Hello;
I read about the new rooting method without unlocking the phone and it's very interesting to me
my question is, after i root my phone this way, is it a must to flash another recovery ? or can i just root the phone and leave everything as it is(Stock Rom and Recovery)
i am running FRF83 now and the phone is completely stock,only OTA updates
i want to root to flash updates regarding Arabic support only and still can install official OTA
please help because i don't understand the Rooting idea and it's benefit
regards
Sigh, I guess no one under stands what android DEVELOPMENT means, mods please move to correct section.
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here they are talking about Root in other threads, inside the Development Forum
i think i posted in the right place
and you may have helped instead of asking to move it
From my understanding its not a must to install another recovery such as the RA one that was referenced. You can leave it with the stock ROM and you should be able to flash one with Arabic support. Bit from my understanojy as well you wont be able to get the OTA updates.
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people say you may receive or manually install Official OTA with stock recovery if the device is still locked and rooted via the new rooting method
and this is what i want to make sure of
thanks for your reply
Moved as not Android Development.
obadvw said:
people say you may receive or manually install Official OTA with stock recovery if the device is still locked and rooted via the new rooting method
and this is what i want to make sure of
thanks for your reply
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You would do yourself a better service by searching and looking in the "sticky" threads above, in the correct section, instead of expecting people to answer you when you post in incorrect one. And it's excellent that they don't answer there, this makes people learn not to do it again.
To your question: the only prerequisite for installing official updates / OTA is having a stock recovery. Both with unlocked bootloader and with "barely working" method stock recovery can be flashed in place, allowing updates. The only question is - why would anyone need it, having the update file here before 90% of the users get "OTA waiting" notifications every time.
You can learn, what rooting means and what it's needed for, if you read "stickies" and look around this forum a bit. It's a question asked by almost everyone.
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BEFORE you judge me lol : I'm a new android user, and I've searched and read through the forum and FAQs alike.
Sorry if this is already answered. I've tried the search and read through the FAQs already but there's so much information my head will just explode from it.
Also I'm a fresh android user (just switched over from the iPhone, yay?). I was a very enthusiastic jailbreaker for the iPhone when I was still using that device. Hence my enthusiasm for all things "hackable" for the Android device as well.
All my blabbering aside, I'm just wondering this.
When the Froyo update hits the i9000, your root and everything with it(custom firmwares and stuff?) will be "broken" and be restore as the "stock" Froyo firmware/build right?
Am I even making sense to anyone?
for new firmware, you have to flash it, and so, everything will loss, storage in your internal and external SD will remain but all you app, mod, messages, call log, contact, etc will be lost
like you've partition your home PC with app data saved in C drive and all other documents in D drive, when you reinstall your OS, you wipe off your C and install it again and everything in D should remain (if you do it the right way )
correct me if i am wrong
We won't know for sure, but the way HTC handles Froyo updates, there is no data loss.
But to reply OP, yes, root will most probably be lost. But ability to flash custom firmware should still be available. Afterall, in the first place we don't even need root to flash custom firmwares in the first place, at least on the SGS.
kenkiller said:
We won't know for sure, but the way HTC handles Froyo updates, there is no data loss.
But to reply OP, yes, root will most probably be lost. But ability to flash custom firmware should still be available. Afterall, in the first place we don't even need root to flash custom firmwares in the first place, at least on the SGS.
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So this does mean that we will be able to get the froyo update through kies even though we are running rooted custom ROM?
alright thanks for the speedy reply and clarification. i have a lot of new terms i'll need to learn for the android now. lol.
sorry, OP, are you talking about an official Samsung firmware update using kies or the one using odin3?
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nickporwal said:
So this does mean that we will be able to get the froyo update through kies even though we are running rooted custom ROM?
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Most probably not. You might have to return to stock firmware to get any updates from Kies.
But what's the point? The Froyo firmware will be available in the Odin form certainly.
chluk2425 said:
sorry, OP, are you talking about an official Samsung firmware update using kies or the one using odin3?
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i think the stock official firmware update. i'm also afraid that flashing a new OS for my current 2.1 will screw up any local settings. i need to do more research about this whole flashing, rooting thing...
shall spare you guys my questions. lol.
ironic from my previous post, i'll just like to ask one simple question.
since i'm a totally new android user, i should just wait for the OFFICIAL Froyo for the SGSi9000, update it and wait for some modified version of the OS, and i'll flash it over for a speedier, more accessable phone?
(i've read the FAQ a thousand times lol.)
Adevem said:
ironic from my previous post, i'll just like to ask one simple question.
since i'm a totally new android user, i should just wait for the OFFICIAL Froyo for the SGSi9000, update it and wait for some modified version of the OS, and i'll flash it over for a speedier, more accessable phone?
(i've read the FAQ a thousand times lol.)
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the official one is somewhat released near September as i remember... so you have to wait till that time to do it.... i know nothing about flashing using Kies since I am a new user to android as well
but what i am thinking is: either you flash the current firmware (JP3, JP2, etc) using Odin3 or the official firmware using the Kies, the chance is if you brick your phone, samsung will also not responsible for it, so... unless you take your phone to the customer service, you are still risking
well you definitely know more than me lol thanks for the information folks. imma root my phone, don't think there's any risk ye. wish me luck lol.
I am gonna necro this thread since I am an absolute idiot.
It took me a few days just to understand that root is not the SAME as flashing. Finally got that through my head. Hence I can keep my stock JG4 firmware while having root.
But what happens when Froyo comes along. As someone already said, we are going to lose root if we update via KIES. Then what? Do we just use the One Click Root to root our phone again? (Right now I haven't found a reason to flash to a custom ROM yet.)
I am asking this since I am sick of losing all my data in my phone every time I have to upgrade my firmware, but if I can't root my phone afterwards, titanium backup won't work.
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I am asking this since I am sick of losing all my data in my phone every time I have to upgrade my firmware, but if I can't root my phone afterwards, titanium backup won't work.
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as backup tool I use MyBackup Pro (paid app). it backups all (SMS, MMS, Call Logs, Settings ...) and your Apps too.
good stuff.
Hi. I have what seems like a rooted nexus one and I've been getting notifications for 2.2.1 update but keeps aborting when I attempt to. I don't care so much about this upgrade as I'm waiting for the gingerbread but would this problem also continue when gingerbread OTA appears?
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Yes. If you want to receive OTA - you need to restore to stock recovery.
I barely got my N1 yesterday I didn't feel like been stuck in a 2 year plan for the nexus s I didn't think it was worth it. Any how Any tips on what should I do to my Nexus 1? is it worth rooting it and also I been looking for a carbon fiber case but can't find one
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If you update to a more recent version of custom ROM they have edited it to prevent the OTA notifications. If you can live with it for now then just update to a custom Gingerbread ROM you will be good to go. Otherwise I agree you have to restore to stock recovery.
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Yes. If you want to receive OTA - you need to restore to stock recovery.
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thanks. How do I restore to stock recovery?
I wouldn't normally disagree with Jack, but if you have a stock ROM, I would say that if you can look in your cache folder on the phone and find the update zip. Move the update to SD, and then flash through your custom recovery.
Depending on which recovery you have you may have to toggle signature verification...
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Thanks danger-rat. I am very new to the smart phone world and to be quite honest with you not very savy when comes to tech related stuff. I came across this phone from craigslist which apparently is a dev edition phone and the only thing I know regarding this phone is build number frf91 kernel 2.6.32.9-27227-g3c98b0d android [email protected]#1.
The only thing I want to do is able to upgrade my phone OTA when it comes available.
Please provide detailed explanation if you don't mind as to how to do just that.
Thanks in advance
Lots of reading to do before you decide on anything.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_One
After researching, I believe my nexus is actually not rooted because I don't see any padlock when rebooting my phone so I'm wandering why when I do get the notification for update 2.2.1 it keeps aborting.....?
Padlock denotes an unlocked bootloader, which doesn't mean you are our aren't rooted, it just means you have more options to install your OS.
Rooting can be checked by opening terminal emulator apps, and typing "su" - if the prompt changes from $ to #, then you're rooted(i.e. You have root access to the file system).
Update requires stock recovery to update automatically, but you can install manually with a custom recovery.
If you really want just stock, the easiest way is to follow the unroot/restore guide in the wiki, but you will lose your data and settings...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wik...des_&_Tutorials#Unroot_.2F_Restore_your_Nexus
If you want to keep your data, I can post other options...
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Thanks. I'll try it.
Hello all
I have had my nexus one for quite a while now and when i bought it the bootloader had already been unlocked, but it had not been rooted yet. The problem I am having is the lack of space the nexus one has for installing apps as apps2sd is dependent on the developers.
So after some research i have found an app called 'ModInstallLocation' which tells me i can install apps to my sd card but it needs the phone to be rooted. Is this correct?
This is where i need some help. I hear all this talk about rooted phones and custom roms and i understand the idea behind it but have no technical knowledge to do this.
At this time i am happy with the stock version of android i have on my nexus (2.2.2 FRG83G) its just the lack of space i have to install apps that's forcing me down this road. I am sure there are many other advantages to rooting and i hope to discover them in time.
Could someone please give a helping hand and point me in the right direction for an idiots guide. I am a bit scared of bricking my phone tho, never endeavored on anything like this before.
Many thanks
JW
Read my signature.
thanks you for your response, think that explains how to proceed.
couple more questions if you could help.
1. Do i have to install a custom rom after i root?
2. As i have not got much experiance in this field should i wait for the OTA update to gingerbread before i root?
many thanks
JW
1. No, if you're ok with stock ROM - you can stay with it.
2. Not really, depends mostly on what you're looking for. Gingerbread will still land on your phone (and unroot you), as long as you're using stock ROM and recovery.
Hi there, i bought recently Nexus One. As I discovered it is Vodafone version of N1. So as You guys know im stuck on Android 2.2.1. I would like to go stright to Gingerbread or CM7. And here is my question. (i know i could serch the forums for answers but many can be outdated or i just dont understand something). You guys are pro's so you will find solution for me maybe in seconds, where i will be serching this for hours.
Ok, questions:
- Can i root my phone using a oneclick? (If i will go fot CM7)
- If i would like to go for offical, stock updates, can i use PASSIMG method from wiki? So then i shuld just download downgrade (FRG33 as i remeber) and, step by step upgrade it to gingerbread, or i must do something before it ?(like downgrading to shipping version, mentioned at wiki before passimg method, im a bit confused). Will i get updates then from google and i wil be mo longer depended to Vodafone?
I will be grateful if You will answer my questions or just dp some quick guide. And sorry for my horrible grammar.
Yes, I also bought a Nexus One with a non standard ROM. Like you said you can use the PASSIMG method to downgrade to a stock froyo ROM (i.e. FRG33) and you will be able to then upgrade OTA stait to 2.3.4.
Best to do some research so that you understand all the ins and outs. Check the wiki.
As Dirk said, the best place to start doing your research is on the WiKi. After you have enough information to ask more specific and focused questions, then we will be able to help you a bit better.
PS. I would recommend just using the standard fastboot OEM unlock method of device unlocking and something better than stock such as CyanogenMod since you're new to the phone. You won't be able to relock the bootloader, but if you're not returning it, that's not an issue.
The answers are:
- Yes.
- Yes, no, yes.
Hello everyone,
First of all, I am really sorry if this is a double post ( It probably is). I have honestly tried to search a response in already existing posts and I have found that some people seem to have experienced similar issues. However, being a total newbie in development, not really understanding the whole logical structure, I was unable to efficiently transfer existing responses to my problem. Thus, if somewhere exactly the same problem was already discussed I would be glad to read the thread. In opposite, similar threads will probably not help such an ignorant as I am.
That's said, here is the problem :
I have a HTC incredible S with the following status :
Alpharev
VIVO PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.09.1000
RADIO-38.02.01.11_M
eMMC - boot
february 11 2011.....
Android 2.2.1
As the pro's have already understood I have used the Alpharev method to switch my phone into "S-OFF" and root it around a year ago. As far as I remember I haven't done anything more. If I'm using the words right, no flash of recovery partition or anything of this kind. The phone is all right - no major issues.
Recently I have tried to update the phone, finally accepting the suggestion which was annoying me for several months. I have just accepted the update to Android 2.3 using OTA (I hope to use this right, I mean that the phone had downloaded the update itself, without pc or anything else).
Unfortunately the update failed ( blocked with a black background, the phone in the middle and a red triangle on the top right corner of the phone). After waiting for a very long time, I have removed the battery and put it back - everything is ok. (no update off course)
So the questions :
1. Is it theoretically possible to use official updates while being rooted? I don't really have time to play with different ROMs, an official ROM with root access is enough for me.
1.1 If yes, how?
2. If no, can I unroot it, update it and root it again in order to have the last official update with root?
2.1 If no, I suppose that I have to use "Custom ROMs". Could you please give me a link with the most up to date method to install Custom ROMS and may be an advice of a really STABLE one?
3. What options I haven't thought about?
Once again, I understand that all this was for sure already discussed, but I was probably unable to understand it.
Thanks a lot for all future responses!
SuperTraxer said:
Hello everyone,
First of all, I am really sorry if this is a double post ( It probably is). I have honestly tried to search a response in already existing posts and I have found that some people seem to have experienced similar issues. However, being a total newbie in development, not really understanding the whole logical structure, I was unable to efficiently transfer existing responses to my problem. Thus, if somewhere exactly the same problem was already discussed I would be glad to read the thread. In opposite, similar threads will probably not help such an ignorant as I am.
That's said, here is the problem :
I have a HTC incredible S with the following status :
Alpharev
VIVO PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.09.1000
RADIO-38.02.01.11_M
eMMC - boot
february 11 2011.....
Android 2.2.1
As the pro's have already understood I have used the Alpharev method to switch my phone into "S-OFF" and root it around a year ago. As far as I remember I haven't done anything more. If I'm using the words right, no flash of recovery partition or anything of this kind. The phone is all right - no major issues.
Recently I have tried to update the phone, finally accepting the suggestion which was annoying me for several months. I have just accepted the update to Android 2.3 using OTA (I hope to use this right, I mean that the phone had downloaded the update itself, without pc or anything else).
Unfortunately the update failed ( blocked with a black background, the phone in the middle and a red triangle on the top right corner of the phone). After waiting for a very long time, I have removed the battery and put it back - everything is ok. (no update off course)
So the questions :
1. Is it theoretically possible to use official updates while being rooted? I don't really have time to play with different ROMs, an official ROM with root access is enough for me.
1.1 If yes, how?
2. If no, can I unroot it, update it and root it again in order to have the last official update with root?
2.1 If no, I suppose that I have to use "Custom ROMs". Could you please give me a link with the most up to date method to install Custom ROMS and may be an advice of a really STABLE one?
3. What options I haven't thought about?
Once again, I understand that all this was for sure already discussed, but I was probably unable to understand it.
Thanks a lot for all future responses!
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The AlphaRevX S-OFF HBOOT is preventing the OTA from getting applied successfully.
You are better off keeping S-OFF and using custom ROMs. You just need to install a custom recovery such as 4EXT Touch or ClockworkMod in order to flash custom Roms.
Thanks,
so:
1.NO
1.1 N/A
2 Probably yes, but inefficient/difficult
2.1 That's the way to go.
That's said, the phone is S-OFF, Rooted, and now I need to install custom recovery... hmmmm, where can i learn more about? Which one do you advice?
Thank you!
One more, not directly related.
Is it better to keep the current version of alpharev and hboot or is it better and possible to somehow update those parameters before installing the custom recovery?
SuperTraxer said:
One more, not directly related.
Is it better to keep the current version of alpharev and hboot or is it better and possible to somehow update those parameters before installing the custom recovery?
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I personally like 4EXT Touch recovery. It should be available in the Android Market/PlayStore or you can check out the link in my signature.
As for the AlphaRevX HBOOT, I would just keep it installed.
tpbklake said:
I personally like 4EXT Touch recovery. It should be available in the Android Market/PlayStore or you can check out the link in my signature.
As for the AlphaRevX HBOOT, I would just keep it installed.
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Thank you very much! Have just installed this! Will now try with ROMs! Thank you
SuperTraxer said:
Thank you very much! Have just installed this! Will now try with ROMs! Thank you
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If you're looking for a good custom rom with the latest everything, try Venom ViperVIVO