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Anyone else upset...

...that there will most likely never ever be an official superphone Nexus 2?
With the online store a relative failure, we will probably have to buy new phones from our carriers (or from the manufacturers God willing) and yea...kinda sucks.
I wish Google REALLY tried to change the game and A) made sure HTC used the absolute BEST materials and hardware for the N1, B) priced it at like 300 without contract and 100 on contract and C) MARKETED THE HELL OUT OF IT
oh well... :-/

I see the Nexus one as a Massive success, personally. Check out all of the newer android phones on the market since it was released.
Compare to the HTC Hero, Samsung Moment, or Moto Droid.

Would definitely be a bummed. I was only going to buy nexus successors, with all the damn new choices all the damn time that would've given some order to my life. Plus its the only reason I renewed with t-mobile. Ill hold out hope at least until January 5th...

Nexus 2
Man that sucks, It would mean that the Nexus 1 is my last Android phone! (I'm waiting on the Nexus 2)

The Nexus One may not have been the insanely high volume sales success of other devices out there. But that doesn't mean it was a failure. In fact, IIRC, Google has come out and said that based on the sales figure, it has technically been a success for them. Whether or not there will be a "Nexus Two" is purely speculation at this point. There's only one way to find out (wait).
And either way, I doubt there will be any disappointment either way. If there is a Nexus Two, then everyone here can go WOOHOO! And if there isn't a Nexus Two, I'm sure something will come out around its ETA that is equally as stunning to those waiting for it.

regardless if there is or isnt going to be a Nexus 2 the Nexus 1 is an amazing phone and has begun aging gracefully. I can say that any Android phone i get in the future i will judge it on how awesome it is/isnt in comparison to my Nexus 1

Did you know that the 2 most discussed device specific sub forums here are the the HD2 and the Nexus sub forums?
What does that tell you?

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Did you know that the 2 most discussed device specific sub forums here are the the HD2 and the Nexus sub forums?
What does that tell you?
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That we're a bunch of social butterflies and those "other people" are the silent types.

slowz3r said:
regardless if there is or isnt going to be a Nexus 2 the Nexus 1 is an amazing phone and has begun aging gracefully. I can say that any Android phone i get in the future i will judge it on how awesome it is/isnt in comparison to my Nexus 1
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+1. And, it's nice knowing that updates will continue to come straight from Google while others will be at the mercy of the carriers. I rarely keep a phone for more than 6 months or so, but I can't see giving up my N1 anytime soon.

AvengerBB said:
+1. And, it's nice knowing that updates will continue to come straight from Google while others will be at the mercy of the carriers. I rarely keep a phone for more than 6 months or so, but I can't see giving up my N1 anytime soon.
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I see all these "new" phones coming out with 1Ghz processors and AMOLED screens and such and i always go "been there done that". Phones IMHO are just now catching up to the Nexus.
So unless there is something "new" that my nexus doesn't have then i wont be getting a new phone any time soon. And by something new i dont mean a bigger screen because i should be able to put a phone in my pocket without feeling like its gonna break in half, or it makes it uncomfortable to sit down. *cough cough EVO and Droid*

Erm, I thought you could still buy the nexus one sim free from shops, or at least expansys.
I think we'll be spoilt for choice even if there isn't a "nexus two" because HTC are obviously comitted to android phones and aside from various other brands Samsung seem to have come out with a really nice phone in the Galaxy S.

the main reason I got the N1 was because it's uncluttered from carrier overlays, it's 'pure' android (i switched from an iPhone 3G) - and I prefer being contract free.
I hope there is a N2, although I do like the looks of the Droid X (I'm in Europe though). there's plenty of life left in my N1 ...
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I'm not upset in the slightest.
Yes there are other phones out there with similar/better specs...but from the a developers stand point, its there favorite toy at the moment.

I'm glad that the Nexus One came because it set a new standard beyond the 528 MHz Qualcomms that Android devices were stuck on, and even now has barely been eclipsed in terms of speed or features. There are no phones out right now that I would consider a true upgrade from the N1, more of a side-grade.

I agree we will never see a Nexus Two, and yes, it does make me sad.
I HATE carrier provided phones
They're always laden with ****ware.

There will always be an ADP (Android developer phone) It just may not be called Nexus.

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There will always be an ADP (Android developer phone) It just may not be called Nexus.
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But none of the developer phones have supported the AT&T or Rogers 3G bands. I'm afraid that no Nexus 2 means no more AT&T support on developer phones.
Dammit.

where is there a competitive smarthphone today that is $300 unsubsidized period?

Given the business and licensing model of Android, there will always have to be some kind of benchmark. Something that defines the minimum spec needed to run new OS versions. What features are needed, what hardware is required, what level of overhead can developers use for their apps. This wasn't as important when there was only 4 models around, 3 of which were from the same manufacturer.
This benchmark doesn't need to be made available to consumers, see the Android Dev phones released prior to the N1. It does need to exist. However, Google also seems interested in pushing the exterior to look as polished as the guts, so if you're going through the expense of creating hardware, software and a casing, why not sell it?
Besides with the N1 just now becoming available in B&M stores worldwide (Vodafone aside), it's consumer success/failure is just now being decided.

the two main reasons i love the nexus are that it has cutting edge hardware, and i was (still am) hoping a new one would come each year, like the iphone. It would be nice to be able to depend on a yearly upgrade, then i could sit back and enjoy the insanity around me that is the ever evolving, ultra competitive, Android industry...i love it, i just cant keep up with it, i need some sort of order and stability in my life!

Do you think the there are too many android phones

I really like my d3 but I feel like its old already with rumors of the d4 so quick and the samsung nexus coming out. It seems that the market is flooded with android phones. Even my friends that have the iphone ask " why are there so many android phones that come so quickly" and I agree with them. I love android and will always have one. When I read things that say android has the market share I can't but wonder if its do the the huge number of android phones. I wish google would grow a pair and stop this. I would love to see just a few android phones " all stock " come out and show people that don't reallly know what a stock android phone is. I think its moto and htc, and samsung messing it all up with there ui's. And because of this is why the d3 will get lost. And its a great phone. Their are a lot of great phones but you buy one and a month later 3 more that are faster bigger come out. The only good thing about all the phones is that they all try to out do the other. So the technology gets better faster. But I would love to see less and more stock phones. Im tiered of explaining moto blur to people. My friends that have the iphone are right when they say what's wrong with stock android that the manfactures have to hide it. They have a good point. But anyway I just thought this needed to be said and now I wait 8 months till my upgrade and then I will get my samsung nexus and im back on stock forever. Also I know that we have roms and your phone can be stock with these but its still not the same.
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Google has little control over whether an OEM skins Android or not - Android is open source, and whuile I believe that they have specific requirements to get the Google market and apps, the OEMs are free to alter the framework. Of course, it is not the OEMs who simply make the phones - they are trying to sell to carriers, who also have specific demands for specific features (i.e., locked down bootloaders, so users will not be able to install apps that do things like offer hotspot service for free, plus carriers get money from software companies to pre-load specific software on the phones.) It is surely not Google who is controlling when specific makers are offering specific models (with the exception of the Nexus models.)
Google does contract with OEMs roughly once per year to make the Nexus devices, which are pure Android phones (Nexus One January 2010; Nexus S in December 2010; Nexus Prime November 2011.)
Are there too many phones? I would rather have too many great phones coming out frequently than too few phones coming out less frequently. Seriously, even with a Droid 4 coming out 6 months after a Droid 3 (if the release is indeed that tight), the Droid 3 hasn't suddenly become a terrible phone. It's a dual-core OMAP 1 GHz phone with 512 MB of RAM and a very high dpi high resolution display with reasonable battery life. This phone will remain usable for all of a typical 20 month Verizon contract commitment, just as the Droid Incredible remains entirely usable now 18 months or so after its first release.
That's my opinion, anyway. I think it's healthier to be happy that there are so many great phones pushing the envelope so frequently than the alternative - having to wait and try to guess the perfect time to upgrade to a new device. Choice can be hard, but I'd rather be able to choose between many, many models of cars than have Chevy, Ford, Toyota, etc. come out with a single model each every year.
Apple's way is very smart for them, but they do not have to compete with other OEMs making iOS phones. Android OEMs do need to be mindful of each other, and I think both ways are fine. If you are worried that too many phones are being released too fast, then by all means, switch to an iPhone and you'll be able to relax more, or simply buy whichever Nexus device is available at the time you are able or want to upgrade, as they are also now on an approximate yearly cycle. If you have to switch to another carrier to do so, that will surely send a message to the carrier that you are using that if they wanted to keep your business, they should have offered a Nexus device of their own.

Very good points. Just makes me a little mad that I get a phone and and one that I would rather have comes out a few months later. But then again I did not know that at the time. I just nee to maybe wait before jumping in. I do think that the samsung nexus will be the best selling phone of all time. I think that will send a measage to the carriers that stock it always better. I would like to think that stock it better now that 4.0 is out.
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This is the point that technology is at man. Every company is going to make devices that cater to each type of person. These smartphones really haven't been out long if you think about it in relative terms. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years we start seeing the smartphones get narrowed down into a few types of droids and of course 1 or 2 ugly step cousins made by that Apple company.
So to answer your question, yea, there may be a big selection of phones out there and by the time you get used to using one it is already outdated, but that's part of the fun of being at the edge of how far technology has gotten us.

I don't think the problem lies with too many phones but personally I think the carriers and OEMs are taking way too much advantage over the position that they are in.
When I bought my OG Droid, I went with a one year contract because I knew that soon enough a new phone would be out to replace it. This turned out to be incorrect as that was when Android phones were still in their adolescence.
In July, when I finally decided it was time to upgrade to the Droid 3, Verizon no longer offered a one-year contract and there was no sign of a QWERTY slider coming out for awhile. So I felt confident in choosing the Droid 3...
Here I sit, 4 months into a 2-year contract, the Droid 4 is on the horizon and my only option when it comes out is to buy it at full non-subsidized price. Which brings me to my next point...
Why are the non-contract prices SO high for these devices?! The cost of production and materials cannot be THAT high to warrant such a price. Add in the fact that the Operating System (Minus Blur/Sense/Etc) is "free" (to an extent).
To me it just seems like if we want to go with a prepaid, non-contract carrier we have to pay a really high price for a good phone. But when we go to a contract carrier, we are stuck for two years (unless you pay $300+ to cancel the contract) and when a new device comes out we must simply ignore it or cough up $600-700.
Am I wrong or is this the truth? Pardon my rant.

I think Android phones are being released insanely fast. There was a time when I'd read about all of them but now it seems like 3-4 new phones are announced every damn day. And they're ALL the same. Dual-Core, 4G, Gingerbread.

Ya they are all the same for the most part. That's what I don't like. Just wish the carriers would slow down, and focuse on one or two phones. Just can't wait till my upgrade comes. Just afraid that the different ui's will be not be good for android. People need to know what android looks like. Its not blur or sense and those ui's slow phones down a bit aswell.
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spacecasespiff said:
Ya they are all the same for the most part. That's what I don't like. Just wish the carriers would slow down, and focuse on one or two phones. Just can't wait till my upgrade comes. Just afraid that the different ui's will be not be good for android. People need to know what android looks like. Its not blur or sense and those ui's slow phones down a bit aswell.
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Google needs to put it's foot down and say no more skins. Skins should come as flashable roms from Moto or HTC, etc.
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Google needs to put it's foot down and say no more skins. Skins should come as flashable roms from Moto or HTC, etc.
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No it doesn't. It completely goes against what makes Android so good. Developers like being able to brand their phones, something they can't do under Windows Phone and obviously IOS. Flashable roms would just be confusing and potentially unstable for the average consumer.

Ya but people don't know what android looks like because of these skins. People think that blur is android and its not. Goggle should at least tell then to have more phones that are stock. Why hide android? Most people put roms on there phones to get rid of the skins. I know that's what I do.
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Most people put roms on there phones to get rid of the skins.
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This is probably true of people who mod their phone, but definitely not true of Android users as a whole. I would guess that less then 10% of Android users actually mod their phones. While it's a small sample, out of the 9 people I know personally that own Android phones, only 2 of them have modded it, and they only did it because I did it for them because they complained of the phone being too slow (Droid 1's). Although both recently upgraded to iphones.
The bottom line is the majority of Android users don't care about what their phone looks like or what Android truly looks like. The same way I don't care about whats under the hood of my car. A car gets me from point A to point B, what makes that happen is irrelevant to me. All I care is if the car is visually appealing to me. And maybe more recently MPG, because of the cost of gas is so god damn high.

Well the nice thing is, as long as XDA exists then we will always have a more current phone. If my Droid 3 would have not crapped out on me because of the screen I would still be using it at 1 GHz with the latest Gingerbread. Once we figure out how to mod the D3 better and better and if we do ever get the unlocked bootloader then our phones will still be just as current as the Nexus Prime or whatever is newer and better.
The specs of this phone despite not being 4G are good because the CPU and RAM are up there with the currently released high end phones (except the RAZR). We already have some good custom ROMs out there and I'm sure we will get ICS soon enough thanks to Hash.
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MrObvious said:
Well the nice thing is, as long as XDA exists then we will always have a more current phone. If my Droid 3 would have not crapped out on me because of the screen I would still be using it at 1 GHz with the latest Gingerbread. Once we figure out how to mod the D3 better and better and if we do ever get the unlocked bootloader then our phones will still be just as current as the Nexus Prime or whatever is newer and better.
The specs of this phone despite not being 4G are good because the CPU and RAM are up there with the currently released high end phones (except the RAZR). We already have some good custom ROMs out there and I'm sure we will get ICS soon enough thanks to Hash.
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The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.

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The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.
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No the software is just that bad.

i4mt3hwin said:
The processor is good but the RAM is definitely lacking. 512MB is just not enough, the phone with stock stuff installed has a pretty terrible multi-tasking experience. Honestly I think the 512 is the reason why Motorola hasn't flagged it for an ICS update yet, because other than that it's basically the same phone as the Bionic/Razr and probably wouldn't be too hard to port.
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512 MB will be fine for ICS, I am sure, as the Nexus S will be getting ICS with worse specs than the D3 (i.e., single-core CPU).
It's very possible that Moto and/or VZW will not want to take the time to develop ICS for the D3, or push it out, but it won't be because it has "only" 512 MB of RAM.

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512 MB will be fine for ICS, I am sure, as the Nexus S will be getting ICS with worse specs than the D3 (i.e., single-core CPU).
It's very possible that Moto and/or VZW will not want to take the time to develop ICS for the D3, or push it out, but it won't be because it has "only" 512 MB of RAM.
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The Nexus S doesn't have a ton of bloatware on it. Verizon will have to port all the applications that are stock loaded with the Droid 3 2.3.4 build over to ICS. I'm going to go ahead and assume that ICS probably uses more RAM than gingerbread. Couple that with the crap software Verizon loads on the phone and there is definitely a case for ram being an issue. I mean the stock phone blows as is, run maps and music and it slows to a crawl.

I think the over abundance of Android phones can be disheartening at first glance, but when you think about it, remember back a few years to when the original razr was the hot phone. After owning it for two years, you go in to get an upgrade to find that the best phone on the market is still a razr, but now it can play mp3s. If you use your head, you realize that all of these people who are worried about having the latest and greatest phone and go out to buy it as it is released still have a perfectly good "last month" phone. Hello Ebay. I saved my upgrade and bought a one month old D3 off ebay for $300. Use your upgrades when the RIGHT phone comes out, until then pick up the scraps from ebay at half price. Remember, even a used phone from ebay still carries a mfg warranty.
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I agree with OP that there are too many Android phones and not enough variety. i think the main difference is that while the iPhone was originally locked to one market, Android phones were everywhere. Each carrier had their own version of each phone made by each manufacturer, not to mention their individual contracts for certain phones that ended up getting out to other carriers eventually (i.e. Evo). My issue is there isn't much variety, yeah they have small upgrades here and there and small differences but the main thing is once a 1ghz 4.3" screen came out, every company made one. Once dual core came out, every company made one. Not much innovation imo, just keeping up with the competition. And I still don't understand why there are barely any QWERTY keyboards, another reason why it seems like most of the phones coming out are the same.
For me it all has began to come down to the looks department. I know I want a QWERTY so i had limited options, but even if it was an all touch screen you look for one that you can live with looking at every day and bite the bullet. Chances are everyone else will have one with similar specs just different body design.

Google X family to replace Nexus family?

With so many shifts happening in the industry (like Samsung shifting to Tizen and away from Android, BB 10 OS, Ubuntu, etc) there is now talk of Google going against Samsung and Apple with an upcoming Google/Motorola X Phone to be announced at the I/O meeting in May during the anticipated release of Android 5.0.
Some are starting to speculate that the X Phone may not only be the next flagship device for Google but also the X family which may replace the current Nexus devices ( phones, tablets).
What are your thoughts about this? If true, do you see yourself making a jump to this rumored X Phone?
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Google just started the Nexus 4-7-10 system two months ago.... I really don't see them changing anything, even the name to X, soon.
Besides, Motorola's designs are hideous (not quite as bad as Samsung's, but still pretty bad). I really don't want to see that X phone if it looks like other Moto phones. Give the next Google phone to HTC.

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With so many shifts happening in the industry (like Samsung shifting to Tizen and away from Android, BB 10 OS, Ubuntu, etc) there is now talk of Google going against Samsung and Apple with an upcoming Google/Motorola X Phone to be announced at the I/O meeting in May during the anticipated release of Android 5.0.
Some are starting to speculate that the X Phone may not only be the next flagship device for Google but also the X family which may replace the current Nexus devices ( phones, tablets).
What are your thoughts about this? If true, do you see yourself making a jump to this rumored X Phone?
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X-phone is a rumour for now. No one is sure if it's true. X if true is being built by Motorola, which recently pulled out of lot of markets couple months back. So it can't be a hit.
My guess is it might be a device for Verizon.
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From a complete business perspective, any time is good to create a new line built off of the success of an older one. In fact, its much wiser to continue that method in rapid succession rather than to delay it. If sales have plateaued I'd consider it totally possible, and applaud Google in the process.
Of course, this is all just speculation.
I personally like the designs of moto, I loved my dx-2 and every other moto phone I've owned. In my experience they have a solid feel and a sense of quality.

There are many theories out there on what this X phone is going to be but the shifting landscape esp. regarding Sammy and Tizen makes me wonder if Google is cooking something up in house (w/ Motorola).
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I've never owned a Moto phone but I hear they have good radios and battery life - both features important to me.
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my guess is that its gonna be the next nexus device and will be branded as such, but google is going to push it as a phone for consumers in addition to the developer/android lovers phone the nexus line is known for, they are already starting to do it now with the nexus 4 but they would go all out with the x phone, so my guess is it would be on all carriers and available through the play store. theres not really any evidence that it would be revealed at the google i/o, maybe the x tablet will be revealed then to replace the n7. i think it would be released closer to the holiday season like the nexus 4
i think we can all agree it will be a helluva phone regardless if you like moto or not

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I've never owned a Moto phone but I hear they have good radios and battery life - both features important to me.
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Same. Reception, battery life, and build quality are Motorola's proficiencies and are the 3 things I care about. Motorola Nexus should be killer.
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4 is an unlucky number. First the S4 pro is the last of its series and a few months later is replaced by a significantly more powerful successor(mpdecision is a joke, the radio is a joke). The Nexus 4's launch was terrible, people still can't get one and there are rumors about halted production, and we can't forget the thermal issues. Our last strike being Qualcomm's lack of open source code for the S4 Pro which practically contradicts the purpose of getting a Nexus-experience. Might as well go with Tegra since openness is lacking from both.

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From a complete business perspective, any time is good to create a new line built off of the success of an older one. In fact, its much wiser to continue that method in rapid succession rather than to delay it. If sales have plateaued I'd consider it totally possible, and applaud Google in the process.
Of course, this is all just speculation.
I personally like the designs of moto, I loved my dx-2 and every other moto phone I've owned. In my experience they have a solid feel and a sense of quality.
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That would cause irreparable damage to their brand. Also a business perspective.
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4 is an unlucky number. First the S4 pro is the last of its series and a few months later is replaced by a significantly more powerful successor(mpdecision is a joke, the radio is a joke). The Nexus 4's launch was terrible, people still can't get one and there are rumors about halted production, and we can't forget the thermal issues. Our last strike being Qualcomm's lack of open source code for the S4 Pro which practically contradicts the purpose of getting a Nexus-experience. Might as well go with Tegra since openness is lacking from both.
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I loved the processor on the Galaxy Nexus. At least that one doesn't run hot while playing the game Flow.
I can't play Flow for more than 30 minutes without it being extremely discomforting because of the processor burning up.

Enhanced said:
Same. Reception, battery life, and build quality are Motorola's proficiencies and are the 3 things I care about. Motorola Nexus should be killer.
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I think all companies can make great phones if they focused on making one device a year instead of 12 like the iPhone is always going to be a top tier device but Samsung will work on an s3 along with others like galaxy victory note 2 galaxy camera plus TV's and other electronics.
The nexus and the X are closely related in terms of names so I don't think nexus will be abandoned. Nexus emphasizes on the X (jellybean boot animation for example).
They just started a number system so they can go to letters since its going to be different like the Nexus X but... Since moto is Google's company and "droid" has these dramatic commercials they may market it as the "Droid" collides with "Nexus" and the world explodes and then they show NEXUS written in droid red letters and fade out the NE and US leaving X glowing.
Lol it looks beautiful in my mind hopefully my writing expresses that.
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Google Nexus X
Not that large of a change. Similar to the scheme they adopted with Samsung. Nexus S and GALAXY Nexus. The Droid X series by Motorola was popular so if Motorola made one it would make sense as a name (or as a good speculation for a name)
It would also follow Apple's ditching of numbers with the new iPad.
I was planning on buying the nexus 4 in a few months. I shouldn't have to worry about this new nexus coming out into the end of the year right?
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It all depends on when the next generation of phones come out. I hope Google doesn't ditch their nexus 4...

Maybe they are having moto rush them for a June launch. Seeing as they have no more nexus 4s
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It all depends on when the next generation of phones come out. I hope Google doesn't ditch their nexus 4...
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I agree but to expand. I wish that they keep it a solid family. Hate to compare but like iPhone.
If I buy a nexus on a 2 year contract I expect at least the first year to get all updates. People have the iPhone 4 and aren't in a hurry to get the five because its almost the same but I was going crazy when I was stuck on GB and ICS was out.
Like the droid RAZR, RAZR maxx, RAZR HD, RAZR HD maxx, That is 4 different models that are 95% the same but yet some won't get jellybean when others do.
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I don't really see Samsung shifting to Tizen, its more of a side project.
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Censura_Umbra said:
Maybe they are having moto rush them for a June launch. Seeing as they have no more nexus 4s
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Yeah what the heck is going on with that.
Im thinking the nexus 4 is going to be great. Even Google preview video with the guy talking about the nexus phone being the best nexus and abandoning other nexus from the past and now they "ditch it" within 3 months.
First off. Google should never have contracted with LG. You are a big company with big demands for a high profile device and lg can't make more than 5 for launch.
The N4 on Play has "sold out" tattooed on it since an hour after launch.
Samsung had the same with the s3 but it took one month then it was back in stock and never left.
I gotta say LG dropped the ball on this one.
http://www.androidauthority.com/nex...focusing-smartphones-nexus-5-included-146707/

I sure hope that they don't call the family of products "X what ever" because it almost sounds like a ripoff of apple and all of their "i products". That would be like Google referring to android as "Aos". Very lame.... Nexus just sounds better and means connection or link. That's a pretty cool name, that your product is your link to the world.
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The nexus brand has always had "X" as the logo.
My Nexus one had the X boot animation. So an X phone is still very relevant to Google and if they are going to start manufacturing their own hardware it makes sense to distance themselves from the existing nexus program.
New age.
New name.

I dont see that happening anytime soon. As someone above me said, Google just launched the Nexus family and people are beginning to recognize the name "Nexus". Why would they abandon that ?
Also, Samsung is certainly not moving away from Android. They are hitting record sales with their Galaxy line of phones and theres no point in ditching Android.
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HTC kills the One S

http://androidandme.com/2013/07/dev...ves-android-4-1-broken-promises-at-the-scene/
Now I know the One S is a mid range, but this will further hurt HTC. There aren't to many people who have faith in HTC regarding this news. What are you guys thoughts?
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XaoSilentrzk said:
http://androidandme.com/2013/07/dev...ves-android-4-1-broken-promises-at-the-scene/
Now I know the One S is a mid range, but this will further hurt HTC. There aren't to many people who have faith in HTC regarding this news. What are you guys thoughts?
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htc one will be dead in a year too

XaoSilentrzk said:
http://androidandme.com/2013/07/dev...ves-android-4-1-broken-promises-at-the-scene/
Now I know the One S is a mid range, but this will further hurt HTC. There aren't to many people who have faith in HTC regarding this news. What are you guys thoughts?
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I don't think too many people mind, to be honest. You're going to get a huge responder bias in terms of people responding to this issue (namely, it's going to be people who actually care about the updates and know of the One S' existence). It's a sweet looking phone and this is too bad, but I don't think HTC's going to bleed much from this issue.
Don't quite agree with above poster: I'd be surprised though if it went two years, but I do think it'll last more than one.

The only major complain I have from HTC is with their device support for updates. Any news about one X ? I hope it is getting 4.2.2 with sense 5. Otherwise I will lose faith in HTC.
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Rirere said:
I don't think too many people mind, to be honest. You're going to get a huge responder bias in terms of people responding to this issue (namely, it's going to be people who actually care about the updates and know of the One S' existence). It's a sweet looking phone and this is too bad, but I don't think HTC's going to bleed much from this issue.
Don't quite agree with above poster: I'd be surprised though if it went two years, but I do think it'll last more than one.
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Dude you're missing the point. The One S isn't supported but the far significantly weaker Galaxy S2 is? That makes no sense and shows HTC could care less about supporting the already released devices. First it was the desire HD fiasco, then the One X bad unit fiasco, the EVO3D extra slow update fiasco, now this. It's bad PR and world of mouth for them.
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XaoSilentrzk said:
Dude you're missing the point. The One S isn't supported but the far significantly weaker Galaxy S2 is? That makes no sense and shows HTC could care less about supporting the already released devices. First it was the desire HD fiasco, then the One X bad unit fiasco, the EVO3D extra slow update fiasco, now this. It's bad PR and world of mouth for them.
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Not really, no. You've missed the far bigger issue-- two, actually.
Comparing the Galaxy SII to the One S is apples to oranges. The One S is a mid-tier handset launched in a handful of markets without a strong brand name or marketing campaign to its name. While an excellent phone, its adoption numbers were never great. The Galaxy SII might be older, but it has been launched in many more markets, on many more carriers, and perhaps most importantly it was a Samsung flagship device. And as a flagship, it's going to see a lot more attention than a midrange phone-- even if it now is today's midrange device.
That's practically a side note though compared to the real issue. The majority of Android customers do not care about updates. No poll you will ever conduct on XDA or any Android or mobile enthusiast site is going to matter in this regard, because the representative responder bias is ridiculously, ludicrously high. So long as a device is current "enough" (that is, it supports most apps in the Play Store), consumers are none the wiser for each Android update, and chalk new features to a new phone.
Oh, and considering the contract upgrade cycle, people care even less. Even on the iOS side where you can expect an update rather regularly, most individual users will shrug their shoulders unless the update breaks something.
Simply put: yes, this will raise a stink in the developer community, and anyone maybe one step removed from a developer/enthusiast. But is it going to change the market? No, and even if it did it wouldn't hold a candle to the impact HTC and Samsung/s gross disparity in marketing reserves will have.

Nonetheless, any way you slice it... Bad move for HTC. I lurked over to their forums (One S) and many users are pissed
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Rirere said:
Not really, no. You've missed the far bigger issue-- two, actually.
Comparing the Galaxy SII to the One S is apples to oranges. The One S is a mid-tier handset launched in a handful of markets without a strong brand name or marketing campaign to its name. While an excellent phone, its adoption numbers were never great. The Galaxy SII might be older, but it has been launched in many more markets, on many more carriers, and perhaps most importantly it was a Samsung flagship device. And as a flagship, it's going to see a lot more attention than a midrange phone-- even if it now is today's midrange device.
That's practically a side note though compared to the real issue. The majority of Android customers do not care about updates. No poll you will ever conduct on XDA or any Android or mobile enthusiast site is going to matter in this regard, because the representative responder bias is ridiculously, ludicrously high. So long as a device is current "enough" (that is, it supports most apps in the Play Store), consumers are none the wiser for each Android update, and chalk new features to a new phone.
Oh, and considering the contract upgrade cycle, people care even less. Even on the iOS side where you can expect an update rather regularly, most individual users will shrug their shoulders unless the update breaks something.
Simply put: yes, this will raise a stink in the developer community, and anyone maybe one step removed from a developer/enthusiast. But is it going to change the market? No, and even if it did it wouldn't hold a candle to the impact HTC and Samsung/s gross disparity in marketing reserves will have.
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This says it. I just wonder though why the people who are stating such bad history by their own opinions still posting from yet another HTC? But hey. I like HTC. I font keep one handset over 6-12 months anyway. So...no worries. But hope you all settle to the reality that once a device is sent its share of updates and fixes and complaints stop in huge forms they will move on. Your buying the handset with firmware as is. They are only entitled to fix what's broken not add stuff the new devices have. That's bad business 101. They are just that. Big business.
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XaoSilentrzk said:
Nonetheless, any way you slice it... Bad move for HTC. I lurked over to their forums (One S) and many users are pissed
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Well, let me think...a forum of people who use the One S, care enough to sign up on a forum, and not just any forum, on the XDA One S forum (and others), and...what do you have there? Respondent bias! I don't think you get it: for the vast, vast majority of users out there, they do not know enough to care.
And no, it's not an "any way you slice it" situation. Basic economics dictate that you take the best option over a given time horizon. Believe it or not, that does in fact factor in things like customer loyalty and brand name. I have precious little doubt that there were serious discussions about updating the One S, particularly given how much contrary information there was in the beginning of this process. At the end of the day, several things are readily apparent.
1) For good or bad reasons, Sense 5.x was designed for newer processors than the one in the HTC One S.
2) Consequently, HTC needed to both the underlying Android firmware to 4.2 (and if you're going to say "4.1 to 4.2 was such a minor update", think about what "minor" can mean distributed over x number of handsets running different software, in different locations, and in the hands of users of wildly varying degrees of proficiency-- and think of what happened during the 4.2 upgrade for many devices ["my tablet is so slowwwww" "my battery sucks!"]) and backport Sense 5.0 to an older processor design. When you're doing optimization, that's not easy.
3) The HTC One S is a phone that's a generation behind. It never enjoyed the same success as equivalent Samsung models, either.
4) No One S units are still being sold as new stock: HTC gains no further revenue from selling these handsets.
5) HTC's One has been released inside the envelope for contract upgrades for a large number of people who used HTC's last "great" product line.
HTC is going to put its resources where it can earn money. Right now, it doesn't really have time or stamina to try and maintain phones that it essentially jettisoned by going all-in on the HTC One.

Well... Sucks for those guys
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Rirere said:
Well, let me think...a forum of people who use the One S, care enough to sign up on a forum, and not just any forum, on the XDA One S forum (and others), and...what do you have there? Respondent bias! I don't think you get it: for the vast, vast majority of users out there, they do not know enough to care.
And no, it's not an "any way you slice it" situation. Basic economics dictate that you take the best option over a given time horizon. Believe it or not, that does in fact factor in things like customer loyalty and brand name. I have precious little doubt that there were serious discussions about updating the One S, particularly given how much contrary information there was in the beginning of this process. At the end of the day, several things are readily apparent.
1) For good or bad reasons, Sense 5.x was designed for newer processors than the one in the HTC One S.
2) Consequently, HTC needed to both the underlying Android firmware to 4.2 (and if you're going to say "4.1 to 4.2 was such a minor update", think about what "minor" can mean distributed over x number of handsets running different software, in different locations, and in the hands of users of wildly varying degrees of proficiency-- and think of what happened during the 4.2 upgrade for many devices ["my tablet is so slowwwww" "my battery sucks!"]) and backport Sense 5.0 to an older processor design. When you're doing optimization, that's not easy.
3) The HTC One S is a phone that's a generation behind. It never enjoyed the same success as equivalent Samsung models, either.
4) No One S units are still being sold as new stock: HTC gains no further revenue from selling these handsets.
5) HTC's One has been released inside the envelope for contract upgrades for a large number of people who used HTC's last "great" product line.
HTC is going to put its resources where it can earn money. Right now, it doesn't really have time or stamina to try and maintain phones that it essentially jettisoned by going all-in on the HTC One.
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Well the HTC one s came out the same time as the one x. So I don't get what you're trying to say. The one s can easily run sense 5. It has a dual core snapdragon processor with 1gb of ram
Sense 5 has a very low memory footprint, even less than sense 4.
Not trying to make Samsung look good, but they do a better job in updating their old phones to the best of their ability.
Lets see how you'll feel next year when HTC does the same thing to you. Don't believe me? The track record speaks for itself.
Saying that HTC will only put resources where they can earn money is very short sighted and not a way a smartphone company should do business, plus killing a phone in one year is unheard of. If you accept these practises then don't say anything when your investment gets killed off and forgotten next spring
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flex360 said:
Well the HTC one s came out the same time as the one x. So I don't get what you're trying to say. The one s can easily run sense 5. It has a dual core snapdragon processor with 1gb of ram
Sense 5 has a very low memory footprint, even less than sense 4.
Not trying to make Samsung look good, but they do a better job in updating their old phones to the best of their ability.
Lets see how you'll feel next year when HTC does the same thing to you. Don't believe me? The track record speaks for itself.
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I don't think you're really following the points.
1. Not relevant. The One S was aimed at a different market sector, almost specifically so (small carriers, mid-range specs). That it came out at the same time as the One X is about as useful as saying any one of Samsung's SII variants were released at the same time as the SIII (or more appropriately, the lower-spec'd SIII variants with the SIII proper). Temporal proximity is by far and away not a useful way of measuring Android updates if the past is anything to go by.
2. Sure, the One S could run Sense 5.0. Not the problem here. It's not even an issue of whether or not the One S would run it well. For a business, the question isn't really "can x do y," it's "can x do y and generate enough utility to be worthwhile?" So many people on this forum seem to think that these companies push updates out of goodwill. When they do push updates, it's a very calculated decision.
3. Sure. Samsung's also got the luxury of an enormous war chest right now. When it comes down to resources, HTC's flat out not going to be able to match Samsung. That's with little judgment on either company as a phonemaker, but simply a point of fact. HTC is trying to focus in on a few handsets to preserve itself as best as it can, and updating older phones that sold in small quantities isn't part of that mission statement.
4. To be quite honest, I'm absolutely uncertain what you're trying to prove with this one. For one (har), I'd be more interested in seeing how HTC acts with regards to the One X, which is comparable to the One (both have flagship status, after all) than the One S. For another, given HTC's major push on this single phone (there's no comparison between the One and the One X/S/V/SV in terms of marketing), I would be surprised if they didn't try to support this to the same extent as any Samsung flagship.
But the bigger thing that I find funny here is that you act like it's relevant to me. Newsflash: it's not. It's not as though Sprint users are strangers to slow updates, and once my contract is up I'll probably go prepaid GSM or unlock my One and use it for cell/text only with no data, again on GSM. The One was the most interesting phone available to me after my Galaxy Nexus, and I'll enjoy the phone for what it's worth. As an electronics collector though, I'm fairly accustomed to buying new kit from year to year, so hey, small matter.

Rirere said:
I don't think you're really following the points.
1. Not relevant. The One S was aimed at a different market sector, almost specifically so (small carriers, mid-range specs). That it came out at the same time as the One X is about as useful as saying any one of Samsung's SII variants were released at the same time as the SIII (or more appropriately, the lower-spec'd SIII variants with the SIII proper). Temporal proximity is by far and away not a useful way of measuring Android updates if the past is anything to go by.
2. Sure, the One S could run Sense 5.0. Not the problem here. It's not even an issue of whether or not the One S would run it well. For a business, the question isn't really "can x do y," it's "can x do y and generate enough utility to be worthwhile?" So many people on this forum seem to think that these companies push updates out of goodwill. When they do push updates, it's a very calculated decision.
3. Sure. Samsung's also got the luxury of an enormous war chest right now. When it comes down to resources, HTC's flat out not going to be able to match Samsung. That's with little judgment on either company as a phonemaker, but simply a point of fact. HTC is trying to focus in on a few handsets to preserve itself as best as it can, and updating older phones that sold in small quantities isn't part of that mission statement.
4. To be quite honest, I'm absolutely uncertain what you're trying to prove with this one. For one (har), I'd be more interested in seeing how HTC acts with regards to the One X, which is comparable to the One (both have flagship status, after all) than the One S. For another, given HTC's major push on this single phone (there's no comparison between the One and the One X/S/V/SV in terms of marketing), I would be surprised if they didn't try to support this to the same extent as any Samsung flagship.
But the bigger thing that I find funny here is that you act like it's relevant to me. Newsflash: it's not. It's not as though Sprint users are strangers to slow updates, and once my contract is up I'll probably go prepaid GSM or unlock my One and use it for cell/text only with no data, again on GSM. The One was the most interesting phone available to me after my Galaxy Nexus, and I'll enjoy the phone for what it's worth. As an electronics collector though, I'm fairly accustomed to buying new kit from year to year, so hey, small matter.
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You could write 10 more paragraphs but you still will be writing a wall of nonsense
A phone should not be killed off in a year, and that's my point.
More power to you if you want to buy a new phone every year.
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flex360 said:
You could write 10 more paragraphs but you still will be writing a wall of nonsense
A phone should not be killed off in a year, and that's my point.
More power to you if you want to buy a new phone every year.
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And you can be as dismissive and naive as you want, but you're still lacking for answers.
Sure, I agree: a phone shouldn't be killed off in a year. I have a similar belief for computers. Doesn't change the fact that any device will be outdated in six months, and that a company has very little interest in doing anything that would keep you from buying a new device.
But hey, more power to you if you naively believe that equipment manufacturers are going to work against a profit motive.

I'm going to say I'm riding with Flex here
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Yea s2 went from
2.3
4.0
And recently 4.1.2
E3d 2.3
4.0.4
So i just hope we get more than one goddamn major update or ill be leaving htc for good
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XaoSilentrzk said:
I'm going to say I'm riding with Flex here
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I'm not. Rirere is right. The One S was a mid range phone and with that you will always get LESS which is why it costs less. One of those "lesses" is you aren't going to get cutting edge support that you should get with a flagship device. (I say should because the E3D was supposedly a flagship device and we got seriously boned on that one.)
Raising a stink over a midrange phone that never sold all that well to begin with is silly and if I had bought one I'd accept that fact. I'd go "well, it really wasn't the top model anyway, oh well."
I don't think this will hurt HTC AT ALL and it shouldn't. Sucks for the 9 people who bought a HOS and not a HOX. Lol
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XaoSilentrzk said:
I'm going to say I'm riding with Flex here
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Brown noser
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felacio said:
I'm not. Rirere is right. The One S was a mid range phone and with that you will always get LESS which is why it costs less. One of those "lesses" is you aren't going to get cutting edge support that you should get with a flagship device. (I say should because the E3D was supposedly a flagship device and we got seriously boned on that one.)
Raising a stink over a midrange phone that never sold all that well to begin with is silly and if I had bought one I'd accept that fact. I'd go "well, it really wasn't the top model anyway, oh well."
I don't think this will hurt HTC AT ALL and it shouldn't. Sucks for the 9 people who bought a HOS and not a HOX. Lol
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Pretty much, which in my opinion is a real damn shame because the One S was my first prolonged encounter with HTC phones. I was interning with a security firm last summer and doing some device testing, and out of all the phones I got to play with (including the Galaxy S III and the HTC One X), the One S was by far and away my favorite of the bunch. I'm actually not at all sure why they didn't use its design as the "premium" handset-- the lighter, slick polycarbonate on the One X felt decidedly less comfortable in the hand and I never actually got used to how I had to hold the One X to use it.
Still, such is life. I'd love it if Key Lime Pie had manufacturers segment off their skins as true "overlays" on stock Android, and thus allowed updates to roll out from Google. Given the company's aggressive severance of services from the underlying Android base though, this issue could well be moot in a few more product cycles, which is equally interesting.

felacio said:
I'm not. Rirere is right. The One S was a mid range phone and with that you will always get LESS which is why it costs less. One of those "lesses" is you aren't going to get cutting edge support that you should get with a flagship device. (I say should because the E3D was supposedly a flagship device and we got seriously boned on that one.)
Raising a stink over a midrange phone that never sold all that well to begin with is silly and if I had bought one I'd accept that fact. I'd go "well, it really wasn't the top model anyway, oh well."
I don't think this will hurt HTC AT ALL and it shouldn't. Sucks for the 9 people who bought a HOS and not a HOX. Lol
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Explain the desire HD fiasco then, explain the HTC thunderbolt fiasco... Dude accept it... HTC is slacking.
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Nexus to be replaced by Android Silver Handsets (rumored)

Here's an interesting article I just came across on the Verge about a few sources saying the Google will retire the Nexus Line and reboot it with Android Silver handsets that will be sold in stores and highly marketed, but with presumably higher specs.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/29/5664702/google-nexus-to-be-replaced-by-android-silver
International Buinsess Article
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5504...-release-date-specs-features.htm#.U2LtifldV8E
"The rumoured "Android Silver" line will replace the Nexus program. The line included more high-end and more expensive devices. It was claimed that Google wants to focus on giving consumers devices that are bumped in the hardware side while enjoying pure Android experience." (International Business)
What do you think? I would be willing to go for a all around premium "Nexus" phone as long as the cost wasn't too much and it worked on all major carriers.

simms22 said:
i call bs.
as every year there is another rumor that there wont be another nexus, yet every year comes a nexus.
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I'm hoping that this is not true, if it is, we should start an online petition to keep the Nexus brand going.. I hate bloatware, carrier logos and all of the other nonsense that comes on phones from the carriers. My last few phones have been Nexus devices, and everytime i buy a carrier branded phone, i just end up selling it or returning it. Once you go nexus you cant go back..
Just my .02 cents.

I just posted two similar links here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52289003
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I think that is only one more rumor surrounding Nexus brand

Google can call the program whatever they want to call it. As long as they offer a device with vanilla Android, without carrier and manufacturer bloatware, with at least mid-range specs at a reasonable price I'm happy.

Rumors only...lock it before it spreads! eeek

Guys we have the last nexus Google can't keep making this phone it hurts its partners and now with the one plus one there is no point. I prefer a premium device instead of the cuts made to nexus like battery and camera
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Some of you guys are still in the negation phase
i mean, i love the nexus line too, but there are many indications that Android Silver is going to become a reality soon, some of the leakers of this news are credible sources and probably with direct connections in Google itself (well at least more credible than random people on a forum stating the opposite with no clues whatsoever) . You do the maths.

Fataldesain said:
Guys we have the last nexus Google can't keep making this phone it hurts its partners and now with the one plus one there is no point.
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I hope you are joking. The OnePlus is not even on Google's radar. I would assume the Android Silver program is true based on who is reporting it. At the end of the day, Google isn't going to stop offering an affordable Android phone with vanilla Android. It seems the silver program is just extending the GPE program to carriers. Surely, they aren't killing off the Play Store so there are no worries. Whether or not they call their phones "Nexus" phones doesn't matter to me because one will still be available from the Play Store.

Cautiously optimistic about this. Could be interesting.
I hope they keep the competitive pricing...

I feel the android manufacturers and carriers are never going to want a reasonably priced google phone that is heavily marketed next to their pricy flagships. Something about it doesn't add up. If they are GPe priced i'm sure the carriers and manufacturers wouldn't mind but then marketing that is much harder and they wouldn't sell many. I just can't picture them being welcome in retail next to the other phones.

Seadra said:
idk, Android Silver concept first came in light few months back, and that time it was in the rumor stage, but now verge is reporting it and verge isn't one to bull**** users. Verge also has close contacts with Google, and it's sources can be trusted. Though I hope this DOESN'T happen. Also, next nexus will come this year, the android silver concept is staged for 2015.
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Verge after the Galaxy Nexus era is as much bullsh*t as the rest. Their review for the Nexus 5 is a joke for an example.
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Here's some more information about the possible Android Silver.
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5504...-release-date-specs-features.htm#.U2LtifldV8E
"The rumoured "Android Silver" line will replace the Nexus program. The line included more high-end and more expensive devices. It was claimed that Google wants to focus on giving consumers devices that are bumped in the hardware side while enjoying pure Android experience." (International Business)

That's an even ****tier source than The Verge!
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IBtimes should be banned from posting anything about technology until they can do some fact checking. It's nothing but a clickbait site with a bunch of repeated in(or mis)formation.
This Android Silver idea sounds like it really could be a benefit if Google truly does put serious effort into it. I just think android has gotten to a point now that serious changes like this need to be considered in order to help potentially solve the issues many developers have (by having just a few "focus" devices every year". I own an iPad as well as N5 and I must say that the quality of most apps for the iPad are consistently phenomenal; I unfortunately can't say that in my experience with android (though the situation has majorly improved I'd say in the past year or so)

Melamunna said:
IBtimes should be banned from posting anything about technology until they can do some fact checking. It's nothing but a clickbait site with a bunch of repeated in(or mis)formation.
This Android Silver idea sounds like it really could be a benefit if Google truly does put serious effort into it. I just think android has gotten to a point now that serious changes like this need to be considered in order to help potentially solve the issues many developers have (by having just a few "focus" devices every year". I own an iPad as well as N5 and I must say that the quality of most apps for the iPad are consistently phenomenal; I unfortunately can't say that in my experience with android (though the situation has majorly improved I'd say in the past year or so)
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Agreed
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It's not often you see a non-geek for example carrying a Nexus 5. Those people would rather go for huge flagships that show up on TV. Google wants a piece of the pie now and so they're probably going the same route as Samsung while keeping Android as vanilla as possible. Besides if the Project Hera theme is to be true, the home button now says Google. Google is slowly but surely inserting their brand name into everything to directly compete with Apple and Samsung devices and services.
The Nexus 5 advocate (Team Inferno)

Still think that this whole android silver thing is going to be similar to Google Play Edtion ( GPE ) phones.
There will be Xperia Z3 silver edition, HTC one M9 silver edition , Samsung Galaxy S6 Silver edition. All running vanilla android.
Just my 2 cents.

To me the issue is what you can and can't do in these supposed silver editions. Will they all have the freedom to flash this that and the other thing, downgrade boot loaders at will....etc etc.
The current developer edition phones of other makers still usually don't come with the freedom of a nexus. Not totally.
Again, my example is the moto x. All moto x's, including the developer edition, can't downgrade their os after flashing 4.4.2. The boot loader won't allow it. And those that find a way to downgrade, and make one false move....brick their phones. So that phone is not even close to the flexibility of a nexus.
That's my worry.

I think that Google won't do this
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