time..no matter of that big screen the Blackstone is NOT FINGER FRIENDLY no matter do with WinMo 6.5 or 6.5.5 we trying to make it more finger friendly but have something that we cannot change because the Whole WINDOWS MOBILE OS is not finger Friendly...
So why u need a bigger screen then? when its hard to do everything with fingers?
the HTC do awesome devices and not only the Biggest problem always will be Microsoft everyone know that WINDOWS is one of the Slowest OS avalible..
When Android hit the market and like we know is a young OS platform even they are 10 times faster than Windows.. so for this reason im telling you
for exampe after 5 years you will buy a HTC with 2 GHZ processor and one iPhone with half of this parameters will make you crazy because JUST the Windows Mobile OS Sucks..
When the new iPhone is out after around 2 mounths and even i dont know the full real specs i can insure you that this Phone will kill all Device that you speak now they are fast.. LEO and etc..
The Hardwere is PERFECT but the Soft is very very BAD.
tsalta said:
I CANT Agree with you
I use Blackstone but i play with HD2 so.. maybe you never play with 3GS ? so now here we speak Bullshits.. I DONT LIKE the APLE company but when i see something BLACK i cant tell is WHITE do u understand me what i mean?!
Also now you compare 2 absolutly diferent devices..
Also no matter what Processor will put in the NEW devices i mean new HTC and other WinMo devices.. they never will run Smooth And Faster..
FOr everyone here Smooth and Faster mean diferent things.. for my Slow for someone can be a Faster and etc etc...
But we must all to agree that the feeling when you touching iPhone Screen and slide and do all the things.. is COMPLATE diferent and you cannot compare it with any other WINMO device...
Also for example im using Blackstone and i have it from when they hit the market..
SO he have bigger screen than iPhone and its good looking device.. BUT on the same time..no matter of that big screen the Blackstone is NOT FINGER FRIENDLY no matter do with WinMo 6.5 or 6.5.5 we trying to make it more finger friendly but have something that we cannot change because the Whole WINDOWS MOBILE OS is not finger Friendly...
So why u need a bigger screen then? when its hard to do everything with fingers?
the HTC do awesome devices and not only the Biggest problem always will be Microsoft everyone know that WINDOWS is one of the Slowest OS avalible..
When Android hit the market and like we know is a young OS platform even they are 10 times faster than Windows.. so for this reason im telling you
for exampe after 5 years you will buy a HTC with 2 GHZ processor and one iPhone with half of this parameters will make you crazy because JUST the Windows Mobile OS Sucks..
When the new iPhone is out after around 2 mounths and even i dont know the full real specs i can insure you that this Phone will kill all Device that you speak now they are fast.. LEO and etc..
The Hardwere is PERFECT but the Soft is very very BAD.
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actually no i do not understand what you mean. first, stop to generalize everything. second i came from an iphone to the HD2 / and almost every friend of mine has an iphone, so yeah i know how an iphone feels and after using the HD2 an iphone will never be an option for me again. HTC made a great job integrating Sense into winmo, so thats for fingerfriendly. Screensize? well don't you ever watch videos/pics on your device? it has nothing to do with the OS.
_but_
that's not the point of this thread,is it? although i don't understand what you want to review before the device is actually out.
why is this board filled up with so much hate against WM? why do such people sign up to this board if this is all they do? Do they even know that without WM xda-developers never existed!
about complaints about checkboxes and whatever. Windows Mobile originally was a operating system for PDAs and noone used their fingers to use it. A stylus was common sense.... You can only blame Microsoft for not releasing a new finger friendly UI earlier. But to talk **** about the OS (only because the checkboxes are too small) is very very stupid!!!
I think some people here should run their own site and call it iphone-developers.com and we are free of all this junk.
And if the next guy is now jumping in "Why don't you choose the best available OS and not only defend a bad habit" then he can leave already. People contributing to this board already made their decission to have a WM phone.
Thanks for attention!
MalekoUK said:
Its funny how many people instantly jump on Windows Mobile when the HD2 is mentioned, and they don't mention HTC Sense, which imo, is awesome, along with other apps you can get, you can have the HD2 running amazingly. The underlying OS IS crap, everyone knows that, and it is very dated, BUT it has given us HTC Sense so to speak.
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Don't misunderstand me! HD2 is a NICE device and I wish I could have one myself. Unfortunately, it uses a WinMo OS. Unfortunately again, some apps I really need only exist (for now) on WinMo so I'll wait a bit.
After that, I'll certainly jump on the Android world as it is the only world meeting my needs and wishes (which are very picky on technical aspects). iPhone is a no go for me only because of Apple itself, I just hate the way this company gives itself the right to take decisions on behalf of the end user, where the device physically is!
Android also have it's drawbacks and I hope nothing nasty will happen with it.
Sithlord said:
I own a Blackstone with WinMo 6.5 and I find very amusing that bootstrapping Android from my SDCard through haret.exe makes the device react WAY MORE smoothly than the native WinCrap OS...
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Could someone please direct me to the Blackstone HTC stock rom with WM6.5?
shu8i said:
that's where sense comes to work to hide that crap get some addons like co0kie and your homescreen is as customizable as android (move around abjects, delete etc.). get a custom ROM and it's like 5x faster than than stock. so it's not just the hardware. i dare you to find any mobile OS that you can customize as you can a winmo device
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That's funny but I precisely REMOVED HTC Sense/Manila specifically because, from my point of view, it's totally UNCONFIGURABLE
Hiding/Showing tabs is not what I call "configurable software". Ever tried to add your own Tab for your own needs and wishes ? You'll find out you can't... Ok then, let's try to feedle with the internal configuration to find something useful and reach the goal.. Wow.. how nice! Compiled LUA scripts, proprietary QIX image format (what the hell for, god knows), stupid and useless files naming conventions, etc.. etc...
Yep, exactly ALL I hate from proprietary software developpment. "We MUST close ALL doors to end users! They don't need to know, they MUST NOT know how our internals work".
Strangely enough, iPhoneToday or, more Sense-like software such as WisbarAdvanceDesktop, REALLY ARE what I call "configurable software" because they really ALLOW you to whatever you want!
Oh, and for the record, of course I use a cooked ROM and less than 1% of original WinMo standard applications... I've replaced quite all of them by software designed by REAL developpers, not MS wanabees only able to pee useless and unoptimised lines of code
RAMMANN said:
why is this board filled up with so much hate against WM? why do such people sign up to this board if this is all they do? Do they even know that without WM xda-developers never existed!
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I see it in another way... Without XDA-Dev, I wouldn't have bought a WinMo device, which would be totally useless using only poorly designed provided software.
RAMMANN said:
about complaints about checkboxes and whatever. Windows Mobile originally was a operating system for PDAs and noone used their fingers to use it. A stylus was common sense.... You can only blame Microsoft for not releasing a new finger friendly UI earlier. But to talk **** about the OS (only because the checkboxes are too small) is very very stupid!!!
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Here you are mistaken! Tell me exactly the difference between a PDA and a PDAPhone ? None except the phone functionality!
Stylus wasn't common sense at all, it was a decision, nothing more nothing less! These devices are TouchScreen devices, using a stylus or your fingers doesn't change the technology behind! Resistive screens (WinMo) are very precise but not reactive, Capacitive screens (iPhone, HD2) are not precise at all but very reactive. Using fingers instead of stylus explains why all devices are migrating to capacitive screens. Users want their device to respond quickly and use their fingers, hence my rant agains WinMo design and piles of pure design crap such as .NET CF (from a developper perspective : traversing 20 inherited classes from the method to the actual function in the OS can't make the framework react fast in any way! Ever seen a .NET CF stack trace in case of an exception? I've only seen Java producing so huge stack traces)
I blame MS for not being able to understand their users and take for granted that in late 2000, users still want to use styluses... Get rid of them! I blame MS for not being able to consider that Portable devices ARE NOT Desktop Computers and rules applying to the later ones do NOT apply to former ones. MS lack everything, from long term vision to technical expertise!
Their only strength lies in the fact that WinMo devices are so spread in the world that they have some kind of assured market. If the market was the result of technical merits, WinMo wouldn't even exist!
xaccers said:
Could someone please direct me to the Blackstone HTC stock rom with WM6.5?
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HTC decided that Blackstone is an old and deprecated device so only 6.1 ROM is available
For a really stock 6.5 ROM, KWBR Vanilla Series
I've tested 6.5.3 and 6.5.5 ROMs and I haven't yet decided which one to use, I first have to test them thoroughly. I really like "stock" ROMs, not fully featured with builtin software which turns to be "useless" in time with the need of updates. I'd rather update software than reflash my ROM.
* Blackstonehenge : 6.5.3 ROM (28232) => Clean and pretty fast
* Ravage (Clean) : 6.5.5 ROM (23547) => Clean and fast. But, for some reason, I can't find it anymore on the forum.. Anyway, Ravage seems to be a discontinued project.
No other 6.5.5 ROM attracts me, most are overloaded with useless software (for my needs of course) and featuring visual themes that I really don't like
I TOTALY AGREE with you
Without XDA i will never buy a WinMo so here is what we talk about.
If XDA was not avalible do u still will get an HD2? I DONT THINK SO because all you will get with that device is some Stupid apps from Marketplace and etc...
Honestly when i buy my Blackstone if there was not a XDA i will break my device after a mounth of usage and put it in the TRASH...
I dont know but if i was a Microsoft or some HTC director will plan to make a serious very serious DONATION to XDA because i don`t know who will buy something without support.
All the Guys from here are here because they want to be here and they are for free here so imagine if they was not here.
so HTC and Microsoft must to buy for each member here one Bentley minimum for the jobs they did...
Sithlord said:
HTC decided that Blackstone is an old and deprecated device so only 6.1 ROM is available
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Exactly what I thought.
So by putting a cooked rom of an OS on the blackstone and saying it's slow isn't really a reasonable thing to do.
It would be like me taking my HX2190b with a cooked WM6.5 ROM on it and complaining that it's slow (which it isn't come to think of it).
When PDAs first came out, the mindset amongst not only the manufacturers but also the users was they were pocket PC's, and so should have similar interfaces as the current PC OS.
The screens were not that large or responsive and usually had a large bevel around them.
Due to the low resolution and therefore low useful text/icon size it made sense to use a stylus, just as it made sense to give it a file manager and start menu that resembled the PC's.
You still had finger friendly shortcuts.
PDAs were a niche market, it was years before someone in the business thought of combining the two and that was into a smartphone with a tiny screen.
OK in developer land there were people who were slowly creating dialers which turned your PDA into a windows mobile device via bluetooth to your cellphone but of the ones I knew about they didn't get very far.
M$ have never seemed to put much value on PDAs, and even now, I don't think their low market share really bothers them that much, just look at how awful WP7 looks.
Nexus one! Enough said.
Sent from my Nexus One using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
@ topic: http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone
xaccers said:
Exactly what I thought.
So by putting a cooked rom of an OS on the blackstone and saying it's slow isn't really a reasonable thing to do.
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You REALLY MUST BE KIDDING, don't you?
Stock 6.1 ROM from HTC is painfully slow ! KWBR's WinMo 6.5 is way faster and responsive ! Both Ravage (6.5.5) and BlackstoneHenge (6.5.3) are even faster and responsive.
Nonetheless, all of them are still far away from the smoothness of Android or an iPhone.
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When PDAs first came out, the mindset amongst not only the manufacturers but also the users was they were pocket PC's, and so should have similar interfaces as the current PC OS.
The screens were not that large or responsive and usually had a large bevel around them.
Due to the low resolution and therefore low useful text/icon size it made sense to use a stylus, just as it made sense to give it a file manager and start menu that resembled the PC's.
You still had finger friendly shortcuts.
PDAs were a niche market, it was years before someone in the business thought of combining the two and that was into a smartphone with a tiny screen.
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That's exactly my point! The pure lack of vision from MS. Trying to reproduce on PDAs what was done on desktops... Just like trying to fit in a motorcycle everything coming from a car (seats, pedals, stiringwheel, gearbox, ..) on the sole basic idea that both are vehicles, eventhough they have nothing to do one another...
This has zero credibility to me.
But I think there has been a real accidental leak. See the following for the real thing:
http://m.gizmodo.com/site?sid=gizmo...s-is-apples-next-iphone?op=post&refId=5520164
http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone?skyline=true&s=i
The phone has been cleverly disguised as a 3GS with a specially made plastic case. When it was first found in the bar, it was working, running OS4.0. After a while, it was deactivated by Apple and can now only show the USB cable connecting to iTune logo. When plugged into iTune, it is identified as an iPhone.
Apparently, Geohot, our Godman hacker, the author of BlackRa1n, wants to re-activate this phone now. So, all evidence point to the authencity of this as the real next iPhone.
Cheers.
tsalta said:
Hello guys i wana ask you what you think about the new iPhone 4G that must to be released after around 2 mounths.. here will atach some Pics and Specs but note that this is not release yet just is info floated in internet.
We know very well that the iPhone 3GS is alot more faster and FInger Friendly than WinMo.. also the screen and etc.. once i play with an iPhone i was amazed how sensitive it is.. and how Smooth and Fast is everything.. the reason to stop me buy a iPhone is because of the Battery and of the Bad Camera.. and some litle more things..
But now in the new iPhone 4G this is not a problem anymore because he will have removable battery and i think a good 3.2 Camera..
Also the design of the device is complate diferent and now not looking like a soap-dish now look really stilysh and is very very slim.
I wonder that will be the proccessor but will wait to see, also i think that now even more peoples will begin to use an iPhone..
I Hear that the processor will be dual Core and the camera can be even 5 megapixels not 3.2 but all this is guessing we will wait to see the final product but with sure will be something Superb Cool..
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