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Anyone else upset...

...that there will most likely never ever be an official superphone Nexus 2?
With the online store a relative failure, we will probably have to buy new phones from our carriers (or from the manufacturers God willing) and yea...kinda sucks.
I wish Google REALLY tried to change the game and A) made sure HTC used the absolute BEST materials and hardware for the N1, B) priced it at like 300 without contract and 100 on contract and C) MARKETED THE HELL OUT OF IT
oh well... :-/

I see the Nexus one as a Massive success, personally. Check out all of the newer android phones on the market since it was released.
Compare to the HTC Hero, Samsung Moment, or Moto Droid.

Would definitely be a bummed. I was only going to buy nexus successors, with all the damn new choices all the damn time that would've given some order to my life. Plus its the only reason I renewed with t-mobile. Ill hold out hope at least until January 5th...

Nexus 2
Man that sucks, It would mean that the Nexus 1 is my last Android phone! (I'm waiting on the Nexus 2)

The Nexus One may not have been the insanely high volume sales success of other devices out there. But that doesn't mean it was a failure. In fact, IIRC, Google has come out and said that based on the sales figure, it has technically been a success for them. Whether or not there will be a "Nexus Two" is purely speculation at this point. There's only one way to find out (wait).
And either way, I doubt there will be any disappointment either way. If there is a Nexus Two, then everyone here can go WOOHOO! And if there isn't a Nexus Two, I'm sure something will come out around its ETA that is equally as stunning to those waiting for it.

regardless if there is or isnt going to be a Nexus 2 the Nexus 1 is an amazing phone and has begun aging gracefully. I can say that any Android phone i get in the future i will judge it on how awesome it is/isnt in comparison to my Nexus 1

Did you know that the 2 most discussed device specific sub forums here are the the HD2 and the Nexus sub forums?
What does that tell you?

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Did you know that the 2 most discussed device specific sub forums here are the the HD2 and the Nexus sub forums?
What does that tell you?
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That we're a bunch of social butterflies and those "other people" are the silent types.

slowz3r said:
regardless if there is or isnt going to be a Nexus 2 the Nexus 1 is an amazing phone and has begun aging gracefully. I can say that any Android phone i get in the future i will judge it on how awesome it is/isnt in comparison to my Nexus 1
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+1. And, it's nice knowing that updates will continue to come straight from Google while others will be at the mercy of the carriers. I rarely keep a phone for more than 6 months or so, but I can't see giving up my N1 anytime soon.

AvengerBB said:
+1. And, it's nice knowing that updates will continue to come straight from Google while others will be at the mercy of the carriers. I rarely keep a phone for more than 6 months or so, but I can't see giving up my N1 anytime soon.
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I see all these "new" phones coming out with 1Ghz processors and AMOLED screens and such and i always go "been there done that". Phones IMHO are just now catching up to the Nexus.
So unless there is something "new" that my nexus doesn't have then i wont be getting a new phone any time soon. And by something new i dont mean a bigger screen because i should be able to put a phone in my pocket without feeling like its gonna break in half, or it makes it uncomfortable to sit down. *cough cough EVO and Droid*

Erm, I thought you could still buy the nexus one sim free from shops, or at least expansys.
I think we'll be spoilt for choice even if there isn't a "nexus two" because HTC are obviously comitted to android phones and aside from various other brands Samsung seem to have come out with a really nice phone in the Galaxy S.

the main reason I got the N1 was because it's uncluttered from carrier overlays, it's 'pure' android (i switched from an iPhone 3G) - and I prefer being contract free.
I hope there is a N2, although I do like the looks of the Droid X (I'm in Europe though). there's plenty of life left in my N1 ...
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I'm not upset in the slightest.
Yes there are other phones out there with similar/better specs...but from the a developers stand point, its there favorite toy at the moment.

I'm glad that the Nexus One came because it set a new standard beyond the 528 MHz Qualcomms that Android devices were stuck on, and even now has barely been eclipsed in terms of speed or features. There are no phones out right now that I would consider a true upgrade from the N1, more of a side-grade.

I agree we will never see a Nexus Two, and yes, it does make me sad.
I HATE carrier provided phones
They're always laden with ****ware.

There will always be an ADP (Android developer phone) It just may not be called Nexus.

Clarkster said:
There will always be an ADP (Android developer phone) It just may not be called Nexus.
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But none of the developer phones have supported the AT&T or Rogers 3G bands. I'm afraid that no Nexus 2 means no more AT&T support on developer phones.
Dammit.

where is there a competitive smarthphone today that is $300 unsubsidized period?

Given the business and licensing model of Android, there will always have to be some kind of benchmark. Something that defines the minimum spec needed to run new OS versions. What features are needed, what hardware is required, what level of overhead can developers use for their apps. This wasn't as important when there was only 4 models around, 3 of which were from the same manufacturer.
This benchmark doesn't need to be made available to consumers, see the Android Dev phones released prior to the N1. It does need to exist. However, Google also seems interested in pushing the exterior to look as polished as the guts, so if you're going through the expense of creating hardware, software and a casing, why not sell it?
Besides with the N1 just now becoming available in B&M stores worldwide (Vodafone aside), it's consumer success/failure is just now being decided.

the two main reasons i love the nexus are that it has cutting edge hardware, and i was (still am) hoping a new one would come each year, like the iphone. It would be nice to be able to depend on a yearly upgrade, then i could sit back and enjoy the insanity around me that is the ever evolving, ultra competitive, Android industry...i love it, i just cant keep up with it, i need some sort of order and stability in my life!

Google X family to replace Nexus family?

With so many shifts happening in the industry (like Samsung shifting to Tizen and away from Android, BB 10 OS, Ubuntu, etc) there is now talk of Google going against Samsung and Apple with an upcoming Google/Motorola X Phone to be announced at the I/O meeting in May during the anticipated release of Android 5.0.
Some are starting to speculate that the X Phone may not only be the next flagship device for Google but also the X family which may replace the current Nexus devices ( phones, tablets).
What are your thoughts about this? If true, do you see yourself making a jump to this rumored X Phone?
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Google just started the Nexus 4-7-10 system two months ago.... I really don't see them changing anything, even the name to X, soon.
Besides, Motorola's designs are hideous (not quite as bad as Samsung's, but still pretty bad). I really don't want to see that X phone if it looks like other Moto phones. Give the next Google phone to HTC.

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With so many shifts happening in the industry (like Samsung shifting to Tizen and away from Android, BB 10 OS, Ubuntu, etc) there is now talk of Google going against Samsung and Apple with an upcoming Google/Motorola X Phone to be announced at the I/O meeting in May during the anticipated release of Android 5.0.
Some are starting to speculate that the X Phone may not only be the next flagship device for Google but also the X family which may replace the current Nexus devices ( phones, tablets).
What are your thoughts about this? If true, do you see yourself making a jump to this rumored X Phone?
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X-phone is a rumour for now. No one is sure if it's true. X if true is being built by Motorola, which recently pulled out of lot of markets couple months back. So it can't be a hit.
My guess is it might be a device for Verizon.
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From a complete business perspective, any time is good to create a new line built off of the success of an older one. In fact, its much wiser to continue that method in rapid succession rather than to delay it. If sales have plateaued I'd consider it totally possible, and applaud Google in the process.
Of course, this is all just speculation.
I personally like the designs of moto, I loved my dx-2 and every other moto phone I've owned. In my experience they have a solid feel and a sense of quality.

There are many theories out there on what this X phone is going to be but the shifting landscape esp. regarding Sammy and Tizen makes me wonder if Google is cooking something up in house (w/ Motorola).
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I've never owned a Moto phone but I hear they have good radios and battery life - both features important to me.
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my guess is that its gonna be the next nexus device and will be branded as such, but google is going to push it as a phone for consumers in addition to the developer/android lovers phone the nexus line is known for, they are already starting to do it now with the nexus 4 but they would go all out with the x phone, so my guess is it would be on all carriers and available through the play store. theres not really any evidence that it would be revealed at the google i/o, maybe the x tablet will be revealed then to replace the n7. i think it would be released closer to the holiday season like the nexus 4
i think we can all agree it will be a helluva phone regardless if you like moto or not

streak4m3 said:
I've never owned a Moto phone but I hear they have good radios and battery life - both features important to me.
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Same. Reception, battery life, and build quality are Motorola's proficiencies and are the 3 things I care about. Motorola Nexus should be killer.
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4 is an unlucky number. First the S4 pro is the last of its series and a few months later is replaced by a significantly more powerful successor(mpdecision is a joke, the radio is a joke). The Nexus 4's launch was terrible, people still can't get one and there are rumors about halted production, and we can't forget the thermal issues. Our last strike being Qualcomm's lack of open source code for the S4 Pro which practically contradicts the purpose of getting a Nexus-experience. Might as well go with Tegra since openness is lacking from both.

OvaHex said:
From a complete business perspective, any time is good to create a new line built off of the success of an older one. In fact, its much wiser to continue that method in rapid succession rather than to delay it. If sales have plateaued I'd consider it totally possible, and applaud Google in the process.
Of course, this is all just speculation.
I personally like the designs of moto, I loved my dx-2 and every other moto phone I've owned. In my experience they have a solid feel and a sense of quality.
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That would cause irreparable damage to their brand. Also a business perspective.
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Ace42 said:
4 is an unlucky number. First the S4 pro is the last of its series and a few months later is replaced by a significantly more powerful successor(mpdecision is a joke, the radio is a joke). The Nexus 4's launch was terrible, people still can't get one and there are rumors about halted production, and we can't forget the thermal issues. Our last strike being Qualcomm's lack of open source code for the S4 Pro which practically contradicts the purpose of getting a Nexus-experience. Might as well go with Tegra since openness is lacking from both.
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I loved the processor on the Galaxy Nexus. At least that one doesn't run hot while playing the game Flow.
I can't play Flow for more than 30 minutes without it being extremely discomforting because of the processor burning up.

Enhanced said:
Same. Reception, battery life, and build quality are Motorola's proficiencies and are the 3 things I care about. Motorola Nexus should be killer.
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I think all companies can make great phones if they focused on making one device a year instead of 12 like the iPhone is always going to be a top tier device but Samsung will work on an s3 along with others like galaxy victory note 2 galaxy camera plus TV's and other electronics.
The nexus and the X are closely related in terms of names so I don't think nexus will be abandoned. Nexus emphasizes on the X (jellybean boot animation for example).
They just started a number system so they can go to letters since its going to be different like the Nexus X but... Since moto is Google's company and "droid" has these dramatic commercials they may market it as the "Droid" collides with "Nexus" and the world explodes and then they show NEXUS written in droid red letters and fade out the NE and US leaving X glowing.
Lol it looks beautiful in my mind hopefully my writing expresses that.
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Google Nexus X
Not that large of a change. Similar to the scheme they adopted with Samsung. Nexus S and GALAXY Nexus. The Droid X series by Motorola was popular so if Motorola made one it would make sense as a name (or as a good speculation for a name)
It would also follow Apple's ditching of numbers with the new iPad.
I was planning on buying the nexus 4 in a few months. I shouldn't have to worry about this new nexus coming out into the end of the year right?
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It all depends on when the next generation of phones come out. I hope Google doesn't ditch their nexus 4...

Maybe they are having moto rush them for a June launch. Seeing as they have no more nexus 4s
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Euler MD said:
It all depends on when the next generation of phones come out. I hope Google doesn't ditch their nexus 4...
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I agree but to expand. I wish that they keep it a solid family. Hate to compare but like iPhone.
If I buy a nexus on a 2 year contract I expect at least the first year to get all updates. People have the iPhone 4 and aren't in a hurry to get the five because its almost the same but I was going crazy when I was stuck on GB and ICS was out.
Like the droid RAZR, RAZR maxx, RAZR HD, RAZR HD maxx, That is 4 different models that are 95% the same but yet some won't get jellybean when others do.
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I don't really see Samsung shifting to Tizen, its more of a side project.
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Censura_Umbra said:
Maybe they are having moto rush them for a June launch. Seeing as they have no more nexus 4s
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Yeah what the heck is going on with that.
Im thinking the nexus 4 is going to be great. Even Google preview video with the guy talking about the nexus phone being the best nexus and abandoning other nexus from the past and now they "ditch it" within 3 months.
First off. Google should never have contracted with LG. You are a big company with big demands for a high profile device and lg can't make more than 5 for launch.
The N4 on Play has "sold out" tattooed on it since an hour after launch.
Samsung had the same with the s3 but it took one month then it was back in stock and never left.
I gotta say LG dropped the ball on this one.
http://www.androidauthority.com/nex...focusing-smartphones-nexus-5-included-146707/

I sure hope that they don't call the family of products "X what ever" because it almost sounds like a ripoff of apple and all of their "i products". That would be like Google referring to android as "Aos". Very lame.... Nexus just sounds better and means connection or link. That's a pretty cool name, that your product is your link to the world.
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The nexus brand has always had "X" as the logo.
My Nexus one had the X boot animation. So an X phone is still very relevant to Google and if they are going to start manufacturing their own hardware it makes sense to distance themselves from the existing nexus program.
New age.
New name.

I dont see that happening anytime soon. As someone above me said, Google just launched the Nexus family and people are beginning to recognize the name "Nexus". Why would they abandon that ?
Also, Samsung is certainly not moving away from Android. They are hitting record sales with their Galaxy line of phones and theres no point in ditching Android.
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HTC kills the One S

http://androidandme.com/2013/07/dev...ves-android-4-1-broken-promises-at-the-scene/
Now I know the One S is a mid range, but this will further hurt HTC. There aren't to many people who have faith in HTC regarding this news. What are you guys thoughts?
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XaoSilentrzk said:
http://androidandme.com/2013/07/dev...ves-android-4-1-broken-promises-at-the-scene/
Now I know the One S is a mid range, but this will further hurt HTC. There aren't to many people who have faith in HTC regarding this news. What are you guys thoughts?
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htc one will be dead in a year too

XaoSilentrzk said:
http://androidandme.com/2013/07/dev...ves-android-4-1-broken-promises-at-the-scene/
Now I know the One S is a mid range, but this will further hurt HTC. There aren't to many people who have faith in HTC regarding this news. What are you guys thoughts?
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I don't think too many people mind, to be honest. You're going to get a huge responder bias in terms of people responding to this issue (namely, it's going to be people who actually care about the updates and know of the One S' existence). It's a sweet looking phone and this is too bad, but I don't think HTC's going to bleed much from this issue.
Don't quite agree with above poster: I'd be surprised though if it went two years, but I do think it'll last more than one.

The only major complain I have from HTC is with their device support for updates. Any news about one X ? I hope it is getting 4.2.2 with sense 5. Otherwise I will lose faith in HTC.
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Rirere said:
I don't think too many people mind, to be honest. You're going to get a huge responder bias in terms of people responding to this issue (namely, it's going to be people who actually care about the updates and know of the One S' existence). It's a sweet looking phone and this is too bad, but I don't think HTC's going to bleed much from this issue.
Don't quite agree with above poster: I'd be surprised though if it went two years, but I do think it'll last more than one.
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Dude you're missing the point. The One S isn't supported but the far significantly weaker Galaxy S2 is? That makes no sense and shows HTC could care less about supporting the already released devices. First it was the desire HD fiasco, then the One X bad unit fiasco, the EVO3D extra slow update fiasco, now this. It's bad PR and world of mouth for them.
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XaoSilentrzk said:
Dude you're missing the point. The One S isn't supported but the far significantly weaker Galaxy S2 is? That makes no sense and shows HTC could care less about supporting the already released devices. First it was the desire HD fiasco, then the One X bad unit fiasco, the EVO3D extra slow update fiasco, now this. It's bad PR and world of mouth for them.
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Not really, no. You've missed the far bigger issue-- two, actually.
Comparing the Galaxy SII to the One S is apples to oranges. The One S is a mid-tier handset launched in a handful of markets without a strong brand name or marketing campaign to its name. While an excellent phone, its adoption numbers were never great. The Galaxy SII might be older, but it has been launched in many more markets, on many more carriers, and perhaps most importantly it was a Samsung flagship device. And as a flagship, it's going to see a lot more attention than a midrange phone-- even if it now is today's midrange device.
That's practically a side note though compared to the real issue. The majority of Android customers do not care about updates. No poll you will ever conduct on XDA or any Android or mobile enthusiast site is going to matter in this regard, because the representative responder bias is ridiculously, ludicrously high. So long as a device is current "enough" (that is, it supports most apps in the Play Store), consumers are none the wiser for each Android update, and chalk new features to a new phone.
Oh, and considering the contract upgrade cycle, people care even less. Even on the iOS side where you can expect an update rather regularly, most individual users will shrug their shoulders unless the update breaks something.
Simply put: yes, this will raise a stink in the developer community, and anyone maybe one step removed from a developer/enthusiast. But is it going to change the market? No, and even if it did it wouldn't hold a candle to the impact HTC and Samsung/s gross disparity in marketing reserves will have.

Nonetheless, any way you slice it... Bad move for HTC. I lurked over to their forums (One S) and many users are pissed
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Not really, no. You've missed the far bigger issue-- two, actually.
Comparing the Galaxy SII to the One S is apples to oranges. The One S is a mid-tier handset launched in a handful of markets without a strong brand name or marketing campaign to its name. While an excellent phone, its adoption numbers were never great. The Galaxy SII might be older, but it has been launched in many more markets, on many more carriers, and perhaps most importantly it was a Samsung flagship device. And as a flagship, it's going to see a lot more attention than a midrange phone-- even if it now is today's midrange device.
That's practically a side note though compared to the real issue. The majority of Android customers do not care about updates. No poll you will ever conduct on XDA or any Android or mobile enthusiast site is going to matter in this regard, because the representative responder bias is ridiculously, ludicrously high. So long as a device is current "enough" (that is, it supports most apps in the Play Store), consumers are none the wiser for each Android update, and chalk new features to a new phone.
Oh, and considering the contract upgrade cycle, people care even less. Even on the iOS side where you can expect an update rather regularly, most individual users will shrug their shoulders unless the update breaks something.
Simply put: yes, this will raise a stink in the developer community, and anyone maybe one step removed from a developer/enthusiast. But is it going to change the market? No, and even if it did it wouldn't hold a candle to the impact HTC and Samsung/s gross disparity in marketing reserves will have.
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This says it. I just wonder though why the people who are stating such bad history by their own opinions still posting from yet another HTC? But hey. I like HTC. I font keep one handset over 6-12 months anyway. So...no worries. But hope you all settle to the reality that once a device is sent its share of updates and fixes and complaints stop in huge forms they will move on. Your buying the handset with firmware as is. They are only entitled to fix what's broken not add stuff the new devices have. That's bad business 101. They are just that. Big business.
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Nonetheless, any way you slice it... Bad move for HTC. I lurked over to their forums (One S) and many users are pissed
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Well, let me think...a forum of people who use the One S, care enough to sign up on a forum, and not just any forum, on the XDA One S forum (and others), and...what do you have there? Respondent bias! I don't think you get it: for the vast, vast majority of users out there, they do not know enough to care.
And no, it's not an "any way you slice it" situation. Basic economics dictate that you take the best option over a given time horizon. Believe it or not, that does in fact factor in things like customer loyalty and brand name. I have precious little doubt that there were serious discussions about updating the One S, particularly given how much contrary information there was in the beginning of this process. At the end of the day, several things are readily apparent.
1) For good or bad reasons, Sense 5.x was designed for newer processors than the one in the HTC One S.
2) Consequently, HTC needed to both the underlying Android firmware to 4.2 (and if you're going to say "4.1 to 4.2 was such a minor update", think about what "minor" can mean distributed over x number of handsets running different software, in different locations, and in the hands of users of wildly varying degrees of proficiency-- and think of what happened during the 4.2 upgrade for many devices ["my tablet is so slowwwww" "my battery sucks!"]) and backport Sense 5.0 to an older processor design. When you're doing optimization, that's not easy.
3) The HTC One S is a phone that's a generation behind. It never enjoyed the same success as equivalent Samsung models, either.
4) No One S units are still being sold as new stock: HTC gains no further revenue from selling these handsets.
5) HTC's One has been released inside the envelope for contract upgrades for a large number of people who used HTC's last "great" product line.
HTC is going to put its resources where it can earn money. Right now, it doesn't really have time or stamina to try and maintain phones that it essentially jettisoned by going all-in on the HTC One.

Well... Sucks for those guys
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Well, let me think...a forum of people who use the One S, care enough to sign up on a forum, and not just any forum, on the XDA One S forum (and others), and...what do you have there? Respondent bias! I don't think you get it: for the vast, vast majority of users out there, they do not know enough to care.
And no, it's not an "any way you slice it" situation. Basic economics dictate that you take the best option over a given time horizon. Believe it or not, that does in fact factor in things like customer loyalty and brand name. I have precious little doubt that there were serious discussions about updating the One S, particularly given how much contrary information there was in the beginning of this process. At the end of the day, several things are readily apparent.
1) For good or bad reasons, Sense 5.x was designed for newer processors than the one in the HTC One S.
2) Consequently, HTC needed to both the underlying Android firmware to 4.2 (and if you're going to say "4.1 to 4.2 was such a minor update", think about what "minor" can mean distributed over x number of handsets running different software, in different locations, and in the hands of users of wildly varying degrees of proficiency-- and think of what happened during the 4.2 upgrade for many devices ["my tablet is so slowwwww" "my battery sucks!"]) and backport Sense 5.0 to an older processor design. When you're doing optimization, that's not easy.
3) The HTC One S is a phone that's a generation behind. It never enjoyed the same success as equivalent Samsung models, either.
4) No One S units are still being sold as new stock: HTC gains no further revenue from selling these handsets.
5) HTC's One has been released inside the envelope for contract upgrades for a large number of people who used HTC's last "great" product line.
HTC is going to put its resources where it can earn money. Right now, it doesn't really have time or stamina to try and maintain phones that it essentially jettisoned by going all-in on the HTC One.
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Well the HTC one s came out the same time as the one x. So I don't get what you're trying to say. The one s can easily run sense 5. It has a dual core snapdragon processor with 1gb of ram
Sense 5 has a very low memory footprint, even less than sense 4.
Not trying to make Samsung look good, but they do a better job in updating their old phones to the best of their ability.
Lets see how you'll feel next year when HTC does the same thing to you. Don't believe me? The track record speaks for itself.
Saying that HTC will only put resources where they can earn money is very short sighted and not a way a smartphone company should do business, plus killing a phone in one year is unheard of. If you accept these practises then don't say anything when your investment gets killed off and forgotten next spring
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flex360 said:
Well the HTC one s came out the same time as the one x. So I don't get what you're trying to say. The one s can easily run sense 5. It has a dual core snapdragon processor with 1gb of ram
Sense 5 has a very low memory footprint, even less than sense 4.
Not trying to make Samsung look good, but they do a better job in updating their old phones to the best of their ability.
Lets see how you'll feel next year when HTC does the same thing to you. Don't believe me? The track record speaks for itself.
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I don't think you're really following the points.
1. Not relevant. The One S was aimed at a different market sector, almost specifically so (small carriers, mid-range specs). That it came out at the same time as the One X is about as useful as saying any one of Samsung's SII variants were released at the same time as the SIII (or more appropriately, the lower-spec'd SIII variants with the SIII proper). Temporal proximity is by far and away not a useful way of measuring Android updates if the past is anything to go by.
2. Sure, the One S could run Sense 5.0. Not the problem here. It's not even an issue of whether or not the One S would run it well. For a business, the question isn't really "can x do y," it's "can x do y and generate enough utility to be worthwhile?" So many people on this forum seem to think that these companies push updates out of goodwill. When they do push updates, it's a very calculated decision.
3. Sure. Samsung's also got the luxury of an enormous war chest right now. When it comes down to resources, HTC's flat out not going to be able to match Samsung. That's with little judgment on either company as a phonemaker, but simply a point of fact. HTC is trying to focus in on a few handsets to preserve itself as best as it can, and updating older phones that sold in small quantities isn't part of that mission statement.
4. To be quite honest, I'm absolutely uncertain what you're trying to prove with this one. For one (har), I'd be more interested in seeing how HTC acts with regards to the One X, which is comparable to the One (both have flagship status, after all) than the One S. For another, given HTC's major push on this single phone (there's no comparison between the One and the One X/S/V/SV in terms of marketing), I would be surprised if they didn't try to support this to the same extent as any Samsung flagship.
But the bigger thing that I find funny here is that you act like it's relevant to me. Newsflash: it's not. It's not as though Sprint users are strangers to slow updates, and once my contract is up I'll probably go prepaid GSM or unlock my One and use it for cell/text only with no data, again on GSM. The One was the most interesting phone available to me after my Galaxy Nexus, and I'll enjoy the phone for what it's worth. As an electronics collector though, I'm fairly accustomed to buying new kit from year to year, so hey, small matter.

Rirere said:
I don't think you're really following the points.
1. Not relevant. The One S was aimed at a different market sector, almost specifically so (small carriers, mid-range specs). That it came out at the same time as the One X is about as useful as saying any one of Samsung's SII variants were released at the same time as the SIII (or more appropriately, the lower-spec'd SIII variants with the SIII proper). Temporal proximity is by far and away not a useful way of measuring Android updates if the past is anything to go by.
2. Sure, the One S could run Sense 5.0. Not the problem here. It's not even an issue of whether or not the One S would run it well. For a business, the question isn't really "can x do y," it's "can x do y and generate enough utility to be worthwhile?" So many people on this forum seem to think that these companies push updates out of goodwill. When they do push updates, it's a very calculated decision.
3. Sure. Samsung's also got the luxury of an enormous war chest right now. When it comes down to resources, HTC's flat out not going to be able to match Samsung. That's with little judgment on either company as a phonemaker, but simply a point of fact. HTC is trying to focus in on a few handsets to preserve itself as best as it can, and updating older phones that sold in small quantities isn't part of that mission statement.
4. To be quite honest, I'm absolutely uncertain what you're trying to prove with this one. For one (har), I'd be more interested in seeing how HTC acts with regards to the One X, which is comparable to the One (both have flagship status, after all) than the One S. For another, given HTC's major push on this single phone (there's no comparison between the One and the One X/S/V/SV in terms of marketing), I would be surprised if they didn't try to support this to the same extent as any Samsung flagship.
But the bigger thing that I find funny here is that you act like it's relevant to me. Newsflash: it's not. It's not as though Sprint users are strangers to slow updates, and once my contract is up I'll probably go prepaid GSM or unlock my One and use it for cell/text only with no data, again on GSM. The One was the most interesting phone available to me after my Galaxy Nexus, and I'll enjoy the phone for what it's worth. As an electronics collector though, I'm fairly accustomed to buying new kit from year to year, so hey, small matter.
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You could write 10 more paragraphs but you still will be writing a wall of nonsense
A phone should not be killed off in a year, and that's my point.
More power to you if you want to buy a new phone every year.
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flex360 said:
You could write 10 more paragraphs but you still will be writing a wall of nonsense
A phone should not be killed off in a year, and that's my point.
More power to you if you want to buy a new phone every year.
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And you can be as dismissive and naive as you want, but you're still lacking for answers.
Sure, I agree: a phone shouldn't be killed off in a year. I have a similar belief for computers. Doesn't change the fact that any device will be outdated in six months, and that a company has very little interest in doing anything that would keep you from buying a new device.
But hey, more power to you if you naively believe that equipment manufacturers are going to work against a profit motive.

I'm going to say I'm riding with Flex here
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Yea s2 went from
2.3
4.0
And recently 4.1.2
E3d 2.3
4.0.4
So i just hope we get more than one goddamn major update or ill be leaving htc for good
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I'm going to say I'm riding with Flex here
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I'm not. Rirere is right. The One S was a mid range phone and with that you will always get LESS which is why it costs less. One of those "lesses" is you aren't going to get cutting edge support that you should get with a flagship device. (I say should because the E3D was supposedly a flagship device and we got seriously boned on that one.)
Raising a stink over a midrange phone that never sold all that well to begin with is silly and if I had bought one I'd accept that fact. I'd go "well, it really wasn't the top model anyway, oh well."
I don't think this will hurt HTC AT ALL and it shouldn't. Sucks for the 9 people who bought a HOS and not a HOX. Lol
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XaoSilentrzk said:
I'm going to say I'm riding with Flex here
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Brown noser
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felacio said:
I'm not. Rirere is right. The One S was a mid range phone and with that you will always get LESS which is why it costs less. One of those "lesses" is you aren't going to get cutting edge support that you should get with a flagship device. (I say should because the E3D was supposedly a flagship device and we got seriously boned on that one.)
Raising a stink over a midrange phone that never sold all that well to begin with is silly and if I had bought one I'd accept that fact. I'd go "well, it really wasn't the top model anyway, oh well."
I don't think this will hurt HTC AT ALL and it shouldn't. Sucks for the 9 people who bought a HOS and not a HOX. Lol
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Pretty much, which in my opinion is a real damn shame because the One S was my first prolonged encounter with HTC phones. I was interning with a security firm last summer and doing some device testing, and out of all the phones I got to play with (including the Galaxy S III and the HTC One X), the One S was by far and away my favorite of the bunch. I'm actually not at all sure why they didn't use its design as the "premium" handset-- the lighter, slick polycarbonate on the One X felt decidedly less comfortable in the hand and I never actually got used to how I had to hold the One X to use it.
Still, such is life. I'd love it if Key Lime Pie had manufacturers segment off their skins as true "overlays" on stock Android, and thus allowed updates to roll out from Google. Given the company's aggressive severance of services from the underlying Android base though, this issue could well be moot in a few more product cycles, which is equally interesting.

felacio said:
I'm not. Rirere is right. The One S was a mid range phone and with that you will always get LESS which is why it costs less. One of those "lesses" is you aren't going to get cutting edge support that you should get with a flagship device. (I say should because the E3D was supposedly a flagship device and we got seriously boned on that one.)
Raising a stink over a midrange phone that never sold all that well to begin with is silly and if I had bought one I'd accept that fact. I'd go "well, it really wasn't the top model anyway, oh well."
I don't think this will hurt HTC AT ALL and it shouldn't. Sucks for the 9 people who bought a HOS and not a HOX. Lol
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Explain the desire HD fiasco then, explain the HTC thunderbolt fiasco... Dude accept it... HTC is slacking.
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[q] google to discontinue the nexus line???

no more nexus phones in 2015??
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57617858-251/google-could-swap-nexus-line-with-google-play-by-2015/
https://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/427697036008251393
http://bgr.com/2014/01/27/google-nexus-discontinued-rumor/
please tell me its just a hoax and not true becouse googleplay editions are expensive almost as buying the oem bloatwared one.

GE program didn't even exist a 18 months ago, I'm sure it'd still an evolving question.
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1st. I don't trust any "he said, he said."
2nd. Its Twitter. No reliable info comes from Twitter besides evleaks and even he's been wrong a lot of times.
3rd. If this were true all Android sites would have info on this. I'd have post by The Verge flooding my FB/Twitter timeline.
Rumors will be rumors.
The whole point of Nexus devices is to provide affordable high end devices with stock android to the public.
Why would i pay 600$+ for a phone with no contract? Might as well get tied to a carrier and pay 200$ for the phone, root it, and install GPE ROMs
It would be beyond stupid if Google discontinued the Nexus line and just provide GPE phones.
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Sales are good on Nexus line up...
Here in India, still there is a demand for Nexus 5...
Google aint that dum to drop it just like that

Well then if you buy phone with contract to cut the price you get, sim locked, branded phone without possibility to unlock boot loader,(no custom kernels, no aosp based roms..)it happened to me with xperia S, i was able only to root it and flash roms based on sony stock firmware & kernel.
Lets hope it wont happen
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Google is selling Motorola to Lenovo. Now more than ever they need Nexus devices. They are now the only mobile OS manufacturer that does not also make their own hardware.
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Google is selling Motorola to Lenovo. Now more than ever they need Nexus devices. They are now the only mobile OS manufacturer that does not also make their own hardware.
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They don't really "need" it at all though. Profits are sky high, and it isn't because of the Nexus line. It's because they have five different manufacturers making their smart phones for them, and that still includes Motorolovo. Best of all, the (by far) biggest player in the Android field, Samsung, is their best friend. If they do continue the Nexus deal, it'll probably be some Samsung variant, which would be a benefit to then even more.
But they've got Google Edition phones now anyway that make higher profit margins anyway. So there's really no point other than to please the million or so (out of billions of smartphone users) fans of pure Android.
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They don't really "need" it at all though. Profits are sky high, and it isn't because of the Nexus line. It's because they have five different manufacturers making their smart phones for them, and that still includes Motorolovo. Best of all, the (by far) biggest player in the Android field, Samsung, is their best friend. If they do continue the Nexus deal, it'll probably be some Samsung variant, which would be a benefit to then even more.
But they've got Google Edition phones now anyway that make higher profit margins anyway. So there's really no point other than to please the million or so (out of billions of smartphone users) fans of pure Android.
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So you think Samsung has been working on Tizen because of how much they love Google? Samsung has kind of already stated that they're not happy with Google basically dictating the direction of Android. If Samsung stopped making Android phones tomorrow, it would be a loss, but wouldn't kill them. It would kill Android. Samsung has a staggering 63% of the Android market. Do you think all those Galaxy owners would care if Tizen was on the Galaxy S 5? Would they even know?
Lenovo ALREADY makes Android phones. I really don't know why they wanted to buy Motorola when Google kept the patents. Something about the US market, which doesn't make sense again because Lenovo is extremely well-regarded here. Possibly they bought them for the contracts they have.
http://www.zdnet.com/googles-motorola-mobility-detour-running-the-numbers-7000025784/
Google Play Edition phones have been a big bust. Consumers have not responded to them specifically because they cannot be purchased subsidised. The promise of quick updates was also a laugh. KitKat for Nexus 4 (!) came out in November, and HTC One is JUST NOW getting it. They also DO NOT make a higher profit margin, you don't understand how subsidies work if you think that.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57592282-94/are-the-google-play-edition-smartphones-worth-it/
The point of Google needing Nexus devices is for developers. This was the whole purpose of the Nexus line. I know people like you probably see Nexus as a consumer device for pure Google, but that's simply not true. Nexus devices are essential to bypass carriers and phone manufacturers who drag their feet on updates because they don't care about older phones, just getting you to buy a new one. Nexus devices are so developers can code for and test against Android releases. Do you REALLY think Google can release Android and wait until Samsung decides to make a product with it? Have you seen how long it takes phone manufacturers to release updates? There are still phones out there on Ice Cream Sandwich waiting for promised Jellybean updates when KitKat is here!
BTW, Google makes NO MONEY on Android. Android had no licencing fee. Doesn't matter if there is 2 phone makers or 200. They only make money on Google Play, which relies on developers being able to code for Android.
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If Samsung stopped making Android phones tomorrow, it would be a loss, but wouldn't kill them. It would kill Android. Samsung has a staggering 63% of the Android market.
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Definitely not. Maybe a few years ago that would have been true, but people are already used to android and won't leave it just because one of the many android phone producers stopped making them.

That post was wrong all over, but i'll try to work with it.
Given the deal Google just hashed out with Samsung, wherein they'll be sharing all their patents for the next ten years, I'd say that partnership is going nowhere. And i'd say right now their relationship is fantastic. This isn't conjecture, either. Google and Samsung weren't happy with one another until very recently, as you say. Google bought Motorola which created a conflict of interest for other OEMs like Samsung, and Samsung was essentially threatening to fork Android or roll with Tizen.
Neither was going to follow through with those threats, though. It was a stand off, because both companies mobile divisions would be ****ed otherwise. Mutually assured destruction. Yes, people would notice when they had no Google Play store and had hack job apps from whatever store Samsung rolled out which didnt have anywhere near the requisite apps to compete. That's why Samsung is bailing on the magazine UI it recently unveiled too, and why they're going to slow down work on Tizen. There's a general assumption that Google sold Motorola because that patent partnership with Samsung also had an unwritten agreement to do just that.
Lenovo? The deal makes sense for them if it works. They penetrate the US mobile market as a Chinese company, which has been extremely difficult. Some people know about Lenovo, but it isn't a household name. Motorola is. Brand recognition and a company they can scale up was all they wanted. They got it, and that's that.
A developers phone? Dude, this isn't 2009, the Nexus line isn't just intended for developers anymore. Head onto Google's own website and check out their ad pitches for the phone. "Takes great pics! Share with friends easily! Google Now experience and Maps!" That's not pitching to developers, at all. Devs will get whatever phones they want, perhaps even iPhones, because you don't need a Nexus to dev. At all. They're hardly related.
To my knowledge, the Google Play editions of phones aren't subsidized. They are, however, much more expensive than a Nexus 4 or 5. An S4 might cost about the same to build as a Nexus 5, but it's selling for considerably more. 340 vs 600 iirc.
I would assume that updates would show up with the same pace as ever on Android. That is to say, late or never. Only us nerds suffer, most people don't even notice.
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They make a TON of money off of Android.
They don't do it for charity or just to make other people money.
Android to them is all about getting people to use their services and in many markets just to get people online. So they can use Google services / generate ad revenue....

Nexus still is a developer phone in first place. Yes, google has changed their selling strategy but still it's mainly intresting for developers.
And no, it's not right that devs can develope on every phone. Look onto the comments in play store on many apps these days.
Many of them complain about problems with 4.4.x because these developer have no Nexus phone and their phone don't have a 4.4 update.
With a nexus phone, devs can develope for a wider range of android versions and check for problems with particular versions then with any other phone.
For instant:
a developer with a Nexus 4 can test his application against 4.2,4.3 and 4.4 because all these versions exists for the Nexus 4. Can you do this with an Samsung S4 ? Simple answer: No (I only talk about factory images, so stock roms, not custom roms). And a dev can get 2 Nexus phones for the price of one S4 btw. so he can get for instant the Samsung Galaxy for ICS and the JellyBean till 4.2 and the Nexus 4 for 4.2 to 4.4 for the same money.... you see what I mean ?
And developing for the Android marked on an iPhone ? iOS and Android don't have even the same codebase, You can't develope for Android on an iOS System or the other way around. That's why most small devs only have their App on iOS or Android but not on both because they would need both types of phones/Tablets and have to develope their app in two complete diffent systems...
So in the end, the Nexus line helps Google to make a big bunch of money not by the phone but on helping the App-Devs to develope for their Market. if they would end this Line, they would kill some developement on the App section and theirfore cut some of their moneymaking in that area.
And regarding "consumer phone", I think, they make the Nexus Line more consumer oriented to cut some of their developement costs down. Because to bring a new Nexus phone onto the marked costs them a not so small dollar for developement etc. So they make it more wider for the consumer to sell more devices and theirfore minimize the loss in that department.

Perhaps I should have phrased my comments about a dev being able to get any phone differently. I was referring to a developer getting any phone for his leisure phone because while it is definitely nice to have a Nexus, it isn't necessary. Developers run through a plethora of phones when making an app or ROM, that's life. Will the Nexus allow them to reach a large audience? Yep, but it still isn't 100% necessary. Not every Android dev needs a Nexus, and not even remotely close to every Nexus owner is a developer.
The phones have traditionally been considered developer phones, but that changed entirely with the Nexus 4, and I think Google said as much. They're just not targeting developers alone, which was the main point I was making. This phone is used predominantly by the average consumer. Let's assume they sell 2 million of these things, though the number is definitely higher. If they've sold that many, and let's say EVERY android developer owns a Nexus (they don't), it still wouldn't equate to a quarter of their sales
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Nexus 6 and Nexus 8 spotted in Chromium Code

Nexus 6 and Nexus 8 hints.
Source: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+FlorianKiersch/posts/5ZH5pVA41QJ
Moar:
https://codereview.chromium.org/350...r/devtools/devtools_adb_bridge_browsertest.cc
https://codereview.chromium.org/208013003/diff/150001/chrome/test/data/webui/inspect_ui_test.js
https://codereview.chromium.org/257...s/device/adb/adb_client_socket_browsertest.cc

This is really interesting but one cannot believe this completely. Someone could have replaced the code and anyone would believe it.
But let's hope it is what we see? Nice find. If this thread becomes a discussion. I can already see the threads future.
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I highly believe in this thread being correct about the Nexus 6 and 8. All signs have pointed to it for a while now. If we're to believe the Android Silver news then these will be the last "Nexus" devices.
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Definitely some great possibilities...

I think I heard the OnePlus One hype train derail...

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I think I heard the OnePlus One hype train derail...
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It died when they mentioned they partnered up with Cyanogenmod. As much as we love what CM has done for the community it's not what it used to be.
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TheLastSidekick said:
It died when they mentioned they partnered up with Cyanogenmod. As much as we love what CM has done for the community it's not what it used to be.
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Yes, that bothered me too. What killed it for me though was all the stupid hype. I snapped when they touted the fact the their phone was the first phone with right side mounted stereo speakers. Who the hell brags about such an asinine feature... lol

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It died when they mentioned they partnered up with Cyanogenmod.
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I disagree. Although CM isn't my choice and I never run it on any of my devices, we all know how much easier it is to develop for a device that is also supported by Cyanogenmod. This makes it an interesting prospect for me and other people who are into ROMs etc. Trying to get that first pure AOSP build is going to be much easier, providing the fundamentals CM use are open sourced / blobbed etc

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It died when they mentioned they partnered up with Cyanogenmod. As much as we love what CM has done for the community it's not what it used to be.
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Yes, Cyanogenmod isn't what it used to be, but don't you think it is better than atleast touchwiz/xperia/sense ? OPPO have a ****ty ColorOS(tried N1 and it didn't have the performance N5 have). I'm sure with cyanogenmod, this is the best we can have.

I heard a lot of people saying the Nexus 8 might be an HTC tablet.

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I heard a lot of people saying the Nexus 8 might be an HTC tablet.
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Yes, it is assumed that is what the device called htc/flounder in AOSP is referring to. At this point it is more than a rumor.

Will be interested to see what Google has up their sleeves for the rumored final Nexus phone, and what it will be called (isn't Nexus 6 copywrited?). I'd love to see a smaller footprint device, with a 5" screen, like what you would see if the Moto X had a 5" screen. The device would probably be Galaxy Nexus sized.
If OnePlus makes a smaller phone, I'll probably start going with those (assuming Google stops the Nexus line, and no longer offers subsidized phones), since the support should be incredible, and the price would be right where we would expect a Nexus device to be.

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Will be interested to see what Google has up their sleeves for the rumored final Nexus phone, and what it will be called (isn't Nexus 6 copywrited?). I'd love to see a smaller footprint device, with a 5" screen, like what you would see if the Moto X had a 5" screen. The device would probably be Galaxy Nexus sized.
If OnePlus makes a smaller phone, I'll probably start going with those (assuming Google stops the Nexus line, and no longer offers subsidized phones), since the support should be incredible, and the price would be right where we would expect a Nexus device to be.
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I hope that OnePlus succeeds, I've read articles about how they can't even provide phones or accessories to the 100 contest winners. Some got an empty box, while others got the phone wrapped up in bubble wrap without anything else...

It does seem that the OnePlus One hype has died down and fast. Maybe this was proof that super cheap flagship phones cannot be done reliability.
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I hope that OnePlus succeeds, I've read articles about how they can't even provide phones or accessories to the 100 contest winners. Some got an empty box, while others got the phone wrapped up in bubble wrap without anything else...
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Only one person got an empty box, and that was because it was stolen by an employee of the shipping company. OnePlus swiftly turned another phone around for him.
Source: Android Authority
As for the bubble wrap and no accessories:
As much as we would have preferred one of our first Smash the Past winners to have shared the unboxing of the One with everybody, we didn't have the boxes and accessories ready at the time we had to ship the phones to our warehouses in Europe and the US to be right on schedule. Since we didn't want our fans to wait any longer, we notified all our 100 smashers that they would receive the entire package later this month.
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Source: OnePlus forum