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Dear dissatisfied HTC Customer,
Before reading this, remember I am NOT encouraging you to boycott HTC. But I think most of you, who are going to do that, are really knowing what your reasons are.
As For me it really seems that we paid for something that HTC did not provide, I think we all have seen great dissatisfaction and complaints here on the forums, which some of us are unable not to agree with. Some people even culminate the dissatisfaction simply by ending the customer relation with HTC.
I figured it would be nice to see how badly did their Kaiser backfire, and the way they handled their customers with this. So please, if you feel that you have had enough and are going separate ways with HTC, use the below link to inform HTC about your decision. Also remember to tell them why you chose to do so. Remember to add that you are talking about Kaiser. And also remember to tell them that you most likely won’t be recommending HTC devices to anyone, and will probably do your best that no-one gets screwed like you did, if you feel like that. That should teach them a lesson!
Also after doing that report back on this thread! So we get to see how it affected their customer base in this forum and hopefully even more widely, a bigger picture. With some math we can speculate what was the damage for them. Hopefully this will help them also to see what they did, and see it would have been everybodys benefit if they did things right at the first place.
Below are the links to inform HTC about your decision. You probably best to aim the e-mail to their "customer service"!
European ex-customers:
http://www.htc.com/europe/CS_Mail.aspx
North American ex-customers:
http://www.htc.com/us/CS_Mail.aspx
Latin American ex-customers:
http://www.htc.com/la/CS_Mail.aspx
Asian ex-customers:
http://www.htc.com/tw/CS_Mail.aspx
Middle-East and African ex-customers:
http://www.htc.com/mea-en/CS_Mail.aspx
The reason why I find this really important is that, we really need to get the information on their face. That is where petition signing and things like that fail! I bet after receiving few thousand of this kind of e-mails the information will be passed to the persons concerned. That will not probably help us, but prevent them repeating what they did. Link to this thread would also be good on any other HTC/Kaiser related forum, so we get a collection of all dissatisfied ex-customers overall.
Sincerely Yours,
Henry
Ultimately dissatisfied HTC-EX-customer
ps.
you are still "allowed" to use your current HTC devices the best way you can imagine, since most of us paid a good price for it! For me that would be a paperweight or as a "viviparous lizard's tail".
I just informed HTC-europe that I will never be their customer again! I WONT!
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Actually, what I did say was, I will boycott them until the justice has happened in this case. Too bad it seems that will never happen. But that will give them at least a little reason to do back the bad things they did to us. They would get me back!
Done.
I am in charge of mobile devices and syncing with Exchange for a 2500+ employee company. I had started migrating people to s620's but have since moved them to HP iPAQ Messengers until a non-HTC device comes out that fits our needs.
So, while I'm not buying any more, I'm making sure nobody at the company (even personal purchases) are HTC.
-Mc
sent to http://www.htc.com/sea/CS_Mail.aspx
hope others will follow........
Sent message to the North American link.
Boycott? Wow.. dunno but I'm very happy with my phone, ATT Tilt, it's an upgrade from my last smartphone/ppc (VOQ Professional Phone) which actually I still have and would still be using had the company not gone out of business, and well the phone doesn't have bluetooth, wifi or a camera either... if it did have those three things I've still be using it now really even if the company went under...
I don't get the Boycott though.. are people REALLY that unhappy with their phones? sure I see lots of complaints about things but I see that with EVERY phone on the market today, there IS NO perfect phone out there and never will be because someone will find something wrong no matter what...
dampeal said:
Boycott? Wow.. dunno but I'm very happy with my phone...
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Please do not go offtopic too much! I understand that there are A LOT of arguments why the Kaiser could be alright as a mobile device, but that is not the point here. The point is that any person has the right to boycott what ever company for any reason he/she finds worth it. I'm collecting that info here NOT DISCUSSING whether the device is worthy or not. Made up my mind already.
I admire the resolve of all that are willing to stand by thier principles. Personnaly, the choice of my next phone is limited to what my carrier has to offer as by buying from them, I get a large discount.
As my carrier is T-Mobile UK, that means my next upgrade will probably be a HTC device (maybe vario 4) for around 100gbp as opposed to a none HTC device from a store for around 400gbp.
When I first signed up for this forum I thought it was for developers and people who knew a lot about ppc's. I soon learned that this forum contains more friggin whiners than a daycare. Everyday someone posts something regarding video drivers, hating htc, or just writing stupid ****. To the OP, I am not directing this towards you, but I don't think developers or people who joined this forum for learning purposes want to hear about emailing HTC with others decision to boycott.
Hmmm, maybe I should start a thread "Email HTC your reasons why you love their devices here!"
Get a clue and understand these threads are not needed but we appreciate your participation and do not take anything personal because its directed at many people.
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When I first signed up for this forum I thought it was for developers and people who knew a lot about ppc's. I soon learned that this forum contains more friggin whiners than a daycare. Everyday someone posts something regarding video drivers, hating htc, or just writing stupid ****. To the OP, I am not directing this towards you, but I don't think developers or people who joined this forum for learning purposes want to hear about emailing HTC with others decision to boycott.
Hmmm, maybe I should start a thread "Email HTC your reasons why you love their devices here!"
Get a clue and understand these threads are not needed but we appreciate your participation and do not take anything personal because its directed at many people.
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Lol... I agree...I will never say never... If HTC launched a TyTN II killer I'd probably get it..If will never buy a Kaiser again though if it helps
redbandana said:
When I first signed up for this forum I thought it was for developers and people who knew a lot about ppc's. I soon learned that this forum contains more friggin whiners than a daycare. Everyday someone posts something regarding video drivers, hating htc, or just writing stupid ****.
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That's strange. Because when I visit http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=376, I see that there are four sections: one for discussion about accessories, one for discussion about software, one for discussion about ROMs, and this one for general discussion.
I notice that the developers tend to hang out in the software and ROMs sections, and that this general discussion forum is for general discussion.
Do you not have access to all four sections?
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When I first signed up for this forum I thought it was for developers and people who knew a lot about ppc's. I soon learned that this forum contains more friggin whiners than a daycare. ..
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Damn, don't know how to say this, remaining my relaxed tone.. but..
Don't you honestly think that this is the single BIGGEST community online using our beloved kaiser devices. Hopefully this does not come out of the blue for you, but there is something frikkin' wrong with the device we have bought.
There was 2 reasons for you why this kind of a threads easily pop out in GENERAL forums like this. Some people still want to get something in exchange for their money, not just crap.
Boycotting is useful, and it's the most powerful tool that single user can do against a company, which screwed him up without doing anything illeagal. This is where this forum could be helpful, here we have the people together. And if we complain together, maybe one day something gets done. Compare this to the situation between damn yankies and north korea for example. "Let's not give them what they want until they do what we want." Expect no nukes for the korea. You get it?
I feel sad that most of the people just accept the **** that big companies throw at you. I don't, A LOT of people won't accept that. Also, I'm completely sorry that I distracted you from your development work. Made you open this thread and whine about me whining.
And remember, this is nothing personal, there are a lot of you wankers out there whose fav hobby is to complain to n000bs and anything that.. that happens to annoy them at the time being. Then comes the bigger whiner, who whines about the whiner who whines about the whiner and that one is whining to whiner by the way.
You get the point? That there is a difference whining to other users and whining to wrong doers, who steal you money and feed you mouthful of poopi.
My message ... Europe Customer.
Drivers for Kaiser? No?
Then thank You, I will find my next device somewhere else, where I will really get what I paid for.
rakdoll said:
Damn, don't know how to say this, remaining my relaxed tone.. but..
Don't you honestly think that this is the single BIGGEST community online using our beloved kaiser devices. Hopefully this does not come out of the blue for you, but there is something frikkin' wrong with the device we have bought.
There was 2 reasons for you why this kind of a threads easily pop out in GENERAL forums like this. Some people still want to get something in exchange for their money, not just crap.
Boycotting is useful, and it's the most powerful tool that single user can do against a company, which screwed him up without doing anything illeagal. This is where this forum could be helpful, here we have the people together. And if we complain together, maybe one day something gets done. Compare this to the situation between damn yankies and north korea for example. "Let's not give them what they want until they do what we want." Expect no nukes for the korea. You get it?
I feel sad that most of the people just accept the **** that big companies throw at you. I don't, A LOT of people won't accept that. Also, I'm completely sorry that I distracted you from your development work. Made you open this thread and whine about me whining.
And remember, this is nothing personal, there are a lot of you wankers out there whose fav hobby is to complain to n000bs and anything that.. that happens to annoy them at the time being. Then comes the bigger whiner, who whines about the whiner who whines about the whiner and that one is whining to whiner by the way.
You get the point? That there is a difference whining to other users and whining to wrong doers, who steal you money and feed you mouthful of poopi.
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Well i certainly dont complain to n00bs unless there are threads similar to this. I should just ignore it for this point forward because we both have our opinions and neither is right nor wrong. Here is just a sample of what I do for n00bs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394543&highlight=stuck+bootloader
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2228402&highlight=redbandana#post2228402
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2228280&highlight=redbandana#post2228280
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394657&page=2
and then some.
However, I do bash n00bs when there are posts bashing HTC. Sorry to offend you in anyway.
^^ I understand your frustration and i share similar sentiments with you. A similar thread was posted yesterday(you can find it on page 2) and the day before yesterday on the ROM dev. forum. It gets annoying after a while, thats all.
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Well i certainly dont complain to n00bs unless there are threads similar to this. I should just ignore it for this point forward because we both have our opinions and neither is right nor wrong. Here is just a sample of what I do for n00bs. ... . .
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Alright, It seems really we just happen to have our personal opinions, which we are completely righteous. I must admit I totally see your initial point, how this forum is built over the dedication of people who simply love to learn new things. It is totally frustrating nowadays to see people just complaining, without doing a **** about the real issues. I hope I didn't do exactly that, by starting this thread. The real reason to that is just, I would love to scare the **** out of HTC, make them see that they will go down if they don't respect us the way they should.
I do recognize what you stand for, and I must say there must not be anything that I wouldn't share with you. The thing that started this, must be that I have always been a man who stands behind his words, at least most of the time, and I assume the same from others. That includes all the big companies, groups and individuals. It really makes me sad to see where this world is going just because the only thing that matters to people is money. Huge corporations, sucking all the money they can, that's the end of people trying to provide just themselves.. no.. they want all that they can get. In the end, the one who pays the costs is dudes like us.
I honestly also didn't mean to offend anyone, and if it seemed so, I truly apologize. So in the end of the day, it seems like we are alone, with our Kaisers, trying to get the best out of it. So let's just keep on tuning it, until we are happy. That seems to be the initial purpose of this whole place's existence.
really sorry for my funny use of english, you native speakers must be laughing your asses off. But me not native, me from land of the barb-backed fishes. :|
I'm sure this awesome online community only makes up about less then half (if even) of tilt/kaiser/etc owners. There are many people that own this phone because they need it and never go online to mod it. Out of that assumed half I would say a 10th read what is posted or understand a single thing about this phone. That leaves a large number of people who think their phone is "crap" because you tell them it is. Yes I would like to see the phone be faster but I don't think it's crap nor do I think HTC has screwed me over. I don't seem to remember any stats that they released in regards to video or any other performance. Do you? Where are their benchmarks they advertised that weren't acheived by our lovely devices? If you can show them to me then I, and all of my friends will sign your wish list, but until I see them I will just think that everyone is butt hurt over an assumed performance loss.
HTC in my opinion has done something about this. Is it good enough to truely unlock the power of the Kaiser? No, but was it something rather then nothing? Do any of you know the cost of the video driver per unit? No, then how can people claim they paid for something they didn't get. How do you know it wouldn't have been another $50 that would have been tagged on. From what was advertised I will say I got 100% of what this phone was supposed to do.
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From what was advertised I will say I got 100% of what this phone was supposed to do.
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This is strange opinion ..
because: when I bought the phone, I was thinkin buying the BEST phone in the market. Multimedia experience with keyboard.... Check the price and compare it to other older models if you know what I mean!
If I know it sooner I'd rather choose MWG, or iULTIMATE.. FOR SURE
I don't really care about support after market
But this laggy thing gives me s*it..... the fact that THIS THING DOESN'T have this BEFORE MARKET and they are HIDING THIS FACT!!!!
No multimedia experience only headache if you used it almost every time WITH touch screen... if... u know what I mean... do you??? or u just using it for modem only????
...bump
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This is strange opinion ..
because: when I bought the phone, I was thinkin buying the BEST phone in the market. Multimedia experience with keyboard.... Check the price and compare it to other older models if you know what I mean!
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+1 Chumley I also go alot on the support forums for the iPhone, because my wife has an iPhone. If you were new to the iPhone you would think that it was the biggest piece of crap around. Thats all that is there is whining and complaining about how it doesn't work, Apple sold us a piece of crap . Here is a petition, let's put Apple out of business. As with all other forums a very vocal MINORITY of people who for whatever reason are having trouble with there phones.
Don't even get me started with the " Check the price, I thought I was getting the best " consumer strategy. I am just glad you don't buy my groceries.
I love my phone ,it does everything they told me it would do.It makes phone
calls, it schedules, MS Office is great, web access is great, I have push email, My gps works great etc... etc.....etc. Do I care that it doesn't have a Nikon D40 inside, do I care that I can't play WoW on it , do I care that I can't watch you tube all day at 3G on a battery charge? No ! This isn't what they promised me and this isn't what I bought my phone for.
Bottom line is, there are a million people out there that are perfectly satisfied with their HTC product. But we never hear from them. They are the silent majority. We here have to put up with thread after thread after thread because the vocal minority thinks we care that they bought a phone they don't like
STOP *****ing about Video Drivers. Who care. The phone is fine. You are forgetting that it's a PHONE! Be glad they added alot of extra stuff you can't find in a majority of phones. I have never had a problem watching videos and movies on my phone. Seriously.. geez
Please vote
I'm just guessing that this topic will be locked as it'll get way to heated and political.
If i were to start on Bush and McCain, i'm sure i'd get in some trouble So that's Obama for me (even though i'll miss this voting election by a few months).
Well, that McCain sure is [INSERT OPINION]. Whereas Obama without a doubt is [INSERT OPPOSITE OPINION].
But seriously, get registered today, or your opinion won't count either way.
Why is this in about XDA. XDA is on Servers in The Netherlands if I recall correctly.
Moved to Off-Topic.
I'm only going to say this once. Respectable exchange of opinions and ideas are allow. If it gets out of Hand, the thread will be closed and Bans will be given!
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Well, I'm gonna throw up a bunch of videos, watch as many or as few as you want, and make your own judgments.
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What? Don't want to post the Anti-Obama Videos too? Sounding like CNN
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What? Don't want to post the Anti-Obama Videos too? Sounding like CNN
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Find me some, show me exactly how Obama lies about everything he does... Please.
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Find me some, show me exactly how Obama lies about everything he does... Please.
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Heheh. If he does he does it well!
I saw the polls about a week ago and that's when I realized Obama isn't leading at ~70%. I didn't expect McCain to have so many supporters. I mean... 50 percent?!
Eh. McCain still might have a chance. I mean Palin completes him. She can do things he cant. While Obama.......had....*cough*....made.....a...*cough* pretty bad choice at picking a vice president. They basically share views. They'll agree to the same thing so they'll always follow each other >.> Just stating opinion. Even though I'm not a US Citizen or 18+ in age. Just a US Resisdent that will be paying the taxes of the debt later in my life that you people created today >.>
I think Joe Biden KILLED Palin in tonight's debate.
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I think Joe Biden KILLED Palin in tonight's debate.
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I love how she beats around the bush on EVERY question. Simple question, the woman asked her "so is it safe to say that you two agree on gay marriage, you did say you didn't agree with it right?" And she goes on for 45 seconds talking about gay marriage! Haha hilarious. After she was done the woman asking questions was just like "ooookay... so you agree, now let's move on."
I see the education system of this country has been corrupted by CNN and MSNBC.
What next? Get your daily news from John Stewart. No wait I know....get real "independent" journalism from the NY Times.
Honestly, if you think that a debates makes somebody intelligent or qualified to run a county or be second in command they you need to re-evaluate your own knowledge. Would it not be better to have somebody deliberate on topic before spouting out something?
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I love how she beats around the bush on EVERY question. Simple question, the woman asked her "so is it safe to say that you two agree on gay marriage, you did say you didn't agree with it right?" And she goes on for 45 seconds talking about gay marriage! Haha hilarious. After she was done the woman asking questions was just like "ooookay... so you agree, now let's move on."
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Doesn't beating around the bush also mean that, "Yes I agree, but for those of you who don't understand why let me just explain a bit?"
first off I agree with the above post 12!!
ok here comes an observation from me in South Africa ...my observation is that every president of the USA for some time now is far worse than the previous (this is just my opinion) so regardless of who the next president it gonna interesting for me to see what's next? ...but I think Obama is gonna win..
(well I shouldn't talk too much, our political situation is currently in the dog house )
"long live democracy...so long as you agree with me" - absorber786
AllTheWay said:
I see the education system of this country has been corrupted by CNN and MSNBC.
What next? Get your daily news from John Stewart. No wait I know....get real "independent" journalism from the NY Times.
Honestly, if you think that a debates makes somebody intelligent or qualified to run a county or be second in command they you need to re-evaluate your own knowledge. Would it not be better to have somebody deliberate on topic before spouting out something?
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I know Palin isn't qualified to run our country from far more than her debate tonight. It's nice to see you go ahead and criticize so quickly, I'm sure you'd love Palin to lead your country then? Hockey mom with 2 years of experience as governor of what? Oh yeah, the 2nd largest city in a state that has 683,000 people. New York City has roughly 8.5 million, and the man who was at the helm of that for a decade wasn't qualified to be president... But a woman who has 1/5th the experience and 1/100th the population under her is surely built for the job. If you think these candidates haven't carefully considered and weighed the options for every question and topic they spoke about tonight, tell me, why would they be running for president? They've prepared, they know what their stances are on every subject, and the debate is simply an opportunity to put them up against each other. I think you're the one who's misinformed or undereducated if you think this is a Jeopardy show-down for who can answer questions fastest, it's just a way for the people to see these two doctrines in direct comparison.
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ok here comes an observation from me in South Africa ...my observation is that every president of the USA for some time now is far worse than the previous (this is just my opinion)
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Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan... I'd say Reagan was slightly more successful than Nixon. ;-)
I see what you're saying, overall the presidents don't seem to stack up to what's been said about the past... But I think GWB is about to complete such a giant failure of a term that it skews our opinions on these things. Let's hope for a better future.
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I think you're the one who's misinformed or undereducated if you think this is a Jeopardy show-down for who can answer questions fastest, it's just a way for the people to see these two doctrines in direct comparison.
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Actually I think Palin is a bad choice, but when I do vote I don't vote who I want to be vice president. Please share with us your infinite wisdom, in which an election was decided based soley on the vice presidential canidate. I do remember in 1992 when a man named Bill Clinton ran from a "small" state called Arkansas. I think he did pretty well as President. Just because somebody doesn't have vast experience in governing a large group of people doesn't make they disqualified from being a leader.
Do I think that picking Palin was a bad choice, yes. It was a political move by John McCain to gain votes. Will it pay off, I don't think so.
People are just so quick to judge somebody. I personally like the fact that she doesn't have vast experience in Washington politics and brings something new to the table. If you think policy and decisions by the president is made solely by themselves, then you sir are misinformed.
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I know Palin isn't qualified to run our country from far more than her debate tonight. It's nice to see you go ahead and criticize so quickly, I'm sure you'd love Palin to lead your country then? Hockey mom with 2 years of experience as governor of what? Oh yeah, the 2nd largest city in a state that has 683,000 people. New York City has roughly 8.5 million, and the man who was at the helm of that for a decade wasn't qualified to be president... But a woman who has 1/5th the experience and 1/100th the population under her is surely built for the job. If you think these candidates haven't carefully considered and weighed the options for every question and topic they spoke about tonight, tell me, why would they be running for president? They've prepared, they know what their stances are on every subject, and the debate is simply an opportunity to put them up against each other. I think you're the one who's misinformed or undereducated if you think this is a Jeopardy show-down for who can answer questions fastest, it's just a way for the people to see these two doctrines in direct comparison.
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With all of the "Liberal Talking Point's" just spouted, tell me Obama's qualifications to be President.
Talk about "Drinking the Kool-Aid". If you are going to spout opinions at least spout your own.
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Actually I think Palin is a bad choice, but when I do vote I don't vote who I want to be vice president. Please share with us your infinite wisdom, in which an election was decided based soley on the vice presidential canidate. I do remember in 1992 when a man named Bill Clinton ran from a "small" state called Arkansas. I think he did pretty well as President. Just because somebody doesn't have vast experience in governing a large group of people doesn't make they disqualified from being a leader.
Do I think that picking Palin was a bad choice, yes. It was a political move by John McCain to gain votes. Will it pay off, I don't think so.
People are just so quick to judge somebody. I personally like the fact that she doesn't have vast experience in Washington politics and brings something new to the table. If you think policy and decisions by the president is made solely by themselves, then you sir are misinformed.
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So you're saying Palin isn't qualified to run the country, but that's not a reason to vote against McCain/Palin. McCain is 72 years old, did you know that'd make him the oldest president in history? There's a good chance, with the high stress level of the job, that a 72-76 year old won't live through his entire term. Here's a shocker, who's president then? Palin. The part that bothers me though, is that McCain is just as much of a liar as Palin is... And a few of his positions (the war mainly) are enough to turn me away from him, he said he plans to be in Iraq for another decade... That's ridiculous. HAHA I just read the last sentence of your post, and here's what you're saying... "They don't need to be capable of making the decisions themselves, because no decision is made solely by the president." WAKE UP to the real world, regardless of how many people are advising them, a bad president can still **** things up (see: President #43). Do you want to compare Palin to Clinton? Bill clinton was governor of Arkansas (an entire state, not a town) for 12 years. So here's what you're comparing to be the same. Clinton: 2,350,000 people under his governance for 12 years. Palin: Governor for 2 years, and get ready for this population, it's 10x less than even I thought... 9,780. Oh man, you're sooo right, there's no difference between 12 years and over 2 million people to 2 years and 10 thousand... Palin's just as qualified!
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With all of the "Liberal Talking Point's" just spouted, tell me Obama's qualifications to be President.
Talk about "Drinking the Kool-Aid". If you are going to spout opinions at least spout your own.
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He was an Illinois state senator from 1997-2004 and on the US senate from 2005 until present. He didn't get captured in another country 50 years ago, but I'm sure that would've made him much more qualified to be president. I think some people like to forget when talking about McCain, the man has 12 houses and a wife with more money than god, he's not the person he was 5 decades ago. He'll be just as conservative as GWB, and I love how he says he'll "shake things up" in Washington and end corruption... 7 of his major supporters are lobbyists, but I'm sure he's going to be the one to take them down... Right. The simple fact that everyone has heard 500 times but still ignores, McCain has had the same stance as George W. Bush on 90% of the issues that have come to question. Are you guys happy with the last 8 years of presidency? I know I'm not.
Hi to All,
I am just wondering if anybody would be interested in joining a real event where we could meet somewhere in europe (Geneva? quite central and well served by cheap low-fare flights).
We could meet for one weekend, for example, and the meeting could be focused to BXD: Blackstone Xda Developers!
the entrance ticket is quite obvious: the touch HD with a non-official ROM!
...ad maybe somebody could develop some nice apps for BT identification?
I post this thread here because i think it should be a targeted event, not a general public happening. I wonder if we could also get some support from HTC or some local media, for example to rent a meeting place. Maybe we could even make a few contests and share some acknowledgements, but these are just few ideas.
...Please post your opinions!
EDIT: for your information, the poll is "in clear" e.g clicking on the numbers you can see individual names...of course, it is not binding!
...reserved for future use...
Sounds good,
But XDA is going down words...
So don't think I'm in the mood to meet some haters here....
Still a good idea.
xmoo said:
Sounds good,
But XDA is going down words...
So don't think I'm in the mood to meet some haters here....
Still a good idea.
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Hi Xmoo,
we all have different opinions, i would be surprised if intelligent people would not understand each other point. I am not a moderator, but i didn't see any heavy personal offense - i know that some moderators are really very keen on that...
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Hi Xmoo,
we all have different opinions, i would be surprised if intelligent people would not understand each other point. I am not a moderator, but i didn't see any heavy personal offense - i know that some moderators are really very keen on that...
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Well it's nothign personal.
I'm talking bout the no share issue.
I'm talking bout the android issue.
I'm talking bout the issue that many rom coockers are planning to leave.
One of my best friends and a long time member of XDA is planning to leave.
He is also a moderator... so.....
But on topic.
I would wanna go tho.
Geneva sounds good. So we can also see the car show
i like the idea, and had you suggested it a few years back then it would probably have been a big hit, but id like to echo the words above, some moderators have serious issues on here, the site is beginning to lose its self and its consistancy the admins dont appear to take any notice and let their mods run riot, even members seem to demand everything and give nothing,
Ive stopped my donations for my own reasons, i doubt i will continue unless things improve, at the mo id would rather support the individual programer than the whole community which is shame.
Still its a nice idea, but poor timing im afraid.
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Well it's nothign personal.
I'm talking bout the no share issue.
I'm talking bout the android issue.
I'm talking bout the issue that many rom coockers are planning to leave.
One of my best friends and a long time member of XDA is planning to leave.
He is also a moderator... so.....
But on topic.
I would wanna go tho.
Geneva sounds good. So we can also see the car show
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Off Topic: XDA is a container, as well as a real-life event. We are all civilized persons, and i am sure we could format different opinions into a real and pacific confrontations.
On topic: unfortunately, during the car show you cannot find lodging in the radius of 50 km....and becomes quite expensive.
I don't want to make any advertisement, but check for prices on www.easyjet.com from your place to Geneva and you'll realize it is one of the cheapest places to reach in Europe! Maybe London or Amsterdam are alternatives...
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i like the idea, and had you suggested it a few years back then it would probably have been a big hit, but id like to echo the words above, some moderators have serious issues on here, the site is beginning to lose its self and its consistancy the admins dont appear to take any notice and let their mods run riot, even members seem to demand everything and give nothing,
Ive stopped my donations for my own reasons, i doubt i will continue unless things improve, at the mo id would rather support the individual programer than the whole community which is shame.
Still its a nice idea, but poor timing im afraid.
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It is becoming quite a religious thing. To avoid what religions have been doing in the past, maybe an ecumenic event could help?
On my side, i moderate my signature - you are both right in saying that increasing the temperature doesn't help ourselves.
pzucchel said:
Off Topic: XDA is a container, as well as a real-life event. We are all civilized persons, and i am sure we could format different opinions into a real and pacific confrontations.
On topic: unfortunately, during the car show you cannot find lodging in the radius of 50 km....and becomes quite expensive.
I don't want to make any advertisement, but check for prices on www.easyjet.com from your place to Geneva and you'll realize it is one of the cheapest places to reach in Europe! Maybe London or Amsterdam are alternatives...
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Baa forget London its cheaper for most folk to get to the south of france and stay a few nights then it is to fly an hour in London, besides Scotlands better!
i am new here since i ve own a blackstone.. but without xda? htc would be nothing for me..
i am very interested in a meeting.. also i am more a computer geek (admin of very independent pctreiber.net) i am really interested in learning and in xda stuff, i really like it here and appreciate a lot. i have no negative opinion about xda, for sure.
meeting:
would be really nice.. and a place to learn and meet.. like a wordcamp (wordpress)
Sounds like a ssplendid idea... Will definitely think about it
i am really interested and will try everything to take part.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483612
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Still its a nice idea, but poor timing im afraid.
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There may be issues right now, with many people disillusioned, but I like pzucchel's style in bringing forward something so positive to the table. That's only to be commended and can only help to recover the spirit that is seen to be lost! Good on ya!
Count me in and it's 100% if it is London
Nice Idea (creative and constructive) - we need people like you here pzucchel - good man!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483612
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Thanks Schooleydoo, i didn't know about it!
First of all, i would like to clarify that this is just a proposal for discussion and reflection. I personally hate "organizers" jumping on top of spontaneous events to get some personal benefits in terms of recognition and reputation, and i can tell you for sure i don't have any of these targets. But there is a large number of nice people here, and people that i respect a lot even if they have opinions different from mines....that i would like to meet in person.
(including Dutty if you really want to spell it out! He is a great cook, nobody should forget that he always shared a big number of his achievements by making cabs that were used by many other roms, freely...it must be just a big misunderstanding...right Dutty?)
...sorry, Back to topic:
Seeing the number of possible attendees after 12 hours of posting already of the order of 50, i would personally argue to restrict it to the blackstone device only, for three reasons:
1. Even if there is a lot to share technically, it could well be that we have never had contacts with people from other devices. and the interest in meeting will become restricted to social groups "per device".
2. It should be, in my opinion, mainly a social event. Technical matters can be easily discussed on the forum, in fact. And to be a useful social event we would need to be less than 100 or so, to be able to meet each other and say at least 2 words in 48 hours to people that we don't know a lot, but that we could know during our forum activity!
3. Parallel sessions is, in my opinion, a mistake. if we have a single session we could easily broadcast it on internet, and allow our asian and australian and american friends (those without CDMA support! ) to be part of the event. We are ONE community, don't forget! i would love to meet our viet friends also! but we could have webcam attendants, no?
In my opinion, the best number of attendes should be below 120. Of course it should be an OPEN event (Yes we share! ) , but we should try to target a manageable number, in terms of logistics and social aspects. Any other comments or opinions?
I alread imagine meeting a 15 year old guy with the badge "Schooleydoo"...
By the way: did anybody notice that apparently techno geeks are all males? or this is a demonstration of biological superiority or somebody is cheating...
(this to attract more attendees!!! )
hey.. of course i will take my girlfriend (n73me) with me to this event/party/meeting.. its not a wordcamp, its an xdacamp and sure a great idea and happening. i agree your words full!
every time I login theres a new whatsapp for this and that. Put it under one thread or something. itd getting pretty annoying!
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I feel ya. There are a lot of threads that need to be either linked or deleted. But XDA has turned into a thanks troll.
Can't even get relative information without scrolling through pages of trolls.
+1
That's why am using xda only in emergencies or when bored...
It used to be good ages ago, but nowerdays it for the masses and they are stupid.
Don't know the search function, post bull****, make it hard to get usefull information.
Stupid is spreading like Islam...
Maybe a bad comparison but that's how it is.
Even sammobile stopped leaking because of stupid people
Google made SD cards useless officially because of stupid people causing too many problems
Good series got cancelled because of being intellectually too demanding for the masses
...
I would pay 100 bucks for a forum with minimum IQ entry
Maybe it's far fetched and idiotic but it's getting worse and worse faster than ever before
Mods don't care... their job is to keep all happy... masses of idiots make tons of clicks -> better 4anking -> more money
Just remember this is a place where the uneducated can get helpful information. We all used to be uneducated at one point. We are here to help each other. If there was a group with only Albert Einstein's, what good would it be if you didnt share with the rest. Granted people do ask the same questions over and over but come on does it really piss you off that bad. I still think it's a dumb idea to give out your phone number to complete strangers so they can intant message you in the wee hours of the night. That sound like a group for geniuses.
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That's why am using xda only in emergencies or when bored...
It used to be good ages ago, but nowerdays it for the masses and they are stupid.
Don't know the search function, post bull****, make it hard to get usefull information.
Stupid is spreading like Islam...
Maybe a bad comparison but that's how it is.
Even sammobile stopped leaking because of stupid people
Google made SD cards useless officially because of stupid people causing too many problems
Good series got cancelled because of being intellectually too demanding for the masses
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I would pay 100 bucks for a forum with minimum IQ entry
Maybe it's far fetched and idiotic but it's getting worse and worse faster than ever before
Mods don't care... their job is to keep all happy... masses of idiots make tons of clicks -> better 4anking -> more money
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I understand your frustration. Also, using Islam as an example is definitely a bad one. Please try to be be careful as to not cause offence.
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Just remember this is a place where the uneducated can get helpful information. We all used to be uneducated at one point. We are here to help each other. If there was a group with only Albert Einstein's, what good would it be if you didnt share with the rest. Granted people do ask the same questions over and over but come on does it really piss you off that bad. I still think it's a dumb idea to give out your phone number to complete strangers so they can intant message you in the wee hours of the night. That sound like a group for geniuses.
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Asking the same questions over and over isn't the only problem. There's also more people complaining about very small things, or trolling if you will. "Why doesn't it have x, or y, or z?" Even if it's not really a problem at all. Of course people come here uneducated, and they want to learn. That's great. If everyone could just be more polite, or modest, the community would be so much better. Some people on here are acting like they're twelve years old.
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Asking the same questions over and over isn't the only problem. There's also more people complaining about very small things, or trolling if you will. "Why doesn't it have x, or y, or z?" Even if it's not really a problem at all. Of course people come here uneducated, and they want to learn. That's great. If everyone could just be more polite, or modest, the community would be so much better. Some people on here are acting like they're twelve years old.
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This is true I would have to agree. I'm not sure it warrants doing a whats app thread that possibly the same kids are joining and will later ask stupid questions in that group.
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<Moderator Edit>: Thread closed.
It is not okay to encourage others to take actions that may result in the punishment or firing of people doing their job - most of the time they're contractors who don't even work directly for the company who makes your device. I did see what was written in later posts, but the OP wasn't changed and still encouraged other users to punish people doing their jobs.
I empathize. You are allowed to vent on XDA, but only if done respectfully, without profanity, and as long as it's relevant to an already existing thread, and don't vent non-stop. Stand-alone threads made for venting or trying to punish others is not what XDA is for.
Everyone, have a better day.
@roirraW "edor" ehT
Why are you doing this?
Arealhooman said:
Why are you doing this?
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Cause change can happen when enough people care.
maamdroid said:
Cause change can happen when enough people care.
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if yo don't even care to explain what that's about that's just a nasty rant, tho'.
Plus, that's a nuber in the United States, so...
All you're really doing is making the rep who answered the call have their numbers tank which could eventually get them terminated.
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This 100% works:
Boycott OnePlus and don't buy anythings from this brand
OnePlus MUST disappear from this world !!
Call them
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I have same issue with zte. I want to root ZTE blade A5 2019, it is unisoc SC9863A and it needs an unlock file to be signed. I sent hundreds of emails, all wortless:
I really don't know what to do. Also I tried asking my provider, but they don't know what I'm talking about. Really sad all of this
Please call every day.
Please make a positive
You're just going to get the person answering your call fired. That's literally all that's going to happen from this. Companies do not care about this as it is not reflected on their profit and loss.
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You're just going to get the person answering your call fired. That's literally all that's going to happen from this. Companies do not care about this as it is not reflected on their profit and loss.
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mackdacre said:
You're just going to get the person answering your call fired. That's literally all that's going to happen from this. Companies do not care about this as it is not reflected on their profit and loss.
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Please tell me how as a customer I'm suppose to understand how a company runs itself. I can move on to another phone/company ...are you saying this company should be left alone and a customer shouldn't be able to ask them questions for fear that the person I'm asking the questions to may be fired?
Edit:. The one thing I won't do because I know it's just gonna impact the person is rating low on a survey...I never actually get transferred to a survey, but I can't in my own morality rate low. If they ever put me to the survey, I will always rate the max high...
maamdroid said:
Please tell me how as a customer I'm suppose to understand how a company runs itself. I can move on to another phone/company ...are you saying this company should be left alone and a customer shouldn't be able to ask them questions for fear that the person I'm asking the questions to may be fired?
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All companies care about is making as much money as possible. If you don't like how the company is run, then don't give them your money.
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All companies care about is making as much money as possible. If you don't like how the company is run, then don't give them your money.
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Hmmm, or you can ask them questions...
What if I like their product...but I don't like a thing they are doing? I need to move on?? The charging OnePlus has is so fantastic...I love my 10T. It's ok that I ask and question about msm.
I think you'd get more traction if you had a big campaign at XDA to find the least sucky device.
There should be a ranking of devices.
I realize that the rooter community is small compared to the user base.
But I also think they have a lot of influence on what their friends and family buys.
Renate said:
I think you'd get more traction if you had a big campaign at XDA to find the least sucky device.
There should be a ranking of devices.
I realize that the rooter community is small compared to the user base.
But I also think they have a lot of influence on what their friends and family buys.
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Just got the email from OnePlus. The signature from the guy says. "Never Settle""
So funny when a couple posts back has a customer saying...just settle...lol. Never Settle...
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Just buy the domaine name and do a webpage !
Nixeus2 said:
Just bought the domaine name and do a webpage !
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Wait really! Spread the message
BBK Electronics
Oppo
OnePlus
Vivo
Realme
iQOO
Bonus track:
Xiaomi
hank81 said:
BBK Electronics
Oppo
OnePlus
Vivo
Realme
iQOO
Bonus track:
Xiaomi
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