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Message to Devs, Has anyone Mentioned this Before

Well it wasnt till sometime untill we had root
And from getting root, we were able to flash to a custom built ROM etc..
Also being able to use certain applications like Overclocker,Swapper,Mutitouch Browser and just stuff to make our customs built ROM's better then the stock
And now I'm wondering since we have acess to certain features like Multi Touch, Flash Player etc.
Howcome we don't take advantage of these features
(I'm not a dev or anything and I'm not forcing anyone to do anything at all)
I'm just saying howcome no one has been smart enoguh to do this
Or make a SDK spically suited for Rooted G1's
Why don't the developers of the ROM's and stuff make Games/Apps that can use these features, and then sell them to people who have rooted there G1's for cash.
I would sure fine myself buying these apps and so would (well im pretty sure everyone els) would to
But anyways if this was mentioned before sorry I haven't came across it so yeah

Because it's not that easy? lol

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so u talking like games that the iphone 3gs can handle idk if the g1 is powerful enough for that i know the 3gs has a nvidia graphics card built in ?? but that would be cool to get some games like that if we could just my 2cents

Exactly i'm pretty sure if they worked together or something
or someone dedicated there time to a SDK for rooted G1's
Or an App
They could come across something
If they could make a ROM
I think its very possible for them to make a app

they should have put a graphics card into g1 why not?? i mean just like Intel is gonna make a smart phone with android os they are putting there chip sets in it who knows we prolly will have to buy another phone for that kind of system just like the iphone user's did

are you kidding? have you ever been on the android market before? perhaps you've taken note of all of the apps marked FOR ROOT USERS ONLY, or perhaps the apps developed by people like meltus and lucidrem (who happen to be developers here).
its amazing, no matter what anyone does for people (for FREE, i might add), its never quite enough. so heres a question for YOU:
if its that big of a deal to you, why not learn up and develop them yourself?

The only kinds of apps that really require root are low level utilities, like those mentioned by kusotare... and there are TONS of them. A few are on the market, many are not since the market mainly caters to the typical consumer who doesn't go for root.
Things like GAMES don't need root, so why would you want to restrict them to rooted phones?

Last 2 posters said it all. And as far as flash games they are already out.

a kick to the ass from the past

Does anyone remember the video adobe put up demonstrating flash on g1? It's a video of kevin lynch showing flash 10 working what seems to be flawlessly on the g1, more than a year ago!
link--->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT__RDRVb4c
just a couple days ago cm6 got released and its running beautifully on my "old bed-ridden" so why not flash? i'm no developer but there must be a way to make flash specifically for g1's or mytough 3g's, after all the video is living proof. hopefully a developer can take the flash app from another phone running froyo and work their magic on it to make it work on our devices. c'mon devs keep the g1 alive

It really is heartbreaking..
Seeing this video makes me remember why I was bragging to Iphone users that have no flash what-so-ever... I remember this video now and I guess the G1 has the flash capabilities but, the app that adobe released is coded to only work on Froyo and Snapdragon devices.
I think their plan is to get us all to upgrade to the newer snapdragons or soon to be dual core snapdragons... Man I hate how technology ages.

Well from the sounds of it the Flash that is available now and to the public for Android Phones won't work on the older processors of the G1 and such. In it's current form anyways.
People keep throwing around that Flash is "not possible" on the G1 and I just don't buy it. I'm no developer and I'm sure it's not easy, but I don't for a second believe it's "not possible."
I could however believe that it just isn't worth it. But that's totally different. It'd be nice to hear a dev say they don't want to bother with the headache and that it would just be too large an undertaking rather than just hear that it's "not possible."

It is possible it however is not probable. As flash isn't open source it would have to be backwards engineered(unreasonable amount of effort) and recompiled for the arm6 architecture..far to much effort for something that would function questionably..
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@Blackman778g
yea definitely agreed, but i don't see why not someone can screw around with a couple of files or code or whatever developers do and recompile to operate on older devices, or devices with different hardware. sure it's probably not gonna be an easy task, but if we can get a whole operating system that's suppose to cripple the **** out of our hardware, why not just an app? sense has done it, not in a specifically good way but it can maybe spark hope?
@dezvous
yea it'd be pretty sweet for someone to take a jab at it, and personally i believe the "it wont work with our processors" is a load of bs, because i think the phone in the link is running cupcake, which underclocks the g1 at 386 and it looks perfectly fine. now-a-days we can get to 725mhz without jacking up your battery, i run 614 and i just sit and watch it fly
@ftruck90
yea thats true, but it'll be cool to see someone try

why not dump adobe flash alltogether and work on an open source flash replacement, there's one available for linux, i think its called GNUFlash or something..
ps: i think this was already mentioned somewhere else on xda..

here you go...
http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/

Cyanogen has told us full flash will never work on G1. However, there's a think tank for getting flash lite to run in Froyo.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7177455

Flash not working is not bs.
Flash as it is now was built for a certain processor architecture (The G1 has Arm6 where flash was built to run on Arm7). Its like saying that its BS that I can't run software built to run on PowerPC on a x86 processor. The PowerPC processor has different instruction sets that the x86 does not.

We need an open source mobile flash alternative.
That we could try to recompile for our devices and build a plugin around it.
Or someone disassembles the curreent flash froma dobe and recompiles it for Arm7...wich i don't think is possible.

i dont understand something. everytime i see one of these flash topics, every1 says it was never compiled to run on arm6 and everything else.... but how did this video come to life? OVER A YEAR AGO. that video is flash, running on a g1, pretty solidly too. and i mean...whats that...cupcake?
that video is pretty incriminating stuff if you ask me. adobe got some explaining to do.
but...if CM says it cant be done, i'll believe him.

CM said it can't be done (with the adobe flash)
What you saw was a (probably unstable?) version of flash compiled by adobe probably as a testrun on the G1.
Adobe CAN compile it for the G1 IF they want to.
What we can do in the meantime is ask adobe to compile flash for the Arm6 and hope that it'll make enough rucus for them to notice.

havikx said:
i dont understand something. everytime i see one of these flash topics, every1 says it was never compiled to run on arm6 and everything else.... but how did this video come to life? OVER A YEAR AGO. that video is flash, running on a g1, pretty solidly too. and i mean...whats that...cupcake?
that video is pretty incriminating stuff if you ask me. adobe got some explaining to do.
but...if CM says it cant be done, i'll believe him.
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1.that video could very well not be legit lots of companies release mocked up videos as ads
2.if it was real adobe have the source code for flash as it's their product so they very well may of compiled a version for arm6 and never released it. But as its not open source that means exactly zero to us. The argument isn't that it's impossible to run flash on this processor it's that it is impossible to run current releases of flash on it
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mr.johnsexydavis911 said:
@Blackman778g
yea definitely agreed, but i don't see why not someone can screw around with a couple of files or code or whatever developers do and recompile to operate on older devices, or devices with different hardware. sure it's probably not gonna be an easy task, but if we can get a whole operating system that's suppose to cripple the **** out of our hardware, why not just an app? sense has done it, not in a specifically good way but it can maybe spark hope?
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OK, you obviously aren't a dev. Here's the basic version. Programs these days are written in a more human readable format (called "source") and compiled into a format the computer can understand. Most compilers build for a specific CPU type, and the code they generate won't run on anything else. Interpreted languages like BASIC, Python, and Java either don't really get compiled, or get compiled to a neutral format called "bytecode". Then you need a CPU specific app to run the source or bytecode.
Flash is a bytecode language. That's why it can run on so many platforms. The problem is the bytecode interpeter. That's proprietary code that Adobe wrote and has not released the source for. It's also native CPU code, so it's compiled for a specific CPU family. Which is a somewhat retarded thing to do on a platform like Android, but they probably did it for performance reasons. Though with a working JIT, I imagine a Java based version would work. Adobe has never been known for writing very efficient code.
Now, the Flash runtime engine was compiled for a different CPU type than the one we have in G1, MT3G, and others. In order for the Adobe code to work with our devices Adobe would have to compile it for us. Or give us source code, which they will likely never do. Or we could try to write an emulator to fake the CPU type differences, but those are SLOW. The rule of thumb is you have to have a CPU 10x as powerful as the CPU you are emulating. Our CPU is slower than the one we would need to emulate.
Another option is to attempt to do dynamic compilation on the binary to translate it to our CPU architecture. This is an incredibly complex undertaking and is rarely attempted. There are just too many things to go wrong with this sort of thing. In this particular case, the existing code is close to the same architecture, so it might be a little easier, but it's still very difficult. You have to translate every instruction at the machine code level and account for differences in the available instructions, registers, size of data fields, CPU cache, RAM size, and various other side-effects that are not obvious at first glance. The devs here are good, but this is the sort of thing that billion dollar companies try and fail at. It's a LOT harder than it looks.
If you want flash, learn to dev and work on one of the open source Flash engines to try to get it up to snuff. Then try to optimize it to run well on our low end CPU and RAM starved machines. By then we'll likely be running dual or quad 3Ghz ARM12 phones.

has any1 tried contacting adobe about it?

Dead platform. Probably not worth their time and money to compile on ARMv6. As ttabbal stated above, by the time any of these solutions come to fruition, we'll probably all have upgraded.

I would say its definitly worth adobes or a devs time and money. Because even tho g1s are getting old. I would still pay 20 or 30 bucks just to download a nice operating flash player for the g1 off the market. There's so much money in it. Its sick. That dev would be rich fo sure!!!!!
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Ok, in the last 4 weeks over a million Phone with android and ARM 6 processors were sold world wide. So I would say that Adobe may listen.

It took adobe SEVERAL YEARS to support AMD64, and that was with the entire world nagging them about it several times every day, and it is an ADVANCEMENT from intel32.
Adobe is just a bloated hog, they are COMPLETELY out of touch with consumers, selling you the JUNK that they WANT to sell you and not the product that YOU WANT to buy from them.
To be honest though, LET FLASH DIE. I don't want flash on my phone, or, for that matter, even on my desktop. It doesn't offer ANYTHING that is even REMOTELY useful.

dhkr123 said:
It took adobe SEVERAL YEARS to support AMD64, and that was with the entire world nagging them about it several times every day, and it is an ADVANCEMENT from intel32.
Adobe is just a bloated hog, they are COMPLETELY out of touch with consumers, selling you the JUNK that they WANT to sell you and not the product that YOU WANT to buy from them.
To be honest though, LET FLASH DIE. I don't want flash on my phone, or, for that matter, even on my desktop. It doesn't offer ANYTHING that is even REMOTELY useful.
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Agreed. Is there any way we can make this thread disappear? I don't want another necromancer to appear after Gingerbread drops and people go nutso there too.

[Q] Who came from Android and why?

Ive been seriously looking at the WP7 series and I'm curious to hear from real-world users who have been in the same boat as me. I've been an Android person for the past year now and as much as I like Android, I like to keep my options open too!
So tell me - why did YOU switch from Android to WP7 and would you do it again if you had the chance ?

I've been playing with WP7, mostly to see what "the other side" has been up to. I've had WinCE devices going back to the 1.x days, and always loved it, but trying to cram a desktop OS into a hand-held device always seemed awkward.
I got an iPhone and loved it for a couple of years, but got handed a G1 and fell in love with the potential that Android represented. It wasn't quite "there" yet, so I switched back and forth from Android to iOS and back for a good year before settling full-time with Android on my Nexus One.
Now I've got a Nexus-S and I love it, but I was able to play with a WP7 device in the form of the HD7, and I really like it, however...
Coming from Android, Google's services, search, GMail, and Maps, are so much better in ability than Bing, Hotmail, and Bing Maps that I missed my Nexus S. I love the user-interface of WP7, and hope that it evolves a bit more.
WP7's approach to real-time usability is great. Apps are smooth and clean, and much less jerky than Android apps seem to be at times. The OS seems well suited to doing one thing at a time, really well. I wish Android was better at maintaining higher priority for foreground apps, instead of making things choppy with garbage-collection.
If you have a chance to wait until the January (now February) update happens, I would. Things could get much better for WP7 very soon, but who knows? I'm keeping my options open.

the biggest disappointment is in Bing and Zune services. Since their not available in Ireland. The prolonged wait for update kinda adds up too
Though otherwise than that its all ok
I had a HD2 with Android and reason why i sold it because once i played with WP7 i felt that Androids UI was so boring.
Games on WP7 are much better too than Android. Alot of devs from iPhone have hopped aboard.

Anyone else? This is good stuff! Keep it coming!

I still use my android from day to day. They se the best overall in terms of a combination of things such as features and useability. Tho WP7 has a slick UI its missing things like the gmail intergration and Google maps, but it has a music client that's not as good as iTunes. Then there is iOS, its great, easy to use, simple, and reliable, at the end of the day that's what makes IOS sell, just like variety is what makes android sell. For WP7 to catch up they need to release a groundbreaker, something that blows the competition away spec wise. I played with a Samsung WP7 At att the other day while stopping in to see an old friend, windows on a phone has came a long way since WinMo6.5. I will say that. It just depends on what u want at the end of the day
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I think you should check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900747
i move to wp7, because i simple hates its lag and UI..

I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day. I never really had a feeling of satisfaction with Android. Thats the first thing. The second thing is the force closures and the occasional lag (I came from a G2 so it definitely wasn't my device) Android is an awesome platform, however, I still feel like its something Google just slapped together, even if thats not the case. the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one. Im not saying WP7 is perfect because its far from that. BUT i love the consistency throughout the platform, even when you download apps from the market, most of them seem to follow that metro UI interface. the fact that its customization is limited to tile placement and color gives me a sense of satisfaction knowing that there is no other way you could have it, which means less time trying to get it the way you want it. I also love the smoothness as well. the fact that it does not support multi tasking has yet to bother me as I never really do more than one thing on my phone anyway. I am, however, frustrated with the lack of copy/paste (which will be fixed soon) and lets not forget the dreadful marketplace which locks up randomly causing users to reboot. I also am disappointed in Bing maps. i would much rather prefer to use Google maps. its just easier. The only thing i can truly say i miss from Android is the WIFI calling. I spend most of my time in my basement. I hardly get signal except for one corner. at the end of the day, i am happier with WP7 because of its simplicity, performance, and ease of use as well as its "polished" feel.

Nissan350 said:
I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day.
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I'm glad I am not the only one who actually finds that Android is TOO customizable. I find myself spending hours each day fiddling with it!

JWhipple said:
I'm glad I am not the only one who actually finds that Android is TOO customizable. I find myself spending hours each day fiddling with it!
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Lol, I'm glad you can see where I'm coming from

irispen said:
I think you should check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900747
i move to wp7, because i simple hates its lag and UI..
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me same like u.been use nexus one for a year.tired about android.but maybe will switch back to android again who know..

Nissan350 said:
...the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one...
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Okay, this is not directed toward you at all, but all of this sounds very familiar and it kinda explains a lot about what people's issues MIGHT be with WP7.
Everything you said is Windows Mobile all over again, and that is not a bad thing at all. I loved WM, and it's versatility IMO were what made it so great. So much about Android screams WM to me.
I come to these forums and I see people crying like little girls over and over about what WP7 doesn't do, have, etc and it just makes me feel like they want a super updated WM device. They want the absolute best of the best that WM has to offer... but they want it out of WP7. I see their issues, but this is a completely different device all together, and to ask it to be WM is kinda ignorant. So to those people I think they should run to Android and call it a day.
While I'm on this rant (and hella off-topic) I see a lot of short term memories when people start to cying about WP. It doesn't have this, and that like Android and ios. Wait a minute... everything you want, and they FINALLY have has been in WM for YEARS. None of this started with the new-booty competition. If MS didn't let me down with WM I doubt I'll be let down by WP7.. and so far I'm about as happy as I can be with a mobile device.
Once again, not directed toward you specifically, but you brought up some things that I've been thinking about.

Truer Words.

Sean D. said:
Okay, this is not directed toward you at all, but all of this sounds very familiar and it kinda explains a lot about what people's issues MIGHT be with WP7.
Everything you said is Windows Mobile all over again, and that is not a bad thing at all. I loved WM, and it's versatility IMO were what made it so great. So much about Android screams WM to me.
I come to these forums and I see people crying like little girls over and over about what WP7 doesn't do, have, etc and it just makes me feel like they want a super updated WM device. They want the absolute best of the best that WM has to offer... but they want it out of WP7. I see their issues, but this is a completely different device all together, and to ask it to be WM is kinda ignorant. So to those people I think they should run to Android and call it a day.
While I'm on this rant (and hella off-topic) I see a lot of short term memories when people start to cying about WP. It doesn't have this, and that like Android and ios. Wait a minute... everything you want, and they FINALLY have has been in WM for YEARS. None of this started with the new-booty competition. If MS didn't let me down with WM I doubt I'll be let down by WP7.. and so far I'm about as happy as I can be with a mobile device.
Once again, not directed toward you specifically, but you brought up some things that I've been thinking about.
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Good points. I'm very happy with WP7 and it feels great to be off Android. The platform is still in its infancy and there is not a doubt in my mind that it will evolve and become even better than it already is. Of course, the evolution would just be added pluses.

Nissan350 said:
I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day. I never really had a feeling of satisfaction with Android. Thats the first thing. The second thing is the force closures and the occasional lag (I came from a G2 so it definitely wasn't my device) Android is an awesome platform, however, I still feel like its something Google just slapped together, even if thats not the case. the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one. Im not saying WP7 is perfect because its far from that. BUT i love the consistency throughout the platform, even when you download apps from the market, most of them seem to follow that metro UI interface. the fact that its customization is limited to tile placement and color gives me a sense of satisfaction knowing that there is no other way you could have it, which means less time trying to get it the way you want it. I also love the smoothness as well. the fact that it does not support multi tasking has yet to bother me as I never really do more than one thing on my phone anyway. I am, however, frustrated with the lack of copy/paste (which will be fixed soon) and lets not forget the dreadful marketplace which locks up randomly causing users to reboot. I also am disappointed in Bing maps. i would much rather prefer to use Google maps. its just easier. The only thing i can truly say i miss from Android is the WIFI calling. I spend most of my time in my basement. I hardly get signal except for one corner. at the end of the day, i am happier with WP7 because of its simplicity, performance, and ease of use as well as its "polished" feel.
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couldnt have said it better myself
what ticked me off about android was the overall inconsistancy in both looks and performance, and until now that i own a wp7 device, i never understood by what ios and webos users said when they called it "clunky". now if i see what i saw in the honeycomb demo come in some way or form to smartphones (awesome graphical interface, ease of multitasking, and overall polish and consistantcy) i will come back in no time. but untill then, thanks to the mess that is software updates for android. the only one i would consider is a nexus device, and i dont plan on jumping through hoops to get one till i see the update and basic overhaul it needs. im perfectly happy with my hd7

JWhipple said:
Ive been seriously looking at the WP7 series and I'm curious to hear from real-world users who have been in the same boat as me. I've been an Android person for the past year now and as much as I like Android, I like to keep my options open too!
So tell me - why did YOU switch from Android to WP7 and would you do it again if you had the chance ?
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Been using Android for almost a year now..through work I'm getting newer Android and newer WP7 devices. It started with the Desire Z (G2) and the LG Optimus Quantum.
I don't care how pretty your OS is, there's no love for that phone. It's a piece of crap regular phone loaded with a smartphone OS. Absolute trash, my SIM sat in it for a day, and sadly because of the lack of usability on the device (size, build, LG..) I couldn't give WP7 a fair chance.
However, recently got the HD7 and a certain dual core device, and I can't make a decision. I personally love customization, so Android is literally endless and fresh to me. However, I'm a huge Hotmail supporter (GMail isn't that great, there's a reason Hotmail is still number 1 webmail worldwide..) and firmly believe the Email application built into WP7 (the Hotmail one) looks better, works better, and - for me - is better than the GMail app ever will be. It looks slick, it works well, it's pretty, etc.
With the HD7, it's actually a device that can showboat the features of the OS - however, there's only like..two. Office, and these boring tiles. Yes, it's simple, yes, it's easy, if I wanted that, I'd use a laptop and a normal phone. I want complicated, I want to be able to do everything, which is why I still use Android. At the same time, there's something refreshing about WP7 and the simplicity, but I find entirely too often I go to do something, grab the HD7, find it's not available or built in, sigh, and pull out my Android device.
Another huge slam on WP7 is this micro SD bull****. I can drag and drop anything on any Android device, you're telling me it's that hard to let people use external storage?
No, because I use a Macbook (primary booting OS X) with W7, I'm forced to use W7 because there's one incredibly ****ty option for Mac syncing. I'd rather have a cluttered ass SD card with dragged files than EVER use WMP as my "media hub" or whatever. I don't use iPhoto. I use iTunes for organization, but that's it. However, if I want ANYTHING on my WP7 device, I'm forced to use these stupid Apple applications (and a beta app from Microsoft) I deleted because of massive bloat just to transfer stuff? Ridiculous. Build a frigging mount into it or let us use SD cards.
Sorry. That's a massive, massive frustration for me.
Anyways, that's my take. Android and WP7 are not on the same level. I see WP7 as a high end regular phone, and Android as an actual smartphone. I'm sure this opinion could change depending on the expansion of the OS and the Marketplace, but right now, the OS is way too young and has a serious "polished, but unfinished" feel to it. WP7 could be good and I could use it regularly..in a few years. Not now. I'm going to continue giving WP7 a try, as there are things that are impressing me.
For example, Bing Maps is definitely not as feature rich as Google Maps, but holy hell does it lock well. GMaps is only good if you can get a damn GPS lock, and people can say "oh, it's usually fine" but after a year I have to yet to see the GPS work nearly as well in any ROM or OS on Android compared to WP7, so props to them for getting that right. The Email is really nice (as a consistent Hotmail user) texting is pretty bland, the Contacts or People or whatever is totally convoluted and unnecessary, I don't know how they managed to complicate something so simple. If I wanted to see facebook, I'd open it. I just want my damn contact list. Android has perfected this as far as I'm concerned, as it's "Person --- Phone button to call" and that's all there needs to be. You can click their contact card to get more information if need be.
The marketplace needs some work, definitely needs more sections like the Android Market (Communications - Free / Paid, Whatever - Free / Paid) as opposed to just Free EVERYTHING, or mixed paid / free in sections. I definitely don't think the Android Market is perfect, but it's definitely more usable than the Windows Marketplace.
Hmm.. Internet Explorer is really nice, it works surprisingly well for a browser I haven't even looked at in almost 10 years. I was pleasantly surprised, I was dreading that I couldn't use anything else, but Microsoft did a great job. It looks nice, it's not exactly feature rich, but it's snappy, clean, and responsive.
The music / videos app is alright, nothing special but not definitely usable and looks good.
The fact that MSN Messenger was NOT included in the OS completely deadpanned me, how the hell do you forget what was at one point your bread and butter? It would literally be like Google forgetting GTalk, it wouldn't happen. I don't like the MSN application that is available has to resume every time the phone sleeps, waste of a good 10 seconds. Facebook works fine.. Phone is fine, the simplicity gets in the way of speakerphone and stuff if you forget what little tab they're under, but whatever, it works.
Calendar is GREAT, I love the way it's set up, it looks really good.
Microsoft Office is amazing...works really well.
I think I covered everything? I know I kind of went off in some areas, but just my opinions..
Oh, I miss having an actual wallpaper. I don't care if I couldn't see 90% of it, better than just black. Maybe I have a special someone I'd like to see as my wallpaper for more than the half a second it takes me to unlock my phone. Oh well.

GlitchZero said:
No, because I use a Macbook (primary booting OS X) with W7, I'm forced to use W7 because there's one incredibly ****ty option for Mac syncing. I'd rather have a cluttered ass SD card with dragged files than EVER use WMP as my "media hub" or whatever. I don't use iPhoto. I use iTunes for organization, but that's it. However, if I want ANYTHING on my WP7 device, I'm forced to use these stupid Apple applications (and a beta app from Microsoft) I deleted because of massive bloat just to transfer stuff? Ridiculous. Build a frigging mount into it or let us use SD cards.
Sorry. That's a massive, massive frustration for me.
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Zune works well for media once you get the hang of it, and since you like your Live account so much, utilize the SkyDrive feature for cloud storage of documents. This second comment on this thread is a great idea for how to quickly access it...
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...7/thread/56adcec6-08ce-4d86-aa67-27dda1433fa0
Yes, access to the SD card would be nice. I suppose they're looking to cut down on support calls?

Android is not a phone; its a geeky toy
I bought an HTC Desire in August 2009. My HTC TyTN had just died and I couldn't wait for the late release of WP7. Android was such a disappointment. Market was unavailable in Sweden (it is open now), the UI looked disgustingly ugly and the whole experience was so much lower than descent. The only thing I really loved about Android was the notification system. I also have an iPhone so Android's notification system seemed totally like a blessing. Nevertheless Android just felt like another Google experiment. A geeky toy for Google lovers. I'm not a Google lover. Not because their products are so bad; They are bad, but I could forgive that. What I can't stand in Google is their daily bragging about their coolness all over the web while their products are actually years behind what they could really be had they cared about anything else than selling ads and hooking people onto their so called platform(s). So if I am to make a compromise on a product I am really more willing to compromise for Microsoft. Unlike newcomers like Google, Microsoft has proven over the years that they do have a vision about software and they do work on it. Google has no vision about the web other than dominance. They have a vision about advertising. My "vision" about advertising is that it is an old solution to an old problem which I'm not so sure will even exist for long in the so called "new economy". So I just sold my HTC Desire and bought an HTC HD7. I know that I will miss the WiFi tethering of my HTC Desire. Hopefully not for long. Like I said I can make a compromise for Microsoft but find it pointless to make a compromise for Google.

Android just felt cluttered to me. Yes, you can customize it as much as you want but personally I dislike the mess of widgets and icons. I was never happy with my home pages.
My phone doubles as my MP3 player and the WP7 audio playback is much better because of the HD7's sound enhancer. The sound equalizer I had on Android would only work on MP3s, not on other file types.
Pinch to zoom to WP7 is really really really good. Also the GPS on my HD7 finds my position significantly faster than my Android phone (would take several minutes to lock on). Bing maps really isn't bad so I don't know what the fuss is about. Sure there's no voice navigation, but I never used it when I had Android anyway.
Anyway my main reason for switching was that I hated being left behind while new phones are released with updates. Literally the way to upgrade with Android is to buy a new phone or root the phone. Problem with rooting is that each ROM has it's own little quirks and I didn't want to sacrifice functionality just to see a higher build number. IMO if you have to root in order to have the phone "work" then you're doing it wrong.
I do miss some things like the control panel and swype, but that's about it. So far so good.

I think from most of the posts above we can agree that WP7 is a clean functional minimal UI. And once the update comes in it will be one to brag about

ex-android user
I love android, and I still own several Android Devices, and I've been using android since the G1. Android (like many have said before me) reminds me a lot of Windows Mobile (and I loved windows mobile).
Why I made the switch:
Well, not to offend anyone, but WP7 seems to be a more mature OS, not in terms of functionality, but in terms of it's minimalist approach.
It's like comparing:
A tricked out Honda: http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/honda/tricked-out-honda.jpg
and a Cadillac CTS-V Coupe: http://photos.leftlanenews.com/phot...mbnailsnew/me-cadillac-cts-v-coupe-09_620.jpg
It's probably faster, and more elegant, but less flashy, and less customizable.
Ultimately it's a matter of preference, personally I'd chose the Caddy

A quandary. Again.

Previously: Owned HTC HD7, Windows Phone 7 device.
Current status: Own a RaZr running CM9. (Android 4.0.4)
Ok...
Here I am again at that crossroad. Where to go from here. I am in a genuine dilemma here. I have had a WP7 device and I loved the simplicity and fluidity that kicks Android in the nuts. (Let's be honest.)
The problem is, like they say, once a flasher, always a flasher. I have played around with RaZr a lot! I have had custom ROMs, mods, tweaks, apps...you name it. And this is where I want/wish/feel/need to stop. I am done with Android. It takes waaay tooo much of my time. There are so many tweaks and mods that it leaves very little family/social time. Android is very customizable. Like totally. I can have HTC OS/apps on a MOTO. LG homescreen on HTC. Bla bla...it goes on...
You would ask then why did I shift from WP7 to Android. Good question. The itch to flash a ROM, the high you get when you have another device's UI, an app that you love...all of that. The dev scenario on the WP front it almost negligible. I am again being honest. And I don't even have to mention how it is on Android front.
But, like I confessed, I am done. What else do I do now...?
On the other hand, WP8 is fresh, new and beautiful. I like it. Another thing, I had many apps that I thought I would love running once I get my Android. I did, only for a month. The excitement died with the same speed it was born.
So, I will conclude this with a question.
How will my experience be different from WP7 and more importantly, Android. I want a simple, fast, and innovative OS. But what is the future of WP? Is it going to be as big as Android? Apart from the resizable tiles, is there a lot more than what was there when I had it?
Footnote: I use phones for email, staying connected on social platforms, staying updated with all the latest tech news and most importantly, books. I like to read a lot. And of course Music. So is the WP8 for me? OR Android is my best bet?
PS: Trolling and sarcasm will NOT answer my questions. So please avoid it. I am looking for people who are genuinely interested in sharing info to make WP8 my next phone.
Thanks a lot for your time and patience.

circleofomega said:
Previously: Owned HTC HD7, Windows Phone 7 device.
Current status: Own a RaZr running CM9. (Android 4.0.4)
Ok...
Here I am again at that crossroad. Where to go from here. I am in a genuine dilemma here. I have had a WP7 device and I loved the simplicity and fluidity that kicks Android in the nuts. (Let's be honest.)
The problem is, like they say, once a flasher, always a flasher. I have played around with RaZr a lot! I have had custom ROMs, mods, tweaks, apps...you name it. And this is where I want/wish/feel/need to stop. I am done with Android. It takes waaay tooo much of my time. There are so many tweaks and mods that it leaves very little family/social time. Android is very customizable. Like totally. I can have HTC OS/apps on a MOTO. LG homescreen on HTC. Bla bla...it goes on...
You would ask then why did I shift from WP7 to Android. Good question. The itch to flash a ROM, the high you get when you have another device's UI, an app that you love...all of that. The dev scenario on the WP front it almost negligible. I am again being honest. And I don't even have to mention how it is on Android front.
But, like I confessed, I am done. What else do I do now...?
On the other hand, WP8 is fresh, new and beautiful. I like it. Another thing, I had many apps that I thought I would love running once I get my Android. I did, only for a month. The excitement died with the same speed it was born.
So, I will conclude this with a question.
How will my experience be different from WP7 and more importantly, Android. I want a simple, fast, and innovative OS. But what is the future of WP? Is it going to be as big as Android? Apart from the resizable tiles, is there a lot more than what was there when I had it?
Footnote: I use phones for email, staying connected on social platforms, staying updated with all the latest tech news and most importantly, books. I like to read a lot. And of course Music. So is the WP8 for me? OR Android is my best bet?
PS: Trolling and sarcasm will NOT answer my questions. So please avoid it. I am looking for people who are genuinely interested in sharing info to make WP8 my next phone.
Thanks a lot for your time and patience.
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Too many contradictions. You want new, fresh, different, but don't want to flash anything. You want wp8, but its not been released, so you are basing your wants on vapor ware.
For now, get an iPhone, then, if wp8 is ever released, read the hardware and software reviews, and weigh it again.
I don't like iPhones, but at this point, change and stability is all you need.

ohgood said:
Too many contradictions. You want new, fresh, different, but don't want to flash anything. You want wp8, but its not been released, so you are basing your wants on vapor ware.
For now, get an iPhone, then, if wp8 is ever released, read the hardware and software reviews, and weigh it again.
I don't like iPhones, but at this point, change and stability is all you need.
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Thanx for your reply. To begin with, I hate Apple to the core. So that's out of the window. I would rather stick with my RaZr. Thanx anyways...
Sent from my RaZr NeXus.

WP8 will have many new features:
Bluetooth File Transfer, Real Multitasking, 3rd Party Info on the Lockscreen etc..
Just browse through WP7 sites like www wmpoweruser com or http://www.1800pocketpc.com/...
I'll go for WP8...

chabun said:
WP8 will have many new features:
Bluetooth File Transfer, Real Multitasking, 3rd Party Info on the Lockscreen etc..
Just browse through WP7 sites like www wmpoweruser com or http://www.1800pocketpc.com/...
I'll go for WP8...
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I've made up mind too. I'm buying Windows Phone 8 as well.
Thanx!!
Sent from my RaZr NeXus.

circleofomega said:
I've made up mind too. I'm buying Windows Phone 8 as well.
Thanx!!
Sent from my RaZr NeXus.
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That's nice to hear... Welcome back in the WP world

Flash is alive !!

But not on android it seems.
I use flash for movies on my PC fine using Opera.
But despite all the claims, the various browsers, and numerous versions, It really does look like Flash is dead, and adobe has finally killed it.
Certainly on the HP touchpad and most if not all android mobiles anyway.
So whats going on? Anyone ?
I too have read the thousands of blogs (most are copies of each other) with so called alternatives.
Hell even opera has sided with the devil and uses chrome under its hood for its latest PC versions (and its crap).
Thankfully its far better earlier versions still play fine, and are miles better to boot.
But still nothing for android and the myriad of android devices dependent on flash to play streaming vids, games and other good stuff..
And you only have to start typing 'flash' here on xda in a search box to see the many thousands of searches for the same answer.
So it really is an issue for many people.
But what i dont get, is that this community of brilliantly clever programmers / hackers and developers just dont appear to know where to begin to build a working alternative or a working answer. Is this now the end of mankind or just android ?
Surly if there was a solution to be found anywhere it would be here.
But the fact there isnt, and only a very few worthy for trying but useless alternatives are out there, means mankind will continue to have a problem that can only get worse for years to come :crying:

cleverdicky said:
But not on android it seems.
I use flash for movies on my PC fine using Opera.
But despite all the claims, the various browsers, and numerous versions, It really does look like Flash is dead, and adobe has finally killed it.
Certainly on the HP touchpad and most if not all android mobiles anyway.
So whats going on? Anyone ?
I too have read the thousands of blogs (most are copies of each other) with so called alternatives.
Hell even opera has sided with the devil and uses chrome under its hood for its latest PC versions (and its crap).
Thankfully its far better earlier versions still play fine, and are miles better to boot.
But still nothing for android and the myriad of android devices dependent on flash to play streaming vids, games and other good stuff..
And you only have to start typing 'flash' here on xda in a search box to see the many thousands of searches for the same answer.
So it really is an issue for many people.
But what i dont get, is that this community of brilliantly clever programmers / hackers and developers just dont appear to know where to begin to build a working alternative or a working answer. Is this now the end of mankind or just android ?
Surly if there was a solution to be found anywhere it would be here.
But the fact there isnt, and only a very few worthy for trying but useless alternatives are out there, means mankind will continue to have a problem that can only get worse for years to come :crying:
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Flash is dying, let it die gracefully.
To be honest, i'm quite happy. Flash is being replaced with much better options.

But what? Until web creators / developers, provide access to content with other methods, flash and flash plugins are the only means to access it.
Unless there is a way to view flash cont from an android mobile without flash.

Flash is going to die; but not in near future i think... Half ot the World still using outdated browsers and new solutions doesn't mean anything for them. So web developers can't leave Flash that easy...