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Audio playback - as good as Ipod?

I was hoping for opinions on the MP3 playback quality on the kaiser. I have been using an N95 previously to play Mp3's through headphones but the quality is not as good as a standalone player like my Ipod. Problem is I want to ditch the Ipod and replace it with the a good sounding music smartphone.
Do you think the Kaiser is a good music player, when playing through wired headphones (not interested about the playback through the speaker).
Also what is the media library player like. Is the built in one good enough by itself or do you recomend a better third party app
Thanks for any help!

The ipod is a media player with a phone added on, the kaiser is a phone/pocket pc with media player facilities but given the different emphasis and target users of the two devices I think you can guess the answer. I find the sound thru phones ok but I think you'll be disappointed if you're looking for ipod quality.
I use conduits pocket player on pocket pc's.

patcooke said:
The ipod is a media player with a phone added on, the kaiser is a phone/pocket pc with media player facilities but given the different emphasis and target users of the two devices I think you can guess the answer. I find the sound thru phones ok but I think you'll be disappointed if you're looking for ipod quality.
I use conduits pocket player on pocket pc's.
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Don't you mean the iPhone is a media player with a phone added?

Thanks for the feedback. I might wait out for the iphone then in that case.
MP3 playback is top of my want list then followed by the phone. My N95 is just about passable for quality, do you recken the kaiser would be as good as the N95?

Well, Kaiser is not good for MP3 (Music) player. That's all.
If you want to have very good MP3 player, Kaiser is not for you.
meddleuk said:
Thanks for the feedback. I might wait out for the iphone then in that case.
MP3 playback is top of my want list then followed by the phone. My N95 is just about passable for quality, do you recken the kaiser would be as good as the N95?
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Are you sure, I mean with a wired headset the Kaiser sounds pretty good, the iPhone doesn't do BT headsets I think. The Kaiser just does so much more, the GPS is killer.

If you have the option to wait for the iPhone do it. The iPhone was designed based off of a solid foundation of years and years of iPod history. Although the quality of your music tracks will have a significant impact on the quality of sound, there is no denying that the listening experience as a whole must be taken into account. Listening to music on the iPhone is natural and seamless. Switching between phone calls and choosing select tracks to listen to is fluid. I can't say that with the Kaiser / Tilt. While third party applications may improve the experience, I think transition from music, to phone call, and back to browsing for music to listen to is cumbersome.
When I received my Kaiser, I didn't even think about using it for audio playback. I immediately made plans to pick up an iPod Nano for dedicated playback.
* Battery life has to be taken into consideration as well. My iPhone could go two days without a charge - taking calls, messaging, and listening to music. There is no way I'm going to be sacrificing battery life in order to listen to music on the Kaiser.

It's not a media player first, but it is certainly functional enough for me. Either using an A2DP bluetooth stereo headset, or the included headset, I have no problems using the Kaiser as my primary music device. Just get a 4GB SD card or more and you'll have plenty of space.
The HTC Audio Manager (not sure if this is on the tilt) makes it much easier for navigating available content like you would on an iPod/Phone, though Windows Media Player works fine too.

meddleuk said:
My N95 is just about passable for quality, do you recken the kaiser would be as good as the N95?
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Do you judge that based on the bundled earphone? That earphone may be the cause of 'all' problems. I mean, the iPod's earphone is designed for music, and generally would be better.
And, in the Wizard / Atom side, there are actually people able to tell the difference between an MP3 and AAC.. and this.. flac loseless compression music format, I dont think the sound can be that bad (i.e. you need a fairly good unit to able to hear the difference)
Ref:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335157

Thanks for the feedback. In answer to your question I have a pair of in ear sennheiser headphones which really show up any MP3 players problems. When trying to play MP3's on my N95 there was always a noticible gap between tracks and a slight hiss in the background which would disappear if you cranked the volume up. The big difference however was the range/clarity which made all my high bitrate MP3's sound as if they were encoded under 100kbs. The built in Mp3 player just seemed cheap as if it was knocked together with very little in the way of tweaks to improve things. The only improvement I could find was to run my MP3's through a third party app oggplay which gained a slight improvement in overall quality. I had learnt to live with this but wanted to make sure I didn't make the same mistake twice with my next phone.
My hearing on the other hand is not good enough to tell the difference between MP3/AAC etc. Often I hear that the Nano for instance has noticible worse playback quality than a standard Ipod but I cannot tell any real difference. But with the N95 it is very noticible.
I am not really asking for IPOD quality, but just a phone that performs better than the N95 otherwise it's not really worth it for me.

listening to music as we speak on the kaiser, sounds fine to me...i'm using some v-moda headphones and i can't really tell any differences from my ipod.

meddleuk said:
...When trying to play MP3's on my N95 there was always a noticible gap between tracks and a slight hiss in the background which would disappear if you cranked the volume up. The big difference however was the range/clarity which made all my high bitrate MP3's sound as if they were encoded under 100kbs. ...
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Well, that would be what I'm expecting on a phone media player.. due to the low SN ratio and the D2A converter. Probably you ought to ask (i.e. PM) the other guys (link in my post above) regarding how in the world they can differentiate MP3 and AAC/flac. Possibly the audio quality (unlike the camera quality) of these HTC are superb.

I dont understand how an ipod can be considered as a reference (cowon or other competitors did much better devices), but back to WinMobile based smartphones like the Kaiser, the very good news is that you have alternative players available (tcpmp)
I just repacked my iphone after a week, the speakers were good... but phone-wise it's just cannot be called a "phone" (too many features missing)
So I've not tested the kaiser yet, but I have no doubt that audio quality wise it could give good results with a good software like TCPMP...
Think about it : apple's product is love it as-is, or stay away from that.

Have you guys tried LCG Jukebox (they have clients for both N95 and TyTN II),
http://www.lonelycatgames.com/?app=lcgjukebox
I like it's features, download lyrics and album art, internet radio streaming, good equalizer. A bit pricey (19.99 for PPC and 24.99 for Symbian), I wish it was cheaper, but the sound on the TyTN II using a2dp is actually not bad at all.

I actually gave LCG Jukebox a go on the N95 and found that soundwise the quality was a little better than the built in MP3 player but no where near as good as oggplay. The interface however was horrible and not to be recomended and it just seemed cheap looking to me. It was also missing the search by artist/album etc.. which is a must for any media player.

ive been pretty happy with the playback over an A2DP headset from my tilt, in fact i think its better than my ipod (20gb 4th gen), but i do have this to add, all the ipods (at least up through 5th gen) use the same DAC as the 1st gen (how many years old is that again?), you can get much better sound quality out of other devices. due to the similarities, i would think that they have used this DAC in the 6th gen iPods also, the only only exception would the the iPhone/iPod touch, but you would have to find the specs somewhere to make sure

sebbes said:
I dont understand how an ipod can be considered as a reference (cowon or other competitors did much better devices)...
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Off topic a bit. Like it or not, iPod is here to stay due to favarious reason, where technical reasons play a minor part of it, as not everyone is of an audiophile or technical about the details, else every MP3 will look like a box with great stuff in it (i.e. best selling books aren't always best written, they just sell well). anyway, as of taking it as reference basically means it is easily obtainable, doesn't mean it is the greatest. E.g., I can tell you thing like, "that phone is almost a size of a CD", is better than, "that phone is exactly 5.72cm in length". You can easily get comparisons. Doesn't mean that CD is the best measuring device

With a good set of headphones (I'm using wired Senys as well), and it sounds just fine, equal to the nano with same headphones, and def better than a friends N95 (although I listened to that with Sony phones, and there usually a little too bass orientated).

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1551610&postcount=80
mp3, m4a (aac and alac), and wma
It is THE reference against which everything else could be compared, but could never reach (full stop/period...wait, here are a few more pics)
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Of course it's your product, right? I searched and downloaded and watched the wacky (very busy) demo. The product looks excellent and very intuitive. I'm not at all opposed to paying for software and donating, something I do often, but $30 seems steep for an audio player and the reg procedure is something different. I guess the handango burn was tough on you. I mainly use Pocket Gear for my commercial apps, are they OK by you?

Turning the Tilt into an effective MP3 player

Alright, simply put: I want to use my Tilt to replace my old MP3 player.
I installed PocketPlayer and got an 8 gig MicroSD card. Filled the card about half-full with music, and plugged it in.
This is the weird thing. The first time I put it in, PocketPlayer recognizes all the files (1200 or so), and they play without issue.
The problem is, if I exit the program and try again later, only about 60 files are still in the library.
When I check the card with File Explorer, I only see those files. If I take the card out and open it on my PC, everything's still in there.
So my question is, why is it that my Tilt isn't able to keep all these files available to me?
Any suggestions or alternatives would be greatly appreciated.

i would try not to place all the files in 1 dir but put them in sub dirs if you dont already to see if it makes a difference
never had the issue myself but my lib is a tree struct with artist->album->tracks

hmm, I personally use media player so i have my db or artists/geners/albums etc
My card is 4gb with a boat load of songs on it, have you tried using a diffrent player to confirm its not pocket thats not causing the problem ?
do the files disapear from you another(total commander/etc) file explorer within windows mobile as well ?
um my 2c's

I have 1.4G of music on mine, in appropriate directories, and it's okay with Pocket Player.
However, I find that Pocket Player uses a lot of battery playing them. I don't know if it's because I have them in ogg format or what, but the Tilt gets quite warm when playing for a while and the battery drop is pretty high, although I haven't actually measured it yet. I should do that tomorrow.

I haven't had any problems w/ TCPMP & my 8 gb card. I have all my music in storage card\my music\'artist names', and all the playlist files saved in my music

the htc audio manager is good no problems when using it with 8gb card. but the repeat function doesnt work does anyone have the same problem???

I use Mortplayer (Freeware) which is better than any commercial app out there. I have lots of MP3's on my 8gb card and always reads my library. It can also display album art. It also has presets and extra Bass etc etc. Try it out.

Does your Tilt go boooom?

Okay, re-organizing the music into directories worked.
Now I'm faced with the problem of getting an effective way to listen to it.
I have a good set of headphones, but the USB-headphone adapter is another story.
I don't like the fact that the adapters make it so that the microphone doesn't work. What's the best solution for an adapter? Or should I just give up and go Bluetooth?

strollymonster said:
Okay, re-organizing the music into directories worked.
Now I'm faced with the problem of getting an effective way to listen to it.
I have a good set of headphones, but the USB-headphone adapter is another story.
I don't like the fact that the adapters make it so that the microphone doesn't work. What's the best solution for an adapter? Or should I just give up and go Bluetooth?
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I personally like the Motorola S9 bluetooth headset. It all depends on the style you like but they sound pretty good. For bluetooth, it also depends on how much you'll be listening to it between charges.

I use the Plantronics convertible headset. Without the earbud it you can listen or make calls like a standard bluetooth. With the earbud you get stereo sound. The fit is dependant on your ears, though. They give you several options, including isolating buds, but you have to find what fits your ear best. Sound is great, and the bud make stereo convenient. I keep the bud in my pocket, so it is always available.

I use the latest Pocketplayer without a proble and like that the new version supports bluetooth control button like next song and play/pause. I still use TCMP to play my videos and with those two you cant go worng.

DRM'ed iTunes music on Android?

My wife has had an iphone for about 18 months, but she's really eyeing the AT&T Aria.. She has about 250 songs in her iTunes catalog, and frequently picks up random other new songs from the catalog, sometimes from the laptop, sometimes directly from her phone.
If she switches to the Aria, can she sync her iTunes music over? The answer I'm getting is that it has to have the DRM removed, otherwise no it won't play.. Gotta love that lock-in.
If this is the answer, I'll do my net research as appropriate.. But thinking surely there are other methods?
In that same vein, if she wants to continue to purchase music and keep in sync with her computer, any suggestions? She doesn't like iTunes, but at least she has the same music on both, plus she has an ipod that she uses sometimes..
Personally I just have mp3s and sync with rsync.. But she wants it easy.

Okay, so responding to myself here after more googling.
Looks like anything purchased up to a year ago should be what's called "iTunes Plus" which means it's not DRMed and should play in Android as-is. Anything older can be ugpraded at a price to "Plus" ($.30 or so a song).
DoubleTwist behaves similar to iTunes on the PC and the phone.
Anyone have input? Appreciate it

Old non-"plus" songs can be burnt to a cd and re-imported into itunes. This is somewhat time consuming but works well.

Lol. Extra cost to listen to what you paid for...

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Lol. Extra cost to listen to what you paid for...
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Not all that surprising coming from the company that wants extra money (iPhone bumpers) to make calls/get reception from from the phone you paid for.

Yeah, I know.. Actually turns out she has 250ish songs, 64 of them are non-plus, and about 30+ of those are nonsense crap she doesn't care about anyway, so not too big a deal.
She's played with her Aria all night, every 5 minutes "oooh!". And keeps saying how much faster it is than her old ipony.
And finally when she got it and got on GCal she said "oooh, I see why you wanted me to get on here, it's easy to add something to your calendar!"
So took a while, but at least she's figuring it out
Now back on subject, I think TuneSync is looking like the best option.... That way she can continue to buy music the way she does today, sync it to her ipod, etc..

[Q] Newbie begging help

Hello!
I am looking for something that does not seem to exist. I registered here in hopes that the brilliant minds of XDA might be able to offer me a solution.
I want Bluetooth hands-free calling on my desktop PC.
Let me explain: I work in my garage. I use my garage PC as my only music source. I use it for email and web stuff too, of course, but its main job is providing a streaming source for music from the server in my house.
When I am working and my phone rings, I cannot hear my phone. Tablesaws and routers and sanders are noisy, and the music is blasting.
What I want is the same thing my $200 car stereo does: mute or pause the music and announce the caller ID through my speakers. When I am done with the call, resume the music.
Seems simple, doesn't it? I have been googling this for quite some time. No answers anywhere, it seems.
If/when I push the button to answer, I want to use a microphone and my speakers to talk on the phone...simple as that. Yes, I know, there are a hundred ways of doing this other than my PC (stream to tablet, BT to tab, tablet to stereo, etc.) but nothing is going to live very long in all this sawdust (including my PC, but I don't care) so the goal is to have to buy nothing but a BT dongle and some software.
So...since I work on stereo stuff for a living, the stuff you guys do is a complete mystery to me, but I know what I want.
Does anyone know of an app that does this? If not, it seems to me that this would be a fairly marketable thing, does anyone have an interest in developing this?
Thanks for looking, and hope you have some brilliant answers for my dilemma.
Thanks!
Luke Fisher

well if you plug your phone into the speakers and play music of it like Pandora or even download your own music. Then when you get a call the music will stop and your ring-tone will play through the speakers till you pick up the call or miss the call.

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well if you plug your phone into the speakers and play music of it like Pandora or even download your own music. Then when you get a call the music will stop and your ring-tone will play through the speakers till you pick up the call or miss the call.
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Yes this is true, there are no cross platforms apps that really do what you want. This will happen probably in the next years it has to do with getting the platforms to work together.
I looked into this a couple of months ago, I did find a work around if you want to operate in linux........ then you can get the phone and computer to work together but then you are doing your own custom programming...... and you just want an app sounds like you do not want to be the programmer
Maybe someone else knows more and chime in............

oka1 said:
Yes this is true, there are no cross platforms apps that really do what you want. This will happen probably in the next years it has to do with getting the platforms to work together.
I looked into this a couple of months ago, I did find a work around if you want to operate in linux........ then you can get the phone and computer to work together but then you are doing your own custom programming...... and you just want an app sounds like you do not want to be the programmer
Maybe someone else knows more and chime in............
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Linux? Isn't that Charlie Browns best friend? Has a sister named Lucy, right?
Guys, my phone is a POS, ain't gonna go there at all. Samsung Instinct S30, until I find what I need a phone to do I am not giving up any money at all.
I know I can connect a cell phone to a PC with nothing but a simple BT dongle, but getting it to pause the music is the tough part.
Maybe I will just get another JVC KD-R900 and use it for shop tunes. I could run the shop stereo from it, just use the AUX in on the JVC from the PC.
Oddly enough, I listen to full albums, often several from the same artist, so I have no use for broadcast radio, nor sattelite or internet radio, just full CDs on my hard drive.
Thanks for the input so far, guys!
Luke

Stereoinstaller1 said:
Linux? Isn't that Charlie Browns best friend? Has a sister named Lucy, right?
Guys, my phone is a POS, ain't gonna go there at all. Samsung Instinct S30, until I find what I need a phone to do I am not giving up any money at all.
I know I can connect a cell phone to a PC with nothing but a simple BT dongle, but getting it to pause the music is the tough part.
Maybe I will just get another JVC KD-R900 and use it for shop tunes. I could run the shop stereo from it, just use the AUX in on the JVC from the PC.
Oddly enough, I listen to full albums, often several from the same artist, so I have no use for broadcast radio, nor sattelite or internet radio, just full CDs on my hard drive.
Thanks for the input so far, guys!
Luke
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Hmm... I have just done something similar with my phone.
Here's the setup:
You'll need:
1. A hi-fi system
2. An Android phone (any would do, but some of the apps in Andriod is critical)
3. 16-32gb sd-card
4. Bluetooth dongle for answering phones
Plug your phone into the hifi using the stereo sound jack, and plug your phone into the charger. Play music straight from the phone, and when it rings, you can set certain music apps to mute the music while letting the ringtone through. I'm quite sure that the default music app from el Goog, does that well.

[Q] Distorted Bluetooth

Was curious if anyone else has run into issues with audio over Bluetooth being distorted? On mine, when streaming Spotify to my car (extreme quality downloaded to the phone), there is a very noticeable distortion in the high frequencies. It's really pronounced on cymbal crashes.
I really hope this is just my particular phone and not all of the Ones doing this. I really like this phone otherwise but this is kind of a deal breaker for me. :crying:

Does it sound better (test with same song) when you plug it in with an audio cable? What's the MP3 sample rate?
I thought Google was supposed to have addressed this issue

I just drove around today with streaming from Google music with no issues.
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indiscriminant said:
I just drove around today with streaming from Google music with no issues.
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Hey quick question, if your car is capable, did you get the song/artist/album meta-data transmitted? This version of Bluetooth is supposed to have that in the spec...

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Does it sound better (test with same song) when you plug it in with an audio cable? What's the MP3 sample rate?
I thought Google was supposed to have addressed this issue
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No idea what the sample rate is. But it's the highest quality on Spotify. Even when it's on the lowest quality it doesn't sound this bad when using my old Galaxy Note 2 or iPhone.
Just tried it with the Aux jack in the car and it sounded fine. In fact, with Beats on, I'd say it sounded excellent. :good:
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I just drove around today with streaming from Google music with no issues.
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Maybe I should load up some music locally and see what happens. Out of curiosity, is yours rooted? I don't think that would have anything to do with it, would it?

I am rooted and running viper rom.
Also, it was both local and streamed from Google music.
On a huge side note, it transmits song data too! My EVO lte didn't do that, pretty happy to be surprised by that with the One as I wasn't expecting it.
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indiscriminant said:
I am rooted and running viper rom.
Also, it was both local and streamed from Google music.
On a huge side note, it transmits song data too! My EVO lte didn't do that, pretty happy to be surprised by that with the One as I wasn't expecting it.
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Awesome. I knew it was in the Bluetooth 4.0 spec, I just hoped it was supported. Wonder if Pandora does the same?

Spotify does not transmit song info...just an fyi
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I am rooted and running viper rom.
Also, it was both local and streamed from Google music.
On a huge side note, it transmits song data too! My EVO lte didn't do that, pretty happy to be surprised by that with the One as I wasn't expecting it.
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Maybe I'll flash the Viper Rom and see what happens. I'm on stock rooted right now.
Pretty awesome that it transmits that data!! That might be enough for me to get a new deck in my car. It's drives me nuts having blanks screens where the music data should be.

Does your car support aptx?
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I have no idea what that means. I have a 2013 VW CC Lux. Maybe you could look it up to see what it has for compatability?
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Support of song metadata is part of the AVRCP 1.3 profile, which this phone supports. That is independent of any Bluetooth core version (2.1 vs 3.0 vs 4.0) specification. There are only a few headsets and even fewer cars that support the AptX codec which this phone also supports. Think of the codec as a way of transmitting the audio from the phone to the headset in a higher quality than MP3.

I am noticing distortion on the highs when when streaming music over BT. I think even my EVO3D sounded slightly better than this How is there a ROM already available for the one? Where can I obtain Viper rom?
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Hey quick question, if your car is capable, did you get the song/artist/album meta-data transmitted? This version of Bluetooth is supposed to have that in the spec...
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I was excited to find out that my One was transmitting song data/text to my head unit over BT! my evo3d didnt do that. this is using PlayerPro

This just reminds me of how much I have to test on my phone before it's too late to exchange it.

Generally best to troubleshoot Bluetooth issues for music with the default player first before looking at alternative players. If it isn't working well on the default as well as your preferred player like PlayerPro, that says a lot more.

Well the info from the music player to the stereo is inconsistent. Using the same app, same songs, etc sometimes it shows music info sometimes it doesn't.
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Well the info from the music player to the stereo is inconsistent. Using the same app, same songs, etc sometimes it shows music info sometimes it doesn't.
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Just tried it again using the Viper rom this time and the same issue.
I'll load some music into the phone and use the stock player and see if it still does it.

Well I experimented with it yesterday streaming music from my Amazon MP3 cloud player and it was great...I was streaming to a JBL Flip Bluetooth speaker and it sounded awesome...BUT....we only have 3G in my area so the few little sounds I heard I attributed to 3Gs slower connection speed. I then downloaded a hard copy of the same song on my phone and played it non-streaming and it sounded better. Maybe its just the streaming that distorted the sound for you.

Loaded some MP3s into the One and tried the stock music player in the car is the same results. Super distorted.
I thought this got fixed with ICS. My Galaxy S2 (after the ICS update), S3 Note 2 and my iPhone 4s and 5 all had no trouble streaming to my car over bluetooth. :crying:

Just to clarify, I have had ZERO distrotion issues with music to my car or computer headset. Thats through google music and pandora, the music sounds great with no issues whether streaming or from my pinned playlists.
My only issue has been the inconsistent nature of if it provided the song info to my car's stereo. I have found that if I am on an FM station and then switch to bluetooth with my car for media that it always provides the information, so I am assuming that it is something to do with starting the car and syncing to the bluetooth immediately where maybe my stereo hasn't fully booted yet that is causing the audio to play but not getting the full music info.