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Motorola Milestone - 3G Mobile Hotspot running hot!!!

Hey,
I've been running the 3G Mobile Hotspot app on my Milestone running 2.2. I'm aware that the app isn't meant for the phone, but it's running very hot and i'm worried that it might damage the phone. I'm sure its taking a hit on battery life too but that isn't much of a problem as the heat.
So thanks in advance to anyone who can answer.
Kris

maybe you can underclock during that time.
CPU Tuner is good for that (disable profiles and pick a speed)

zeppelinrox said:
maybe you can underclock during that time.
CPU Tuner is good for that (disable profiles and pick a speed)
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Ah CPU Tuner i see, i was thinking of SetCPU is there a major difference between the two? I'm kinda new to Android stuff hehe.
Thanks,
Kris

linkandzelda said:
Hey,
I've been running the 3G Mobile Hotspot app on my Milestone running 2.2. I'm aware that the app isn't meant for the phone, but it's running very hot and i'm worried that it might damage the phone. I'm sure its taking a hit on battery life too but that isn't much of a problem as the heat.
So thanks in advance to anyone who can answer.
Kris
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I noticed the same heat issue, but i ran my phone (plugged in and overclocked too 900) for 1 week straight in this mode with 4 laptops connected to it (spring break) with no issue.
I guess it may reduce the lifespan of the phone, but who will be running this phone in 2 years?
Sent from my Milstone running CM7

Caz666 said:
I noticed the same heat issue, but i ran my phone (plugged in and overclocked too 900) for 1 week straight in this mode with 4 laptops connected to it (spring break) with no issue.
I guess it may reduce the lifespan of the phone, but who will be running this phone in 2 years?
Sent from my Milstone running CM7
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Ah I see. Thats good to hear. I was wondering something, while it was lugged in was it charging the battery up too? Or was it using it at a fast rate that it didn't charge at all?

linkandzelda said:
Ah I see. Thats good to hear. I was wondering something, while it was lugged in was it charging the battery up too? Or was it using it at a fast rate that it didn't charge at all?
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It was charging and evrything was working.
Sent from my Milstone running CM7

linkandzelda said:
Ah CPU Tuner i see, i was thinking of SetCPU is there a major difference between the two? I'm kinda new to Android stuff hehe.
Thanks,
Kris
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CPU Tuner does more and uses less resources than SetCPU, I'm pretty sure.
Even when I disabled all features of SetCPU, it would remain in memory so I uninstalled it.
I only tried it just to see what the fuss was about, since I was already using CPU Tuner.
I can use a different governor in different profiles which get activitated with different triggers.
I guess that sounds complicated but it's a real easy to understand interface.
With a couple of recent added features, I no longer need Juice Defender
In reality, you can use it to replace SetCPU, Juice Defender and Toggle2g/3g.
And the thing is like a camel.. it barely drinks anything.
Here's some info from a previous post...
I use ondemand, smartass and conservative... sometimes performance (you know... just for benchmarking)
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Smartass is amazing when the screen is off... it will sit at 250mhz nearly the whole time.
Interactive isn't very good for that at all but Conservative is OK.
With the phone unplugged my setup is:
Smartass - battery is above 70% (but not on a phone call) and whenever the screen is off (with reduced overclock).
Conservative - battery below 70% and always when on the phone.

Well that looks great! I will definitely try it out thanks for telling me about it!

You're welcome

zeppelinrox said:
CPU Tuner does more and uses less resources than SetCPU, I'm pretty sure.
Even when I disabled all features of SetCPU, it would remain in memory so I uninstalled it.
I only tried it just to see what the fuss was about, since I was already using CPU Tuner.
I can use a different governor in different profiles which get activitated with different triggers.
I guess that sounds complicated but it's a real easy to understand interface.
With a couple of recent added features, I no longer need Juice Defender
In reality, you can use it to replace SetCPU, Juice Defender and Toggle2g/3g.
And the thing is like a camel.. it barely drinks anything.
Here's some info from a previous post...
I use ondemand, smartass and conservative... sometimes performance (you know... just for benchmarking)
Smartass is amazing when the screen is off... it will sit at 250mhz nearly the whole time.
Interactive isn't very good for that at all but Conservative is OK.
With the phone unplugged my setup is:
Smartass - battery is above 70% (but not on a phone call) and whenever the screen is off (with reduced overclock).
Conservative - battery below 70% and always when on the phone.
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Im using Juce Defender to take care about my CPU speed. U think CPU Tuner is better? Maybe i sould get it if its so awesom...

I place mine in the refridgerator.

It's free... worth a try without risk heh
JD wouldn't do any CPU speed on my rom so I forgot that it even has that feature

Post your bench!

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Suck it stock IncS.

3651 at that same frequency.
my loss of points was SD card because I'm using a class 2 16gb card, not the 8gb class 4 that came with it.

Different benchmarks as I took them a few weeks ago, but could be interesting for the sake of comparison anyways. The first picture was taken at stock clock speed using the Quadrant benchmark. The second was taken @ 1209MHz and the third @ 1401MHz I believe (I didn't take note so it may vary +- 100MHz). I wasn't brave enough to go any higher Although I know that the Tiamat kernel could allow you to go up to 2.0GHz which is just ridiculous. Setup shown in my signature.

ARHD 1.1.7 and Quadrant Advanced.

itsbeertimenow said:
All day...
Suck it stock IncS.
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I was wondering what ROM you were using on that test?
Sent from my Incredible S using xda premium

AnTuTu
Quadrant

More recent

this competition may lead to some bricked devices..anyways will make a good paper weight...

Sent from my inspire 4g using cm7 n259

to all the benchmark freaks:
i tested several roms using antutu benchmark. when i compare my results with other IncS results i get less points (between 2600-2900). the main difference i saw are the points CPU integer (~740 , but others guys had ~1000) and CPU floatpoints (~320). tried on cleam roms and roms i tweaked with beater etc..
is it possible that i harmed my CPU with OC/UV in the past?
are my UV settings restored to default after flashing a new rom?

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That's not an incredible s, and if it is, congratulations you have the worlds fastest Incs.

itsbeertimenow said:
That's not an incredible s, and if it is, congratulations you have the worlds fastest Incs.
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All I know is that guy has an Incredible S phone and today isn't national trolling day, right? So this even is actually possible, but still very hard to believe. Even though he managed to overclock it's GPU then it's more reasonable...
So here's my benchmark http://www.upload.ee/image/1850697/2011-11-29_22-45-30.png -.-

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specifications please. thats really amazing bechmark !

highKo said:
to all the benchmark freaks:
i tested several roms using antutu benchmark. when i compare my results with other IncS results i get less points (between 2600-2900). the main difference i saw are the points CPU integer (~740 , but others guys had ~1000) and CPU floatpoints (~320). tried on cleam roms and roms i tweaked with beater etc..
is it possible that i harmed my CPU with OC/UV in the past?
are my UV settings restored to default after flashing a new rom?
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tried the new virtuous rom now, still same results :-/

highKo said:
tried the new virtuous rom now, still same results :-/
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The uv/oc setting s are always restored to the kernel default once your phone is restarted unless you have your app set to "set on boot" which is never a good idea as bricks are made this way. And yes when you flash a new Rom it installs a new kernel and your setting s are set to the kernels default until you set up your oc app from wihtin your Rom.

I always failed on 1.5Ghz ~ 2.0Ghz. It was stop working and freeze. Anyone succeed?

keroro430 said:
I always failed on 1.5Ghz ~ 2.0Ghz. It was stop working and freeze. Anyone succeed?
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That bench was clocked at 1804 it tottally depends on which Rom your using and which kernel. That was cm nihtlies and I can't remember the kernel, all I remember was the title contained the words "lightning fast". I've used roms with kernels that won't let you surpass 1.1 ghz and I've used ones that let you o.c. to 2.1. Weather or not your phone locks up is a different story. It doesn't seem to matter if its sense or aosp as I've had both clocked over 1.8. Generally the phone will freeze if you have uncompatible settings and it tries to run more than 4 processes at once.

here's mine.
Cyanogenmod 7 Nightly + Lord Clockan's kernel also ICS theme really looks great.
This bench is at 1.6Ghz but normally it's set to ~1.2Ghz and get almost 3 days battery life.
Incredible S is an incredible phone!

[Q] is it normal i can run cpu without problemsat 864MHz?

hi there !
as written in the topic i'm using gingerzaraki rom and i overclocked till 864MHz and it looks like normal, without any problems? i ask this because most of people don't run at that frequency

white_cat said:
hi there !
as written in the topic i'm using gingerzaraki rom and i overclocked till 864MHz and it looks like normal, without any problems? i ask this because most of people don't run at that frequency
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What a lucky guy!!!!
Absolutely it can decrease your x8's life due damages to chip set & overhead.(+high battery drain)
anyways overclocking more than 729 MHz is not recommended (by me)
& over clock to 864 just in benchmarking
Sent From My BEAST , I mean X8

white_cat said:
hi there !
as written in the topic i'm using gingerzaraki rom and i overclocked till 864MHz and it looks like normal, without any problems? i ask this because most of people don't run at that frequency
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That's too much overclocking
But your CPU can handle that
Some device get rebooted on 787+:sly:
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i guess i will scale at a lower frequency, i wouldnt like a burned phone but it seemed cool at 864

white_cat said:
i guess i will scale at a lower frequency, i wouldnt like a burned phone but it seemed cool at 864
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Lol! it will not burn that requires too much heat ...
But it will decrease life definitely
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Firstly you can't burn phone with overclocking.
Seconldy, stability of cpu depends on the level of batery. For example: My phone runs 806mhz without any problem when batery is fully charged. When baterry level is about 60% my phone is much more unstable. So try to set this frequency when your battery level is low.

Are you sure its x8?
Lol
What have you done to your phone??:what:
:good: as long as you don't have any problem its ok

Do a big smile, because you are lucky. And this is normal, the 7x27 chips can handle 8-900 MHz without any problem, but the most x8 owner have low quality SoC with 600 MHz, the high quality chips marked and sold as 7x27T with 800MHz default clock (you can find it in low end galaxy models and other phones what equipped with 7x27 but the default clock is 800 MHz).
Wait while the battery level is only 10-15% and burn the phone with games/benchmarks. If the phone not freeze while the battery turn to empty, you can use this frequency (when the battery level is low, the cpu got lower voltage, this is normal, the difference not significant, only few mV but sometime this is enough to make the phone unstable).
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i used 864MHz when battery was at 7% and i did antutu benchmark score was about 3780...it's stable also with very low battery
anyway the score wasn't so good i guess because sdcard is really bad
i will post screenshot of battery and antutu as soon as i go again at low batter

white_cat said:
i used 864MHz when battery was at 7% and i did antutu benchmark score was about 3780...it's stable also with very low battery
anyway the score wasn't so good i guess because sdcard is really bad
i will post screenshot of battery and antutu as soon as i go again at low batter
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:what:
This score is very good:thumbup:
Mine is only around 2500 without overclocking
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I dont think theres any life drop on the cpu when overclocking too much - contrary to what people believe. Ive oced dozens of cpus and havent seen one burn and die from that. All modern chips will simply reset if they cant handle it.
My shakira can easily handle 800+ so its always running at these levels since i got it. And yea, its better at benchmarks like this
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nobodyAtall said:
I dont think theres any life drop on the cpu when overclocking too much - contrary to what people believe. Ive oced dozens of cpus and havent seen one burn and die from that. All modern chips will simply reset if they cant handle it.
My shakira can easily handle 800+ so its always running at these levels since i got it. And yea, its better at benchmarks like this
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Soo
Shall we overclock at maximum possible value??

You men are lucky. I just insmod the overclock module and the system fails in seconds

xWhiskey said:
You men are lucky. I just insmod the overclock module and the system fails in seconds
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I think you are the only one whose system crashed just after using insmod command

Gogeta said:
I think you are the only one whose system crashed just after using insmod command
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Aye. My mother always said I was special.

xWhiskey said:
Aye. My mother always said I was special.
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can you write in detail the steps you did? the module and insmod.
[cAs]

cascabel said:
can you write in detail the steps you did? the module and insmod.
[cAs]
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The ROM already had the module, but it wasn't provisioned for in hw_config because of possible instabilities. All I did was to insmod it via Terminal Emulator just to see if the overclock was possible, but the system crashed almost instantly. When the ROM was still fresh, it actually managed to work, but everything was extremely slow and laggy. My idea is either that the stock kernel or the ROM just don't do that well with overclocking, so I just abandoned the concept completely. Besides, I'm satisfied with the performance anyway. No need for perfectionism here

[Q] Incredibly hot battery temp!

Hi, I overclocked my One to 2.16 GHz (CPU) and 450 MHz (GPU)... when I play heavy games I reach really hot temperatures, the highest I get was 56.5 ℃ (133.7 ℉)... My question is: can the phone handle temperatures like these, or I risk to "fry" it?
P.S.: Sorry for my bad english!

It'll shut off when it gets too hot. 56.5 should be fine for playing games
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 Beta

Why would you overclock a already fast phone to 2.16ghz ?

drakeymcmb said:
Why would you overclock a already fast phone to 2.16ghz ?
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The same reason people overclock their computer's, for that last little oompf
Enjoy your free thanks, i didn't mean to

Ugh don't overclock then...
Sent from my HTC One using xda app-developers app

drakeymcmb said:
Why would you overclock a already fast phone to 2.16ghz ?
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Also wondering...in comparision videos of galaxy s4 vs the htc one i see the galaxy s4 starts apps faster and loads maps faster ingame.
Maybe this makes the difference or makes the one even faster?
Someone should do a video.
Also whats your battery life while gaming if i may ask?

drakeymcmb said:
Why would you overclock a already fast phone to 2.16ghz ?
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To see how far can it go. But if the temp is unsafe, I will downclock it.
@xxquicksh0txx: Are you sure? So can I consider 56.5 ℃ a Sade temperature?

xxquicksh0txx said:
The same reason people overclock their computer's, for that last little oompf
Enjoy your free thanks, i didn't mean to
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But at least on the PC you can feel the extra 2fps /sarcasm

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Hi, I overclocked my One to
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Duh. No wonder it is overheating.

borgqueenx said:
Also whats your battery life while gaming if i may ask?
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I don't know because I play with the phone plugged in the charger.

serialtoon said:
But at least on the PC you can feel the extra 2fps /sarcasm
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True, there really is no point in overclocking right now. Seeing as we can max out everything basically.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 Beta

Don't play while recharging the phone, makes the phone heat up faster
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I think that it will "fry" soon at 2.16 Ghz

ImJacky said:
I think that it will "fry" soon at 2.16 Ghz
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It is indeed dangerous to pressure your phone for a long period of time at those levels. If I want to play games I fire up my Xbox.
Sent from my HTC One

mate this is not a PC... it doesnt have the tolerances to hold such a high overclock. replace the heatsink with a noctua or something like i have in my pc below then you can overclock as much as you want. Dont cry the day your phone stops working
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aliquo93 said:
I don't know because I play with the phone plugged in the charger.
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I'm starting to think you're a troll.

ArmedandDangerous said:
I'm starting to think you're a troll.
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No, I'm not, lol. If I play with the phone unplugged the battery goes down too quickly.
Anyway, I heard that HTC tests their devices at hot temperatures, and I know that when a phone overheates too much, it reboots automatically, like a PC. It's never happened to me, so I think it's stable for now.

aliquo93 said:
No, I'm not, lol. If I play with the phone unplugged the battery goes down too quickly.
Anyway, I heard that HTC tests their devices at hot temperatures, and I know that when a phone overheates too much, it reboots automatically, like a PC. It's never happened to me, so I think it's stable for now.
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I think you should bump it down to 1.9 GHz and undervolt it a tad, and be sure to play unplugged, no matter what the battery is like. If you're finding the battery poor, I assue you that I find most games work fine at 1.1GHz ( Power Saving mode ON) with only neglible slower loading times (some games will take 10 seconds longer to load, but the battery is much improved). Turning your brightness down will also help to reduce those temperatures and increase the battery life while gaming.

In hamdir's gaming thread he did a test that showed underclocking the cpu didn't affect gaming (same as overclocking) since the gpu continued to run at 400mhz (or 450 when overclocked). Either way there is no need to really burn the thing at 2.16 unless you plan on using aftermarket cooling lol

[KERNEL] 2.55 GHz overclock for SHIELD (need testers!)

2.55 GHz overclock for SHIELD
Please help test this - while there is definitely a measurable improvement in performance, it is kind of inconsistent with the sort of increases I'd expect this clock speed to bring. I have been testing this for a few days, and I'm not quite sure whether this is due to the hardware reporting the wrong clock speeds on the relevant PLLs, an overgressive power management/dvfs quirk, or a bottleneck somewhere. I did have to track down a kernel bug preventing higher clocks that turned out to be an issue with NVIDIA using a signed long where they should have used an unsigned long.
Flashing:
0. Make sure you are on the current OTA.
1. Unlock your bootloader.
2. Test the kernel: fastboot boot boot-roth-oc.img
3. See if it crashes while booting. If it does, don't proceed to the next step, and post a reply below. Before you flash, verify that you're running my kernel by checking for "[email protected]" either in the Kernel Version field in About SHIELD, doing a cat /proc/version (in case you didn't see it crashing), or verifying the maximum CPU speed is 2550 MHz.
4. If all goes well, flash the kernel: fastboot flash boot boot-roth-oc.img
Note: This boot.img is insecure (ro.secure=0) for easier debugging. Userspace apps shouldn't work yet, so this boots at 2550 MHz.
As always, boot/flash this at your own risk, though this kernel doesn't raise voltages much.
Download: http://setcpu.com/boot-roth-oc.img
Relevant patches: https://github.com/coolbho3k/kernel-roth
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Mine just came in the mail. Ill try this out tonight and let you know of it goes

AndroidFileHost said:
Mine just came in the mail. Ill try this out tonight and let you know of it goes
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DUDE, this is CRAZY! I was getting almost 20 Thousand in Quadrant and 40 Thousand in AnTuTu. I want to see what this can do!
https://twitter.com/wwjoshdew/status/363142322529116160/photo/1
I haven't unlocked mine, but I will soon. Then I'd be more than happy to try out a custom kernel.

OH GOD. What are heat levels? This seems like a good way to melt hands off haha. Has anyone gotten access to the internal fans yet? If I attempt an overclock like this I'd want to have control over them like I do my desktop GPU.

Confirmed working here. Neat! Thanks very much.

Tried your Kernel. So far so good.
And the reason why you see such a inconsistent performance level is because nVidia has different CPU clocks for the Core usage:
1 Thread - Max Clock (1912MHz or with your Kernel)
2 Thread - Max Clock (1810 - 1912MHz)
4 Thread - Max Clock (1420 MHz)
/edit: Forcing a clock helps to prevent from downclocking. Antutu was 42xxx points. PPSSPP runs much better. Great work.
/edit 2: I think Tegra 4 can't statisfy a quadcore A15 with enough bandwidth. I have a CPU benchmark with scales up from 1400MHz to 2520MHz and giving 38% more performance. I see no throttling.
/edit3: Okay, i think you are right. It's not working. There is no scaling going up from 1912Mhz to 2550.

Is there a stock kernel image readily available?
Thanks!

Jesus, I go away from the forums for a week, come back, see overclocked Shield..... WHY????
Damn sweet though

DroidDont said:
Confirmed working here. Neat! Thanks very much.
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The shield is already a fast device but am still willing to test but first how is the battery life with this kernel because the battery life with stock kernel is amazing but if this kernel shortens the battery life too much then am better off with stock kernel, I will test when there is a stock kernel available just in case :good:

eman2001 said:
The shield is already a fast device but am still willing to test but first how is the battery life with this kernel because the battery life with stock kernel is amazing but if this kernel shortens the battery life too much then am better off with stock kernel, I will test when there is a stock kernel available just in case :good:
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There is a stock image available; just use the factory boot.img with the above instructions to reflash to it.

coolbho3000 said:
There is a stock image available; just use the factory boot.img with the above instructions to reflash to it.
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Have you found a fix for the slow performance at 2,55GHz?

2.55ghz...oh my! Galaxy s4 aint got a chance!:highfive:

I've been watching this thread for a couple days, nooo further responses? I take it everyone fried their Shields? Just waiting in anticipation for good news
Sent from my SHIELD using xda app-developers app

How about GPU overclocking?That will be interesting also.

Going to give this a go tonight, would it be possible to provide the stock kernel in case this one is not as stable as it might appear after initial stress testing?
Edit: nvm on stock kernel, just saw that you flash the stock boot.img

Update: booted the kernel and ran a series of benchmarks to stress test. All is stable, will be flashing for daily use.

sontin said:
Have you found a fix for the slow performance at 2,55GHz?
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Not sure if this has been brought up but when the Shield goes to sleep clock rate drops by almost half on the factory kernel both on the CPU and the GPU.
Could this issue be due to that as well?
Unity engine games and live wallpapers seem to restore it to full speed.

I'll be glad to test this. as soon as i get my Shield, that is.
hopefully by the end of next month.

antutu scores have not noticably gone up with the kernel update. fyi

Flashed this kernel after the new build 59 update today and my wifi is broken.
Could be the update itself since I didn't check before I flashed the kernel. Just throwing out to see if others have the same issue.