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Message to Devs, Has anyone Mentioned this Before

Well it wasnt till sometime untill we had root
And from getting root, we were able to flash to a custom built ROM etc..
Also being able to use certain applications like Overclocker,Swapper,Mutitouch Browser and just stuff to make our customs built ROM's better then the stock
And now I'm wondering since we have acess to certain features like Multi Touch, Flash Player etc.
Howcome we don't take advantage of these features
(I'm not a dev or anything and I'm not forcing anyone to do anything at all)
I'm just saying howcome no one has been smart enoguh to do this
Or make a SDK spically suited for Rooted G1's
Why don't the developers of the ROM's and stuff make Games/Apps that can use these features, and then sell them to people who have rooted there G1's for cash.
I would sure fine myself buying these apps and so would (well im pretty sure everyone els) would to
But anyways if this was mentioned before sorry I haven't came across it so yeah

Because it's not that easy? lol

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so u talking like games that the iphone 3gs can handle idk if the g1 is powerful enough for that i know the 3gs has a nvidia graphics card built in ?? but that would be cool to get some games like that if we could just my 2cents

Exactly i'm pretty sure if they worked together or something
or someone dedicated there time to a SDK for rooted G1's
Or an App
They could come across something
If they could make a ROM
I think its very possible for them to make a app

they should have put a graphics card into g1 why not?? i mean just like Intel is gonna make a smart phone with android os they are putting there chip sets in it who knows we prolly will have to buy another phone for that kind of system just like the iphone user's did

are you kidding? have you ever been on the android market before? perhaps you've taken note of all of the apps marked FOR ROOT USERS ONLY, or perhaps the apps developed by people like meltus and lucidrem (who happen to be developers here).
its amazing, no matter what anyone does for people (for FREE, i might add), its never quite enough. so heres a question for YOU:
if its that big of a deal to you, why not learn up and develop them yourself?

The only kinds of apps that really require root are low level utilities, like those mentioned by kusotare... and there are TONS of them. A few are on the market, many are not since the market mainly caters to the typical consumer who doesn't go for root.
Things like GAMES don't need root, so why would you want to restrict them to rooted phones?

Last 2 posters said it all. And as far as flash games they are already out.

Running ROM in Emulator

I have installed the SDK and Eclipse. I have created an AVD and run through the little tutorial. I can start the emulator using the (windows) command line. How do I run a "cooked" ROM in the emulator? If there is a better place to post this question, please let me know. I am particularly interested in the Hero (CDMA, Sprint).

The sdk emulator emulates an older ARMv5. I for one don't think it's very practical for developing custom roms on but it has been done before. I remember hearing a couple people saying they had Sense UI running on it. Cool but kind of pointless if you ask me. Anyways:
http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/emulator.html
has just about all the info you'll need to do it.
Speaking of emulators. I merged zen and emulator to get my name zenulator back when I messed around with console emulators for the ps1 and dreamcast. Before android took over

Zenulator,
Thanks for responding. That's exactly the page I was using. Can I simply replace userdata.img with the boot.img from the ROM? I'm just curious to see what the various ROM's will look and act like. (I do not yet have a smartphone; I've got a stupid one. My wife promised my a new phone when she upgrades hers, and the Hero looks really good to me.)

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Zenulator,
Thanks for responding. That's exactly the page I was using. Can I simply replace userdata.img with the boot.img from the ROM? I'm just curious to see what the various ROM's will look and act like. (I do not yet have a smartphone; I've got a stupid one. My wife promised my a new phone when she upgrades hers, and the Hero looks really good to me.)
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Ah I see. I'd get the evo if your planning on buying a new smart phone.
Also no you cant just swap out parts from the roms postrd in the forums since the emulator runs off a yaffs system image and also it doesn't run a boot.img. It uses a separate kernel and ramdisk.

Zenulator,
Thanks again, particularly for preventing me from wasting my time over an impossible task. One cannot help lusting over the EVO. However, I carry my phone in my pocket, and the EVO might be a bit too big for that. Furthermore, I don't really use a phone all that much, so it's hard to justify the extra expense. I have suggested to my wife that she get one.
Are there any other emulators or virtualization techniques I might use to display a ROM's function on a computer monitor? Do those guys who create the ROMs simply try them out on their own phones, or do they have software which will allow them to first test their creations on the computer? I fiddle with Linux, and have used VMWare under Windows and Linux. Took a stab at Zen once, but didn't have the right hardware.

just an idea.. It wouldnt be hands on but you could youtube the different roms and see what they look like

Furthermore, I don't really use a phone all that much, so it's hard to justify the extra expense.
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Aw man, you would sooo use your phone 300x more if you had a smart phone of any kind, though I'm partial to Android ; ) . I can't remember what i did before my first BB.... Ahhhhh the memories.
Easily justifiable expense. LOL
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I used my phone like 20 minutes total throughout the day when I had a dumbphone.
My Hero gets used and abused hours each day.

You all are preaching to the choir! I want a new phone so bad that I can taste it. I've been scouring the forums, learning as much as I can, and I can hardly wait. The Hero looks just right for me, and I'm really looking forward to using an open file system. It looks like Sprint will be dropping the Hero soon (price is going down) and replacing it with a "Hero 2," apparently essentially the same thing as the htc Legend. We'll see. Anyone heard any other news?

I probably play more on my phone than I text or talk, but don't regret paying $25 more a month than I was with MetroPCS. I can't see myself paying nearly $100 a month just for the Evo as I am on a plan by myself.
This is not completly on topic, but there is the Android OS for computers. You think I could take the kernal and ramdisk, etc from the Hero and swap it out with the ones from the Android OS
http://gadgets.softpedia.com/news/How-To-Run-Google-039-s-Android-OS-On-Your-Windows-PC-3897-01.html

&RoidRage,
Thanks for the link. I followed it out and downloaded the complete iso. I will look inside it and play with it, maybe live, maybe virtualized. It might be fun to see if some components can be swapped out, though I doubt it will work.
Dual processors running at 1.5 GHz seems overkill for a cell phone, but then, that's why we're here.

Hi all
I'm trying to load a ROM into the emulator, how can I do that ?

Kcarpenter said:
Aw man, you would sooo use your phone 300x more if you had a smart phone of any kind, though I'm partial to Android ; ) . I can't remember what i did before my first BB.... Ahhhhh the memories.
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seriously, my dumbphone was on like 20 minutes a day
and my hero is overused easily (especially in class)

how i run roms that dont have the system.img ?

[Q] Dual boot?

I was wondering if dual booting would be possible on our phone? I've seen that the HD2 got winmo + android boot... But having some kind of Stable partition and a second "dev" one would be quite amazing...
Thanks!

I asked the same question, and my post was moved to Q and A. Most responses were that WinMo is not worthy of the hardware. WP7 didn't attract quite the same disdain.
I would really love to run WP7 on the captivate, and I think eventually someone will make it happen. I think WinMo would run amazingly smooth, but I doubt we'll ever find out.
The HD2 won't quite run android ROMs, you have to boot into WinMo, then restart in Android, but it is really easy to swap what "ROM" you are using. If the HD2 was capable of AT&T 3G, I would have one by now.
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Yes please to WP7 on Captivate. If nothing else i want to be able to run it for a few days to see how I like that new software. And check out the Xbox Live integration

yes, i only have one phone but would like to learn to do some basic development and it would be nice to have a stable rom to switch back to on the fly. i've had problems using nandroid and titanium backup. if anyone knows of a way to change to or add a secondary boot loader so multiple os's can be launched that would be awesome.
minmo might be a bit impractical but multiple android installations would be cool sweet.

Ok.. well get a checklist started on what you would need:
A custom bootloader that would work with the Captivate.. And I'm sure people would want the choice to pick the OS upon bootup instead of having to go into the recovery screen and booting up from there.
It would also have to be compatible with working Android and Win7
Someone would then have to find the source code to Win7 - or at least the SDK for it and develop in whatever language its written in.
Then someone would have to code the drivers for the Captivate and Win7 mobile.
Pretty much.. it wouldn't be any type of "take n' bake" task and would be quite the project involving a ton of work.
I'm sure someone out there in the world will come up with it.. I mean someone took the time to port Android to the iPhone - so it "could" happen.. but most likely won't due to the huge amount of work it will take.

avgjoegeek said:
Ok.. well get a checklist started on what you would need:
A custom bootloader that would work with the Captivate.. And I'm sure people would want the choice to pick the OS upon bootup instead of having to go into the recovery screen and booting up from there.
It would also have to be compatible with working Android and Win7
Someone would then have to find the source code to Win7 - or at least the SDK for it and develop in whatever language its written in.
Then someone would have to code the drivers for the Captivate and Win7 mobile.
Pretty much.. it wouldn't be any type of "take n' bake" task and would be quite the project involving a ton of work.
I'm sure someone out there in the world will come up with it.. I mean someone took the time to port Android to the iPhone - so it "could" happen.. but most likely won't due to the huge amount of work it will take.
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At least there's a Samsung Omnia 7. It has a 4" SAMOLED like ours. I hope it has more in common with us as well so it would make the process easier.

JayPhill89 said:
At least there's a Samsung Omnia 7. It has a 4" SAMOLED like ours. I hope it has more in common with us as well so it would make the process easier.
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if winmo gets ported great, if not oh well, if you read the op it was not to get winmo but just used the hd2 as an example of dual boot on a phone. a boot loader is a starting point so can the topic go in that direction? i just dont want naysayers to get confused and tell us every reason we wont get or dont want winmo.

You cannot just take the source code for WP7. It is not open source. You can port android to things, but not the other way around.

nbs11 said:
You cannot just take the source code for WP7. It is not open source. You can port android to things, but not the other way around.
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As Dani897 said, the thread is not about porting WP7 to our phone, but just having dual boot to be able to have (lets say) one stable rom and one dev rom on the same phone...

seriously want this to happen figure it out

Has anyone TRIED to launch WP7 on TP2?

I know you guys have talked about this already, but has anyone tried to load it? Maybe a derivitive of the HD2 rom for WP7? I bet anything that it would work, it would just be a little slower.....please give some feedback for this thread

i agree the tp2 deserves a try they said we couldn't overclock now look @ us
P.S also make a CDMA version for us sprint people

I'm sure someone could get it running. Nothing is impossible.

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I'm sure someone could get it running. Nothing is impossible.
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+1 to that.
The problem is the processor architecture...

WP7 on TP2
I bet that it wouldn't matter, they say the requirements are what they are, but they can operate on lower specs, just won't operate at optimum efficiency. If the HD2 and WP7 Phones are at 1ghz, its not bad that we are at 748mhz+. I bet it will work!!! I know technical aspects, but it sucks I don't know how to actually do any of it!!!! Maybe someone should come up with a bounty

RedWolf023 said:
I bet that it wouldn't matter, they say the requirements are what they are, but they can operate on lower specs, just won't operate at optimum efficiency. If the HD2 and WP7 Phones are at 1ghz, its not bad that we are at 748mhz+. I bet it will work!!! I know technical aspects, but it sucks I don't know how to actually do any of it!!!! Maybe someone should come up with a bounty
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Whatever, TP2 runs a Qualcomm processor ARMv6, while Snapdragon is ARMv7.
WP7 requires ARMv7.
It's not as easy as you think, guys.

can we get it
maybe lescro could chime in

No, we can NOT get WP7 ever. It's just not possible. As Jackos said, WP7 is built on ARMv7. The TP2 has an ARMv6 chipset. The ARMv6 CPU just can't execute the code in WP7. It has nothing to due with the speed of the CPU. Just like how certain Adobe software doesn't work on old AMD/Intel CPU's because they're missing the SSE2 instruction set.
EDIT: This has been stated by Da_G many times & trust me, he knows what he's talking about. Follow Da_G on Twitter.
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It is possible but very difficult to do. Some has to make it ARMv6 able.

WP7 on TP2
Like others said, it was impossible to OC our TP2's, and now look!!! You're right, the WP7 on an ARMv6 core would be difficult to do, but someone can do it! It's kind depressing that everyone keeps saying "never" will we have it on the TP2. If you can create a theme from throttlelauncher that does just about everything that the WP7 itself can do, I would wager that you could modify the WP7 rom to execute off of the ARMv6 core....problem is nobody wants to spend the time to do so for free, so we should come up with a bounty.

Actually when these devs tell you that the code can not run they aren't explaining (rightfully because it might fall on deaf ears) that windows ce is closed source so changing anything would require a large amount of work if the kernel can be changed at all. Its not like the linux kernel where we can go in and change things in the source code then compile. WP7 is what it is its like saying that windows 7 can run on an arm processor yeah it probably could but you would have to change the kernel which i believe only microsoft has the ability to do. Just tough it out like the rest of us until your upgrade date. Please no more WP7 on TP2 threads

is this really a question? FIRST of all, it is impossible. Second of all, there are various themes that would be more stable than any wm7 port if there was ever a dev who had some magical touch. yeah, we can overclock. but who here can safely oc to 1g? closest i get is 768. and that gets touchy.
believe me, theres no way/reason to do this. just buy a new phone

WP7 on TP2
My only problem, which is quite a personal problem, is that I am not allowed to have a camera on my phone where I work.....so this blows because they will not make any more cameraless phones. So anything to make my TP2 any better, I'm all game. Besides, I absolutely HATE on screen keyboards, no matter how accurate they are. Again, just a personal problem.

You're job will end up changing that rule. They have too, because cameraless cell are sadly a thing of the past. I don't know a single person who doesn't have a camera on their cell. As for the hardware KB, check out the HTC 7 Pro. It's a 1Ghz Snapdragon WP7 version of the TP2.

Somethings are impossible.... Overclocking is one thing but executing code compiled for a different CPU is NOT the same thing!
As others have pointed out, it's ARM v6 vs V7 and it's not a code issue - its a microcode issue - the v6 does not have the same instruction set so the code cannot execute.
Short of M$ recompiling the code (not very likely), releasing the source (even less likely) or writing a V6 interpreting shell (can you say SLOW) it ain't going to happen.
Deal with it and wait till your contract is over and get a new phone when you can

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
You're job will end up changing that rule. They have too, because cameraless cell are sadly a thing of the past. I don't know a single person who doesn't have a camera on their cell. As for the hardware KB, check out the HTC 7 Pro. It's a 1Ghz Snapdragon WP7 version of the TP2.
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No, I am 100% Certain my work will not change that rule. They will prohibit cell phones altogether before allowing a camera. But I will check out the HTC 7 pro

if you go to wp7 forum theres alot of problems with that phone
...like any phone
but there are alot of themes for our phone
like lesscrco wp7

BTW. Why would anyone need WP7 on TP2? Imho it's good enough with WM6.5.
WP7 would only decrease the functionality and cause problems like battery life or performance.

Emulator
Emulation is possible, ask the people who wrote BOCHS or Pear PC.
However, it's absolutely not practical to go down this route. It would require an amazing amount of work for what would be a very slow WP7 device with no battery life.
The time and money spent on a project like this would be better put to improving WM6 or Android.

1milenia said:
if you go to wp7 forum theres alot of problems with that phone
...like any phone
but there are alot of themes for our phone
like lesscrco wp7
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I bought my wife the Samsung Focus and we have absolutely no problems with it. WP7 is perfect just left stock. WP7 is probably the best PPC OS out there now.

Why is there so much hate towards Flash Player?

Everywhere where there's a discussion about Flash player it just gets over crowded by Apple fanbois or something because it suddenly gets overrun with hate on how crap Flash is. Yet I bet if they were allowed Flash Player on the iPhone and Android weren't (you can still manually install) then they'd be touting it as a feature. I just think what is wrong to have choice? Why must Operating Systems now become about being dictated how to use it and why features you like are bad? If you don't not like Flash Player then you do not have to use it or install it, I don't see how it impacts you and why you'd wish for people who like it not to have the option. MOD EDIT.
I've got a now dated Galaxy S2 and I'm using the last generic Gingerbread firmware for it and have no speed issues. I'm using this firmware because I do not like ICS or JB and that is ok, with Android I'm allowed the choice. I can run BBCiPlayer's desktop website which is Flash based on my phone and even streaming over HSPA+ with Three and I have no performance issues. I've never experienced Flash crashing any more than anything else on any phone, in fact I remember lots of stuff crashing on my old iPhone 4 which was meant to be so much better and more stable. Flash seems no more unstable than anything else, I think people just love to jump on the hate wagon. Obviously the Desktop Flash experience on a mobile is not the best when it comes to UI, however performance wise it works fine and I'm happy to have it.
When I had the iPhone 4 (my first smart phone) I bought it because it was praised as the best one at the time and everyone was singing its praises. However I became more and more aware of what I couldn't do with it as Apple didn't want me to. The one thing that bothered me was how many site apps I had to use to watch video content and even mobile sites. These sites are never good and I just want the Desktop option with Flash Player. Now I know this is still the case today as I try my friends iPad 2 and lots of the sites I want to visit like Youtube, BBCiPlayer and maybe some efukt for lols still use Flash, Youtube has made a leap to HTML5 but still lots of videos are Flash only. I don't know when HTML5 is meant to set the world on fire, Apple have been going on about it since as long as I can remember and it still hasn't become the standard. I just don't see why you wouldn't allow people just to install Flash Player so they can have the best experience.
I know Adobe have stopped support but that really is just don't to the resistance against it from Apple. I used to see loads of happy reviews on the Android marketplace for Flash Player, lots of people want it more than crazed fanbois. Also why not just have an advanced option on these modern Operation systems like Android where you can freely install stuff you want from a third party source? People who are clueless wont know about it and people who know what they're doing can just have a warning saying Warranty void or something and sorted.
I just want Flash Player, it has made the internet what it is today. I don't know what issues people have with it but I use it everyday and have done for many many years and relative to the stability of operations systems in their time, Flash has been no more unstable than anything else. I've not had Flash crash since I can remember on Windows, Chrome is a great platform for it at least, I dunno about other browsers. Android it's perfectly smooth too....
I just don't get the hate.

I also like flash very much, but it has been decided it will not be supported anymore, so it's ending. There are and will be better alternatives (I hope).

Flash is a dieing platform its very bloated and thus has never worked well on android.
The likes of HTML5 gives much better performance and being modular will be a ever expanding platform.
Its just how things happen the web is a ever changing platform and there's little flash can do that can tbe done better else where.
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zacthespack said:
Flash is a dieing platform its very bloated and thus has never worked well on android.
The likes of HTML5 gives much better performance and being modular will be a ever expanding platform.
Its just how things happen the web is a ever changing platform and there's little flash can do that can tbe done better else where.
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That is pretty much true. I will add my two cents.
1. Flash is proprietary. You have to buy tools and compiler to develop. What is more there is only one official flash player. Others were created thanks to reverse engineering and are not very good.
2. Flash is terribly optimized. What I mean is the compiled code is very inefficient.
3. Language. Who would like to learn and use ActionScript if there is mature and popular JavaScript?

Flash really shouldn't get hate. Why? It is completely optional. Turn off plugins from browser settings and you have a phone completely free of it. If your phone didnt came with it, and you downloaded it yourself, uninstall it and there!
So there really is no reason to hate on it so much
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I am a fan of flash.
A sad thing is that there is no moment in between - many services that rely on flash are not yet switched to html5.

l30ns said:
I am a fan of flash.
A sad thing is that there is no moment in between - many services that rely on flash are not yet switched to html5.
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+1. I still like flash a lot. As per growing trend, a lot of websites are now converting to HTML5 but it will be a while before flash becomes completely obsolete.

I don't know, I think the general hate towards the platform was started by Apple users who were mad that Android got flash but they never did. Sure, flash is a locked down platform, but so is Apple's ecosystem. HTML5 is supposed to be the open successor to flash, but for DRM purposes I see most content is still done with flash. A lot of the flash content we want to view on our phones is actually made for desktop users only, so there is no reason for site owners to want to switch to HTML5.
In my opinion flash was to the point where performance on mobile devices wasn't as much of an issue anymore. HD Youtube videos play in flash without noticeable frame loss on dual core devices. Device hardware had finally caught up to the point where it could render desktop based flash content without choking. Awkward interaction with flash elements in a mobile browser was fixed by a full screen option which works nicely.
Many people are misinformed as to why Adobe discontinued flash on mobile. It wasn't Apple or Google's fault, Adobe simply decided to stop focusing on flash for mobile and to move on to newer technologies like HTML5. What I don't get is why they are still supporting Adobe Air on mobile since its based off flash. They announced in late 2011 that ICS would be the last version they would support flash on. Google Chrome first showed up on Android in early 2012, so it wasn't Chome that killed flash like some think.
Luckily Adobe is maintaining download links on their site for flash apks and is still doing security updates for now.

I don't get why you'd end flash to work on HTML5? Why not just make Flash better?
I don't care if something is dying or not supported anymore. When it is still used on more sites than the nearest competitor (HTML5) then it is sitll number one and you need to support it.
I would be interested in an iPhone or Windows phone, however the locked down OS not giving you any options like to have flash on your phone kills them for me. I'll always choose android because the software is superior as a result of the third party. You can produce an OS but you need it to be open to be successful, IOS is a mess because it is closed, it has been a mess for many years since everyone caught up to Apple. You need an open OS because the people always come up with way better software than the official company. Innovation is what you didn't know you even wanted but it makes such a difference, you don't get that from corps.

jacekbb said:
That is pretty much true. I will add my two cents.
1. Flash is proprietary. You have to buy tools and compiler to develop. What is more there is only one official flash player. Others were created thanks to reverse engineering and are not very good.
2. Flash is terribly optimized. What I mean is the compiled code is very inefficient.
3. Language. Who would like to learn and use ActionScript if there is mature and popular JavaScript?
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1 - Wrong you can download the Flex or AIRSDK for free ,and use free tools to create Flash/AIR.
2 - Wrong again, Clearly you haven't used flash recently. Stage3D is amazing:
Is this bad performance? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EBxd2tFEvU You can try it out if you find it and download it.
3 - :laugh:, JS is really an old language without real OOP language like Actionscript or Java. So classes are prototypes which is a very old and obsolete concept when there are Objects and Classes out there....
To get an idea: JS is to JAVA (or AS3) as BASIC to C++ .
You must be one of the fanboys mentioned on the first post.
Seriously dude, don't talk about things you don't know about.
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Flash is within AIR within an APP. Means apple store can sell it and is happy about it. HTML5 cool stuff doesn't work on most low end phones, (just like flash!) And to be honest Flash was capable of doing many things that HTML5 is NOT YET able to do. HTML5 was sold as the technology of the future but I have been there years ago, and I will rather changing career if i had to go back to that tecnology. (How many days wasted in problems with compatibility with browsers...)
I'm a stage3D developer and I don't think is slow. The old Flash system (which is still heavily used by designers, not coders) is slow, time line, vectors, and tons of layers made Flash flexible and accessible but very slow performance. Now with stage3D, flash is just code and bitmaps with GPU acceleration. This means it runs like any other SDK (like coronaSDK or Unity). Same performance!
I always try to be objective, and Apple fans are not. Is like a massive religion. Lucky, I am atheist and I can see sects very easily. :laugh: