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So we've seen the projects to create a ROM for Android on the Rhodium... Well now that the Symbian Foundation has released their open source code I think our handy dandy developers have an even greater challenge on their hands!
Who else is interested?
For those of you interested I've included information on the source code from Symbian.org:
developer. symbian. org/wiki/index.php?title= Categorylatform_Opening&action=edit
Hey fellow XDA-ers. I thank you for your thoughts thus far. Android is only a part of the next wave in Mobile Computing. Honestly I've found the MyTouch I owned from T-Mo too be toooooo slow and toooooo consumerish. I like a phone that has both lifestyle and professional all in its mix. This makes me a big fan of WinMo and Symbian. Seeing that Windows Mobile and Symbians *NEW* operating system both run C++ and .NET it may be much easier, practical and cooler than we think.
Yea...
Theoretically it should be a pretty fast and stable alternative. It would be dope, but there wouldhave to be some major UI changes for me to try it out....but maybe I'm unsure on how far Symbian has come...
I personally don't see the need for another proprietary operating system with its origins 20+ years old, windows mobile is enough of that for me.
Android was developed from the ground up with modern mobile devices in mind and in my opinion anyways is the most promising mobile os on the market right now.
Gootah said:
Theoretically it should be a pretty fast and stable alternative. It would be dope, but there wouldhave to be some major UI changes for me to try it out....but maybe I'm unsure on how far Symbian has come...
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UI changes in Symbian??? Sense/TF3D makes Symbian look like a Palm M500 I'd rather any developers with free time spend it on Android.
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So we've seen the projects to create a ROM for Android on the Rhodium... Well now that the Symbian Foundation has released their open source code I think our handy dandy developers have an even greater challenge on their hands!
Who else is interested?
For those of you interested I've included information on the source code from Symbian.org:
developer. symbian. org/wiki/index.php?title= Categorylatform_Opening&action=edit
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No need for that man. Even though Symbian has the highest exposure worldwide Android is the next wave, plus Nokia has Maemo to push as it is. Dual OS is more than enough for HTC user, such as myself. Just imagine triple boot Gen.Y where are you? LOL
just buy yourself a damn nokia ...
Android is crap i had a few device, and simbian is just fallin in darkness...
why would you want symbian? i could see android and iphone os for the apps and winmo for the customization and community support, even palm and webos... for reasons. but symbian isnt pretty, or userfriendly, customizable, or have alot of apps. its a slightly uglier version of blackberrys os. besides does it even support wvga resolutions? i think the only other os to do that is android.
... what a weird discussion, I do understand to have Symbian a lot more than Android here are my point against android:
- everybody says it is open source, the core is but nothing else that is why there are so few aternative ROMS
- No real GPS software, dont even star to compare with solutions available on Symbian or WM
- No tethering without hack!!!!! I am dreaming here, I was about to by the Moto-Droid, when I saw that I went back to my good TP2
- Google is as close as Apple when it come to app available on its store.
a nice GUI is NOT all, and software and functions make the difference, people can complain as much as they want about the "old" WM is it so far the OS which give the more flexibility and Symbian cones just behind, use a N97 and you'll see how smooth it is.
Now this will probably lead to a troll discussion but for me trying to adapt Android to some other device or symbian is perfect for fan who want to play but not for "production" phone, and for that I clearly keep WM so far. waiting for WM7
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OP: Have you ever even used Symbian? I have, and I have to say it's the most god awful mobile OS I've ever used. I returned the Nokia I bought within a week because Symbian was truly terrible. I can't honestly imagine why anyone would want to run Symbian, by choice, when you have other options like Android, Maemo/Mer, Windows Mobile, or anything other than Symbian. I wouldn't ever want the capable developers who could port Symbian actually waste their time on such a terrible OS. Porting Symbian to the Pro2 would be a downgrade; it would be like trading in a premium, business class smartphone for a $10 feature phone. IMO, not worth it. [/my 2 cents]
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... what a weird discussion, I do understand to have Symbian a lot more than Android here are my point against android:
- everybody says it is open source, the core is but nothing else that is why there are so few aternative ROMS
- No real GPS software, dont even star to compare with solutions available on Symbian or WM
- No tethering without hack!!!!! I am dreaming here, I was about to by the Moto-Droid, when I saw that I went back to my good TP2
- Google is as close as Apple when it come to app available on its store.
a nice GUI is NOT all, and software and functions make the difference, people can complain as much as they want about the "old" WM is it so far the OS which give the more flexibility and Symbian cones just behind, use a N97 and you'll see how smooth it is.
Now this will probably lead to a troll discussion but for me trying to adapt Android to some other device or symbian is perfect for fan who want to play but not for "production" phone, and for that I clearly keep WM so far. waiting for WM7
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i've used the N97 before. in fact, I came to the TP2 from an N97. symbian is, IMO, one of the most brilliantly designed mobile OSes in existence but it's implementation on the N97 was flawed, to put it mildly. don't get me wrong--I love Symbian and the N97 but there was too much wrong for me to overlook. For one, the v. 12 firmware(and, to a lesser extent, the v. 20 firmware) was too buggy for me and the N97 was all but smooth even with theme effects turned off. This may have been remedied with more RAM and a MUCH faster CPU(OMAP 3, anyone?). For what was to be a flagship the N97 was a great disappointment.
As for Symbian on the TP2, I would wait until later in the year to see what Symbian^3 has to offer before considering porting it.
Just my $.02...
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You get the point and understand.
I think most of the people are thinking of the old S40 OS which was garbage. But S60v5 which will now become the revamped Symbian^3, ^4 and ^5 will be an amazing piece of ROM and feature rich capabilities.
Because Symbian and WM are both written in Windows codes this should be a much easier project than Android. Android is great for those who want to use it but it's going to be overshadowed in years to come by Apple, Nokia and Windows.
(pending the Nokia v Apple litigation over Apple misusing patented Nokia technology)
i would love to see sense on wvga. i hope htc isnt giving up on that. i think android has the customization of windows mobile with the app store and prettyness of iphone os. just dont expect any other os's to run. linux has a way of working on any device.
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UI changes in Symbian??? Sense/TF3D makes Symbian look like a Palm M500 I'd rather any developers with free time spend it on Android.
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The Jack of Clubs said:
i would love to see sense on wvga. i hope htc isnt giving up on that. i think android has the customization of windows mobile with the app store and prettyness of iphone os. just dont expect any other os's to run. linux has a way of working on any device.
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That where I disagree. the Operating system is the base of a platform and so far Android is as stuck as the iPhone, WM offer a lot more "playability" let see if WM7 will be as good for that. the important part is also the software and Android/Google as iPhone/Apple want to control all of this so refuse software allowing tethering and have the right of life and death on any application. I HATE this,
I bought the phone, it is MINE, if I want to void the warranty it is my problem, if I want to install an illegal application in my country I take responsability and refuse that google or Apple guide me like if I was a kid, I mean look at that: http://www.androidguys.com/2010/01/25/nexus-censoring-swear-words/ I really can't stand that you buy a piece of equipment for so much and companies want to force you to use it there way. Plus privacy!!! GOOGLE STORES EVERYTHING YOU DO WITH YOUR (???) PHONE!!! And nobody complains, everybody loves it. a nice GUI is not enough to make a good OS, I am not even talking about the iphone and the multitasking...
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You get the point and understand.
I think most of the people are thinking of the old S40 OS which was garbage. But S60v5 which will now become the revamped Symbian^3, ^4 and ^5 will be an amazing piece of ROM and feature rich capabilities.
Because Symbian and WM are both written in Windows codes this should be a much easier project than Android. Android is great for those who want to use it but it's going to be overshadowed in years to come by Apple, Nokia and Windows.
(pending the Nokia v Apple litigation over Apple misusing patented Nokia technology)
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I was wondering why other posters were making it sound like this was the worst idea anyone's ever read...it didn't sound too bad to me, hah. S60v5 doesn't look as awful as the posts are making it seem.
I don't really care too much either way on this topic. If there was a working rom out there I'd flash to it just to tinker around with since I've never used symbian. That said, I'm more excited about android progress (Even more so about W7, fingers crossed that we aren't disappointed), and totally fine with wm6.5.3 for day to day use until my next device.
android lets you customize the look and feel as much if not more than windows mobile, supports multiple devices and different resolutions, and lets you install programs outside the app store. thats why i think its most like windows mobile. it has the bonus of looking good and having lots of apps like iphone os. which is all why im most excited about it. i think it still feels a little bare but its getting developed fast.
The last time i really liked Symbian, it was called EPOC on my good old Psion Series 5mx, it had great community and support, nowadays symbian is just a crippled platform that mostly Nokia uses. I think its too late for them to go open source, it should have happened years ago...
I just hope that WM7 will be as good as Win7 after the good old matured XP
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
OP: Have you ever even used Symbian? I have, and I have to say it's the most god awful mobile OS I've ever used. I returned the Nokia I bought within a week because Symbian was truly terrible. I can't honestly imagine why anyone would want to run Symbian, by choice, when you have other options like Android, Maemo/Mer, Windows Mobile, or anything other than Symbian. I wouldn't ever want the capable developers who could port Symbian actually waste their time on such a terrible OS. Porting Symbian to the Pro2 would be a downgrade; it would be like trading in a premium, business class smartphone for a $10 feature phone. IMO, not worth it. [/my 2 cents]
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I have to agree with Dave this OS is just crap...
phr33ksho said:
I personally don't see the need for another proprietary operating system with its origins 20+ years old
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how exactly did you come up with "proprietary" idea when it was released as opensource. by the very definition it can not be proprietary.
20+ years ago? wow... you are pretty ignorant, aren't you? why don't you go read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian_OS before you make yourself look any more foolish.
What ever happened to just WinMo and Blackberry and Symbian?
We now have
Windows Mobile
Windows Phone Series 7
Android
WebOS
Bada
LG are developing there own
S-Class (sort of counts?)
iPhone OS
Motorola are developing there own
Symbian s60
Maemo
Blackberry OS
I know more choice is usually a better thing, but surely there is a limit?
Agree, this is way too many! Some will not succeed or will be combined in the next few years.
Don't forget about Brew Mobile by Qualcomm
There is a big difference between Smart OS and other Regular OS`s that intended to be for feature phones , such as Brew, S40 Nokia feature phones platform .. I personally dont think its right to classify Beda OS as smart OS .. but anyway samsung is using the "Smart" word more that any other company.
Btw LG announced they are not planning to build an OS.
Its good to have variety of choices plus it bring up new stuff .. look how amazing webOS is,how stable iPhone OS is .. and hey .. seems like android is capable of putting the best of all out there ..
anyway .. in time the bad OSes will die and disappear the good ones only would make it and stay
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Beda OS as smart OS .. but anyway samsung is using the "Smart" word more that any other company.
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Have you seen the spec on the Bada OS phone? Cetainly seems like a smartphone to me!
But I agree with Brew and s40 not really counting - they're aimed at more budget phones.
Nevertheless do we need 6+ options?
samsung are making their own linux based os too
and nokia and intel are merging their linux based into 1 I read
wow you completely forgot blackberry the king of messaging i mean i know it actually sucks at web browsing but i mean when i start using my berry loads i type faster on that i can on my computer. i gotta say i do like iphone os and winmo. but i recon im gonna go android from now on i've used symbian it suck used blackberry and i hate the ui ( love the messaging and the intergration with facebook i mean us winmo guys get sent an email and have to reply to that but with blackberry the email comes thru but appears as a facebook notification in your messages if you open it it instantly opens the facebook app and takes you to that message photo or status) i like iphone just wish it was more customisable (dad has an iphone and loves everything except the fact you can't change stuff as easily such as battery light from the home screen) i'm using winmo and its bearable due to the fact that sense ui is amazing. but android is the way forward. but in response i feel we probably need about 4 each for diffrent people iphone for anyone android for anyone who hates apple (or realised its actually better than iphone) blackberry for people who need amazing messaging and winmo 7 for thoose windows fan boys
not sure if blackberry is big outside of America at least I never seen one in the country I live in
Rudegar said:
not sure if blackberry is big outside of America at least I never seen one in the country I live in
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Its not that big in the U.K you get the odd one or two, but there certainly not mass market. Although they have done a recent (ongoing) ad campaign on the TV.
But yeah, I completely forgot Blackberry OS.
Don't forget the new MeeGo OS too! What OS are Moto developing?
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What OS are Moto developing?
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Dont know, I think its only in its initial stages. Theres just been posts on various blogs about it. Not too sure weather or not its true.
Hadn't realized we had so many "sorta" working phone O/S'es out there. The company that makes an O/S that works bug-free out-of-the-box will cash in big. To steal a famous quote:
"One O/S to rule them all and in the darkness bind them."
What I'd like to see:
From Android:
Android Phone OS - Android basic OS for phones
AndroidMB - Android mobile business. Google needs to focus on the business market that doesn't strive for a hippie company that lets their entire staff come outside for the passing of Street View vehicles
From Apple:
iPhoneOS
MMB - Mac Mobile Business
From Microsoft
Windows Phone
Windows Mobile Business
I want a business phone that is as close as possible to a mobile computer. Not some interface that makes it fast for me to make a couple quick swipes with my finger to show someone a YouTube video. I understand that it's where the market is going, but there's a lot more contract money in business. Microsoft knows this. Everyone else needs to join the bandwagon. Microsoft can't forget this.
Rudegar said:
not sure if blackberry is big outside of America at least I never seen one in the country I live in
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well, in my country (Indonesia), blackberry selling is at the top level,
meanwhile, winMo phone is barely known here
dont forget hTC
yep its true..they are working on there own OS too...(to be revealed this year)
Ather said:
dont forget hTC
yep its true..they are working on there own OS too...(to be revealed this year)
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Wow. Just Wow. This will be huge!
Personally I find more choice is better. The more competition the better things are for the user in the end run, i.e. better technology, lower prices to name a few. Yes, it can be confusing on which to choose, but would you rather we all use the same device??? Didn't think so.
Also, not are new technologies make it, look at the mini-disc as one example of a technology which was supposed to take over from the CD, but were is it now??? The same applies to phone OS.....not all will make it, but the ideas behind these technologies will be incorporated into the ones which will succeed.....again only better for the end user
JM2C
Rick
A lot of progress is being made as android OS has now been ported to iphone 2g and 3g. Wondering if we could do the reverse on the Nexus? Now before I get flamed or whatever, its not that I want an Iphone or think its better, just like the choice is all....
http://gizmodo.com/5533312/iphone-3g-shown-running-android
iphone os isn't open source. and, a nexus one user, why the hell would want to install iphone os ?!?
call me selfish lol never used an iphone but thought it would be cool...smh ok was a thought, back to drolling over my nexus....
Wrong section, and the last comment is correct that iPhone OS isnt' open source so we'll never see it openly available. You should learn C++ and port it for us!
I agree
One of the things, the world doesn't need: an iphone os port for nexus one xD
applications
I think the best and only reason to have the iphone OS is to have so many different applications.
I wonder if there is a way to somehow boot up iphone applications on an android phone using some sort of compatibility mode? That would be ideal and give us the best of both worlds, a crazy amount of apps and android.
the prediction is 75,000-100,000 android apps by 2010. how many more apps do you need?
This iPhone isn't completely closed source. The kernel is open, and that's likely where most of the porting work would need to go anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
go ahead and dream, dont come crying to me when apple Legal dept rips off your head and funnels in feces from Jobs himself when you actually do port it
N31N said:
go ahead and dream, dont come crying to me when apple Legal dept rips off your head and funnels in feces from Jobs himself when you actually do port it
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Why would the OP come to you and cry? are you a lawyer?
porting another operating system to a machine that you personally own will not get you into trouble.
You can limit yourself upto only provide instructions on how to do this, and not by distributing the actual image in public, you will not get in trouble for it.
I am no lawyer but a paralegal in IP.
I would agree that this is infact a good project, and/or i would even dream of porting Winmo to have a triple boot in our (What google states as the Developers phone = Nexus one).
Don't get me wrong, Android is Awesome, but having more options is always better!
It is like a PC compared to a Playstation
In Playstation, you are limited to playing PS games.
In a PC, besides the PC games, you can also play different kind of PS, Gamecube, PS2, etc. emulators.
iphone apps
I guess the amount of iphone apps does not really apply to my desire to have a compatibility mode to run them. Just the types of apps. I'm a medical student and as the iphone has much more support on this front, I think it would be quite beneficial be able to run the apps that aren't ported over to android. I hope that things will change however and more medical applications will be made for android soon. It's just a matter of time really...
I don't want the entire iPhone OS because its stupid.. if someone could reveal their scrolling physics, it would be great....
din0_22 said:
Why would the OP come to you and cry? are you a lawyer?
porting another operating system to a machine that you personally own will not get you into trouble.
You can limit yourself upto only provide instructions on how to do this, and not by distributing the actual image in public, you will not get in trouble for it.
I am no lawyer but a paralegal in IP.
I would agree that this is infact a good project, and/or i would even dream of porting Winmo to have a triple boot in our (What google states as the Developers phone = Nexus one).
Don't get me wrong, Android is Awesome, but having more options is always better!
It is like a PC compared to a Playstation
In Playstation, you are limited to playing PS games.
In a PC, besides the PC games, you can also play different kind of PS, Gamecube, PS2, etc. emulators.
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Apples licensing agreements for their software stipulates that they only be run on specific hardware.
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Apples licensing agreements for their software stipulates that they only be run on specific hardware.
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Better yet, by law "Illegal Distributing of such" will be prosecuted and punishable by law.
as such, licensing agreement does not constitute unless it is being publicly distributed.
Although, realistically this port will never happen and if it will, i am not convinced that it will be very soon.
how about, FU*K the fruit maker, and do what ever we like..
only distribute an possible port in secret..?
But i really doubt this will ever happen, but an emulator or somthing similar for the apps would be NICE..
Doing so will be a giant backward step.
how about, FU*K the fruit maker, and do what ever we like..
only distribute an possible port in secret..?
But i really doubt this will ever happen, but an emulator or somthing similar for the apps would be NICE..
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how about, FU*K the fruit maker, and do what ever we like..
only distribute an possible port in secret..?
But i really doubt this will ever happen, but an emulator or somthing similar for the apps would be NICE..
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I totally agree.. I mean android market is getting bigger each day and getting more popular as verizon's advertisements for the android keeps getting better.
but, to be able to run iphone apps to our beloved nexus one will be a big achievement as there are still lots of iphone apps that i wish to be developed for Android as well, like my favorite Dakeno!
oh by the way this tapatalk app is amazing!
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Just because the Android Market is growing, that doesn't necessarily mean that anything is exactly getting better. Apple is still beating us in the game department, and due to their sponsors - they have apps that are like... important? Or, well, more useful to some..
I don't know if Android will ever reach that polished level the iPhone has, regarding to apps that is. I don't even play games really on my phone, if they looked up to par.. then maybe. Android is progressing, though.
Just developed a terrible rash on my taint after reading this thread. Great.
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Just because the Android Market is growing, that doesn't necessarily mean that anything is exactly getting better. Apple is still beating us in the game department, and due to their sponsors - they have apps that are like... important? Or, well, more useful to some..
I don't know if Android will ever reach that polished level the iPhone has, regarding to apps that is. I don't even play games really on my phone, if they looked up to par.. then maybe. Android is progressing, though.
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Your comparing an OS that is in its Third/Fourth Iteration to one that is in its Second. To say that iPhone OS 2.0 was fluid and completely polished would be a huge lie. Back then, it did not have the ridiculous catalog of apps that it does now, nor was it as fast as it is now. In time, when Android reaches 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, ect, you will see Android reach a level of polish that the iPhone OS has. Right now, Android is seeing a huge increase in market-share. With this will come developers. With developers, more quality apps will come. Android has the momentum to do it. I would believe that Android will become polished by the end of the year, possibly early next year based off of its growth and progression.
You know, Microsoft and HTC agreed to back each other up over HTC Windows/Android handsets (since they have been partners for a long time) over the Apple sh*tfight over the 21 stolen patents from the iPhone. In my personal opinion, I think Microsoft in a way is starting to realize that Android may be a interesting platform to tinker with.
Why am I saying this? Well, I've got a HTC Tattoo. And a HTC Snap. AzusaROM on one, 3VO WM6.5 ROM on the other. They both talk to each other and exchange 1s and 0s happily. I look at my HTC Snap, and Microsoft really made WM6.5 perform nicely.
Still, the Windows Phone platform (WinMo 6.x/WP7) may be on the verge of dying, but I think if Microsoft plays around with Android a tad, they could tap into a world of possibilities. ActiveSync for Android? Microsoft Office for Android? etc etc.
For example, let's say Microsoft takes a poke in Android, and builds a Windows UI for Android. Not that it would happen, let's just imagine it. It would be a Aero-like Windows Phone 7 UI running on top of a Android Kernel either provided by HTC or compiled by Microsoft themselves. You'd still have the Windows compatibility layer, but you could run Windows/Android apps natively. And have the sexy UI goodness that would deglamour the iPhone. Don't like the Aero UI? Press the "Disable" button and poof, you're back to the Nexus One Launcher.
I know I'm possibly dreaming or you think I've lost my marbles, but hey, just my two cents from my point of view.
Personally, Windows Mobile is horribly ugly to me. As is Symbian and all other mobile platforms. The ONLY one that ever caught my eye was Android. It's the first smart phone I've ever owned, next to a BlackBerry which isn't even really a smart phone in my book, just because it actually has a nice UI.
Android is just so.... slim and sleek. WinMo seems to bulky and compacted for me.
That's just thinking at it from the UI point. Can't really say what they would do with compatibilities. Honestly, can't rate too much on ANY features. Never owned a phone with Windows Mobile.
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Personally, Windows Mobile is horribly ugly to me.
Android is just so.... slim and sleek. WinMo seems to bulky and compacted for me.
That's just thinking at it from the UI point. Can't really say what they would do with compatibilities. Honestly, can't rate too much on ANY features. Never owned a phone with Windows Mobile.
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Ummm win mo is equally sleek and wasy if your talking in phone terms then Hd-2 is slimmer than your android phone
hell no, they will kill each other before first round
Sialis said:
google and microsoft cant cooperate
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REALLY!?!?!? I mean, REALLY?!?!?!?!?! Look at the date.
MS alreqdy make more money from android than they do from WP7 so they are well aware of the lucrative market available.
Thing is, if they were to release Office for android it would kill WP7 off as it would signal a lack of faith in their own mobile OS.
So we would either have to wait for MS to give up on the mobile OS game, or for WP7/8 to get enough of a market share that developing for android would cause no harm.
ROFL at the ancient bump... good job.
I'm gonna get flamed really bad for this but I think android should go smoothly with osx ( apple computers)
That'd a good combo IMO.
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I am confused on all of this and I have read all the threads on the HD7 here. In regards to both the HD7 and WP7 will there ever be the ability to have custom roms and be rooted? I'm still not sure what the chevron tool really even did besides make your phone have a free dev account and 3 party apps. I'm coming from the HD2 in which I changed roms on a daily basis and had multiple versions of android running. I'm just wondering if we will ever get to that level of modification with windows 7. Now mind you I have no interest running android on my HD7, thats not what this thread is about. If I did I would have bought the MT4G which my GF got when we did the buy one get one deal 2 weeks ago. I just wanna know if there is going to be real Dev support like there is with the HD2. Is the interest level there? I love WP7 however its just a little to bland, but with a few visual mods it would be the most amazing UI ever and Im not talking about missing features. I'm talking about eye candy. Am I off base? I am I missing the point of WP7? I dont know I just want some feedback on all of this.
Thanks for the replies!!
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Thanks for the replies!!
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It will take a real long time ( maybe years ) because it is a brand new os and closed ,so everything has to be reverse engineered and that will take long when there are even dev's that are willing to put in the time .
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Here is one reply :
It will take a real long time ( maybe years ) because it is a brand new os and closed ,so everything has to be reverse engineered and that will take long when there are even dev's that are willing to put in the time .
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Hi, I thought it was Microsoft's intention to set a standard - what they did regarding restrictions of the hardware (Screen resolution, keys,...). This should give some similar standard as Apple did with the iPhone, but I had to learn, that the OS itself is customized by every provider (omitting languages, ...).
I really hoped windows phone might be similar to Win7 for PC - getting updates, optional updates, add-ons directly from microsoft and applications programmed by third parties (Marketplace). But how shall updates of the OS by Microsoft work, if not installable on the phones as those updates needs to be customized by the provider?
Nice approach to get a stable and equal OS (don't bother being controlled by Microsoft - that case you should get another phone - my two cents), but that case the OS on the phone must be by Microsoft themselves, not T-Mobile, O2, vodafone, ....
Carlhermann
C.Schlehaus said:
Hi, I thought it was Microsoft's intention to set a standard - what they did regarding restrictions of the hardware (Screen resolution, keys,...). This should give some similar standard as Apple did with the iPhone, but I had to learn, that the OS itself is customized by every provider (omitting languages, ...).
I really hoped windows phone might be similar to Win7 for PC - getting updates, optional updates, add-ons directly from microsoft and applications programmed by third parties (Marketplace). But how shall updates of the OS by Microsoft work, if not installable on the phones as those updates needs to be customized by the provider?
Nice approach to get a stable and equal OS (don't bother being controlled by Microsoft - that case you should get another phone - my two cents), but that case the OS on the phone must be by Microsoft themselves, not T-Mobile, O2, vodafone, ....
Carlhermann
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Well exactly...I mean the iphone was jailbroken very shorly after being released. I was an ex iphone user as well and ran jailbroken very early on. I'm just wondering if the Interest Level is there? I mean the iphone was worked on by some greats like geohot and others. I guess im saying with WP7 getting written off early on by a lot of people (i believe in the os) will devs even give it a shot?
stillbrad said:
Well exactly...I mean the iphone was jailbroken very shorly after being released. I was an ex iphone user as well and ran jailbroken very early on. I'm just wondering if the Interest Level is there? I mean the iphone was worked on by some greats like geohot and others. I guess im saying with WP7 getting written off early on by a lot of people (i believe in the os) will devs even give it a shot?
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wp7 will be jailbroken real fast i think ( it is already jailbroken but no one really know how to make native code work on wp7)
custom rom's is something totally different ( I belief that there aren't any custom rom's on ios)
there is a history on custom rom's for WM for years (wm4-wm6.5) but WP7 is totally different and everyone has to start all over (reverse engineering) and that will take long .
C.Schlehaus said:
Hi, I thought it was Microsoft's intention to set a standard - what they did regarding restrictions of the hardware (Screen resolution, keys,...). This should give some similar standard as Apple did with the iPhone, but I had to learn, that the OS itself is customized by every provider (omitting languages, ...).
I really hoped windows phone might be similar to Win7 for PC - getting updates, optional updates, add-ons directly from microsoft and applications programmed by third parties (Marketplace). But how shall updates of the OS by Microsoft work, if not installable on the phones as those updates needs to be customized by the provider?
Nice approach to get a stable and equal OS (don't bother being controlled by Microsoft - that case you should get another phone - my two cents), but that case the OS on the phone must be by Microsoft themselves, not T-Mobile, O2, vodafone, ....
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I don't think you understand. The carriers are not allowed to touch the core OS, they are allowed to add their apps and edit a couple of things (like t-mobile making google the search in IE), but overall, OEMs and carriers can't do much with the OS itself, everything they do has to be done through apps.
stillbrad said:
Well exactly...I mean the iphone was jailbroken very shorly after being released. I was an ex iphone user as well and ran jailbroken very early on. I'm just wondering if the Interest Level is there? I mean the iphone was worked on by some greats like geohot and others. I guess im saying with WP7 getting written off early on by a lot of people (i believe in the os) will devs even give it a shot?
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I know the iphone is jailbroken, but are there really, full bore custom ROMs for it?
I worry that with jailbreaking, you get a host of other problems, like bugs and a laggy OS.
For me, I am happy with it as is for now and am curious to see where it goes.
Well, the team behind the WP7 unlocking/sideloading hack ChevronWP7 are currently talking to Microsoft about the openness of WP7. Right now, no one know's what's going to happen, besides that WP7 will eventually be completely unlocked and customizable with roms at some point in time. My hope is that the Chevron team can talk Microsoft into officially supporting homebrew. I understand that thats a far fetched dream, but it makes sense because tweaking and modding are the only reasons most people used winmo after 2007 or 2008; and Android has exploded since they began rooting devices.
why shouldn't Microsoft use us as alpha/beta testers? that and anything awesome we develop they can basically steal from us. Seems like a win-win for Microsoft
sprinttouch666 said:
Well, the team behind the WP7 unlocking/sideloading hack ChevronWP7 are currently talking to Microsoft about the openness of WP7. Right now, no one know's what's going to happen, besides that WP7 will eventually be completely unlocked and customizable with roms at some point in time. My hope is that the Chevron team can talk Microsoft into officially supporting homebrew. I understand that thats a far fetched dream, but it makes sense because tweaking and modding are the only reasons most people used winmo after 2007 or 2008; and Android has exploded since they began rooting devices.
why shouldn't Microsoft use us as alpha/beta testers? that and anything awesome we develop they can basically steal from us. Seems like a win-win for Microsoft
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why is everyone so sure you will ever get a custom ROM on wp7?
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why is everyone so sure you will ever get a custom ROM on wp7?
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That's what I wanna know. My hope is the interest level that there is in WM will soon be there for WP7. I'm sure there is much room for improvement that only a custom rom and a chef from xda can produce.