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on the fence about buying...

any peopple coming from android in here? !
well, could you push me one way or the other please?
so basically, convince me to buy a hd7.

Recent phones, Nexus one, G2, captivate.
I've been diehard android since the G1 but when I saw this UI I melted just a little bit.
I will tell you the only thing I dislike so far is the current lack of app support which can only get better with time. The UI may have been marketed as something that you could pick up glance at and then put down but I find myself on it just as much as I did my g2. This phone has the ability to change the face of phones if Microsoft has the backing (how could they not) Jump on the bandwagon while there's still room, it's more than worth it.

My last phone was a Desire, WP7 and the HD7 blow Android away IMO, there are some limitations currently but updates will hopefully eliminate them within a few months. Research carefully before you jump, but my recommendation would be to go for it

Last 4 phones;Apple iPhone, Sprint HTC Hero, Nexus one, HTC EVO
Personally there is one thing that I love about WP7 that I could not get on any android device; consistency. Android is nice and all but it felt very disjointed and thrown together. Sure there are a ton of apps but so many lack polish. Please do not get me wrong Android is nice and very capable but it always felt sloppy to use.
In my experience every android phone that I have ever owned sucked on battery besides the nexus one. The hero was dead before I knew it and the EVO is just pathetic as far as battery goes. I don't what the deal is but the Android OS doesn't seem optimized as far as battery goes.
Not gonna beat a dead horse but as everyone here knows; android fragmentation is a problem. Slowly getting better mind you. Every android phone that I have purchased was running an older version of the OS at the time of purchase.(besides the nexus)
Lastly I felt that I had to root and tinker with my android phone just to get it to a point where I was satisfied with it.
Keep in mind this is merely my personal opinion and experience, others mileage may vary.

adesonic said:
My last phone was a Desire, WP7 and the HD7 blow Android away IMO, there are some limitations currently but updates will hopefully eliminate them within a few months. Research carefully before you jump, but my recommendation would be to go for it
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ive done TOO much research. i swear im dead serious, at least 10 hours of hard research this week.

bernaserra said:
Last 4 phones;Apple iPhone, Sprint HTC Hero, Nexus one, HTC EVO
Personally there is one thing that I love about WP7 that I could not get on any android device; consistency. Android is nice and all but it felt very disjointed and thrown together. Sure there are a ton of apps but so many lack polish. Please do not get me wrong Android is nice and very capable but it always felt sloppy to use.
In my experience every android phone that I have ever owned sucked on battery besides the nexus one. The hero was dead before I knew it and the EVO is just pathetic as far as battery goes. I don't what the deal is but the Android OS doesn't seem optimized as far as battery goes.
Not gonna beat a dead horse but as everyone here knows; android fragmentation is a problem. Slowly getting better mind you. Every android phone that I have purchased was running an older version of the OS at the time of purchase.(besides the nexus)
Lastly I felt that I had to root and tinker with my android phone just to get it to a point where I was satisfied with it.
Keep in mind this is merely my personal opinion and experience, others mileage may vary.
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agree completely. the hardware is really dissapointing though. ill definitely be wedded for two years, annd i think 3.5G (i refuse to call hspa+ 4g) will be commonplace byy then.

I was an Android Girl for life..Loved Android and still do...
But now I am a Windows Phone 7 Diva lol
.Idk if you are familiar with phandroid.com and their forums androidforums.com but for the most part they are a good community but extremely biased towards android lol....
So if you have questions about a particular phone, check em out.
My last 4 phones were a: Mytouch 4g, Samsung Captivate, Sony Xperia X10, and Droid X.
Honestly, I will say Android is a great OS. However when buying an Android phone you have to be careful which phone your going to buy.
All the Samsung Galaxy US Variations are still stuck on 2.1 despite being on the market for like 6 months now(and Android 2.3 has been released) making it 2 OS generations behind. Now Android 2.3 is brand spanking new but those phones probably won't be saying that till Spring 2011
Phones like the EVO, Incredible, Most Droids, G2, and mytouch all have 2.2 but again you might not see the current OS(2.3) by Spring 2011 which means by then a brand new OS will be out for it.
However, with windows phone 7. All phones have the same General requirements guaranteeing updates to all devices around the same time.
The User Experience on Android is decent but you have to learn how each specific UI works...Blur, Sense, Stock, Timescape, Touchwiz...Some add functionality and enhance android while removing or not playing nicely with Android.
On Wp7, it is the same general User Experience. I can pick up a Samsung Focus and play with it and understand it the same as my HD7.
If I pick up a Mytouch 4g after having a Droid X, i have to learn..Can't do this like i used to...Or darn, that feature is gone.
I can go on and on.
I say come on over to Windows Phone 7
but if you chose Android I'd recommend any Droid from Verizon and the mytouch 4g for tmobile

carmeng4evr said:
I was an Android Girl for life..Loved Android and still do...
But now I am a Windows Phone 7 Diva lol
.Idk if you are familiar with phandroid.com and their forums androidforums.com but for the most part they are a good community but extremely biased towards android lol....
So if you have questions about a particular phone, check em out.
My last 4 phones were a: Mytouch 4g, Samsung Captivate, Sony Xperia X10, and Droid X.
Honestly, I will say Android is a great OS. However when buying an Android phone you have to be careful which phone your going to buy.
All the Samsung Galaxy US Variations are still stuck on 2.1 despite being on the market for like 6 months now(and Android 2.3 has been released) making it 2 OS generations behind. Now Android 2.3 is brand spanking new but those phones probably won't be saying that till Spring 2011
Phones like the EVO, Incredible, Most Droids, G2, and mytouch all have 2.2 but again you might not see the current OS(2.3) by Spring 2011 which means by then a brand new OS will be out for it.
However, with windows phone 7. All phones have the same General requirements guaranteeing updates to all devices around the same time.
The User Experience on Android is decent but you have to learn how each specific UI works...Blur, Sense, Stock, Timescape, Touchwiz...Some add functionality and enhance android while removing or not playing nicely with Android.
On Wp7, it is the same general User Experience. I can pick up a Samsung Focus and play with it and understand it the same as my HD7.
If I pick up a Mytouch 4g after having a Droid X, i have to learn..Can't do this like i used to...Or darn, that feature is gone.
I can go on and on.
I say come on over to Windows Phone 7
but if you chose Android I'd recommend any Droid from Verizon and the mytouch 4g for tmobile
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i know, but im wondering about the hardware. frankly, it sucks...

I wouldn't say it sucks per say.
I mean is the HD7 the best hardware i've owned? No
However given the actual software's pluses, it makes it
less of an issue....
I'd say my top 5 devices for hardware from 2009-2010
1)Sony Xperia X10--even with that low speaker, it is a sexy device
2)Droid Incredible
3)Samsung Captivate-Pretty
4)HTC evo/HD7- Basically the same device
5)Iphone 4
I've owned quite a few more but these are my top 5 from best to average
There is always the venue pro that comes out in a few days to consider.
But i dont think the HD7 hardware is that bad...the worse part is the camera...Usable but not the best

i agree, the sony xperia is onee sexyy device. xD

evo= +ffc
+8mp.

Xperia x10 is terrible glass and poorly framed
Evo is just a terrible carrier... And nothing should run sense.
Motorola is all crap materials
Captivate CPU is easily overrun then you have a pricy paperweight
IPhones just have the most terrible os ever made.

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i know, but im wondering about the hardware. frankly, it sucks...
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LMAO. how does the hardware on this phone suck exactly? 1Ghz processor with 576 MB RAM and 512 MB ROM, 5MP cam with 720p recording and 16GB of storage isn't enough for you?

eternalemb said:
LMAO. how does the hardware on this phone suck exactly? 1Ghz processor with 576 MB RAM and 512 MB ROM, 5MP cam with 720p recording and 16GB of storage isn't enough for you?
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actually, in a phone i'm definitely gonna have for the next two years, i'd rather have a second gen snap and 768MB ram.

z33dev33l said:
Xperia x10 is terrible glass and poorly framed
Evo is just a terrible carrier... And nothing should run sense.
Motorola is all crap materials
Captivate CPU is easily overrun then you have a pricy paperweight
IPhones just have the most terrible os ever made.
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your post is highly opinionated.
1)evo" [sprint] is a terrible carrier. =opinion.
2)Nothing should run sense. =opinion.
3)Motorola is all crap materials. =my girlfriend has a motorola charm. she dropped that thing from my upstairs onto hardwood, and it still works, no major scratches.
4)Captivate CPU is easily overrun then you have a pricy paperweight. =I've never owned a galaxy S variant, so i cant comment.
5)iPhones just have the most terrible os ever made. =if thats not an opinion, albert einstein was part of Hell's Angels.
6) XPERIA poor glass= never owned one.
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actually, in a phone i'm definitely gonna have for the next two years, i'd rather have a second gen snap and 768MB ram.
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That's pretty ridiculous and over-reaching of you. What you can do then, is wait around for whenever a phone comes out with those specs or create your own franken-phone. The specs on phones right now are fine; they're smartphones, not laptops or tablets. If you're looking to get a phone with a dual core processor and 1GB RAM I think you'll be waiting a good while, so have fun In the meantime, I'll enjoy my HD7 now and in about 2 years when phones with those specs (or better) are available and the kinks have been worked out, I'll upgrade.

I have had a Hero and actually wanted to for desire HD but due to stock issues just decided to go for the Hd 7
I Just love it...
THe Main Point to note is - Microsoft has taken the best of both apple and android and turned it into WM7
I do agree that its a bit early for WM7 but I am sure with updates and more apps in the market we will be rocking by next year.
I definetly would recommend WM7
and I personally love the big screen of the HD 7. dont feel like using my computer anymore

eternalemb said:
That's pretty ridiculous and over-reaching of you. What you can do then, is wait around for whenever a phone comes out with those specs or create your own franken-phone. The specs on phones right now are fine; they're smartphones, not laptops or tablets. If you're looking to get a phone with a dual core processor and 1GB RAM I think you'll be waiting a good while, so have fun In the meantime, I'll enjoy my HD7 now and in about 2 years when phones with those specs (or better) are available and the kinks have been worked out, I'll upgrade.
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it's called a myTouch 4G.......

tfn said:
I have had a Hero and actually wanted to for desire HD but due to stock issues just decided to go for the Hd 7
I Just love it...
THe Main Point to note is - Microsoft has taken the best of both apple and android and turned it into WM7
I do agree that its a bit early for WM7 but I am sure with updates and more apps in the market we will be rocking by next year.
I definetly would recommend WM7
and I personally love the big screen of the HD 7. dont feel like using my computer anymore
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thanks!
BTW, its WP7, because they "reinvented and thoroughly refreshed their hardware and software from previous generations. " they dont want people to think its windows mobile all over again.
But, imagine if you lose your phone. most self respecting android geeks have wheres my droid on their phone. if you ever lose your phone, you send a text to it with your codeword, and it rings, and the screen turns into your contact info. You put in a password, and it shuts up. Because, its open source, and apps have access to everything they need. That's the best part of android, IMO.

rockstarar said:
actually, in a phone i'm definitely gonna have for the next two years, i'd rather have a second gen snap and 768MB ram.
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Let's put it this way, with WP7 ridiculous specs are not required. The phone in terms of speed runs rings around my old Vibrant, and the Vibrant has arguably better hardware(better GPU) The OS itself is hardware accelerated, Android can't attest to that so they need raw power to get the OS to acceptable speed levels.
Not to mention the hardware drivers are made by the OS manufacturer which means everything's a bit more tightly integrated and made with each other in mind.
Go play with one and see what I mean.

After over 5 years of dedication I'm beginning to lose faith in HTC...

First of all I'd like to say HTC has been great to me... They were always the best about upgrading whatever software was on the phones, they've always been great tech support and up until recently their phones were always revolutionary but now... I mean it's like they're releasing the same 5 phones over and over with a different processor or camera and acting as though it's something innovative. Where a lot of companies are moving forward in design they've been at a standstill since the release of the Nexus One. I know "The pyramid is going to be so great" or something like that but really it looks like an HD7/Evo/HD2 with a better processor... I just don't get the appeal anymore. Even Kyocera is coming out with more interesting devices and that's just depressing. What happened to when HTC's phone lineups had interesting phones? What's the most interesting they have as of late? The surround? Someone at HTC please bring them back to their roots because their new models are just repetitive and dull...

yes, they may be bringing similar phones, but they are all still different. They pretty much got a variation of the evo, all with 4g capabilities, and similar on every carrier for android, and then a lesser version with only 3g on every carrier. i dont pay much attention to windows phones though. but there are rumors of an HTC tablet coming up, maybe that's where all there innovation is going to? just use the rest to keep the money coming in ATM? either way, im more than satisfied with upgraded to my evo from the samsung instinct.

Where else are you going to go? Motorola has their **** on lockdown and believe me, you do not want to enter the Samsung deathtrap.
I will never buy anything but HTC again.

Eh I didn't go Android this time so I'm happy with Samsung Dell and LG in terms of wp7 and can't wait for nokias. I got tired of the fragmentation too

So what do you going to use now after HTC ?
are you apply to samsung developers ?

Yea, I think they felt superior and now they are letting their product go down for sure.

samsung's good. the epic wasn't, but my past two phones i got with them were good (a dumb phone, and a smart phone) and almost never glitched. my parents had the epic for two weeks, and had everything foreclosing, and bad service. i say you go on ATT get the atrix when it comes out for android. motorola's getting good stuff, and android rocks. but i heard W7 is getting pretty good. picking good phone's these days is a pain in the *ss. btw im new, are we allowed to cuss?

Nokia and Motorola are where its at... thats the only hardware id consider atm.

That long huh
It took you five yrs. huh. After my first HTC phone I was done with them. I will only buy one of their phones if they're the only manufacturer my service provider is carrying WM7 on. Hopefully Sprint will carry more handsets. I would hate to get one of those subpar phones again. I never understood what everyone thinks is so great about HTC.

I still firmly believe that they havent really release an HD2/EVO successor, and by that, I mean creating such a magnitude that it ripples throughout the entire mobile market. Maybe they're enjoying their new-found earnings, but I hope they get to work on something truly spectacular that the world havent seen. We still have MWC and CTIA to go.

z33dev33l said:
...can't wait for nokias.
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Only an American...
Here in the rest of the world, we've seen over the past few years just how far Nokia has sunk.
Their handsets are nowhere near the standard of Samsung and HTC and MS were fools to risk the support of superior OEM partners to woo them.
Nokia haven't been on top since the N95 and apart from the top two or three models in their range, most of what they have on the market is crap.
And that's not to say the top models are all that good, they're nowhere near the standard of top Android handsets, the iPhone or the WP7 range.
As things stand, Nokia are about the only manufacturer I'd never consider buying from.
And I very much doubt my opinion will be changed by their WP7 offerings.

Step666 said:
Only an American...
Here in the rest of the world, we've seen over the past few years just how far Nokia has sunk.
Their handsets are nowhere near the standard of Samsung and HTC and MS were fools to risk the support of superior OEM partners to woo them.
Nokia haven't been on top since the N95 and apart from the top two or three models in their range, most of what they have on the market is crap.
And that's not to say the top models are all that good, they're nowhere near the standard of top Android handsets, the iPhone or the WP7 range.
As things stand, Nokia are about the only manufacturer I'd never consider buying from.
And I very much doubt my opinion will be changed by their WP7 offerings.
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If I was running on symbian I wouldn't build top-tier phones either. It would be a waste of power on a bum OS... Just like android, why the powerful GPU and no GPU accelerated UI? It'd just be a waste of resources. With a good OS that will make use of those resources they'll be out of that rut... Symbian wasnt exactly known for its awesome games or power hungry apps so why put the stuff in just to increase the price without reason? I do think they'll need to step up the game and by what they've said I have quite a bit of faith that they will. Not to mention all specs aside they're one of few out there who are still innovative...

I agree, but I don't see what other company isn't doing the same thing, except IPhone, but since I hate apple, and am a loyal ally to Microsoft, HTC is still the best for me!
p.s. my 10th post

xzpx said:
I agree, but I don't see what other company isn't doing the same thing, except IPhone, but since I hate apple, and am a loyal ally to Microsoft, HTC is still the best for me!
p.s. my 10th post
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HTCs WP7 devices have been subpar really... Id rather get a focus unlocked...

You're missing half the point.
It's not just the specs, the build quality and reliability just isn't there.
The majority of their stuff is below-par buggy crap and I don't see switching OSs breaking them out of that rut.
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Not to mention all specs aside they're one of few out there who are still innovative...
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Ah ha ha! Are you stoned?
This is the company that repeatedly delayed/scrapped/squashed MeeGo and has pumped countless BILLIONS into Symbian.
Seriously, Nokia has been spending more on R&D than anyone else and ~90% of that has been wasted on a PoS out-of-date OS that no-one wants.
But then you look at MeeGo and they've still managed to spend more on it than HTC spends in total and it basically doesn't exist, at least not in any commercial sense. How a company can spend so much money on something they have no intention of trying to sell to customers is mind-boggling.
Nokia can't innovate to save themselves, if they could they wouldn't be switching to WP7.

The innovation I speak of is strictly hardware. There's no denying that symbian was just terrible and I dont see how anyone can expect MeeGo to be anything more than a failure... However the design of their phones is not to blame for OS shortcomings. Sure WP7 will be like their first endeavor into high end hardware (bigger processors and such) but with the innovation behind their other devices I think they could bring WP7 to a more acceptable level. I'd love to see a good WP7 device with good battery life and a great camera. As far as I'm concerned 1 gig processor is enough for a phone as long as it utilizes what's there unlike other OSes.

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Such as?
What have Nokia done in the past couple of years that's innovative?

i agree with everyone that nokia sucks. motorola, and HTC are good, and if you dont like them go with Samsung (the epic wasn't too bad) if you don't like them either go Apple if you still want an somewhat-decent smartphone. but other then that you might as well buy a flip phone. HTC is the best for phones on sprint, my parents have had several htc windows mobile os phones, and now we all got the evo. but for tablets, the zoom if it was cheaper (check gizmodo.com to see what im talking about) and something with similar specs.
Btw we should have a favorite phone maker poll, and a favorite upcoming tablet poll.

While some of you may be losing faith in HTC I have to say that they have been great so far and I only expect more innovation. As a company they are even better. In the past few months I have been writing a business paper on smartphones, part of the research involved interviewing an HTC employee. I emailed HTC President Jason Mackenzie and within 10 minutes got a reply and a Yes to my interview. Companies that can go out of their way for customers and hear their concerns and complaints keeps me faithful. My next device will always be HTC

xodaQo said:
I will never buy anything but HTC again.
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Same here, mistake buying an LG.
Il stick to HTC, thank you very much!
On topic with the OP:
I heard HTC is going to do some dual core stuff. Can't wait!
I think HTC has got to the point where they have achieved nearly everything they can with mobile devices apart from speed.
I think htc would have to get some nice new phone designs and some unbelievable hardware spec to make it interesting.

Do you think the there are too many android phones

I really like my d3 but I feel like its old already with rumors of the d4 so quick and the samsung nexus coming out. It seems that the market is flooded with android phones. Even my friends that have the iphone ask " why are there so many android phones that come so quickly" and I agree with them. I love android and will always have one. When I read things that say android has the market share I can't but wonder if its do the the huge number of android phones. I wish google would grow a pair and stop this. I would love to see just a few android phones " all stock " come out and show people that don't reallly know what a stock android phone is. I think its moto and htc, and samsung messing it all up with there ui's. And because of this is why the d3 will get lost. And its a great phone. Their are a lot of great phones but you buy one and a month later 3 more that are faster bigger come out. The only good thing about all the phones is that they all try to out do the other. So the technology gets better faster. But I would love to see less and more stock phones. Im tiered of explaining moto blur to people. My friends that have the iphone are right when they say what's wrong with stock android that the manfactures have to hide it. They have a good point. But anyway I just thought this needed to be said and now I wait 8 months till my upgrade and then I will get my samsung nexus and im back on stock forever. Also I know that we have roms and your phone can be stock with these but its still not the same.
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Google has little control over whether an OEM skins Android or not - Android is open source, and whuile I believe that they have specific requirements to get the Google market and apps, the OEMs are free to alter the framework. Of course, it is not the OEMs who simply make the phones - they are trying to sell to carriers, who also have specific demands for specific features (i.e., locked down bootloaders, so users will not be able to install apps that do things like offer hotspot service for free, plus carriers get money from software companies to pre-load specific software on the phones.) It is surely not Google who is controlling when specific makers are offering specific models (with the exception of the Nexus models.)
Google does contract with OEMs roughly once per year to make the Nexus devices, which are pure Android phones (Nexus One January 2010; Nexus S in December 2010; Nexus Prime November 2011.)
Are there too many phones? I would rather have too many great phones coming out frequently than too few phones coming out less frequently. Seriously, even with a Droid 4 coming out 6 months after a Droid 3 (if the release is indeed that tight), the Droid 3 hasn't suddenly become a terrible phone. It's a dual-core OMAP 1 GHz phone with 512 MB of RAM and a very high dpi high resolution display with reasonable battery life. This phone will remain usable for all of a typical 20 month Verizon contract commitment, just as the Droid Incredible remains entirely usable now 18 months or so after its first release.
That's my opinion, anyway. I think it's healthier to be happy that there are so many great phones pushing the envelope so frequently than the alternative - having to wait and try to guess the perfect time to upgrade to a new device. Choice can be hard, but I'd rather be able to choose between many, many models of cars than have Chevy, Ford, Toyota, etc. come out with a single model each every year.
Apple's way is very smart for them, but they do not have to compete with other OEMs making iOS phones. Android OEMs do need to be mindful of each other, and I think both ways are fine. If you are worried that too many phones are being released too fast, then by all means, switch to an iPhone and you'll be able to relax more, or simply buy whichever Nexus device is available at the time you are able or want to upgrade, as they are also now on an approximate yearly cycle. If you have to switch to another carrier to do so, that will surely send a message to the carrier that you are using that if they wanted to keep your business, they should have offered a Nexus device of their own.

Very good points. Just makes me a little mad that I get a phone and and one that I would rather have comes out a few months later. But then again I did not know that at the time. I just nee to maybe wait before jumping in. I do think that the samsung nexus will be the best selling phone of all time. I think that will send a measage to the carriers that stock it always better. I would like to think that stock it better now that 4.0 is out.
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This is the point that technology is at man. Every company is going to make devices that cater to each type of person. These smartphones really haven't been out long if you think about it in relative terms. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years we start seeing the smartphones get narrowed down into a few types of droids and of course 1 or 2 ugly step cousins made by that Apple company.
So to answer your question, yea, there may be a big selection of phones out there and by the time you get used to using one it is already outdated, but that's part of the fun of being at the edge of how far technology has gotten us.

I don't think the problem lies with too many phones but personally I think the carriers and OEMs are taking way too much advantage over the position that they are in.
When I bought my OG Droid, I went with a one year contract because I knew that soon enough a new phone would be out to replace it. This turned out to be incorrect as that was when Android phones were still in their adolescence.
In July, when I finally decided it was time to upgrade to the Droid 3, Verizon no longer offered a one-year contract and there was no sign of a QWERTY slider coming out for awhile. So I felt confident in choosing the Droid 3...
Here I sit, 4 months into a 2-year contract, the Droid 4 is on the horizon and my only option when it comes out is to buy it at full non-subsidized price. Which brings me to my next point...
Why are the non-contract prices SO high for these devices?! The cost of production and materials cannot be THAT high to warrant such a price. Add in the fact that the Operating System (Minus Blur/Sense/Etc) is "free" (to an extent).
To me it just seems like if we want to go with a prepaid, non-contract carrier we have to pay a really high price for a good phone. But when we go to a contract carrier, we are stuck for two years (unless you pay $300+ to cancel the contract) and when a new device comes out we must simply ignore it or cough up $600-700.
Am I wrong or is this the truth? Pardon my rant.

I think Android phones are being released insanely fast. There was a time when I'd read about all of them but now it seems like 3-4 new phones are announced every damn day. And they're ALL the same. Dual-Core, 4G, Gingerbread.

Ya they are all the same for the most part. That's what I don't like. Just wish the carriers would slow down, and focuse on one or two phones. Just can't wait till my upgrade comes. Just afraid that the different ui's will be not be good for android. People need to know what android looks like. Its not blur or sense and those ui's slow phones down a bit aswell.
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spacecasespiff said:
Ya they are all the same for the most part. That's what I don't like. Just wish the carriers would slow down, and focuse on one or two phones. Just can't wait till my upgrade comes. Just afraid that the different ui's will be not be good for android. People need to know what android looks like. Its not blur or sense and those ui's slow phones down a bit aswell.
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Google needs to put it's foot down and say no more skins. Skins should come as flashable roms from Moto or HTC, etc.
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Androidsims said:
Google needs to put it's foot down and say no more skins. Skins should come as flashable roms from Moto or HTC, etc.
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No it doesn't. It completely goes against what makes Android so good. Developers like being able to brand their phones, something they can't do under Windows Phone and obviously IOS. Flashable roms would just be confusing and potentially unstable for the average consumer.

Ya but people don't know what android looks like because of these skins. People think that blur is android and its not. Goggle should at least tell then to have more phones that are stock. Why hide android? Most people put roms on there phones to get rid of the skins. I know that's what I do.
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Most people put roms on there phones to get rid of the skins.
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This is probably true of people who mod their phone, but definitely not true of Android users as a whole. I would guess that less then 10% of Android users actually mod their phones. While it's a small sample, out of the 9 people I know personally that own Android phones, only 2 of them have modded it, and they only did it because I did it for them because they complained of the phone being too slow (Droid 1's). Although both recently upgraded to iphones.
The bottom line is the majority of Android users don't care about what their phone looks like or what Android truly looks like. The same way I don't care about whats under the hood of my car. A car gets me from point A to point B, what makes that happen is irrelevant to me. All I care is if the car is visually appealing to me. And maybe more recently MPG, because of the cost of gas is so god damn high.

Well the nice thing is, as long as XDA exists then we will always have a more current phone. If my Droid 3 would have not crapped out on me because of the screen I would still be using it at 1 GHz with the latest Gingerbread. Once we figure out how to mod the D3 better and better and if we do ever get the unlocked bootloader then our phones will still be just as current as the Nexus Prime or whatever is newer and better.
The specs of this phone despite not being 4G are good because the CPU and RAM are up there with the currently released high end phones (except the RAZR). We already have some good custom ROMs out there and I'm sure we will get ICS soon enough thanks to Hash.
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Well the nice thing is, as long as XDA exists then we will always have a more current phone. If my Droid 3 would have not crapped out on me because of the screen I would still be using it at 1 GHz with the latest Gingerbread. Once we figure out how to mod the D3 better and better and if we do ever get the unlocked bootloader then our phones will still be just as current as the Nexus Prime or whatever is newer and better.
The specs of this phone despite not being 4G are good because the CPU and RAM are up there with the currently released high end phones (except the RAZR). We already have some good custom ROMs out there and I'm sure we will get ICS soon enough thanks to Hash.
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The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.

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The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.
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No the software is just that bad.

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The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.
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512 MB will be fine for ICS, I am sure, as the Nexus S will be getting ICS with worse specs than the D3 (i.e., single-core CPU).
It's very possible that Moto and/or VZW will not want to take the time to develop ICS for the D3, or push it out, but it won't be because it has "only" 512 MB of RAM.

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512 MB will be fine for ICS, I am sure, as the Nexus S will be getting ICS with worse specs than the D3 (i.e., single-core CPU).
It's very possible that Moto and/or VZW will not want to take the time to develop ICS for the D3, or push it out, but it won't be because it has "only" 512 MB of RAM.
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The Nexus S doesn't have a ton of bloatware on it. Verizon will have to port all the applications that are stock loaded with the Droid 3 2.3.4 build over to ICS. I'm going to go ahead and assume that ICS probably uses more RAM than gingerbread. Couple that with the crap software Verizon loads on the phone and there is definitely a case for ram being an issue. I mean the stock phone blows as is, run maps and music and it slows to a crawl.

I think the over abundance of Android phones can be disheartening at first glance, but when you think about it, remember back a few years to when the original razr was the hot phone. After owning it for two years, you go in to get an upgrade to find that the best phone on the market is still a razr, but now it can play mp3s. If you use your head, you realize that all of these people who are worried about having the latest and greatest phone and go out to buy it as it is released still have a perfectly good "last month" phone. Hello Ebay. I saved my upgrade and bought a one month old D3 off ebay for $300. Use your upgrades when the RIGHT phone comes out, until then pick up the scraps from ebay at half price. Remember, even a used phone from ebay still carries a mfg warranty.
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I agree with OP that there are too many Android phones and not enough variety. i think the main difference is that while the iPhone was originally locked to one market, Android phones were everywhere. Each carrier had their own version of each phone made by each manufacturer, not to mention their individual contracts for certain phones that ended up getting out to other carriers eventually (i.e. Evo). My issue is there isn't much variety, yeah they have small upgrades here and there and small differences but the main thing is once a 1ghz 4.3" screen came out, every company made one. Once dual core came out, every company made one. Not much innovation imo, just keeping up with the competition. And I still don't understand why there are barely any QWERTY keyboards, another reason why it seems like most of the phones coming out are the same.
For me it all has began to come down to the looks department. I know I want a QWERTY so i had limited options, but even if it was an all touch screen you look for one that you can live with looking at every day and bite the bullet. Chances are everyone else will have one with similar specs just different body design.

HTC kills the One S

http://androidandme.com/2013/07/dev...ves-android-4-1-broken-promises-at-the-scene/
Now I know the One S is a mid range, but this will further hurt HTC. There aren't to many people who have faith in HTC regarding this news. What are you guys thoughts?
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http://androidandme.com/2013/07/dev...ves-android-4-1-broken-promises-at-the-scene/
Now I know the One S is a mid range, but this will further hurt HTC. There aren't to many people who have faith in HTC regarding this news. What are you guys thoughts?
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htc one will be dead in a year too

XaoSilentrzk said:
http://androidandme.com/2013/07/dev...ves-android-4-1-broken-promises-at-the-scene/
Now I know the One S is a mid range, but this will further hurt HTC. There aren't to many people who have faith in HTC regarding this news. What are you guys thoughts?
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I don't think too many people mind, to be honest. You're going to get a huge responder bias in terms of people responding to this issue (namely, it's going to be people who actually care about the updates and know of the One S' existence). It's a sweet looking phone and this is too bad, but I don't think HTC's going to bleed much from this issue.
Don't quite agree with above poster: I'd be surprised though if it went two years, but I do think it'll last more than one.

The only major complain I have from HTC is with their device support for updates. Any news about one X ? I hope it is getting 4.2.2 with sense 5. Otherwise I will lose faith in HTC.
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I don't think too many people mind, to be honest. You're going to get a huge responder bias in terms of people responding to this issue (namely, it's going to be people who actually care about the updates and know of the One S' existence). It's a sweet looking phone and this is too bad, but I don't think HTC's going to bleed much from this issue.
Don't quite agree with above poster: I'd be surprised though if it went two years, but I do think it'll last more than one.
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Dude you're missing the point. The One S isn't supported but the far significantly weaker Galaxy S2 is? That makes no sense and shows HTC could care less about supporting the already released devices. First it was the desire HD fiasco, then the One X bad unit fiasco, the EVO3D extra slow update fiasco, now this. It's bad PR and world of mouth for them.
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Dude you're missing the point. The One S isn't supported but the far significantly weaker Galaxy S2 is? That makes no sense and shows HTC could care less about supporting the already released devices. First it was the desire HD fiasco, then the One X bad unit fiasco, the EVO3D extra slow update fiasco, now this. It's bad PR and world of mouth for them.
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Not really, no. You've missed the far bigger issue-- two, actually.
Comparing the Galaxy SII to the One S is apples to oranges. The One S is a mid-tier handset launched in a handful of markets without a strong brand name or marketing campaign to its name. While an excellent phone, its adoption numbers were never great. The Galaxy SII might be older, but it has been launched in many more markets, on many more carriers, and perhaps most importantly it was a Samsung flagship device. And as a flagship, it's going to see a lot more attention than a midrange phone-- even if it now is today's midrange device.
That's practically a side note though compared to the real issue. The majority of Android customers do not care about updates. No poll you will ever conduct on XDA or any Android or mobile enthusiast site is going to matter in this regard, because the representative responder bias is ridiculously, ludicrously high. So long as a device is current "enough" (that is, it supports most apps in the Play Store), consumers are none the wiser for each Android update, and chalk new features to a new phone.
Oh, and considering the contract upgrade cycle, people care even less. Even on the iOS side where you can expect an update rather regularly, most individual users will shrug their shoulders unless the update breaks something.
Simply put: yes, this will raise a stink in the developer community, and anyone maybe one step removed from a developer/enthusiast. But is it going to change the market? No, and even if it did it wouldn't hold a candle to the impact HTC and Samsung/s gross disparity in marketing reserves will have.

Nonetheless, any way you slice it... Bad move for HTC. I lurked over to their forums (One S) and many users are pissed
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Not really, no. You've missed the far bigger issue-- two, actually.
Comparing the Galaxy SII to the One S is apples to oranges. The One S is a mid-tier handset launched in a handful of markets without a strong brand name or marketing campaign to its name. While an excellent phone, its adoption numbers were never great. The Galaxy SII might be older, but it has been launched in many more markets, on many more carriers, and perhaps most importantly it was a Samsung flagship device. And as a flagship, it's going to see a lot more attention than a midrange phone-- even if it now is today's midrange device.
That's practically a side note though compared to the real issue. The majority of Android customers do not care about updates. No poll you will ever conduct on XDA or any Android or mobile enthusiast site is going to matter in this regard, because the representative responder bias is ridiculously, ludicrously high. So long as a device is current "enough" (that is, it supports most apps in the Play Store), consumers are none the wiser for each Android update, and chalk new features to a new phone.
Oh, and considering the contract upgrade cycle, people care even less. Even on the iOS side where you can expect an update rather regularly, most individual users will shrug their shoulders unless the update breaks something.
Simply put: yes, this will raise a stink in the developer community, and anyone maybe one step removed from a developer/enthusiast. But is it going to change the market? No, and even if it did it wouldn't hold a candle to the impact HTC and Samsung/s gross disparity in marketing reserves will have.
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This says it. I just wonder though why the people who are stating such bad history by their own opinions still posting from yet another HTC? But hey. I like HTC. I font keep one handset over 6-12 months anyway. So...no worries. But hope you all settle to the reality that once a device is sent its share of updates and fixes and complaints stop in huge forms they will move on. Your buying the handset with firmware as is. They are only entitled to fix what's broken not add stuff the new devices have. That's bad business 101. They are just that. Big business.
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Nonetheless, any way you slice it... Bad move for HTC. I lurked over to their forums (One S) and many users are pissed
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Well, let me think...a forum of people who use the One S, care enough to sign up on a forum, and not just any forum, on the XDA One S forum (and others), and...what do you have there? Respondent bias! I don't think you get it: for the vast, vast majority of users out there, they do not know enough to care.
And no, it's not an "any way you slice it" situation. Basic economics dictate that you take the best option over a given time horizon. Believe it or not, that does in fact factor in things like customer loyalty and brand name. I have precious little doubt that there were serious discussions about updating the One S, particularly given how much contrary information there was in the beginning of this process. At the end of the day, several things are readily apparent.
1) For good or bad reasons, Sense 5.x was designed for newer processors than the one in the HTC One S.
2) Consequently, HTC needed to both the underlying Android firmware to 4.2 (and if you're going to say "4.1 to 4.2 was such a minor update", think about what "minor" can mean distributed over x number of handsets running different software, in different locations, and in the hands of users of wildly varying degrees of proficiency-- and think of what happened during the 4.2 upgrade for many devices ["my tablet is so slowwwww" "my battery sucks!"]) and backport Sense 5.0 to an older processor design. When you're doing optimization, that's not easy.
3) The HTC One S is a phone that's a generation behind. It never enjoyed the same success as equivalent Samsung models, either.
4) No One S units are still being sold as new stock: HTC gains no further revenue from selling these handsets.
5) HTC's One has been released inside the envelope for contract upgrades for a large number of people who used HTC's last "great" product line.
HTC is going to put its resources where it can earn money. Right now, it doesn't really have time or stamina to try and maintain phones that it essentially jettisoned by going all-in on the HTC One.

Well... Sucks for those guys
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Well, let me think...a forum of people who use the One S, care enough to sign up on a forum, and not just any forum, on the XDA One S forum (and others), and...what do you have there? Respondent bias! I don't think you get it: for the vast, vast majority of users out there, they do not know enough to care.
And no, it's not an "any way you slice it" situation. Basic economics dictate that you take the best option over a given time horizon. Believe it or not, that does in fact factor in things like customer loyalty and brand name. I have precious little doubt that there were serious discussions about updating the One S, particularly given how much contrary information there was in the beginning of this process. At the end of the day, several things are readily apparent.
1) For good or bad reasons, Sense 5.x was designed for newer processors than the one in the HTC One S.
2) Consequently, HTC needed to both the underlying Android firmware to 4.2 (and if you're going to say "4.1 to 4.2 was such a minor update", think about what "minor" can mean distributed over x number of handsets running different software, in different locations, and in the hands of users of wildly varying degrees of proficiency-- and think of what happened during the 4.2 upgrade for many devices ["my tablet is so slowwwww" "my battery sucks!"]) and backport Sense 5.0 to an older processor design. When you're doing optimization, that's not easy.
3) The HTC One S is a phone that's a generation behind. It never enjoyed the same success as equivalent Samsung models, either.
4) No One S units are still being sold as new stock: HTC gains no further revenue from selling these handsets.
5) HTC's One has been released inside the envelope for contract upgrades for a large number of people who used HTC's last "great" product line.
HTC is going to put its resources where it can earn money. Right now, it doesn't really have time or stamina to try and maintain phones that it essentially jettisoned by going all-in on the HTC One.
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Well the HTC one s came out the same time as the one x. So I don't get what you're trying to say. The one s can easily run sense 5. It has a dual core snapdragon processor with 1gb of ram
Sense 5 has a very low memory footprint, even less than sense 4.
Not trying to make Samsung look good, but they do a better job in updating their old phones to the best of their ability.
Lets see how you'll feel next year when HTC does the same thing to you. Don't believe me? The track record speaks for itself.
Saying that HTC will only put resources where they can earn money is very short sighted and not a way a smartphone company should do business, plus killing a phone in one year is unheard of. If you accept these practises then don't say anything when your investment gets killed off and forgotten next spring
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flex360 said:
Well the HTC one s came out the same time as the one x. So I don't get what you're trying to say. The one s can easily run sense 5. It has a dual core snapdragon processor with 1gb of ram
Sense 5 has a very low memory footprint, even less than sense 4.
Not trying to make Samsung look good, but they do a better job in updating their old phones to the best of their ability.
Lets see how you'll feel next year when HTC does the same thing to you. Don't believe me? The track record speaks for itself.
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I don't think you're really following the points.
1. Not relevant. The One S was aimed at a different market sector, almost specifically so (small carriers, mid-range specs). That it came out at the same time as the One X is about as useful as saying any one of Samsung's SII variants were released at the same time as the SIII (or more appropriately, the lower-spec'd SIII variants with the SIII proper). Temporal proximity is by far and away not a useful way of measuring Android updates if the past is anything to go by.
2. Sure, the One S could run Sense 5.0. Not the problem here. It's not even an issue of whether or not the One S would run it well. For a business, the question isn't really "can x do y," it's "can x do y and generate enough utility to be worthwhile?" So many people on this forum seem to think that these companies push updates out of goodwill. When they do push updates, it's a very calculated decision.
3. Sure. Samsung's also got the luxury of an enormous war chest right now. When it comes down to resources, HTC's flat out not going to be able to match Samsung. That's with little judgment on either company as a phonemaker, but simply a point of fact. HTC is trying to focus in on a few handsets to preserve itself as best as it can, and updating older phones that sold in small quantities isn't part of that mission statement.
4. To be quite honest, I'm absolutely uncertain what you're trying to prove with this one. For one (har), I'd be more interested in seeing how HTC acts with regards to the One X, which is comparable to the One (both have flagship status, after all) than the One S. For another, given HTC's major push on this single phone (there's no comparison between the One and the One X/S/V/SV in terms of marketing), I would be surprised if they didn't try to support this to the same extent as any Samsung flagship.
But the bigger thing that I find funny here is that you act like it's relevant to me. Newsflash: it's not. It's not as though Sprint users are strangers to slow updates, and once my contract is up I'll probably go prepaid GSM or unlock my One and use it for cell/text only with no data, again on GSM. The One was the most interesting phone available to me after my Galaxy Nexus, and I'll enjoy the phone for what it's worth. As an electronics collector though, I'm fairly accustomed to buying new kit from year to year, so hey, small matter.

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I don't think you're really following the points.
1. Not relevant. The One S was aimed at a different market sector, almost specifically so (small carriers, mid-range specs). That it came out at the same time as the One X is about as useful as saying any one of Samsung's SII variants were released at the same time as the SIII (or more appropriately, the lower-spec'd SIII variants with the SIII proper). Temporal proximity is by far and away not a useful way of measuring Android updates if the past is anything to go by.
2. Sure, the One S could run Sense 5.0. Not the problem here. It's not even an issue of whether or not the One S would run it well. For a business, the question isn't really "can x do y," it's "can x do y and generate enough utility to be worthwhile?" So many people on this forum seem to think that these companies push updates out of goodwill. When they do push updates, it's a very calculated decision.
3. Sure. Samsung's also got the luxury of an enormous war chest right now. When it comes down to resources, HTC's flat out not going to be able to match Samsung. That's with little judgment on either company as a phonemaker, but simply a point of fact. HTC is trying to focus in on a few handsets to preserve itself as best as it can, and updating older phones that sold in small quantities isn't part of that mission statement.
4. To be quite honest, I'm absolutely uncertain what you're trying to prove with this one. For one (har), I'd be more interested in seeing how HTC acts with regards to the One X, which is comparable to the One (both have flagship status, after all) than the One S. For another, given HTC's major push on this single phone (there's no comparison between the One and the One X/S/V/SV in terms of marketing), I would be surprised if they didn't try to support this to the same extent as any Samsung flagship.
But the bigger thing that I find funny here is that you act like it's relevant to me. Newsflash: it's not. It's not as though Sprint users are strangers to slow updates, and once my contract is up I'll probably go prepaid GSM or unlock my One and use it for cell/text only with no data, again on GSM. The One was the most interesting phone available to me after my Galaxy Nexus, and I'll enjoy the phone for what it's worth. As an electronics collector though, I'm fairly accustomed to buying new kit from year to year, so hey, small matter.
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You could write 10 more paragraphs but you still will be writing a wall of nonsense
A phone should not be killed off in a year, and that's my point.
More power to you if you want to buy a new phone every year.
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flex360 said:
You could write 10 more paragraphs but you still will be writing a wall of nonsense
A phone should not be killed off in a year, and that's my point.
More power to you if you want to buy a new phone every year.
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And you can be as dismissive and naive as you want, but you're still lacking for answers.
Sure, I agree: a phone shouldn't be killed off in a year. I have a similar belief for computers. Doesn't change the fact that any device will be outdated in six months, and that a company has very little interest in doing anything that would keep you from buying a new device.
But hey, more power to you if you naively believe that equipment manufacturers are going to work against a profit motive.

I'm going to say I'm riding with Flex here
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Yea s2 went from
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4.0.4
So i just hope we get more than one goddamn major update or ill be leaving htc for good
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I'm going to say I'm riding with Flex here
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I'm not. Rirere is right. The One S was a mid range phone and with that you will always get LESS which is why it costs less. One of those "lesses" is you aren't going to get cutting edge support that you should get with a flagship device. (I say should because the E3D was supposedly a flagship device and we got seriously boned on that one.)
Raising a stink over a midrange phone that never sold all that well to begin with is silly and if I had bought one I'd accept that fact. I'd go "well, it really wasn't the top model anyway, oh well."
I don't think this will hurt HTC AT ALL and it shouldn't. Sucks for the 9 people who bought a HOS and not a HOX. Lol
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I'm going to say I'm riding with Flex here
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Brown noser
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felacio said:
I'm not. Rirere is right. The One S was a mid range phone and with that you will always get LESS which is why it costs less. One of those "lesses" is you aren't going to get cutting edge support that you should get with a flagship device. (I say should because the E3D was supposedly a flagship device and we got seriously boned on that one.)
Raising a stink over a midrange phone that never sold all that well to begin with is silly and if I had bought one I'd accept that fact. I'd go "well, it really wasn't the top model anyway, oh well."
I don't think this will hurt HTC AT ALL and it shouldn't. Sucks for the 9 people who bought a HOS and not a HOX. Lol
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Pretty much, which in my opinion is a real damn shame because the One S was my first prolonged encounter with HTC phones. I was interning with a security firm last summer and doing some device testing, and out of all the phones I got to play with (including the Galaxy S III and the HTC One X), the One S was by far and away my favorite of the bunch. I'm actually not at all sure why they didn't use its design as the "premium" handset-- the lighter, slick polycarbonate on the One X felt decidedly less comfortable in the hand and I never actually got used to how I had to hold the One X to use it.
Still, such is life. I'd love it if Key Lime Pie had manufacturers segment off their skins as true "overlays" on stock Android, and thus allowed updates to roll out from Google. Given the company's aggressive severance of services from the underlying Android base though, this issue could well be moot in a few more product cycles, which is equally interesting.

felacio said:
I'm not. Rirere is right. The One S was a mid range phone and with that you will always get LESS which is why it costs less. One of those "lesses" is you aren't going to get cutting edge support that you should get with a flagship device. (I say should because the E3D was supposedly a flagship device and we got seriously boned on that one.)
Raising a stink over a midrange phone that never sold all that well to begin with is silly and if I had bought one I'd accept that fact. I'd go "well, it really wasn't the top model anyway, oh well."
I don't think this will hurt HTC AT ALL and it shouldn't. Sucks for the 9 people who bought a HOS and not a HOX. Lol
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Explain the desire HD fiasco then, explain the HTC thunderbolt fiasco... Dude accept it... HTC is slacking.
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Nexus to be replaced by Android Silver Handsets (rumored)

Here's an interesting article I just came across on the Verge about a few sources saying the Google will retire the Nexus Line and reboot it with Android Silver handsets that will be sold in stores and highly marketed, but with presumably higher specs.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/29/5664702/google-nexus-to-be-replaced-by-android-silver
International Buinsess Article
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5504...-release-date-specs-features.htm#.U2LtifldV8E
"The rumoured "Android Silver" line will replace the Nexus program. The line included more high-end and more expensive devices. It was claimed that Google wants to focus on giving consumers devices that are bumped in the hardware side while enjoying pure Android experience." (International Business)
What do you think? I would be willing to go for a all around premium "Nexus" phone as long as the cost wasn't too much and it worked on all major carriers.

simms22 said:
i call bs.
as every year there is another rumor that there wont be another nexus, yet every year comes a nexus.
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I'm hoping that this is not true, if it is, we should start an online petition to keep the Nexus brand going.. I hate bloatware, carrier logos and all of the other nonsense that comes on phones from the carriers. My last few phones have been Nexus devices, and everytime i buy a carrier branded phone, i just end up selling it or returning it. Once you go nexus you cant go back..
Just my .02 cents.

I just posted two similar links here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52289003
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I think that is only one more rumor surrounding Nexus brand

Google can call the program whatever they want to call it. As long as they offer a device with vanilla Android, without carrier and manufacturer bloatware, with at least mid-range specs at a reasonable price I'm happy.

Rumors only...lock it before it spreads! eeek

Guys we have the last nexus Google can't keep making this phone it hurts its partners and now with the one plus one there is no point. I prefer a premium device instead of the cuts made to nexus like battery and camera
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Some of you guys are still in the negation phase
i mean, i love the nexus line too, but there are many indications that Android Silver is going to become a reality soon, some of the leakers of this news are credible sources and probably with direct connections in Google itself (well at least more credible than random people on a forum stating the opposite with no clues whatsoever) . You do the maths.

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Guys we have the last nexus Google can't keep making this phone it hurts its partners and now with the one plus one there is no point.
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I hope you are joking. The OnePlus is not even on Google's radar. I would assume the Android Silver program is true based on who is reporting it. At the end of the day, Google isn't going to stop offering an affordable Android phone with vanilla Android. It seems the silver program is just extending the GPE program to carriers. Surely, they aren't killing off the Play Store so there are no worries. Whether or not they call their phones "Nexus" phones doesn't matter to me because one will still be available from the Play Store.

Cautiously optimistic about this. Could be interesting.
I hope they keep the competitive pricing...

I feel the android manufacturers and carriers are never going to want a reasonably priced google phone that is heavily marketed next to their pricy flagships. Something about it doesn't add up. If they are GPe priced i'm sure the carriers and manufacturers wouldn't mind but then marketing that is much harder and they wouldn't sell many. I just can't picture them being welcome in retail next to the other phones.

Seadra said:
idk, Android Silver concept first came in light few months back, and that time it was in the rumor stage, but now verge is reporting it and verge isn't one to bull**** users. Verge also has close contacts with Google, and it's sources can be trusted. Though I hope this DOESN'T happen. Also, next nexus will come this year, the android silver concept is staged for 2015.
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Verge after the Galaxy Nexus era is as much bullsh*t as the rest. Their review for the Nexus 5 is a joke for an example.
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Here's some more information about the possible Android Silver.
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5504...-release-date-specs-features.htm#.U2LtifldV8E
"The rumoured "Android Silver" line will replace the Nexus program. The line included more high-end and more expensive devices. It was claimed that Google wants to focus on giving consumers devices that are bumped in the hardware side while enjoying pure Android experience." (International Business)

That's an even ****tier source than The Verge!
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IBtimes should be banned from posting anything about technology until they can do some fact checking. It's nothing but a clickbait site with a bunch of repeated in(or mis)formation.
This Android Silver idea sounds like it really could be a benefit if Google truly does put serious effort into it. I just think android has gotten to a point now that serious changes like this need to be considered in order to help potentially solve the issues many developers have (by having just a few "focus" devices every year". I own an iPad as well as N5 and I must say that the quality of most apps for the iPad are consistently phenomenal; I unfortunately can't say that in my experience with android (though the situation has majorly improved I'd say in the past year or so)

Melamunna said:
IBtimes should be banned from posting anything about technology until they can do some fact checking. It's nothing but a clickbait site with a bunch of repeated in(or mis)formation.
This Android Silver idea sounds like it really could be a benefit if Google truly does put serious effort into it. I just think android has gotten to a point now that serious changes like this need to be considered in order to help potentially solve the issues many developers have (by having just a few "focus" devices every year". I own an iPad as well as N5 and I must say that the quality of most apps for the iPad are consistently phenomenal; I unfortunately can't say that in my experience with android (though the situation has majorly improved I'd say in the past year or so)
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Agreed
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It's not often you see a non-geek for example carrying a Nexus 5. Those people would rather go for huge flagships that show up on TV. Google wants a piece of the pie now and so they're probably going the same route as Samsung while keeping Android as vanilla as possible. Besides if the Project Hera theme is to be true, the home button now says Google. Google is slowly but surely inserting their brand name into everything to directly compete with Apple and Samsung devices and services.
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Still think that this whole android silver thing is going to be similar to Google Play Edtion ( GPE ) phones.
There will be Xperia Z3 silver edition, HTC one M9 silver edition , Samsung Galaxy S6 Silver edition. All running vanilla android.
Just my 2 cents.

To me the issue is what you can and can't do in these supposed silver editions. Will they all have the freedom to flash this that and the other thing, downgrade boot loaders at will....etc etc.
The current developer edition phones of other makers still usually don't come with the freedom of a nexus. Not totally.
Again, my example is the moto x. All moto x's, including the developer edition, can't downgrade their os after flashing 4.4.2. The boot loader won't allow it. And those that find a way to downgrade, and make one false move....brick their phones. So that phone is not even close to the flexibility of a nexus.
That's my worry.

I think that Google won't do this
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