I'm starting this thread to see if anyone else has suddenly found themselves without the ability to use Wireless Tether for Root Users. I've used several ROMs, several kernels and several versions of WTfRU. I've been able to tether for since the day I rooted my phone. I don't use it that often and never have gone over the 5G cap that Sprint puts on our "unlimited" data service. I've wiped and flashed countless times since finding myself unable to tether. It's been a frustrating ride and I was wondering if I was alone.
ROMs I've used:
DamageControl 2.08.1
DamageControl 2.09.1
Darchdroid 2.7
Froyo AOSP 2.2
Cyanogenmod 2.2
Kernels I've used:
The stock kernels with the above ROMs.
Darch's 710 and 768 OC'd kernels.
WTfRU versions I've used:
1.06
2.02
2.05
I can't pinpoint the day that it stopped working for me. All I know is that one day I needed it and it wasn't working anymore. I can see the SSID of the network, but when I connect to it it just spins and times out. I've turned off the encryption. I've turned off the access control. I've even tried leaving my phone and WTfRU on stock settings, not even changing the SSID. I've tried everything I know how to do and I simply can't get this working again.
My phone will connect to other wireless networks and I can surf/chat/etc. My phone uses the 3G connection to do the same things just fine. My computer will connect to the same wireless networks my phone will and I can surf/chat/etc.
I can't imagine that Sprint would be able to block my computer from even connecting to my phone as a wireless hot spot. I could understand if they found a way to block the data traffic knowing that someone was rooted and using their phone as a hot spot, but not connecting to the hot spot itself.
I'm just hoping I didn't burn something up...
mine still working...........maybe it's your phone...
someonenewhere said:
mine still working...........maybe it's your phone...
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That's what I'm afraid of. I don't want to replace it, though. Last time I did that, they made me wait another year to upgrade. My upgrade is in October and I want to get an Evo... or whatever the next big thing that Sprint announces is. I was going to give this phone to my girlfriend so she could get rid of her f**king Palm Pre. On top of that, I can't just walk in and say, "Hey, my rooted phone that I'm using to wireless tether my computer to your network won't allow me to do this anymore. Could you replace it for me?"
ha!
I sold my Evo on Ebay for about $750 dollars..The Hero does almost everything the Evo does....except that we don't have two cams and a killer processor..
which ROM are you using tho?
Right now I'm using the Cyanogenmod 6.0.0 Test 4 that Darch has been working on with other people... and I'm not sure whom. I just got excited for Froyo and uploaded it. Anyway, that's the one I'm using now. I've also, just today while fighting this issue, tried DamageControl 2.08.1 and 2.09.1. I went back to Cyanogenmod, though, because I'm digging it.
I know this won't be much help, but... I'm not sure what I did but it's working now. Yes, I know... big help.
In the past 48 hours I've done everything I listed above. I also updated my PRL. I wiped data and Dalvik many times. I've uninstalled and reinstalled. I even turned it on and off again like Roy told me to. I also shook a voodoo doll at it and cursed at it in every language I know. I'm not sure which one did it, but it's working now.
Try PDANet Free from the market, and dont use the tether or share internet option, just hook it up as a disk drive and launch PDANet on your comp and on your phone. works flawlessly for me.
easytether is much cheaper if you go that route.
I had this problem as well, it depends on what version you are using. the one in the market no longer works for heros, you have to go to the wifi tether website and download 1.6, the latest version that works with the hero.
There is no 5GB cap on the unlimited data plan.
subcypher said:
I'm starting this thread to see if anyone else has suddenly found themselves without the ability to use Wireless Tether for Root Users. I've used several ROMs, several kernels and several versions of WTfRU. I've been able to tether for since the day I rooted my phone. I don't use it that often and never have gone over the 5G cap that Sprint puts on our "unlimited" data service. I've wiped and flashed countless times since finding myself unable to tether. It's been a frustrating ride and I was wondering if I was alone.
ROMs I've used:
DamageControl 2.08.1
DamageControl 2.09.1
Darchdroid 2.7
Froyo AOSP 2.2
Cyanogenmod 2.2
Kernels I've used:
The stock kernels with the above ROMs.
Darch's 710 and 768 OC'd kernels.
WTfRU versions I've used:
1.06
2.02
2.05
I can't pinpoint the day that it stopped working for me. All I know is that one day I needed it and it wasn't working anymore. I can see the SSID of the network, but when I connect to it it just spins and times out. I've turned off the encryption. I've turned off the access control. I've even tried leaving my phone and WTfRU on stock settings, not even changing the SSID. I've tried everything I know how to do and I simply can't get this working again.
My phone will connect to other wireless networks and I can surf/chat/etc. My phone uses the 3G connection to do the same things just fine. My computer will connect to the same wireless networks my phone will and I can surf/chat/etc.
I can't imagine that Sprint would be able to block my computer from even connecting to my phone as a wireless hot spot. I could understand if they found a way to block the data traffic knowing that someone was rooted and using their phone as a hot spot, but not connecting to the hot spot itself.
I'm just hoping I didn't burn something up...
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I actually have a similar problem that may end up being related somehow: I am able to start the Wireless Tether, haven't yet tested the connectivity with another device, but the phone locks up when trying to stop the tethering. I have tested with several ROMS and with each and every ROM I have tested it works fine... Until I apply the "damage537.zip", "damage710.zip", "damage710v2.zip", or "damage768.zip" OC Kernels.
As far as I can tell they're all just variations of the same Kernel, set to different OC stats out-of-the-box, so to speak.
I'm a troubleshooter by nature, so I've devoted some thought to this problem. Here's what I've come up with so far:
I perform full wipes (data, Dalvik, SD:ext, battery, and rotate) before installing any ROM.
Th ROMS I've tested so far are: Fresh Hero 2.3.3, Fresh Toast v21 heroc, Hero.C.Sprint_2.27.651.6 Deodexed, RegawMOD v2.1r, RegawMOD v2.1t
With each and every ROM tested: the full wipe was done; the ROM applied; the default version of Wireless Tether for Root tested successfully; the Wireless Tether updated from Market; tested successfully; the OC Kernel applied (each of the four mentioned above tested;WITHOUT performing another wipe first); tested UNSUCCESSFULLY.
Am I doing something wrong in these steps as listed? Are there other OC Kernels available somewhere that can be tested? How about some more ROMS (when's that Wiki going back up??? )
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I had this problem as well, it depends on what version you are using. the one in the market no longer works for heros, you have to go to the wifi tether website and download 1.6, the latest version that works with the hero.
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I wasn't using one from the Market. I went here and downloaded wireless_tether_1_60_htc.apk. As I said above, this always worked for me before. I wasn't sure why it quit working. It's working again now, though, but it seems to be a bit... strained. Getting it to connect is wonky, but when it does connect it works fine. Still not sure what's going on there.
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There is no 5GB cap on the unlimited data plan.
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Read your service agreement. I pulled this directly off the service agreement on the website for the "unlimited" data plans:
Data Usage Limitation (Mobile Broadband Cards, USB Modems, Embedded Modems and Phone-As-Modem):The amount of data transmitted over our network is measured in kilobytes (KB), megabytes (MB) or gigabytes (GB). Sprint reserves the right to limit throughput speeds or amount of data transferred; and to deny, terminate, modify, disconnect or suspend service if usage either exceeds (a.) 5GB/month in total, unless specified otherwise or (b.) 300MB/month while off-network roaming. 1024KB equal 1MB. 1024MB equal 1GB.
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Hi, new poster here. I've only just started to tinker with my vogue after 2 years of suffering through WM6.1, unaware of all the outside possibilities. It's quite impressive really and i'm having a grand time with my new toy.
BUT.
I can't for the life of me understand why the data connection is not working.
I installed incubus' HTCSense release first, and it wouldn't connect (small little orange light next to the Ev symbol in notification bar:warning? error?), so I just wiped everything and installed the latest Donut. Now it says everything's fine, i can connect the modem and all, it even gives me an IP... but nothing that actually uses the data connection works; and I can't ping my IP from the outside, either.
I can't possibly be the only one with this problem, yet no thread on this forum seems to be addressing it. Does anybody know how I could track it down or work out a passable solution? I really don't have much use for Android if all it can do is be all kinds of pretty and switch between 5 screens silky-smoothly...
thanks in advance!
Vianney
PS: note that I'm on a Sprint plan, voice 200m + unlimited data, no text.
have you tried flashing back to stock windows, confirming data, then flashing to android again( either build).which voguimg.nbh file did you use?
Like hunter said, you need to flash back to the stock Sprint rom and provision data. You can download the stock rom for the vogue here or off of the Sprint downloads section. Nine times out of ten data problems seem to be because data wasn't provisioned prior to flashing Android.
this is also a good time to mention the forum search tool. since this question has been answered at least 100 times
Thanks for the suggestion! I don't suppose there's any way to save my settings/data while I flash everything back to winmo?
Provisioning might be the issue. But I had been using my Vogue on WinMo for 2 years and using data with no problem... that said, I changed my data plan from by-the-kb to unlimited since, so it might be that?
Hunter, I used incubus' included NBH for his Eclair, and voguimg-240x320-eclair-29-04-10.nbh for Vym's Warm Donut.
Kyle, I searched for a week before posting here so i'm familiar with this tool, but never could find the right answer; I'll happily educate myself if you provide me with the magic search terms.
vianneybon said:
Thanks for the suggestion! I don't suppose there's any way to save my settings/data while I flash everything back to winmo?
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Do a reboot and when the text/code starts scrolling push the volume slide up to get the install menu. There should be an option to backup data. When that's done you can put it into bootloader and flash to winmo. Once you know you have data working on winmo, try browsing around a little, you can go back into bootloader and flash the nbh file you're using for Android. When it reboots go back into the install menu. Install the system and then restore data and you're all set.
Many thanks guys, I switched back (after a few hours and scares), provisioned, switched again, and now I'm just having too much fun awesome job.
hi again
Do you have to redo this everytime data stops working? It was doing just great and stopped all of a sudden 36h ago. Now the modem connects but doesn't even get an IP, no data icon appears in notification bar, and yet all the options (sync, background data...) are back to normal.
ifconfig -a gives me info for 'lo', 'dummy0' and 'usb0', all supposedly ok but with no packet (8 on 'lo') and no error to track down.
Is it likely in need of reprovisioning? Am I going to have to do it every 15 days?
thanks,
V
Your data shouldn't just stop working. Have you trie a reboot?
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several times yeah.
It's just not even trying. The modem says 'done' but that's it, any app using data just says it couldn't establish a connection... i'm baffled.
Yesterday I flashed the "Sprint 2.27.651.6 STOCK Deoxed w/apps2sd 6/18/2010:Update 2" ROM and the wireless tether wouldn't work. When I try to start it simply says "Unable to start tethering! Please try again!"
I gave up and went back to the Fresh ROM but this time flashed 2.1.2 instead of the 2.1.1 that I was running.
I am still getting the same message now even with the Fresh ROM. Any ideas what went wrong?
No idea, but did you try uninstalling it and then reinstalling it as well as rebooting the phone? That might help if you haven't tried it yet.
Try one of these
I currently use the 1.6 version for wireless tether. It might have to do with the different kernel (anyone can step in and correct me here) but I have had situations where one release of WT didnt go with the ROM I had just flashed.
Using pure hero 2.0.9 and my wifi tether 1.6 caused my phone to turn into a pocket fireplace. Since the option to uninstall 1.6 was not there I simply removed the apk for it, then installed 2.0.2 which gave me tht "unable to start tethering error. So I uninstalled it through settings-apps. When I then installed 2.0.5 pre 5 or whatever it is, the new binaries were installed and it now works. Gotta jump through some loops to get everything from the previous version uninstalled, but in the end 2.0.5 runs way cooler and even has the battery temp gauge built in.
Has anyone got the encryption to work on the hero though? I use access control but I get so tired of seeing my neighbors trying to get on my internet with their ipad.
jlem26 said:
Has anyone got the encryption to work on the hero though? I use access control but I get so tired of seeing my neighbors trying to get on my internet with their ipad.
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LOL..I haven't even tried and no one has tried to access my WIFI here. I even opened up my Wireless router at home so anyone can use it, but no one has even tried.
I usually install the 1.6 wireless tether app, but I also have not tried the AOSP Roms or an overclocked one so I don't know if it would or would not work with those.
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LOL..I haven't even tried and no one has tried to access my WIFI here. I even opened up my Wireless router at home so anyone can use it, but no one has even tried.
I usually install the 1.6 wireless tether app, but I also have not tried the AOSP Roms or an overclocked one so I don't know if it would or would not work with those.
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1.6 on the pure hero 2.1 OC would drain the battery faster than it could charge even with overclock widget underclocking the cpu. The phone also felt like a frying pan. It was the reason I went back to pure hero 2.0.9 without OC. On the OC 2.1 I also noticed that when using any of the 2.0.2 or 2.0.5 wifi tethering you couldn't turn off tethering. If you tried to stop tethering it would freeze the phone requiring a battery pull, if you just end the process in autokiller it appears to close but continues to run in the background.
Anyway, I found a link to wireless_tether_2_0_5-pre3-test3.apk and tried it out. After I changed the channel my SSID changed to what I had it set to and all of a sudden I had a wireless AP, infrastructure mode. No more adhoc networking. However the encryption still doesn't work and trying to get a nintendo ds to connect is not working yet, guess I can look at that later.
In case anyone wants to try out the newest test version:
http://android-wifi-tether.googlecode.com/files/wireless_tether_2_0_5-pre3-test3.apk
I went back to Fresh 2.1.1 and it is now working again. I'm going to wait till Fresh 2.3 comes out and upgrade to that. If I still have an issue I'll try the newer version of wireless tether.
Thanks for the replies,
I use either DamageControl 2.9.1 or Darchdroid 2.7 and android-wifi-tether 1.6. It works great for me, doesn't drain the battery too much, doesn't turn my phone into a handwarmer, turns off and on fine, ignores access control warnings when I don't want to see or hear them. Maybe I'm the lucky one.
If I'm using the wireless tether at home I plug my phone into the wall and set it in front of a fan. I can run it all day and it won't get hot. Since it is usually faster (2Mbs-5Mbs) than my dsl I only use it when downloading files.
there is a version in the market again..it ended my freezing issue..
I don't understand...after flashing (successfully) many different ROM's I like (Darky's, FireFly, Phoenix, etc), everything works flawlessly EXCEPT the WIFI...it scans and finds all networks fine and even "connects"....however, the Internet, the Market, email, etc. never connects and always times out...even using Kies Mini to flash to the official AT&T Froyo 2.2. Literally, the ONLY ROM that allows me to use WIFI and actually WORKS is Eclair 2.1, which is extremely sh*tty!!!!! I've tried apps like FXR WIFI fixer, used linux commands from other posts, flashed/reflashed....NOTHING!!!!
What the hell am I doing wrong or not doing at all! I can't live with Eclair 2.1, but also can't live without properly working WIFI either (since my 2GB plan is $20 per month and is used up within 3 days with 3G enabled as the only option using other ROM's since WIFI is useless)....PLEASE HELP!!!!!! It's that, or I have to trade out my Captivate for another model....thank you in advance!
Not sure whats causing your issues but, no problems what so ever on serendipity (up to 5.12 now)
As a matter of fact im downloading at a minimum speed of 2mb per second
Just wondering if you might have changed your settings in the past. Did you ever use a static IP (from the advanced Wifi menu)? If so, you aren't going to be pointing at the right internet gateway, and you'll never get any connection to work. You need to go back to dynamic IPs.
Other than that, my wifi and GPS started to go flaky today, so, after a series of attempts at other things (nandroid restores, clearing the cache, uninstalling, etc) I re-flashed the same kernel. All is well and good now, for some reason.
Have you tried connecting to different wifi signals? Maybe its just the router. And what are you doing that uses 2 GB of data in 3 days?! My plan lasts me an entire month with wifi only at night and i had barely 1 GB last month.
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wow.. must be tethering alot eh?
Hmm.. if it works on Eclair - I have no clue as to why it wouldn't be working after flash to a new ROM.
Now.. I did have it do the things you were experiencing recently though... I had a solid wireless connection - I had the correct IP address assigned to the phone. I could check my GMAIL and XDA (using the apps) But if I went to the browser - nadda. But after I rebooted the phone it started working fine.
I would try a few things out though..
Have you rebooted your router? I have the worlds crappiest Lynksys and have to reboot it every now and again.
Go into your phones wireless settings and have it forget your network, reboot your phone and try setting it up again. See what happens.
And I would definitely try another network... AT&T offers a ton of wireless hot spots here were I live and I abuse them to death
Let us know how it goes.
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wow.. must be tethering alot eh?
Hmm.. if it works on Eclair - I have no clue as to why it wouldn't be working after flash to a new ROM.
Now.. I did have it do the things you were experiencing recently though... I had a solid wireless connection - I had the correct IP address assigned to the phone. I could check my GMAIL and XDA (using the apps) But if I went to the browser - nadda. But after I rebooted the phone it started working fine.
I would try a few things out though..
Have you rebooted your router? I have the worlds crappiest Lynksys and have to reboot it every now and again.
Go into your phones wireless settings and have it forget your network, reboot your phone and try setting it up again. See what happens.
And I would definitely try another network... AT&T offers a ton of wireless hot spots here were I live and I abuse them to death
Let us know how it goes.
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+1.
Those are all good things to try. And avgjoegeek, i had a handmedown linksys router for about 6 years and it drove me INSANE. I recently decided to fork over the extra cash for the best model "netgear." Makes a world of difference. Whenever i am trobleshooting, i can immeadately cross off the router as a problem lol.
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Those are all good things to try. And avgjoegeek, i had a handmedown linksys router for about 6 years and it drove me INSANE. I recently decided to fork over the extra cash for the best model "netgear." Makes a world of difference. Whenever i am trobleshooting, i can immeadately cross off the router as a problem lol.
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Linksys = crap... Linksys + ddwrt = gold.
Judging from your info it sound to me like you have a hardware issue either on the phone or the router. Reset phone, router, and modem and try again.
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WOW - a lot of great responses! Thank you to all who responded. I've tried EVERYTHING listed here with the exception of resetting my router. I WILL do that after flashing my next ROM (although hesitant). This issue happens no matter where I am (work, home, WIFI hotspots, etc)...it can't be a hardware issue, since it works flawlessly on Eclair....WEIRD! If the resetting of my router doesn't do the fix, I'll have to get another model phone...beats having to settle for Eclair, anyways!
Thank for all the suggestions and I WILL try the whole resetting of the router, although doubtfull. Thanks again!
I've had my phone for a few months now, was convinced to flash a custom ROM -- and chose Serendipity (Froyo version). I've tweaked it quite a bit, even got the ADWLauncher EX app for even more uniqueness and originality to it. I absolutely love the phone.
But suddenly today, WiFi isn't working. I can browse the internet on 3G just fine, but with a 200 MB plan, that's something I have to be cautious of. I know there's not a problem with the router because my maternal figure has the exact same kind of phone, just stock 2.2, and has no issue with WiFi whatsoever.
I had no issues for the past couple months I've had the phone rooted and flashed to Serendipity either. The internet on my computer works, internet on all other computers and internet-using devices works. It's just my phone. I've restarted the phone, attempted to forget and reconnect to the WiFi, even deleted data\wifi\bcm_supp.conf as a test to see if that'd fix it. Nothing has worked.
It's frustrating because I play a few games from time to time that require internet access, as well as use programs such as Trillian, Skype, Facebook, Twitter, etcetera that all require internet access, and I can't simply use 3G due to the data caps.
Any suggestions on regaining WiFi access, outside of reflashing the ROM?
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I've had my phone for a few months now, was convinced to flash a custom ROM -- and chose Serendipity (Froyo version). I've tweaked it quite a bit, even got the ADWLauncher EX app for even more uniqueness and originality to it. I absolutely love the phone.
But suddenly today, WiFi isn't working. I can browse the internet on 3G just fine, but with a 200 MB plan, that's something I have to be cautious of. I know there's not a problem with the router because my maternal figure has the exact same kind of phone, just stock 2.2, and has no issue with WiFi whatsoever.
I had no issues for the past couple months I've had the phone rooted and flashed to Serendipity either. The internet on my computer works, internet on all other computers and internet-using devices works. It's just my phone. I've restarted the phone, attempted to forget and reconnect to the WiFi, even deleted data\wifi\bcm_supp.conf as a test to see if that'd fix it. Nothing has worked.
It's frustrating because I play a few games from time to time that require internet access, as well as use programs such as Trillian, Skype, Facebook, Twitter, etcetera that all require internet access, and I can't simply use 3G due to the data caps.
Any suggestions on regaining WiFi access, outside of reflashing the ROM?
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You might try an app on the market called 'FXR Wifi fix and rescue'. I had some connectivity problems and it was able to reset everything and get it working again.
I've been trying many multiple things to get wireless tether to work. I currently have CM7 installed and have tried Wireless Tether for Root (versions 1.6, 2.0.7, and 3.1b2) and I've tried Barnacle Wifi Tether ver 0.6.7. In both apps, I can start tethering, but I can never see the phone from any other device (Win7, Evo 4G, iPod, Xoom). I also never see any data being transfered (up or down).
I swear I used to have tethering working on my Hero before, but I just cannot get anywhere with it. Does anyone have any suggestions I can try? Any help is greatly appreciated.
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I've been trying many multiple things to get wireless tether to work. I currently have CM7 installed and have tried Wireless Tether for Root (versions 1.6, 2.0.7, and 3.1b2) and I've tried Barnacle Wifi Tether ver 0.6.7. In both apps, I can start tethering, but I can never see the phone from any other device (Win7, Evo 4G, iPod, Xoom). I also never see any data being transfered (up or down).
I swear I used to have tethering working on my Hero before, but I just cannot get anywhere with it. Does anyone have any suggestions I can try? Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Make a Nandroid Backup!
Then Try Flashing a Different Rom, This way you can possibly determine if its the Rom, or whatever else that it may be!
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Make a Nandroid Backup!
Then Try Flashing a Different Rom, This way you can possibly determine if its the Rom, or whatever else that it may be!
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Thanks for the suggestion. That's actually the last thing I tried before I posted my question. I tried the Toast Hero 2.4.0 ROM and that didn't make any difference. I still could not get anywhere with any wireless tether, couldn't see it, and it never reported any data transfer.
Any other suggestions?
Kushdeck ftw. I tether everyday. Great rom too.
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mrb1ue said:
Thanks for the suggestion. That's actually the last thing I tried before I posted my question. I tried the Toast Hero 2.4.0 ROM and that didn't make any difference. I still could not get anywhere with any wireless tether, couldn't see it, and it never reported any data transfer.
Any other suggestions?
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Don't know if your Big on Sense Roms? But you could try my ExEnHeroC Rom... I'm Sure that Tether works, at least for Mostly everyone that I've spoke to! It should also work on the SenseFroyoV8.1 or V8.5 Roms too!
Also what Tether App are you using?
Good Luck!
Thanks everyone for the help. I think I figured out the issue. I think my issue is that the Hero can only do Ad-Hock connections. Am I correct in that? I was trying to connect to the Hero with another Android phone (HTC EVO) and a Xoom. It appears that neither of them support Ad-Hock connections.
Am I correct in all of this? Can the Hero support non-Ad-Hock connections?
hero only supports adhoc signals
Well, shoot. I thought for sure I tested it on a Win7 laptop and an iPad. I guess I didn't.
Does the bluetooth tether option work with the Hero? Thanks for all of your help with the WiFi option.
apple devices and windows will conect to it fine linux has issues.
I never had problems with Linux.
Oh, how I love my Evo 3D. Hotspot is so much better. Especially with 4G. I have my blue ray/ netflix player tethered to it to watch netflix.
"Damn you look even uglier in 3D"
im not sure about other linux distroes but on ubuntu at least it always just hangs on connecting then itll disconnect itself after five minutes or so. usb tether always worked fine though.
Have you tried PDAnet(Bluetooth&wired) ? If you don't want to switch ROM's just for tether. I've had it just over a year & am very happy with it especially after this last update.