http://androidandme.com/2013/07/dev...ves-android-4-1-broken-promises-at-the-scene/
Now I know the One S is a mid range, but this will further hurt HTC. There aren't to many people who have faith in HTC regarding this news. What are you guys thoughts?
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http://androidandme.com/2013/07/dev...ves-android-4-1-broken-promises-at-the-scene/
Now I know the One S is a mid range, but this will further hurt HTC. There aren't to many people who have faith in HTC regarding this news. What are you guys thoughts?
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htc one will be dead in a year too
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http://androidandme.com/2013/07/dev...ves-android-4-1-broken-promises-at-the-scene/
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I don't think too many people mind, to be honest. You're going to get a huge responder bias in terms of people responding to this issue (namely, it's going to be people who actually care about the updates and know of the One S' existence). It's a sweet looking phone and this is too bad, but I don't think HTC's going to bleed much from this issue.
Don't quite agree with above poster: I'd be surprised though if it went two years, but I do think it'll last more than one.
The only major complain I have from HTC is with their device support for updates. Any news about one X ? I hope it is getting 4.2.2 with sense 5. Otherwise I will lose faith in HTC.
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I don't think too many people mind, to be honest. You're going to get a huge responder bias in terms of people responding to this issue (namely, it's going to be people who actually care about the updates and know of the One S' existence). It's a sweet looking phone and this is too bad, but I don't think HTC's going to bleed much from this issue.
Don't quite agree with above poster: I'd be surprised though if it went two years, but I do think it'll last more than one.
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Dude you're missing the point. The One S isn't supported but the far significantly weaker Galaxy S2 is? That makes no sense and shows HTC could care less about supporting the already released devices. First it was the desire HD fiasco, then the One X bad unit fiasco, the EVO3D extra slow update fiasco, now this. It's bad PR and world of mouth for them.
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Dude you're missing the point. The One S isn't supported but the far significantly weaker Galaxy S2 is? That makes no sense and shows HTC could care less about supporting the already released devices. First it was the desire HD fiasco, then the One X bad unit fiasco, the EVO3D extra slow update fiasco, now this. It's bad PR and world of mouth for them.
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Not really, no. You've missed the far bigger issue-- two, actually.
Comparing the Galaxy SII to the One S is apples to oranges. The One S is a mid-tier handset launched in a handful of markets without a strong brand name or marketing campaign to its name. While an excellent phone, its adoption numbers were never great. The Galaxy SII might be older, but it has been launched in many more markets, on many more carriers, and perhaps most importantly it was a Samsung flagship device. And as a flagship, it's going to see a lot more attention than a midrange phone-- even if it now is today's midrange device.
That's practically a side note though compared to the real issue. The majority of Android customers do not care about updates. No poll you will ever conduct on XDA or any Android or mobile enthusiast site is going to matter in this regard, because the representative responder bias is ridiculously, ludicrously high. So long as a device is current "enough" (that is, it supports most apps in the Play Store), consumers are none the wiser for each Android update, and chalk new features to a new phone.
Oh, and considering the contract upgrade cycle, people care even less. Even on the iOS side where you can expect an update rather regularly, most individual users will shrug their shoulders unless the update breaks something.
Simply put: yes, this will raise a stink in the developer community, and anyone maybe one step removed from a developer/enthusiast. But is it going to change the market? No, and even if it did it wouldn't hold a candle to the impact HTC and Samsung/s gross disparity in marketing reserves will have.
Nonetheless, any way you slice it... Bad move for HTC. I lurked over to their forums (One S) and many users are pissed
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Not really, no. You've missed the far bigger issue-- two, actually.
Comparing the Galaxy SII to the One S is apples to oranges. The One S is a mid-tier handset launched in a handful of markets without a strong brand name or marketing campaign to its name. While an excellent phone, its adoption numbers were never great. The Galaxy SII might be older, but it has been launched in many more markets, on many more carriers, and perhaps most importantly it was a Samsung flagship device. And as a flagship, it's going to see a lot more attention than a midrange phone-- even if it now is today's midrange device.
That's practically a side note though compared to the real issue. The majority of Android customers do not care about updates. No poll you will ever conduct on XDA or any Android or mobile enthusiast site is going to matter in this regard, because the representative responder bias is ridiculously, ludicrously high. So long as a device is current "enough" (that is, it supports most apps in the Play Store), consumers are none the wiser for each Android update, and chalk new features to a new phone.
Oh, and considering the contract upgrade cycle, people care even less. Even on the iOS side where you can expect an update rather regularly, most individual users will shrug their shoulders unless the update breaks something.
Simply put: yes, this will raise a stink in the developer community, and anyone maybe one step removed from a developer/enthusiast. But is it going to change the market? No, and even if it did it wouldn't hold a candle to the impact HTC and Samsung/s gross disparity in marketing reserves will have.
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This says it. I just wonder though why the people who are stating such bad history by their own opinions still posting from yet another HTC? But hey. I like HTC. I font keep one handset over 6-12 months anyway. So...no worries. But hope you all settle to the reality that once a device is sent its share of updates and fixes and complaints stop in huge forms they will move on. Your buying the handset with firmware as is. They are only entitled to fix what's broken not add stuff the new devices have. That's bad business 101. They are just that. Big business.
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Nonetheless, any way you slice it... Bad move for HTC. I lurked over to their forums (One S) and many users are pissed
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Well, let me think...a forum of people who use the One S, care enough to sign up on a forum, and not just any forum, on the XDA One S forum (and others), and...what do you have there? Respondent bias! I don't think you get it: for the vast, vast majority of users out there, they do not know enough to care.
And no, it's not an "any way you slice it" situation. Basic economics dictate that you take the best option over a given time horizon. Believe it or not, that does in fact factor in things like customer loyalty and brand name. I have precious little doubt that there were serious discussions about updating the One S, particularly given how much contrary information there was in the beginning of this process. At the end of the day, several things are readily apparent.
1) For good or bad reasons, Sense 5.x was designed for newer processors than the one in the HTC One S.
2) Consequently, HTC needed to both the underlying Android firmware to 4.2 (and if you're going to say "4.1 to 4.2 was such a minor update", think about what "minor" can mean distributed over x number of handsets running different software, in different locations, and in the hands of users of wildly varying degrees of proficiency-- and think of what happened during the 4.2 upgrade for many devices ["my tablet is so slowwwww" "my battery sucks!"]) and backport Sense 5.0 to an older processor design. When you're doing optimization, that's not easy.
3) The HTC One S is a phone that's a generation behind. It never enjoyed the same success as equivalent Samsung models, either.
4) No One S units are still being sold as new stock: HTC gains no further revenue from selling these handsets.
5) HTC's One has been released inside the envelope for contract upgrades for a large number of people who used HTC's last "great" product line.
HTC is going to put its resources where it can earn money. Right now, it doesn't really have time or stamina to try and maintain phones that it essentially jettisoned by going all-in on the HTC One.
Well... Sucks for those guys
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Well, let me think...a forum of people who use the One S, care enough to sign up on a forum, and not just any forum, on the XDA One S forum (and others), and...what do you have there? Respondent bias! I don't think you get it: for the vast, vast majority of users out there, they do not know enough to care.
And no, it's not an "any way you slice it" situation. Basic economics dictate that you take the best option over a given time horizon. Believe it or not, that does in fact factor in things like customer loyalty and brand name. I have precious little doubt that there were serious discussions about updating the One S, particularly given how much contrary information there was in the beginning of this process. At the end of the day, several things are readily apparent.
1) For good or bad reasons, Sense 5.x was designed for newer processors than the one in the HTC One S.
2) Consequently, HTC needed to both the underlying Android firmware to 4.2 (and if you're going to say "4.1 to 4.2 was such a minor update", think about what "minor" can mean distributed over x number of handsets running different software, in different locations, and in the hands of users of wildly varying degrees of proficiency-- and think of what happened during the 4.2 upgrade for many devices ["my tablet is so slowwwww" "my battery sucks!"]) and backport Sense 5.0 to an older processor design. When you're doing optimization, that's not easy.
3) The HTC One S is a phone that's a generation behind. It never enjoyed the same success as equivalent Samsung models, either.
4) No One S units are still being sold as new stock: HTC gains no further revenue from selling these handsets.
5) HTC's One has been released inside the envelope for contract upgrades for a large number of people who used HTC's last "great" product line.
HTC is going to put its resources where it can earn money. Right now, it doesn't really have time or stamina to try and maintain phones that it essentially jettisoned by going all-in on the HTC One.
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Well the HTC one s came out the same time as the one x. So I don't get what you're trying to say. The one s can easily run sense 5. It has a dual core snapdragon processor with 1gb of ram
Sense 5 has a very low memory footprint, even less than sense 4.
Not trying to make Samsung look good, but they do a better job in updating their old phones to the best of their ability.
Lets see how you'll feel next year when HTC does the same thing to you. Don't believe me? The track record speaks for itself.
Saying that HTC will only put resources where they can earn money is very short sighted and not a way a smartphone company should do business, plus killing a phone in one year is unheard of. If you accept these practises then don't say anything when your investment gets killed off and forgotten next spring
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Well the HTC one s came out the same time as the one x. So I don't get what you're trying to say. The one s can easily run sense 5. It has a dual core snapdragon processor with 1gb of ram
Sense 5 has a very low memory footprint, even less than sense 4.
Not trying to make Samsung look good, but they do a better job in updating their old phones to the best of their ability.
Lets see how you'll feel next year when HTC does the same thing to you. Don't believe me? The track record speaks for itself.
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I don't think you're really following the points.
1. Not relevant. The One S was aimed at a different market sector, almost specifically so (small carriers, mid-range specs). That it came out at the same time as the One X is about as useful as saying any one of Samsung's SII variants were released at the same time as the SIII (or more appropriately, the lower-spec'd SIII variants with the SIII proper). Temporal proximity is by far and away not a useful way of measuring Android updates if the past is anything to go by.
2. Sure, the One S could run Sense 5.0. Not the problem here. It's not even an issue of whether or not the One S would run it well. For a business, the question isn't really "can x do y," it's "can x do y and generate enough utility to be worthwhile?" So many people on this forum seem to think that these companies push updates out of goodwill. When they do push updates, it's a very calculated decision.
3. Sure. Samsung's also got the luxury of an enormous war chest right now. When it comes down to resources, HTC's flat out not going to be able to match Samsung. That's with little judgment on either company as a phonemaker, but simply a point of fact. HTC is trying to focus in on a few handsets to preserve itself as best as it can, and updating older phones that sold in small quantities isn't part of that mission statement.
4. To be quite honest, I'm absolutely uncertain what you're trying to prove with this one. For one (har), I'd be more interested in seeing how HTC acts with regards to the One X, which is comparable to the One (both have flagship status, after all) than the One S. For another, given HTC's major push on this single phone (there's no comparison between the One and the One X/S/V/SV in terms of marketing), I would be surprised if they didn't try to support this to the same extent as any Samsung flagship.
But the bigger thing that I find funny here is that you act like it's relevant to me. Newsflash: it's not. It's not as though Sprint users are strangers to slow updates, and once my contract is up I'll probably go prepaid GSM or unlock my One and use it for cell/text only with no data, again on GSM. The One was the most interesting phone available to me after my Galaxy Nexus, and I'll enjoy the phone for what it's worth. As an electronics collector though, I'm fairly accustomed to buying new kit from year to year, so hey, small matter.
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I don't think you're really following the points.
1. Not relevant. The One S was aimed at a different market sector, almost specifically so (small carriers, mid-range specs). That it came out at the same time as the One X is about as useful as saying any one of Samsung's SII variants were released at the same time as the SIII (or more appropriately, the lower-spec'd SIII variants with the SIII proper). Temporal proximity is by far and away not a useful way of measuring Android updates if the past is anything to go by.
2. Sure, the One S could run Sense 5.0. Not the problem here. It's not even an issue of whether or not the One S would run it well. For a business, the question isn't really "can x do y," it's "can x do y and generate enough utility to be worthwhile?" So many people on this forum seem to think that these companies push updates out of goodwill. When they do push updates, it's a very calculated decision.
3. Sure. Samsung's also got the luxury of an enormous war chest right now. When it comes down to resources, HTC's flat out not going to be able to match Samsung. That's with little judgment on either company as a phonemaker, but simply a point of fact. HTC is trying to focus in on a few handsets to preserve itself as best as it can, and updating older phones that sold in small quantities isn't part of that mission statement.
4. To be quite honest, I'm absolutely uncertain what you're trying to prove with this one. For one (har), I'd be more interested in seeing how HTC acts with regards to the One X, which is comparable to the One (both have flagship status, after all) than the One S. For another, given HTC's major push on this single phone (there's no comparison between the One and the One X/S/V/SV in terms of marketing), I would be surprised if they didn't try to support this to the same extent as any Samsung flagship.
But the bigger thing that I find funny here is that you act like it's relevant to me. Newsflash: it's not. It's not as though Sprint users are strangers to slow updates, and once my contract is up I'll probably go prepaid GSM or unlock my One and use it for cell/text only with no data, again on GSM. The One was the most interesting phone available to me after my Galaxy Nexus, and I'll enjoy the phone for what it's worth. As an electronics collector though, I'm fairly accustomed to buying new kit from year to year, so hey, small matter.
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You could write 10 more paragraphs but you still will be writing a wall of nonsense
A phone should not be killed off in a year, and that's my point.
More power to you if you want to buy a new phone every year.
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You could write 10 more paragraphs but you still will be writing a wall of nonsense
A phone should not be killed off in a year, and that's my point.
More power to you if you want to buy a new phone every year.
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And you can be as dismissive and naive as you want, but you're still lacking for answers.
Sure, I agree: a phone shouldn't be killed off in a year. I have a similar belief for computers. Doesn't change the fact that any device will be outdated in six months, and that a company has very little interest in doing anything that would keep you from buying a new device.
But hey, more power to you if you naively believe that equipment manufacturers are going to work against a profit motive.
I'm going to say I'm riding with Flex here
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So i just hope we get more than one goddamn major update or ill be leaving htc for good
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I'm going to say I'm riding with Flex here
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I'm not. Rirere is right. The One S was a mid range phone and with that you will always get LESS which is why it costs less. One of those "lesses" is you aren't going to get cutting edge support that you should get with a flagship device. (I say should because the E3D was supposedly a flagship device and we got seriously boned on that one.)
Raising a stink over a midrange phone that never sold all that well to begin with is silly and if I had bought one I'd accept that fact. I'd go "well, it really wasn't the top model anyway, oh well."
I don't think this will hurt HTC AT ALL and it shouldn't. Sucks for the 9 people who bought a HOS and not a HOX. Lol
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I'm going to say I'm riding with Flex here
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Brown noser
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I'm not. Rirere is right. The One S was a mid range phone and with that you will always get LESS which is why it costs less. One of those "lesses" is you aren't going to get cutting edge support that you should get with a flagship device. (I say should because the E3D was supposedly a flagship device and we got seriously boned on that one.)
Raising a stink over a midrange phone that never sold all that well to begin with is silly and if I had bought one I'd accept that fact. I'd go "well, it really wasn't the top model anyway, oh well."
I don't think this will hurt HTC AT ALL and it shouldn't. Sucks for the 9 people who bought a HOS and not a HOX. Lol
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Pretty much, which in my opinion is a real damn shame because the One S was my first prolonged encounter with HTC phones. I was interning with a security firm last summer and doing some device testing, and out of all the phones I got to play with (including the Galaxy S III and the HTC One X), the One S was by far and away my favorite of the bunch. I'm actually not at all sure why they didn't use its design as the "premium" handset-- the lighter, slick polycarbonate on the One X felt decidedly less comfortable in the hand and I never actually got used to how I had to hold the One X to use it.
Still, such is life. I'd love it if Key Lime Pie had manufacturers segment off their skins as true "overlays" on stock Android, and thus allowed updates to roll out from Google. Given the company's aggressive severance of services from the underlying Android base though, this issue could well be moot in a few more product cycles, which is equally interesting.
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I'm not. Rirere is right. The One S was a mid range phone and with that you will always get LESS which is why it costs less. One of those "lesses" is you aren't going to get cutting edge support that you should get with a flagship device. (I say should because the E3D was supposedly a flagship device and we got seriously boned on that one.)
Raising a stink over a midrange phone that never sold all that well to begin with is silly and if I had bought one I'd accept that fact. I'd go "well, it really wasn't the top model anyway, oh well."
I don't think this will hurt HTC AT ALL and it shouldn't. Sucks for the 9 people who bought a HOS and not a HOX. Lol
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Explain the desire HD fiasco then, explain the HTC thunderbolt fiasco... Dude accept it... HTC is slacking.
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...that there will most likely never ever be an official superphone Nexus 2?
With the online store a relative failure, we will probably have to buy new phones from our carriers (or from the manufacturers God willing) and yea...kinda sucks.
I wish Google REALLY tried to change the game and A) made sure HTC used the absolute BEST materials and hardware for the N1, B) priced it at like 300 without contract and 100 on contract and C) MARKETED THE HELL OUT OF IT
oh well... :-/
I see the Nexus one as a Massive success, personally. Check out all of the newer android phones on the market since it was released.
Compare to the HTC Hero, Samsung Moment, or Moto Droid.
Would definitely be a bummed. I was only going to buy nexus successors, with all the damn new choices all the damn time that would've given some order to my life. Plus its the only reason I renewed with t-mobile. Ill hold out hope at least until January 5th...
Nexus 2
Man that sucks, It would mean that the Nexus 1 is my last Android phone! (I'm waiting on the Nexus 2)
The Nexus One may not have been the insanely high volume sales success of other devices out there. But that doesn't mean it was a failure. In fact, IIRC, Google has come out and said that based on the sales figure, it has technically been a success for them. Whether or not there will be a "Nexus Two" is purely speculation at this point. There's only one way to find out (wait).
And either way, I doubt there will be any disappointment either way. If there is a Nexus Two, then everyone here can go WOOHOO! And if there isn't a Nexus Two, I'm sure something will come out around its ETA that is equally as stunning to those waiting for it.
regardless if there is or isnt going to be a Nexus 2 the Nexus 1 is an amazing phone and has begun aging gracefully. I can say that any Android phone i get in the future i will judge it on how awesome it is/isnt in comparison to my Nexus 1
Did you know that the 2 most discussed device specific sub forums here are the the HD2 and the Nexus sub forums?
What does that tell you?
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Did you know that the 2 most discussed device specific sub forums here are the the HD2 and the Nexus sub forums?
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That we're a bunch of social butterflies and those "other people" are the silent types.
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regardless if there is or isnt going to be a Nexus 2 the Nexus 1 is an amazing phone and has begun aging gracefully. I can say that any Android phone i get in the future i will judge it on how awesome it is/isnt in comparison to my Nexus 1
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+1. And, it's nice knowing that updates will continue to come straight from Google while others will be at the mercy of the carriers. I rarely keep a phone for more than 6 months or so, but I can't see giving up my N1 anytime soon.
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+1. And, it's nice knowing that updates will continue to come straight from Google while others will be at the mercy of the carriers. I rarely keep a phone for more than 6 months or so, but I can't see giving up my N1 anytime soon.
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I see all these "new" phones coming out with 1Ghz processors and AMOLED screens and such and i always go "been there done that". Phones IMHO are just now catching up to the Nexus.
So unless there is something "new" that my nexus doesn't have then i wont be getting a new phone any time soon. And by something new i dont mean a bigger screen because i should be able to put a phone in my pocket without feeling like its gonna break in half, or it makes it uncomfortable to sit down. *cough cough EVO and Droid*
Erm, I thought you could still buy the nexus one sim free from shops, or at least expansys.
I think we'll be spoilt for choice even if there isn't a "nexus two" because HTC are obviously comitted to android phones and aside from various other brands Samsung seem to have come out with a really nice phone in the Galaxy S.
the main reason I got the N1 was because it's uncluttered from carrier overlays, it's 'pure' android (i switched from an iPhone 3G) - and I prefer being contract free.
I hope there is a N2, although I do like the looks of the Droid X (I'm in Europe though). there's plenty of life left in my N1 ...
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I'm not upset in the slightest.
Yes there are other phones out there with similar/better specs...but from the a developers stand point, its there favorite toy at the moment.
I'm glad that the Nexus One came because it set a new standard beyond the 528 MHz Qualcomms that Android devices were stuck on, and even now has barely been eclipsed in terms of speed or features. There are no phones out right now that I would consider a true upgrade from the N1, more of a side-grade.
I agree we will never see a Nexus Two, and yes, it does make me sad.
I HATE carrier provided phones
They're always laden with ****ware.
There will always be an ADP (Android developer phone) It just may not be called Nexus.
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There will always be an ADP (Android developer phone) It just may not be called Nexus.
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But none of the developer phones have supported the AT&T or Rogers 3G bands. I'm afraid that no Nexus 2 means no more AT&T support on developer phones.
Dammit.
where is there a competitive smarthphone today that is $300 unsubsidized period?
Given the business and licensing model of Android, there will always have to be some kind of benchmark. Something that defines the minimum spec needed to run new OS versions. What features are needed, what hardware is required, what level of overhead can developers use for their apps. This wasn't as important when there was only 4 models around, 3 of which were from the same manufacturer.
This benchmark doesn't need to be made available to consumers, see the Android Dev phones released prior to the N1. It does need to exist. However, Google also seems interested in pushing the exterior to look as polished as the guts, so if you're going through the expense of creating hardware, software and a casing, why not sell it?
Besides with the N1 just now becoming available in B&M stores worldwide (Vodafone aside), it's consumer success/failure is just now being decided.
the two main reasons i love the nexus are that it has cutting edge hardware, and i was (still am) hoping a new one would come each year, like the iphone. It would be nice to be able to depend on a yearly upgrade, then i could sit back and enjoy the insanity around me that is the ever evolving, ultra competitive, Android industry...i love it, i just cant keep up with it, i need some sort of order and stability in my life!
First of all I'd like to say HTC has been great to me... They were always the best about upgrading whatever software was on the phones, they've always been great tech support and up until recently their phones were always revolutionary but now... I mean it's like they're releasing the same 5 phones over and over with a different processor or camera and acting as though it's something innovative. Where a lot of companies are moving forward in design they've been at a standstill since the release of the Nexus One. I know "The pyramid is going to be so great" or something like that but really it looks like an HD7/Evo/HD2 with a better processor... I just don't get the appeal anymore. Even Kyocera is coming out with more interesting devices and that's just depressing. What happened to when HTC's phone lineups had interesting phones? What's the most interesting they have as of late? The surround? Someone at HTC please bring them back to their roots because their new models are just repetitive and dull...
yes, they may be bringing similar phones, but they are all still different. They pretty much got a variation of the evo, all with 4g capabilities, and similar on every carrier for android, and then a lesser version with only 3g on every carrier. i dont pay much attention to windows phones though. but there are rumors of an HTC tablet coming up, maybe that's where all there innovation is going to? just use the rest to keep the money coming in ATM? either way, im more than satisfied with upgraded to my evo from the samsung instinct.
Where else are you going to go? Motorola has their **** on lockdown and believe me, you do not want to enter the Samsung deathtrap.
I will never buy anything but HTC again.
Eh I didn't go Android this time so I'm happy with Samsung Dell and LG in terms of wp7 and can't wait for nokias. I got tired of the fragmentation too
So what do you going to use now after HTC ?
are you apply to samsung developers ?
Yea, I think they felt superior and now they are letting their product go down for sure.
samsung's good. the epic wasn't, but my past two phones i got with them were good (a dumb phone, and a smart phone) and almost never glitched. my parents had the epic for two weeks, and had everything foreclosing, and bad service. i say you go on ATT get the atrix when it comes out for android. motorola's getting good stuff, and android rocks. but i heard W7 is getting pretty good. picking good phone's these days is a pain in the *ss. btw im new, are we allowed to cuss?
Nokia and Motorola are where its at... thats the only hardware id consider atm.
That long huh
It took you five yrs. huh. After my first HTC phone I was done with them. I will only buy one of their phones if they're the only manufacturer my service provider is carrying WM7 on. Hopefully Sprint will carry more handsets. I would hate to get one of those subpar phones again. I never understood what everyone thinks is so great about HTC.
I still firmly believe that they havent really release an HD2/EVO successor, and by that, I mean creating such a magnitude that it ripples throughout the entire mobile market. Maybe they're enjoying their new-found earnings, but I hope they get to work on something truly spectacular that the world havent seen. We still have MWC and CTIA to go.
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Only an American...
Here in the rest of the world, we've seen over the past few years just how far Nokia has sunk.
Their handsets are nowhere near the standard of Samsung and HTC and MS were fools to risk the support of superior OEM partners to woo them.
Nokia haven't been on top since the N95 and apart from the top two or three models in their range, most of what they have on the market is crap.
And that's not to say the top models are all that good, they're nowhere near the standard of top Android handsets, the iPhone or the WP7 range.
As things stand, Nokia are about the only manufacturer I'd never consider buying from.
And I very much doubt my opinion will be changed by their WP7 offerings.
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Only an American...
Here in the rest of the world, we've seen over the past few years just how far Nokia has sunk.
Their handsets are nowhere near the standard of Samsung and HTC and MS were fools to risk the support of superior OEM partners to woo them.
Nokia haven't been on top since the N95 and apart from the top two or three models in their range, most of what they have on the market is crap.
And that's not to say the top models are all that good, they're nowhere near the standard of top Android handsets, the iPhone or the WP7 range.
As things stand, Nokia are about the only manufacturer I'd never consider buying from.
And I very much doubt my opinion will be changed by their WP7 offerings.
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If I was running on symbian I wouldn't build top-tier phones either. It would be a waste of power on a bum OS... Just like android, why the powerful GPU and no GPU accelerated UI? It'd just be a waste of resources. With a good OS that will make use of those resources they'll be out of that rut... Symbian wasnt exactly known for its awesome games or power hungry apps so why put the stuff in just to increase the price without reason? I do think they'll need to step up the game and by what they've said I have quite a bit of faith that they will. Not to mention all specs aside they're one of few out there who are still innovative...
I agree, but I don't see what other company isn't doing the same thing, except IPhone, but since I hate apple, and am a loyal ally to Microsoft, HTC is still the best for me!
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I agree, but I don't see what other company isn't doing the same thing, except IPhone, but since I hate apple, and am a loyal ally to Microsoft, HTC is still the best for me!
p.s. my 10th post
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HTCs WP7 devices have been subpar really... Id rather get a focus unlocked...
You're missing half the point.
It's not just the specs, the build quality and reliability just isn't there.
The majority of their stuff is below-par buggy crap and I don't see switching OSs breaking them out of that rut.
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Not to mention all specs aside they're one of few out there who are still innovative...
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Ah ha ha! Are you stoned?
This is the company that repeatedly delayed/scrapped/squashed MeeGo and has pumped countless BILLIONS into Symbian.
Seriously, Nokia has been spending more on R&D than anyone else and ~90% of that has been wasted on a PoS out-of-date OS that no-one wants.
But then you look at MeeGo and they've still managed to spend more on it than HTC spends in total and it basically doesn't exist, at least not in any commercial sense. How a company can spend so much money on something they have no intention of trying to sell to customers is mind-boggling.
Nokia can't innovate to save themselves, if they could they wouldn't be switching to WP7.
The innovation I speak of is strictly hardware. There's no denying that symbian was just terrible and I dont see how anyone can expect MeeGo to be anything more than a failure... However the design of their phones is not to blame for OS shortcomings. Sure WP7 will be like their first endeavor into high end hardware (bigger processors and such) but with the innovation behind their other devices I think they could bring WP7 to a more acceptable level. I'd love to see a good WP7 device with good battery life and a great camera. As far as I'm concerned 1 gig processor is enough for a phone as long as it utilizes what's there unlike other OSes.
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The innovation I speak of is strictly hardware.
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Such as?
What have Nokia done in the past couple of years that's innovative?
i agree with everyone that nokia sucks. motorola, and HTC are good, and if you dont like them go with Samsung (the epic wasn't too bad) if you don't like them either go Apple if you still want an somewhat-decent smartphone. but other then that you might as well buy a flip phone. HTC is the best for phones on sprint, my parents have had several htc windows mobile os phones, and now we all got the evo. but for tablets, the zoom if it was cheaper (check gizmodo.com to see what im talking about) and something with similar specs.
Btw we should have a favorite phone maker poll, and a favorite upcoming tablet poll.
While some of you may be losing faith in HTC I have to say that they have been great so far and I only expect more innovation. As a company they are even better. In the past few months I have been writing a business paper on smartphones, part of the research involved interviewing an HTC employee. I emailed HTC President Jason Mackenzie and within 10 minutes got a reply and a Yes to my interview. Companies that can go out of their way for customers and hear their concerns and complaints keeps me faithful. My next device will always be HTC
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I will never buy anything but HTC again.
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Same here, mistake buying an LG.
Il stick to HTC, thank you very much!
On topic with the OP:
I heard HTC is going to do some dual core stuff. Can't wait!
I think HTC has got to the point where they have achieved nearly everything they can with mobile devices apart from speed.
I think htc would have to get some nice new phone designs and some unbelievable hardware spec to make it interesting.
So HTC seems to have run completely out of new and innovative ideas and when they do now it's just depressing. Their recent devices are just re-releases of the same device over and over except with a bigger processor and perhaps a better camera. They barely bother to change the chassis anymore. The last decent innovation I saw HTC come up with was the G1 Z sliding mechanism and how did they follow that up? G2 Z-hinge? Yeah, how's it hanging? After this they went on to release the HTC surround? Is dropping acid mandatory to be a hardware designer at HTC these days because those guys had to be on something to think that was a remotely decent device. I mean all in all aside from processors HTC's hardware is third rate. Their outdated screens are just depressing and their build-quality leaves something to be desired. What happened to the days when HTC seemed like the future of phones? Did their time already come and pass?
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So HTC seems to have run completely out of new and innovative ideas and when they do now it's just depressing. Their recent devices are just re-releases of the same device over and over except with a bigger processor and perhaps a better camera. They barely bother to change the chassis anymore. The last decent innovation I saw HTC come up with was the G1 Z sliding mechanism and how did they follow that up? G2 Z-hinge? Yeah, how's it hanging? After this they went on to release the HTC surround? Is dropping acid mandatory to be a hardware designer at HTC these days because those guys had to be on something to think that was a remotely decent device. I mean all in all aside from processors HTC's hardware is third rate. Their outdated screens are just depressing and their build-quality leaves something to be desired. What happened to the days when HTC seemed like the future of phones? Did their time already come and pass?
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Huuhahah. nice word play. It leaves something to be "desired"
On a more serious note. i agree. no innovative designs from the guys @HTC.
Also specs wise i really have the feeling the competition is starting to get ahead. More 1080p dual core shiney stuff htc!. get with the program.
HTC chassis design is the best so you could say there is no point trying to re-invent the wheel. Without making drastic, and therefore unpopular changes to their designs there are only so many things they can do!
I do think their quality control could be better though and i'm still fuming that they did diddly squat to rectify the hardware issues with the Nexus One. Rather than flooding the market with derivitive products perhaps they should focus on making fewer but better handsets.
your still a fool if you buy somthing over the hd2 and your a htc fan (and your not a millionaire)
karma shall reward the ones who are patient
HTC got into the popularity game now, when before they were in the quality game. Carriers WANT HTC to make phones for them, and since carriers like to release a new phone every two months, there is no way HTC can be innovative. HTC is in it for the money, which is what most companies do. And you tell me, if you had a skill, made decent money on it, then a few people wanted you to use your skill towards their business, and all will pay you a ****load, you would do it.
After reading a Thunderbolt review another glaring HTC oversight was apparent. The micro usb charging port is on the side of the device, which is bad enough, but it's on the side that will be down when using the kickstand in Landscape, so you can't watch a movie and charge simultaneously
How are they making such fundamental errors?
On my experience is nothing related only to HTC, every brand is going slow as they want us to buy mobiles every year, if they launch (and sure they can) a super ultra nice device a lot of us would go for it and probably won´t upgrade as fast as they want.
So they want our money and that´s because they won´t go as fast as you want...
Just my opinion...
now hang on let's not be super drastic about htc and trust me, I've been extremely critical of htc
see
http://wmpoweruser.com/editorial-me-to-nokia-thank-you/
and while I have been critical, I am intrigued with their new button layout and design. It does look a bit more modern, but does that mean we users will get a better experience vs. the famed tp2 keyboard?
Now otherwise I do agree with one thing - HTC is in an era of non innovation. I would love to have a vertical slider from htc to compete with the dell venue pro; I'd also like to have some more odds and ends from htc. Why consumers aren't getting them is beyond me. Perhaps it legality, which would make sense. But overall, their chassis designs need a major change...
HTC still is stable and will surely have a huge share in the mobile market for the next 2-3 years (till tablets come into the mainstream)
See Nokia, they have been completely wiped off the mobile scene. The new E series is a huge flop. Even with their publicity nothing is happening with Nokia. It is alive only because of the low-end mobiles.
Secondly, SE. Even they are not aware of what they are doing. Just making mobiles, selling and forgetting about them. They are'nt even worth of being in the market
Cant say anything about samsung
As much as i know, Motorola will be the leading player in the coming 2-3 years. Seeing its exhibits in the CES '11 they surely have a lot of innovation coming in the mobile industry
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See Nokia, they have been completely wiped off the mobile scene. The new E series is a huge flop. Even with their publicity nothing is happening with Nokia. It is alive only because of the low-end mobiles.
Secondly, SE. Even they are not aware of what they are doing. Just making mobiles, selling and forgetting about them. They are'nt even worth of being in the market
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they both doing really well in europ tho
The qHD, new sense, and a 3d phone is really falling down! Sweet bro.
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Let's be real, what else can you do aside from making the outer case of the phone a different color? Only thing you can do, is add on features and carrier support. 3d being one of them, a 4.3" device with a more updated network modem(3.8" for Tmobile), being the Mytouch 4g, Inspire 4g, Thunderbolt, and the Evo. You have your sliders with updated network modems, g2 for Tmobile, and Evo Shift for Sprint. HTC has always gone with a couple different design choices, and personally I think they look great. They can only do so much with the SoC they use, seeing that they use qualcomm SoCs that still perform pretty nice, even the 65nm versions(But not the gpu. Adreno 200 sucks). What else do you want from them? A TV with an LTE modem that runs Android 2.3 with Sense in 3d? Admitting, the HD7 has some problems with build quality but every company has an issue like that with a device. Hell, Samsung has many devices with problems.
One thing that's hindering everybody is battery technology. That's a hurdle to overcome. I wish that the manufacturers would quit with this bigger is better approach that they seem to be taking. I'd like a phone i can actually put in my pocket!
Of course having bigger devices makes it easier to fit all the components into a slim form factor, and a lot of people seem to like them, so the manufacturers benefit. But these bigger screens have got to be having an impact on battery life, right?
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The qHD, new sense, and a 3d phone is really falling down! Sweet bro.
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wat phone is that
Two things to say up front:
1. I am an HTC fan.
2. I am a former Samsung (Moment) customer and I would never go back.
Now, I do think Samsung has flashier styling, and probably HTC's design department could take some lessons from them.
That being said, I still love my EVO 4G and wouldn't trade it for the world.
Well at least you guys have 4g. Our only 4g carrier retardedly made an exclusive deal with Samsung for their phones. Sigh...
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wat phone is that
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Evolution 3D which will be announced March 22nd.
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DirkGently1 said:
HTC chassis design is the best so you could say there is no point trying to re-invent the wheel. Without making drastic, and therefore unpopular changes to their designs there are only so many things they can do!
I do think their quality control could be better though and i'm still fuming that they did diddly squat to rectify the hardware issues with the Nexus One. Rather than flooding the market with derivitive products perhaps they should focus on making fewer but better handsets.
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I agree!
+1
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wat phone is that
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Just like I said earlier. http://m.androidcentral.com/sprints...ils-leaked-expect-evo-3d-evo-view-4g-and-xoom there you have it
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just a word: HTC = UGLY
no style, no innovation... no taste.
I really like my d3 but I feel like its old already with rumors of the d4 so quick and the samsung nexus coming out. It seems that the market is flooded with android phones. Even my friends that have the iphone ask " why are there so many android phones that come so quickly" and I agree with them. I love android and will always have one. When I read things that say android has the market share I can't but wonder if its do the the huge number of android phones. I wish google would grow a pair and stop this. I would love to see just a few android phones " all stock " come out and show people that don't reallly know what a stock android phone is. I think its moto and htc, and samsung messing it all up with there ui's. And because of this is why the d3 will get lost. And its a great phone. Their are a lot of great phones but you buy one and a month later 3 more that are faster bigger come out. The only good thing about all the phones is that they all try to out do the other. So the technology gets better faster. But I would love to see less and more stock phones. Im tiered of explaining moto blur to people. My friends that have the iphone are right when they say what's wrong with stock android that the manfactures have to hide it. They have a good point. But anyway I just thought this needed to be said and now I wait 8 months till my upgrade and then I will get my samsung nexus and im back on stock forever. Also I know that we have roms and your phone can be stock with these but its still not the same.
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Google has little control over whether an OEM skins Android or not - Android is open source, and whuile I believe that they have specific requirements to get the Google market and apps, the OEMs are free to alter the framework. Of course, it is not the OEMs who simply make the phones - they are trying to sell to carriers, who also have specific demands for specific features (i.e., locked down bootloaders, so users will not be able to install apps that do things like offer hotspot service for free, plus carriers get money from software companies to pre-load specific software on the phones.) It is surely not Google who is controlling when specific makers are offering specific models (with the exception of the Nexus models.)
Google does contract with OEMs roughly once per year to make the Nexus devices, which are pure Android phones (Nexus One January 2010; Nexus S in December 2010; Nexus Prime November 2011.)
Are there too many phones? I would rather have too many great phones coming out frequently than too few phones coming out less frequently. Seriously, even with a Droid 4 coming out 6 months after a Droid 3 (if the release is indeed that tight), the Droid 3 hasn't suddenly become a terrible phone. It's a dual-core OMAP 1 GHz phone with 512 MB of RAM and a very high dpi high resolution display with reasonable battery life. This phone will remain usable for all of a typical 20 month Verizon contract commitment, just as the Droid Incredible remains entirely usable now 18 months or so after its first release.
That's my opinion, anyway. I think it's healthier to be happy that there are so many great phones pushing the envelope so frequently than the alternative - having to wait and try to guess the perfect time to upgrade to a new device. Choice can be hard, but I'd rather be able to choose between many, many models of cars than have Chevy, Ford, Toyota, etc. come out with a single model each every year.
Apple's way is very smart for them, but they do not have to compete with other OEMs making iOS phones. Android OEMs do need to be mindful of each other, and I think both ways are fine. If you are worried that too many phones are being released too fast, then by all means, switch to an iPhone and you'll be able to relax more, or simply buy whichever Nexus device is available at the time you are able or want to upgrade, as they are also now on an approximate yearly cycle. If you have to switch to another carrier to do so, that will surely send a message to the carrier that you are using that if they wanted to keep your business, they should have offered a Nexus device of their own.
Very good points. Just makes me a little mad that I get a phone and and one that I would rather have comes out a few months later. But then again I did not know that at the time. I just nee to maybe wait before jumping in. I do think that the samsung nexus will be the best selling phone of all time. I think that will send a measage to the carriers that stock it always better. I would like to think that stock it better now that 4.0 is out.
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This is the point that technology is at man. Every company is going to make devices that cater to each type of person. These smartphones really haven't been out long if you think about it in relative terms. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years we start seeing the smartphones get narrowed down into a few types of droids and of course 1 or 2 ugly step cousins made by that Apple company.
So to answer your question, yea, there may be a big selection of phones out there and by the time you get used to using one it is already outdated, but that's part of the fun of being at the edge of how far technology has gotten us.
I don't think the problem lies with too many phones but personally I think the carriers and OEMs are taking way too much advantage over the position that they are in.
When I bought my OG Droid, I went with a one year contract because I knew that soon enough a new phone would be out to replace it. This turned out to be incorrect as that was when Android phones were still in their adolescence.
In July, when I finally decided it was time to upgrade to the Droid 3, Verizon no longer offered a one-year contract and there was no sign of a QWERTY slider coming out for awhile. So I felt confident in choosing the Droid 3...
Here I sit, 4 months into a 2-year contract, the Droid 4 is on the horizon and my only option when it comes out is to buy it at full non-subsidized price. Which brings me to my next point...
Why are the non-contract prices SO high for these devices?! The cost of production and materials cannot be THAT high to warrant such a price. Add in the fact that the Operating System (Minus Blur/Sense/Etc) is "free" (to an extent).
To me it just seems like if we want to go with a prepaid, non-contract carrier we have to pay a really high price for a good phone. But when we go to a contract carrier, we are stuck for two years (unless you pay $300+ to cancel the contract) and when a new device comes out we must simply ignore it or cough up $600-700.
Am I wrong or is this the truth? Pardon my rant.
I think Android phones are being released insanely fast. There was a time when I'd read about all of them but now it seems like 3-4 new phones are announced every damn day. And they're ALL the same. Dual-Core, 4G, Gingerbread.
Ya they are all the same for the most part. That's what I don't like. Just wish the carriers would slow down, and focuse on one or two phones. Just can't wait till my upgrade comes. Just afraid that the different ui's will be not be good for android. People need to know what android looks like. Its not blur or sense and those ui's slow phones down a bit aswell.
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Ya they are all the same for the most part. That's what I don't like. Just wish the carriers would slow down, and focuse on one or two phones. Just can't wait till my upgrade comes. Just afraid that the different ui's will be not be good for android. People need to know what android looks like. Its not blur or sense and those ui's slow phones down a bit aswell.
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Google needs to put it's foot down and say no more skins. Skins should come as flashable roms from Moto or HTC, etc.
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Google needs to put it's foot down and say no more skins. Skins should come as flashable roms from Moto or HTC, etc.
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No it doesn't. It completely goes against what makes Android so good. Developers like being able to brand their phones, something they can't do under Windows Phone and obviously IOS. Flashable roms would just be confusing and potentially unstable for the average consumer.
Ya but people don't know what android looks like because of these skins. People think that blur is android and its not. Goggle should at least tell then to have more phones that are stock. Why hide android? Most people put roms on there phones to get rid of the skins. I know that's what I do.
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Most people put roms on there phones to get rid of the skins.
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This is probably true of people who mod their phone, but definitely not true of Android users as a whole. I would guess that less then 10% of Android users actually mod their phones. While it's a small sample, out of the 9 people I know personally that own Android phones, only 2 of them have modded it, and they only did it because I did it for them because they complained of the phone being too slow (Droid 1's). Although both recently upgraded to iphones.
The bottom line is the majority of Android users don't care about what their phone looks like or what Android truly looks like. The same way I don't care about whats under the hood of my car. A car gets me from point A to point B, what makes that happen is irrelevant to me. All I care is if the car is visually appealing to me. And maybe more recently MPG, because of the cost of gas is so god damn high.
Well the nice thing is, as long as XDA exists then we will always have a more current phone. If my Droid 3 would have not crapped out on me because of the screen I would still be using it at 1 GHz with the latest Gingerbread. Once we figure out how to mod the D3 better and better and if we do ever get the unlocked bootloader then our phones will still be just as current as the Nexus Prime or whatever is newer and better.
The specs of this phone despite not being 4G are good because the CPU and RAM are up there with the currently released high end phones (except the RAZR). We already have some good custom ROMs out there and I'm sure we will get ICS soon enough thanks to Hash.
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Well the nice thing is, as long as XDA exists then we will always have a more current phone. If my Droid 3 would have not crapped out on me because of the screen I would still be using it at 1 GHz with the latest Gingerbread. Once we figure out how to mod the D3 better and better and if we do ever get the unlocked bootloader then our phones will still be just as current as the Nexus Prime or whatever is newer and better.
The specs of this phone despite not being 4G are good because the CPU and RAM are up there with the currently released high end phones (except the RAZR). We already have some good custom ROMs out there and I'm sure we will get ICS soon enough thanks to Hash.
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The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.
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The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.
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No the software is just that bad.
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The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.
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512 MB will be fine for ICS, I am sure, as the Nexus S will be getting ICS with worse specs than the D3 (i.e., single-core CPU).
It's very possible that Moto and/or VZW will not want to take the time to develop ICS for the D3, or push it out, but it won't be because it has "only" 512 MB of RAM.
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512 MB will be fine for ICS, I am sure, as the Nexus S will be getting ICS with worse specs than the D3 (i.e., single-core CPU).
It's very possible that Moto and/or VZW will not want to take the time to develop ICS for the D3, or push it out, but it won't be because it has "only" 512 MB of RAM.
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The Nexus S doesn't have a ton of bloatware on it. Verizon will have to port all the applications that are stock loaded with the Droid 3 2.3.4 build over to ICS. I'm going to go ahead and assume that ICS probably uses more RAM than gingerbread. Couple that with the crap software Verizon loads on the phone and there is definitely a case for ram being an issue. I mean the stock phone blows as is, run maps and music and it slows to a crawl.
I think the over abundance of Android phones can be disheartening at first glance, but when you think about it, remember back a few years to when the original razr was the hot phone. After owning it for two years, you go in to get an upgrade to find that the best phone on the market is still a razr, but now it can play mp3s. If you use your head, you realize that all of these people who are worried about having the latest and greatest phone and go out to buy it as it is released still have a perfectly good "last month" phone. Hello Ebay. I saved my upgrade and bought a one month old D3 off ebay for $300. Use your upgrades when the RIGHT phone comes out, until then pick up the scraps from ebay at half price. Remember, even a used phone from ebay still carries a mfg warranty.
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I agree with OP that there are too many Android phones and not enough variety. i think the main difference is that while the iPhone was originally locked to one market, Android phones were everywhere. Each carrier had their own version of each phone made by each manufacturer, not to mention their individual contracts for certain phones that ended up getting out to other carriers eventually (i.e. Evo). My issue is there isn't much variety, yeah they have small upgrades here and there and small differences but the main thing is once a 1ghz 4.3" screen came out, every company made one. Once dual core came out, every company made one. Not much innovation imo, just keeping up with the competition. And I still don't understand why there are barely any QWERTY keyboards, another reason why it seems like most of the phones coming out are the same.
For me it all has began to come down to the looks department. I know I want a QWERTY so i had limited options, but even if it was an all touch screen you look for one that you can live with looking at every day and bite the bullet. Chances are everyone else will have one with similar specs just different body design.
Here's an interesting article I just came across on the Verge about a few sources saying the Google will retire the Nexus Line and reboot it with Android Silver handsets that will be sold in stores and highly marketed, but with presumably higher specs.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/29/5664702/google-nexus-to-be-replaced-by-android-silver
International Buinsess Article
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5504...-release-date-specs-features.htm#.U2LtifldV8E
"The rumoured "Android Silver" line will replace the Nexus program. The line included more high-end and more expensive devices. It was claimed that Google wants to focus on giving consumers devices that are bumped in the hardware side while enjoying pure Android experience." (International Business)
What do you think? I would be willing to go for a all around premium "Nexus" phone as long as the cost wasn't too much and it worked on all major carriers.
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i call bs.
as every year there is another rumor that there wont be another nexus, yet every year comes a nexus.
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I'm hoping that this is not true, if it is, we should start an online petition to keep the Nexus brand going.. I hate bloatware, carrier logos and all of the other nonsense that comes on phones from the carriers. My last few phones have been Nexus devices, and everytime i buy a carrier branded phone, i just end up selling it or returning it. Once you go nexus you cant go back..
Just my .02 cents.
I just posted two similar links here:
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I think that is only one more rumor surrounding Nexus brand
Google can call the program whatever they want to call it. As long as they offer a device with vanilla Android, without carrier and manufacturer bloatware, with at least mid-range specs at a reasonable price I'm happy.
Rumors only...lock it before it spreads! eeek
Guys we have the last nexus Google can't keep making this phone it hurts its partners and now with the one plus one there is no point. I prefer a premium device instead of the cuts made to nexus like battery and camera
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Some of you guys are still in the negation phase
i mean, i love the nexus line too, but there are many indications that Android Silver is going to become a reality soon, some of the leakers of this news are credible sources and probably with direct connections in Google itself (well at least more credible than random people on a forum stating the opposite with no clues whatsoever) . You do the maths.
Fataldesain said:
Guys we have the last nexus Google can't keep making this phone it hurts its partners and now with the one plus one there is no point.
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I hope you are joking. The OnePlus is not even on Google's radar. I would assume the Android Silver program is true based on who is reporting it. At the end of the day, Google isn't going to stop offering an affordable Android phone with vanilla Android. It seems the silver program is just extending the GPE program to carriers. Surely, they aren't killing off the Play Store so there are no worries. Whether or not they call their phones "Nexus" phones doesn't matter to me because one will still be available from the Play Store.
Cautiously optimistic about this. Could be interesting.
I hope they keep the competitive pricing...
I feel the android manufacturers and carriers are never going to want a reasonably priced google phone that is heavily marketed next to their pricy flagships. Something about it doesn't add up. If they are GPe priced i'm sure the carriers and manufacturers wouldn't mind but then marketing that is much harder and they wouldn't sell many. I just can't picture them being welcome in retail next to the other phones.
Seadra said:
idk, Android Silver concept first came in light few months back, and that time it was in the rumor stage, but now verge is reporting it and verge isn't one to bull**** users. Verge also has close contacts with Google, and it's sources can be trusted. Though I hope this DOESN'T happen. Also, next nexus will come this year, the android silver concept is staged for 2015.
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Verge after the Galaxy Nexus era is as much bullsh*t as the rest. Their review for the Nexus 5 is a joke for an example.
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Here's some more information about the possible Android Silver.
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5504...-release-date-specs-features.htm#.U2LtifldV8E
"The rumoured "Android Silver" line will replace the Nexus program. The line included more high-end and more expensive devices. It was claimed that Google wants to focus on giving consumers devices that are bumped in the hardware side while enjoying pure Android experience." (International Business)
That's an even ****tier source than The Verge!
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IBtimes should be banned from posting anything about technology until they can do some fact checking. It's nothing but a clickbait site with a bunch of repeated in(or mis)formation.
This Android Silver idea sounds like it really could be a benefit if Google truly does put serious effort into it. I just think android has gotten to a point now that serious changes like this need to be considered in order to help potentially solve the issues many developers have (by having just a few "focus" devices every year". I own an iPad as well as N5 and I must say that the quality of most apps for the iPad are consistently phenomenal; I unfortunately can't say that in my experience with android (though the situation has majorly improved I'd say in the past year or so)
Melamunna said:
IBtimes should be banned from posting anything about technology until they can do some fact checking. It's nothing but a clickbait site with a bunch of repeated in(or mis)formation.
This Android Silver idea sounds like it really could be a benefit if Google truly does put serious effort into it. I just think android has gotten to a point now that serious changes like this need to be considered in order to help potentially solve the issues many developers have (by having just a few "focus" devices every year". I own an iPad as well as N5 and I must say that the quality of most apps for the iPad are consistently phenomenal; I unfortunately can't say that in my experience with android (though the situation has majorly improved I'd say in the past year or so)
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Agreed
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It's not often you see a non-geek for example carrying a Nexus 5. Those people would rather go for huge flagships that show up on TV. Google wants a piece of the pie now and so they're probably going the same route as Samsung while keeping Android as vanilla as possible. Besides if the Project Hera theme is to be true, the home button now says Google. Google is slowly but surely inserting their brand name into everything to directly compete with Apple and Samsung devices and services.
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Still think that this whole android silver thing is going to be similar to Google Play Edtion ( GPE ) phones.
There will be Xperia Z3 silver edition, HTC one M9 silver edition , Samsung Galaxy S6 Silver edition. All running vanilla android.
Just my 2 cents.
To me the issue is what you can and can't do in these supposed silver editions. Will they all have the freedom to flash this that and the other thing, downgrade boot loaders at will....etc etc.
The current developer edition phones of other makers still usually don't come with the freedom of a nexus. Not totally.
Again, my example is the moto x. All moto x's, including the developer edition, can't downgrade their os after flashing 4.4.2. The boot loader won't allow it. And those that find a way to downgrade, and make one false move....brick their phones. So that phone is not even close to the flexibility of a nexus.
That's my worry.
I think that Google won't do this
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