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Portable webcam?

So as we are all aware, the captivate does not have a front facing camera. This doesn't bother me considering I never video chat. However, that may not be the same case for others. I was thinking today, computers and laptops have plugin webcams for USB ports. Why not smartphones? It could plug right into the top of the phone via the micro USB port and be the size of something like a wireless mouse receiver for a laptop. Could something like this physically be done? I know people who could do the physical part of the work like make the actual prototype, but would any coding/scripting need to be done inside the phone? I think it something alot of people want/need and could be profitable if successful. Share your opinions. Sorry if this is in the wrong forum or is a prepost...
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sandrich said:
So as we are all aware, the captivate does not have a front facing camera. This doesn't bother me considering I never video chat. However, that may not be the same case for others. I was thinking today, computers and laptops have plugin webcams for USB ports. Why not smartphones? It could plug right into the top of the phone via the micro USB port and be the size of something like a wireless mouse receiver for a laptop. Could something like this physically be done? I know people who could do the physical part of the work like make the actual prototype, but would any coding/scripting need to be done inside the phone? I think it something alot of people want/need and could be profitable if successful. Share your opinions. Sorry if this is in the wrong forum or is a prepost...
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I think if people are going to have to carry around a separate piece of equipment for video chat, they may as well not worry about software and just use one of those mirror attachments I have seen out there. Then you'd have a 5 MP FFC instead of a 1.3 MP one like most FFCs.

I for one would like that feature. It will be a while before I can upgrade again to a newer phone that has video chat and such. I don't know coding and such but I couldn't see why someone couldn't create an app that can be installed with said hardware if one was made. I too think something like that would be awesome. I can't see why if one can be added onto a laptop ( that doesn't already have one) with the added program files why something like that wouldn't work here.
I wouldn't mind carrying a extra bit of hardware with me. I mean I already bring with me an extra battery charger and my bluetooth and wired headsets. It wouldn't be something that would be used all the time. Another feature that our cpativates are lacking that could be added is a led light for when using the webcam. I have thought about making a case or something that has a led light that can (at least) run off a seperate battery and have a switch to turn on the light. But if something could. E done with a webcam that has a light also ( possibly a swivel webcam that rotates so you can either use it for video chat or as a seperate video camera) then you could have the led light turn on when needed for the camera or video functions. Good luck and make millions$. I am sure something like that could be a big seller for even cross platforms for phones that do not have video webcam/ chat or at least for all the android phones that don't.
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It is possible. Just need someone to work on it. See the link in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=872377

GAMacky said:
It is possible. Just need someone to work on it. See the link in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=872377
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Sounds like we should start a bounty. I'd love to be able to attach a MIDI controller.

The camera really would not need to be that big. If you look at the size of the camera night now its basically as big as a shirt button. I was thinking if you used something like a JIG but with a small camera on top it really should be no bigger then a quarter. Personally I be willing to pay maybe $100 for a little plug in video camera like that.
I would really like to see something like what the Motorola Atrix has going on with the ability to connect to a computer a basically have the Android OS running as separate OS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWIe8wQBqS0&hd=1

That would be a great idea.... But its probably done, just some product marketing guy needs to say ok sell it....
Cause doesn't the new google laptop have a webcam? That webcam piece is the size of strip of gum usually. Just need the connector and done.

I would much rather have some sort of small mirror/prism attachment that would piggy-back on the top of the phone, feeding my image into the already existing image into the camera.
Heck,
would sitting in front of a mirror and using skype/qik work?

New Joying HU with surround digital amplifier

Does anyone have new Joying HU with surround digital amplifier? Has the sound quality improved?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFr...zWiloVA/videos

They just came out. I posted in your other thread. I have one coming tomorrow. It may be some time before you get any real feedback since they are new. Looks promising, but we learn not to get our hopes up too much.

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They just came out. I posted in your other thread. I have one coming tomorrow. It may be some time before you get any real feedback since they are new. Looks promising, but we learn not to get our hopes up too much.
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that's cool, I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the new unit

For reference:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073LF3GZP
Others should buy this so I have safety in numbers

I wouldn't expect greatness from an amp in units like this. Any good HUs that have optical out? That is probably the safest choice to get good sound out of these units.
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Ziggyrama said:
I wouldn't expect greatness from an amp in units like this. Any good HUs that have optical out? That is probably the safest choice to get good sound out of these units.
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Anyone seen an android unit with toslink? For what its worth method of transport has no relation to sound quality. They solve different needs. Transport is like a road. It can be smooth or bumpy, but has nothing to do with the car you drive over it. You can send crap over a toslink and the head unit would have to convert lower grade data to PCM.

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Anyone seen an android unit with toslink? For what its worth method of transport has no relation to sound quality. They solve different needs. Transport is like a road. It can be smooth or bumpy, but has nothing to do with the car you drive over it. You can send crap over a toslink and the head unit would have to convert lower grade data to PCM.
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Yes, you are correct but it is important to note how these units are built. Toslink removes the need for DAC which is the weak link. Basically, the unit reads digital media and sends digital signal to something else which has its own DAC. Decoding and sending digital signals in these HUs is done with off the shelf chipssets that either work or don't. It is binary. A cheap DAC adds a lot of artifacts and general noise to the signal. So, the reality is, a cheap HU that does toslink can yield good sound. A cheap HU with a DAC will not, because economics won't allow it. That is why I asked. To use your analogy, what is better, a smooth road paved with no seams and expansion joints or one that was paved piece meal with connectors and detours? Hope that makes sense.
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Ziggyrama said:
Yes, you are correct but it is important to note how these units are built. Toslink removes the need for DAC which is the weak link. Basically, the unit reads digital media and sends digital signal to something else which has its own DAC. Decoding and sending digital signals in these HUs is done with off the shelf chipssets that either work or don't. It is binary. A cheap DAC adds a lot of artifacts and general noise to the signal. So, the reality is, a cheap HU that does toslink can yield good sound. A cheap HU with a DAC will not, because economics won't allow it. That is why I asked. To use your analogy, what is better, a smooth road paved with no seams and expansion joints or one that was paved piece meal with connectors and detours? Hope that makes sense.
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Many head units that have toslink really only had it for the CD or DVD and didn't convert radio or aux etc. A few units exist that do the conversion, but its pretty slim. I really don't think anyone has the expectation that for 300 bucks you are getting something amazing. You probably do get something incrementally better than the basic stuff we have been seeing.
Discussing toslink on these units is definitely an armchair topic and pretty far from realistic even if logically is makes sense.

i am really considering that 10.1 inch Joying, it would be my third Joying, so I have a good method of comparison

Well if its like the previous Joying units you can expect about one in 3 units to fully function out of the box and that one to fail within 90 days. Cheap chinese low quality junk with no warranty support.
Second, it does not belong in this forum. Has NOTHING to do with android auto. Off topic.

CadillacMike said:
i am really considering that 10.1 inch Joying, it would be my third Joying, so I have a good method of comparison
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Do it! I need safety in numbers. I have a few others to compare that are still running.

I popped it open. I actually don't think the back is any sort of serious heatsink. The digital amp is screwed to it, but there is a gap. Video out is cables alongside the left rear usb. I'm not sure what the empty socket is between the mic and the video out. There is nothing identifying on the silver box.
I probably wont get to bench testing it until the weekend or next week.

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I popped it open. I actually don't think the back is any sort of serious heatsink. The digital amp is screwed to it, but there is a gap. Video out is cables alongside the left rear usb. I'm not sure what the empty socket is between the mic and the video out. There is nothing identifying on the silver box.
I probably wont get to bench testing it until the weekend or next week.
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Thanks for tearing into one of these... I've been really curious if that fancy looking back panel was actually a functional heatsink or not. Curious how you rank the sound quality and "no heat problem" this unit is supposed to be advertised for... Look forward to the rest of your review/testing!

I am very interested to see if there is a noticeable sound difference
My Joying died and I put in a Sony until I figure out my next move.
I was genuinely shocked at the sound improvement. And I always thought my Joying sounded great, but my speakers have come alive with the Sony

i got the 10 inch single din with an amp and DSP. I got it installed last night. only had a short drive to test it, but I think it sounds pretty great

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i got the 10 inch single din with an amp and DSP. I got it installed last night. only had a short drive to test it, but I think it sounds pretty great
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Did you get a model number on that? I had to have several emails with joying describing what I wanted with a single din and 10.1 screen. They told me to buy a certain one and then add 40 bucks and they would know what to send. Seemed weird. Just wonder if that's what you did also.

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Did you get a model number on that? I had to have several emails with joying describing what I wanted with a single din and 10.1 screen. They told me to buy a certain one and then add 40 bucks and they would know what to send. Seemed weird. Just wonder if that's what you did also.
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Not yet, mine was a replacement for my 8 inch that quit working. I emailed them asking for a specific model number so I can post it in my review

Joying now makes it clear on their site:
Note: JOYING car stereo with internal digital amplifier only can fit the car which without internal amplifier and external amplifier.
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I assume this is because there appears to be a lack of rear pre-outs, but I'm not totally clear. I did see that if you enable an external amp the controls are reverted to the old interface.

So I have had my new 10 inch unit for about 2 days, and it works great. *Bluetooth doesn't drop out, sounds awesome. *
today and only today, I was listening to music loudly, and I noticed it would drop out a bit. *I thought it was odd and looked at the screen, and I got this flash with yellow on top and some Chinese writing:
I did a reboot and it started working fine again

Right on, thanks for posting your experiences with this unit... I decided to buy an Xtrons 10.1 octacore unit because it was around $100 cheaper than the Joying with the digital amp... Heard a number of complaints about wireless sucking and stuff so I'm eyeing the Joying as a backup if the Xtrons unit goes bad or I discover some sort of weird issue. I gotta admit, I have not encountered any problems with it thus far so hopefully I won't be needing to swap it for the Joying, but its good to know it generally works pretty good (and sounds good) ... One note about the Xtrons unit, is yes the wireless does kinda suck if I'm trying to use my home wireless from the driveway, however its rock solid and fast when I'm using my phone as a hotspot, which is how it will be used 99% of the time, so I'm pretty stoked thats not an issue!
Anyways, thanks again for the info guys!

What kind of motomod would you build?

If you could request -- or righteously demand -- any custom Moto mod, what would it be?
( Try to stay within the boundaries of physics and reasonability... That being said, legally or morally questionable is totally legit).
I personally would love a mod with a 6300mAh (or greater) battery extension that also housed the following ports: 2x USB 2.0, 1x stereo 1/8", 2x microSD.
It sounds like a lot, I know, but I figure if they can pack those damn 7-in-1 flash media adapters into a 2"x3" chunk of plastic, why couldn't they do it in a mod with some extra battery love?

What about of a mod with IR blaster, one or two more SIMs support, one more microSD slot and wireless charge support all-in-one?
Since of my info, it should be doable...

enetec said:
What about of a mod with IR blaster, one or two more SIM support, one more microSD slot and wireless charge support all-in-one?
Since of my info, it should be doable...
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Oh drats, i totally didn't think of an IR blaster, yeaaaah that would be nice! ( > *.* )>= ~ ~ ~ ~ {[~~ TV ]}

Some_Donkus said:
Oh drats, i totally didn't think of an IR blaster, yeaaaah that would be nice! ( > *.* )>= ~ ~ ~ ~ {[~~ TV ]}
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Eheheheh... Having had a Griffin before, I had more time to think on this!
They could call it Geez-MOD... :laugh:
(I've saw something about a project for a 4 SIMs mod some time ago, but never heard nothing more to date... )

I found it... What we need. Battery pack (like 2300mah) combined with this. >>> http://androidpimpreviews.blogspot.com/2016/08/blog-post_7

Some_Donkus said:
I found it... What we need. Battery pack (like 2300mah) combined with this. >>> http://androidpimpreviews.blogspot.com/2016/08/blog-post_7
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"Does not exist."
I would love to see an output or something on the mod to use it as a VR headset to the PC. That would be intuitive. Might need some coding to it and an official update to the mods app by Motorola, but would be a nice addition of "gimmicks" motomods bring.

Woops . Try this. http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G145457216438

Hi people I'm new. And happy to be here.
I appreciate all the work xda do, and I hope to learn from the community.
So please bear with me for making foolish comments.
Now my option for a mod is something like a wireless charger, flip cover case with a headphone jack.
If some more battery power can be added fine.
But this will be a case ft a headphone jack= best phone ever!!!

yeah, having a headphone jack would be useful, ive been burned several times forgetting that dang dongle!

I slide-out gamepad, to mimic the Xperia Play. Motorala's current gamepad is not travel friendly at all.

I always loved the way my Moto 360 turns into a little bedside clock when you put it on the charger. What if we had a Moto Mod dock you could put your phone on to charge and turn your phone into a little bedside clock. Maybe it also shows notifications on one side and have a clock with the weather forecast on the other.

Honestly i know it was talked about but it appears the project was a huge scam but why not take the edgemod as seen on indiegogo at https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/edge-mod-supercharge-your-moto-z#/ and combine it with Dual Sim Support, some of motorola's devmods look like they could easily make that happen.

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Honestly i know it was talked about but it appears the project was a huge scam but why not take the edgemod as seen on indiegogo at https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/edge-mod-supercharge-your-moto-z#/ and combine it with Dual Sim Support, some of motorola's devmods look like they could easily make that happen.
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It ended as a scam?

I would llike to see moto mod with project ARA

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It ended as a scam?
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yes when you read the comments that "Company" deleted every trace of them selves and absconded wit the donations, even people who were selected to receive the "Beta Mods" said they never got em

FragmentedLogik said:
yes when you read the comments that "Company" deleted every trace of them selves and absconded wit the donations, even people who were selected to receive the "Beta Mods" said they never got em
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Great!

I have the experience and most of the know-how to make a board for the stuff suggested... I've built bread boards before, and even custom programmed eprom chips before for custom audio rigs. I've dabbled with raspberry pis... Maybe after Xmas bonus I'll put down the money to buy the motomod Dev kit and see what I can do. The boards and modules won't be the difficult part. Building the exterior form factors to make it actually end-user friendly will be another story.
If (big if) I can get a few boards made that work exactly as intended with their respective modules, I'll see about the next step. This kind of stuff is way more in my wheelhouse than mobile programming.

I have many ideas but one would be a battery mod which accepted AA batteries. So instead of an internal sealed battery it could be sold without batteries and then just add the AA batteries and it would be working for emergencies.

Multi-mod
Kind of thick, but I think it may be worth the bulk
2000mAh bonus battery - reasonable, IMO
3.5mm port on the bottom, IR blaster on the top, a full size USB A port on the left, a full size HDMI port on the right. Plug in monitor, keyboard, and mouse with a USB hub for an instant desktop, or plug into a TV to mirror the screen. Obviously, things like plugging in USB gamepads for multiplayer phone gaming, plugging in a microphone and MIDI controller to use with FL Studio Mobile, etc, are fair game.
Slide it down for a 5 row keyboard. Out of the sides of that comes a flat gamepad with four shoulder buttons, four main action buttons, a d-pad, start and select buttons, and two clicky PSP-style flat sliding joysticks. It can wrap around the keyboard to create something like a Nintendo DS but with a keyboard instead of a second screen, or can wrap around the phone while the keyboard is hidden to give you a PS Vita-like setup.
Essentially, the point is to turn the phone into a pocket laptop. Need to work, but your laptop is nowhere near? Boom. Want to get your game on without touchscreen controls getting in the way? Boom. Want to plug in a scanner via USB and preserve priceless family photos dating back centuries? Boom.
If I were to prototype this myself(which I unfortunately lack the skills and funds for), I'd imagine it would come out costing about $180, with profit margin thrown in. Here's how I figure.
rPi Zero for ports - $15
Scrap PSP and four small buttons for game controller - $50
Keyboard - $30
Requisite connectors - $10
Plastic case (probably would have to have these custom 3D printed in bulk or simply get a 3D printer) - $5-ish
New 2,000mAh li-ion battery: $20
Cost to me: $130
Profit per unit without considering other overhead like work time or having to buy a 3D printer: $50
Honestly, the more I go on typing this, the more I want to check out how to actually make something like this.

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Kind of thick, but I think it may be worth the bulk
2000mAh bonus battery - reasonable, IMO
3.5mm port on the bottom, IR blaster on the top, a full size USB A port on the left, a full size HDMI port on the right. Plug in monitor, keyboard, and mouse with a USB hub for an instant desktop, or plug into a TV to mirror the screen. Obviously, things like plugging in USB gamepads for multiplayer phone gaming, plugging in a microphone and MIDI controller to use with FL Studio Mobile, etc, are fair game.
Slide it down for a 5 row keyboard. Out of the sides of that comes a flat gamepad with four shoulder buttons, four main action buttons, a d-pad, start and select buttons, and two clicky PSP-style flat sliding joysticks. It can wrap around the keyboard to create something like a Nintendo DS but with a keyboard instead of a second screen, or can wrap around the phone while the keyboard is hidden to give you a PS Vita-like setup.
Essentially, the point is to turn the phone into a pocket laptop. Need to work, but your laptop is nowhere near? Boom. Want to get your game on without touchscreen controls getting in the way? Boom. Want to plug in a scanner via USB and preserve priceless family photos dating back centuries? Boom.
If I were to prototype this myself(which I unfortunately lack the skills and funds for), I'd imagine it would come out costing about $180, with profit margin thrown in. Here's how I figure.
rPi Zero for ports - $15
Scrap PSP and four small buttons for game controller - $50
Keyboard - $30
Requisite connectors - $10
Plastic case (probably would have to have these custom 3D printed in bulk or simply get a 3D printer) - $5-ish
New 2,000mAh li-ion battery: $20
Cost to me: $130
Profit per unit without considering other overhead like work time or having to buy a 3D printer: $50
Honestly, the more I go on typing this, the more I want to check out how to actually make something like this.
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A prototype with all working features wouldn't be the hard part of any of this... the hard part would be the physical engineering of making it "compact" and pocket friendly. Not just 3-d printing, but you would eventually have to get in there with some rebound steel strips and such to make the "Slide" out sections slide properly... but fortunately, in the world we live in, if you had a working prototype (no matter how fugly and un-pocketable) some company is likely to buy it from you. A company that actually has the manufacturing resources to build all the nitty gritty mechanical parts.

[Discussion] 7 Pro - Features it's missing and why they don't matter

I've read a few articles or discussions bringing up feature that the 7 pro lacks, often times mentioning that individual items by themselves are deal breakers or several together might lead someone not to buy it.
Here are some of the ones I've seen the most, and why they really aren't a big deal
No 5G - 5G is still in its very early days and won't see widespread adoption for several more years. If you're not in one of the top 10 cities, don't be surprised if it you don't see it before the 7 pro's hardware is obsolete anyways. With all the new 5G phones coming out soon, the number of people that upgrade to them will skyrocket and likely over-saturate the available 5G networks, bogging down the purported speed benefits. Further, 4G LTE hits more than adequate speeds anyways. 99% of what anyone does on the internet isn't going to require more than 10Mbps connections. Some video streaming might require more than that, but I've seen 4G tests hit nearly 100Mbps (consistent, not spike speeds), so it is more than capable of handling what people throw at it. Cellular providers limit video streaming in most cases to 720p resolutions anyway.
Even the advertised latency improvements aren't a big deal. The only area where super low latency makes a significant difference is online gaming, and 4G already hits sub-50ms latency. I've personally played FPS games with a latency anywhere from 100ms - 2000ms (<- not a typo) many many times before, and rarely noticed even 200ms negatively affecting my game.
No WiFi 6 - Again, a young technology which won't see widespread adoption for several more years (many public wifi spots don't even have AC yet), and promises unnecessary speed improvements. 4K content can be easily streamed through a wireless N router with no buffering.
No wireless charging - This may be more of a preference, but the way I see it, wireless charging limits you in exchange for essentially no benefits. You can't move your device around while it's on the charging mat, unless you also pick the mat up with it and hold them together; plus, it's slow. Plug in your phone and you can easily pick it up and continue to use it while it's charging. One of the big "benefits" to wireless charging that gets touted around a lot is "removing the hassle of plugging in". Well, the charging mat still needs to be plugged in, and plugging a cable into your phone takes literally one second. With the battery life phones are advertising these days you almost never have to plug in before going to bed anyways. Seriously, what is the point of wireless charging?
No IP rating - Oneplus has done a great job of waterproofing the phone already, and adding an "official IP rating" doesn't magically improve its existing water resistance. There are several water videos on youtube already, with one going as long as 30 (broken up) minutes in a water bowl. Another shows that 2 days after their test the phone is still working fine. TBF, there is one video which shows the phone gets water inside it after a period of time, but that is at a depth of 1.5m (approx 5ft), and water pressure increases with depth (ie water works harder to get in the deeper it is). Throw the most water proofed phone into the bottom of the ocean and I guarantee it will get flooded. The companies that do provide an IP rating for their phones don't cover water or dust damage anyways. Outside of walking in the rain most people will be keeping their phones dry, so this really is not a big deal in the least.
No 3.5mm jack - OK maybe I lied just a tad in my title, as this is kind of a big deal since there aren't any good alternatives yet.
No SD Card slot - The storage options available for the phone are already pretty good. With most media consumption now being streaming, high storage capacities don't seem quite as important (I don't need to tote around my 50GB+ music collection, I can stream off YT, Spotify, even set up a home streaming server), and there are several good cloud storage options available (mega for one gets you up to 50GB for free).
Well, that about sums up this post. Obviously a large part of choosing which phone to buy is preference and subjective, but I think that at least these complaints against the phone are virtually unfounded (with the exception of the headphone jack of course )

I pretty much agree, the only convenience of wireless charging is that different phone types can use the same charger for example Samsung and an iphone can wirelessly charge on the same pad with no need for specific cables.

vv211 said:
No 3.5mm jack - OK maybe I lied just a tad in my title, as this is kind of a big deal since there aren't any good alternatives yet.
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There are adapters available which will allow you to charge and use headphones at the same time. https://www.amazon.com/Charging-Ada...way&sprefix=usb-c+charge+audio,aps,137&sr=8-1

It's a great phone, the first OP phone I have ever owned. I've always used Iphone and Samsung S/Note series before. But to me the camera is very important in a phone since I take a lot of pictures and even though I tried to make the pictures better with GCam and upgraded to latest OOS, I still think the camera is weak compared to the "flagships". Maybe the camera will improve one the next device but if it doesn't I plan to switch back to Samsung.

Can we expect to see the a 7T pro model with some of these features?
Or will the "T" model be the 7 Pro 5G with no other new features except 5G technology?

I'd love to have pocket mode back. Too many times it has become unlocked in my pocket for unknown reasons.

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There are adapters available which will allow you to charge and use headphones at the same time. https://www.amazon.com/Charging-Adapter-Headphones-Splitter-compatible/dp/B07TC1673L/ref=sr_1_1?crid=DHI0L7SYEI3K&keywords=usb+c+charge+and+audio&qid=1562094073&s=gateway&sprefix=usb-c+charge+audio,aps,137&sr=8-1
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Personally, I am in the "don't want to have to mess around with dongles" camp. One of the huge pluses to the 3.5mm Jack is it just works. I've read a few reviews of various dongles that say they don't work with certain phones. Compatibility was never a problem with the 3.5mm
jfm91 said:
Can we expect to see the a 7T pro model with some of these features?
Or will the "T" model be the 7 Pro 5G with no other new features except 5G technology?
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I haven't really followed OP in the past so I'm not sure what kind of improvements/changes they typically make for their T model, but I had been under the impression that the 5G would be a separate model from the T

No Wireless Charging: I feel like no wireless charging on a glassbacked device is a big FU, No reason to drop metal unibody for weaker glass only to cut costs and raise profit margins the same reason no wireless charging included, "The whole it's slow" is a bs excuse, Xiaomi proved that with 20w wireless charging on the Mi 9.
No 3.5mm Jack: Why remove the universal audio port??? Again no reason, No alternatives only to push there crappy accessories. Why should we be forced to re buy headphone etc when our current headphones work fine? Also to touch on the charging point now as we have no headphone jack we have 2x the wear on the Type C port so wireless charging could of helped with that to migrate the wear and improve longevity.
No SD Card Slot: Again no reason to not include a dual SIM + Micro SD, Another reason to get you to buy higher priced UFS storage instead just like Apple does it. Other devices had no problem including a hybrid dual SIM.
I'll add another of my own
No 3.5mm Jack adapter: How can you remove the headphone port and then make you pay $12.95 for an adapter which is only passive so they cost nothing to make you can buy them from China for like 30 cent each. So think the cost to make it it's nothing to them yet they can't give us one in the box...
All bull**** just to cut costs and make the end user pay more ez marketing. We are getting less for more money.

Sd card not needed due to fast ufs storage 3.0. headphone jack - time to move on. . 5g and wiFi 6 . It sounds nice to have now just to feel a false sense of future proofing . But by the time these speeds become useful the rest of this phone will be outdated and most people would of moved on to the OnePlus 10pro. I started a whole thread about the disadvantages of the OnePlus 7 pro and th conclusion from everybody is that this phone offers everything somebody needs now and as a bonus at a fantastic price and for a very long time.

I find two very important items missing in the One Plus 7 pro
1) Notification Light
2) Sounds -> Vibrate on Tap

insomnia77 said:
Sd card not needed due to fast ufs storage 3.0. headphone jack - time to move on. . 5g and wiFi 6 . It sounds nice to have now just to feel a false sense of future proofing . But by the time these speeds become useful the rest of this phone will be outdated and most people would of moved on to the OnePlus 10pro. I started a whole thread about the disadvantages of the OnePlus 7 pro and th conclusion from everybody is that this phone offers everything somebody needs now and as a bonus at a fantastic price and for a very long time.
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Why do you feel it's time to move on from the headphone jack? You can get incredible sounding audio from it, it's royalty free (maybe USB-c is too? idk), any connector made to fit into the jack will just work, and no need for dongles or adapters. I've seen reviews on many usb-c headphones that they don't work with or aren't fully compatible with various devices
I agree with the other points though

liam_davenport said:
No Wireless Charging: I feel like no wireless charging on a glassbacked device is a big FU, No reason to drop metal unibody for weaker glass only to cut costs and raise profit margins the same reason no wireless charging included, "The whole it's slow" is a bs excuse, Xiaomi proved that with 20w wireless charging on the Mi 9.
No 3.5mm Jack: Why remove the universal audio port??? Again no reason, No alternatives only to push there crappy accessories. Why should we be forced to re buy headphone etc when our current headphones work fine? Also to touch on the charging point now as we have no headphone jack we have 2x the wear on the Type C port so wireless charging could of helped with that to migrate the wear and improve longevity.
No SD Card Slot: Again no reason to not include a dual SIM + Micro SD, Another reason to get you to buy higher priced UFS storage instead just like Apple does it. Other devices had no problem including a hybrid dual SIM.
I'll add another of my own
No 3.5mm Jack adapter: How can you remove the headphone port and then make you pay $12.95 for an adapter which is only passive so they cost nothing to make you can buy them from China for like 30 cent each. So think the cost to make it it's nothing to them yet they can't give us one in the box...
All bull**** just to cut costs and make the end user pay more ez marketing. We are getting less for more money.
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To me the wireless charging falls under the "bells and whistles" category; completely unnecessary, but convenient in specific instances. Your phone is still "tethered" to a specific spot; even more so than plugging in because you can't even pick the phone up or charging stops. Maybe it is becoming faster, but what I had read online indicated it was slower than wired charging.
I agree with the audio port issues. Very upsetting they removed it, and couldn't even include an adapter!
At first I thought it was just a blind copy of what apple did (far too much of that going on I think; from the headphone jack, display notch {I personally prefer full-on bezels over any type of notch/cut out/hole punch}, overall design trends {a lot of phones might be mistaken for iPhone at a quick glance these days}), but now I think it's just a money grab
SD cards I think are far less necessary these days with the increased storage capacity of the phones
BTW I like your profile image ? lol

missing fm radio/headphone jack. yes lots of people still love radio... and it's free!
notification led. could have included it.
a macro lens instead of telephoto. besides it's not very good, nor is it 3x.
a red color. like the blue, that would have been badass!
LOVE the popup camera. no more spying!
ability to remap vibrate/silent slider. kinda redundant

buschris said:
a red color. like the blue, that would have been badass!
LOVE the popup camera. no more spying!
ability to remap vibrate/silent slider. kinda redundant
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Red would be cool. I'm surprised they didn't make one!
Have there been any cases of apps using the front camera to spy on people? I hadn't heard of anything like that happening

for headphone jack, try a Bluetooth DAC such as Fiio's btr series. It is very likely better audio quality plus you dont have to tangle the wire since the dac is small and you can just clip it on your clothes somewhere.
I have btr3 and its awesome. All Bluetooth codec supported and sounds great. There are cheaoer options and they are good too.

18pcs said:
I find two very important items missing in the One Plus 7 pro
1) Notification Light
2) Sounds -> Vibrate on Tap
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Try this for notification light.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-6t/themes/app-amoled-notification-light-t3943715/post79810512

buschris said:
missing fm radio/headphone jack. yes lots of people still love radio... and it's free!
notification led. could have included it.
a macro lens instead of telephoto. besides it's not very good, nor is it 3x.
a red color. like the blue, that would have been badass!
LOVE the popup camera. no more spying!
ability to remap vibrate/silent slider. kinda redundant
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You nailed it for the pop up camera. I was looking forward to under display camera but not anymore now that you put it this way. I would be sad to see it go for this reason. I would pay extra to have it on the next gen phone.

That pop up camera is so cool

insomnia77 said:
You nailed it for the pop up camera. I was looking forward to under display camera but not anymore now that you put it this way. I would be sad to see it go for this reason. I would pay extra to have it on the next gen phone.
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Have there been any cases of ROMs or apps spying through the front camera?

buschris said:
missing fm radio/headphone jack. yes lots of people still love radio... and it's free!
notification led. could have included it.
a macro lens instead of telephoto. besides it's not very good, nor is it 3x.
a red color. like the blue, that would have been badass!
LOVE the popup camera. no more spying!
ability to remap vibrate/silent slider. kinda redundant
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vv211 said:
Have there been any cases of ROMs or apps spying through the front camera?
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Not that im aware of. But Ive always covered them on my tablets and now some devices like the echo show 5 come with a slider to cover it.

Note 10+ features ported to Note 9

Hi
I wonder if some features of the Note 10+ could be ported to the Note 9
I believe that the features that dont depend on different or addicional hardware could be ported
E.G.
- Double tap to wake on system options (that wont mess up AoD)
- S Pen features such as Handwriting recognition or others (not the gestures part cause they depend on some addiocional hardware on the Note 9 S Pen, and also... they´re just weird *...)
- SuperSteady Video and Night Mode on front camera would be nice but i´m suspecting that those features might require different or addicional hardware
- Samsung DeX on Windows would also be nice to have...
These are a few of the features i would enjoy on my Note 9
What you guys think?
Do you believe that is better to make the upgrade?
Or you agree that some of the new features of the Note 10+ should be updated to the Note 9 from Samsung itself?
What features would you like to use on your Note 9?
RSGI
* - If you dont mind looking like Harry Potter while taking a picture outside... go ahead and upgrade

Have upgraded but I agree, a lot of the newer features are mostly software...
After the hoo-haa of the Note 10 release, probably 3 - 4 months away, the Note 9 should get a few of these features (those not dependent on the new hardware anyway)..
If not, Samsung is guilty of forcing you to upgrade simply for their financial gain.

ultramag69 said:
If not, Samsung is guilty of forcing you to upgrade simply for their financial gain.
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This is typical of all mobile device manufacturers. As that is the only way the can make a profit. Also all modern electronics are designed to fail within 2 years.

iceepyon said:
This is typical of all mobile device manufacturers. As that is the only way the can make a profit. Also all modern electronics are designed to fail within 2 years.
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Hey, I'm with my S5 since start of 2015 and it's still working fine Gonna upgrade to the 512 N9 tho.

ultramag69 said:
Have upgraded but I agree, a lot of the newer features are mostly software...
After the hoo-haa of the Note 10 release, probably 3 - 4 months away, the Note 9 should get a few of these features (those not dependent on the new hardware anyway)..
If not, Samsung is guilty of forcing you to upgrade simply for their financial gain.
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Forcing? Seriously? What an entitled generation! Samsung pays for that software to be developed. You can pay for it too! They aren't forcing you to do anything. Profit is good. It drives innovation.

koragg97 said:
Hey, I'm with my S5 since start of 2015 and it's still working fine Gonna upgrade to the 512 N9 tho.
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My old Note 4 N910C is working perfectly as well. However recently I have been having issues getting a decent signal with HK Cell Providers, which is what forced me to upgrade to the Note 8.

gruuvin said:
Forcing? Seriously? What an entitled generation! Samsung pays for that software to be developed. You can pay for it too! They aren't forcing you to do anything. Profit is good. It drives innovation.
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I would pay them to use the features on my Note 9.
But I will never buy a phone without headphone jack and a punchout hole.

I'd really like the screen recorder software on the note 10+ to be ported to the note 9!
I recieved my note 10+ yesterday and its really not impressing me. It feels a little off for some reason. Maybe because the power button being on the left side? I can't quite place my distaste for this phone.
I find my fingers getting in the way of the camera quite easily. And the front facing camera, not sure if I'd ever get use to that. Every time I make/recieve a call all I see is that camera about to goto my ear and it feels like my ear is about to be violated by a doctor with a telephoto stethoscope?
Enough of that though! Yes, the screen recorder definitely needs to come to the note 9.

Shad0wsabr3 said:
I'd really like the screen recorder software on the note 10+ to be ported to the note 9!
I recieved my note 10+ yesterday and its really not impressing me. It feels a little off for some reason. Maybe because the power button being on the left side? I can't quite place my distaste for this phone.
I find my fingers getting in the way of the camera quite easily. And the front facing camera, not sure if I'd ever get use to that. Every time I make/recieve a call all I see is that camera about to goto my ear and it feels like my ear is about to be violated by a doctor with a telephoto stethoscope?
Enough of that though! Yes, the screen recorder definitely needs to come to the note 9.
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You can get native screen recording with good Lock using the nice shot module.

Isn't it a bit like you would have to buy a new PC every time windows comes with a new feature or something?
Anyway, I can search handwritten notes and also extract text, so I think Note9 already has Handwriting recognition? Maybe it's build in the the Note app itself?

Chaos Engine said:
I would pay them to use the features on my Note 9.
But I will never buy a phone without headphone jack and a punchout hole.
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I agree! Neither would I. I'll use a Note9 for as long as possible, and if Samsung doesn't smarten up, this will be my last Samsung. No headphone jack was a retarded Apple idea that Samsung follows like lemmings off a cliff.

gruuvin said:
I agree! Neither would I. I'll use a Note9 for as long as possible, and if Samsung doesn't smarten up, this will be my last Samsung. No headphone jack was a retarded Apple idea that Samsung follows like lemmings off a cliff.
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To be fair Samsung has been following Apple for a long time.

dave678 said:
To be fair Samsung has been following Apple for a long time.
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Yep. No replaceable battery. No sdcard. But they brought back the sdcard, then brought in the dumb curved edges. Removing the headphone jack goes too far. I won't buy another Samsung if I cannot connect my headphones.

gruuvin said:
Yep. No replaceable battery. No sdcard. But they brought back the sdcard, then brought in the dumb curved edges. Removing the headphone jack goes too far. I won't buy another Samsung if I cannot connect my headphones.
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The curved display, while a little annoying, isn't so bad, you can get used to it --- my only huge complaint about it is that it makes cases a nightmare because you can't physically reach the edges of the screen thanks to the design of most cases... (Although arguably if you don't drop the phone you really don't need a case today thanks to the super-hard gorilla glass, I'm just paranoid from so many years of " just look at the phone to hard and it'll get a scratch" --- the one and only feature that flip phones really were a better design)
Also, I think I saw somewhere that one version of the Note 10 actually loses the SD card once again in favor of dual SIMs instead... (though that could be for specific markets where it's more popular like Asia)
I agree on the headphone jack - I actually spend considerable money on good headphones (both my main PC headphones and my phone headset are Sennheiser) because you simply cannot get the same quality from Bluetooth yet (not to mention that is one more device to remember to charge --- though when/if they could get charging as quick as the Spen I'd forgive that, I'd even give up longer listening times if I could just hold the headphones against the back of the device for 30 seconds to get an hour of listening time)
And here's a disturbing thought --- Is the removal of the headphone jack just a step towards removing ALL wired peripheral support? I mean we have wireless charging now, and wireless headphones/headsets, not to mention wireless keyboards/mouse and wireless displays (albeit with slow refresh time and/or high lag) so arguably they could "justify" removing the USB port as well to claim "now it's 100% sealed so it's more waterproof!" while, in reality, making it that much harder to root the phone (and conveniently making wireless peripherals "only work best with Samsung brands" like the Samsung's wireless earbuds)?

gruuvin said:
Yep. No replaceable battery. No sdcard. But they brought back the sdcard, then brought in the dumb curved edges. Removing the headphone jack goes too far. I won't buy another Samsung if I cannot connect my headphones.
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Move on, who uses wired headphones anyway? It is more and more as cliche.

Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Move on, who uses wired headphones anyway? It is more and more as cliche.
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Lots of people use wired headphones. And lots of people are not buying devices because they lack a 3m5mm audio jack.
But, Go on and toe the line for device manufactures though, who are simply doing this the cut costs and make waterproof certification easier.

Bober_is_a_troll said:
Lots of people use wired headphones. And lots of people are not buying devices because they lack a 3m5mm audio jack.
But, Go on and toe the line for device manufactures though, who are simply doing this the cut costs and make waterproof certification easier.
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Well it's not like if technology shouldn't advance. I'm not saying the Jack has to go right now, but at some point it will need to. Could you imagine if digital cameras today still required a roll of film to use in some way?
Now instead of buying a roll of film, you buy an sdcard. Instead of buying wires, you buy wireless. Instead of using fax, you can now email.
All advances my friends, all advances. And yes a company has to cut cost because....
Say it with me...
"All businesses are in the business of making money!"
Hey look at it this way though. At least the phone comes with wireless Airbuds that IT can charge. Now that's tech! I can't charge any other damn thing in my house without plugging it in, yet that thing can charge music transporters?!
Think about that for a second...

Jammol said:
Well it's not like if technology shouldn't advance. I'm not saying the Jack has to go right now, but at some point it will need to. Could you imagine if digital cameras today still required a roll of film to use in some way?
Now instead of buying a roll of film, you buy an sdcard. Instead of buying wires, you buy wireless. Instead of using fax, you can now email.
All advances my friends, all advances. And yes a company has to cut cost because....
Say it with me...
"All businesses are in the business of making money!"
Hey look at it this way though. At least the phone comes with wireless Airbuds that IT can charge. Now that's tech! I can't charge any other damn thing in my house without plugging it in, yet that thing can charge music transporters?!
Think about that for a second...
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OEM's put headphone jacks on phones back in the days of the flip phone. Now everyone is just copying Apple becasue it's so trendy. The jack will never be obsolete lol. Sure, IR and a jack connector are “old tech”. The launch date of the tech is not the relevant factor. What matters is whether these technologies remain in installed use. Most PA systems, projectors, TVs, air cons etc installed and in use in hotels, meeting rooms, schools, clubs and so on use these technologies.
So if you want to interface with them, you need those technologies.
I just love it when all these bleeding edge people with their bleeding edge gizmos discover that it takes an old fuddy-duddy with a proper ‘workhorse’ phone to be able to get the projector switched on before business can commence.

Jammol said:
Well it's not like if technology shouldn't advance. I'm not saying the Jack has to go right now, but at some point it will need to. Could you imagine if digital cameras today still required a roll of film to use in some way?
Now instead of buying a roll of film, you buy an sdcard. Instead of buying wires, you buy wireless. Instead of using fax, you can now email.
All advances my friends, all advances. And yes a company has to cut cost because....
Say it with me...
"All businesses are in the business of making money!"
Hey look at it this way though. At least the phone comes with wireless Airbuds that IT can charge. Now that's tech! I can't charge any other damn thing in my house without plugging it in, yet that thing can charge music transporters?!
Think about that for a second...
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How idiodic to compare going from film to SD cards.. a clear improvement,both in terms of speed and reusability.
While on the other hand going from wired headphones with no audio quality loss,no batteries to recharge, and most importantly, NO BATTERIES TO RECHARGE.
Wireless headphones are useless for many people, including those who ride streetbikes and put headphones I. While riding. Good luck getting wireless headphones to fit under a helmet without turning your ears Into Swiss cheese, and hopefully you don't go out for more than 4 hours at a time, otherwise, no music 4 u!
It's not an "advancement". You don't need to remove the headphone jack to have the ability to use wireless headphones.
Say it with me one more time.... The lack of the 3.5mm headphone jack is just a way for companies to cut costs and make waterproof certification easier. It has nothing to do with "technology advancing". It's the same reason that only the note 4 had a IR blaster and then they stopped that. It was an incredibly useful feature that was cut to make more $$$. Samsung is doing it's best to put me on a xaomi or huwaie phone. Currently they seem to be the best phones on the market when you look at features vs price.
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dave678 said:
OEM's put headphone jacks on phones back in the days of the flip phone. Now everyone is just copying Apple becasue it's so trendy. The jack will never be obsolete lol. Sure, IR and a jack connector are “old tech”. The launch date of the tech is not the relevant factor. What matters is whether these technologies remain in installed use. Most PA systems, projectors, TVs, air cons etc installed and in use in hotels, meeting rooms, schools, clubs and so on use these technologies.
So if you want to interface with them, you need those technologies.
I just love it when all these bleeding edge people with their bleeding edge gizmos discover that it takes an old fuddy-duddy with a proper ‘workhorse’ phone to be able to get the projector switched on before business can commence.
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But, but, my phone has a 98% screen to bezel ratio! It's certainly better!

dave678 said:
OEM's put headphone jacks on phones back in the days of the flip phone. Now everyone is just copying Apple becasue it's so trendy. The jack will never be obsolete lol. Sure, IR and a jack connector are “old tech”. The launch date of the tech is not the relevant factor. What matters is whether these technologies remain in installed use. Most PA systems, projectors, TVs, air cons etc installed and in use in hotels, meeting rooms, schools, clubs and so on use these technologies.
So if you want to interface with them, you need those technologies.
I just love it when all these bleeding edge people with their bleeding edge gizmos discover that it takes an old fuddy-duddy with a proper ‘workhorse’ phone to be able to get the projector switched on before business can commence.
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Bober_is_a_troll said:
How idiodic to compare going from film to SD cards.. a clear improvement,both in terms of speed and reusability.
While on the other hand going from wired headphones with no audio quality loss,no batteries to recharge, and most importantly, NO BATTERIES TO RECHARGE.
Wireless headphones are useless for many people, including those who ride streetbikes and put headphones I. While riding. Good luck getting wireless headphones to fit under a helmet without turning your ears Into Swiss cheese, and hopefully you don't go out for more than 4 hours at a time, otherwise, no music 4 u!
It's not an "advancement". You don't need to remove the headphone jack to have the ability to use wireless headphones.
Say it with me one more time.... The lack of the 3.5mm headphone jack is just a way for companies to cut costs and make waterproof certification easier. It has nothing to do with "technology advancing". It's the same reason that only the note 4 had a IR blaster and then they stopped that. It was an incredibly useful feature that was cut to make more $$$. Samsung is doing it's best to put me on a xaomi or huwaie phone. Currently they seem to be the best phones on the market when you look at features vs price.
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But, but, my phone has a 98% screen to bezel ratio! It's certainly better!
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Why do I get the idea that neither of you took my post for the sarcasm sections that it had.??? Well it is somewhat difficult to portray over text with giveaways. ?
Well I guess I have to be serious about my post then.
First guy, Dave, cool man, yes those technologies are everywhere, the systems advanced to where they got so that they can be utilized everywhere. Wireless tech is advancing as well. BMW has a car that can be charged wirelessly. Think of all the other tech that could be charged wirelessly in the future. Or what other advancements they can make based off that tech. Wait, why am I even talking about this? None of the TVs in my house have RGB connectors, and they said that's the best visual experience we could get. Now we have wireless 4k.
As for the troll guy, I am starting to think you might be the troll. Or you're just really hotheaded. You started your reply with calling my comparison idiotic. And you want an intelligent response from people? Nowhere in my post did I use inflamatory or disrespectful language, but in this one you'll get the feeling.
The point of my post was to show a logical reason for killing the headphone Jack. I even stated it shouldn't be killed right now, but no, you decided to skip over that first opening slice. I went on to agree with you on the fact that yes, they are doing it to cut cost. Hence "all businesses are in the business of making money!" Cause you know, people like money and companies have people in them. A shareholder's goal is to make as much money as possible so that the company keeps making money. Yes cut costs to save money. Hey look I was still agreeing with you.
You all sound like a bunch of old folks who don't like change. If you don't like the direction a company is going, buy some shares and be on the board of decision makers. If not, don't buy their devices. Or....go make your own.
Things will change with or without you, so either accept it or continue to feel bitter about old tech, yes OLD TECH, I SAID IT!!!
I need to stay off the internet at night. I seem to get into some weird stuff.
By the way, while y'all are *****ing about the 3.5mm headphone jack and missing it oh so much, Flynt Michigan STILL doesn't have clean water fam. STILL!??
TALK ABOUT LACK OF ADVANCEMENT OF TECHNOLOGY!