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[Q] Should I buy Xperia X1 now?

Most phones in the market had one or the other reason for me to eliminate them (be it cost or feature).
I have shortlisted SE Xperia X1 and SE Hazel. The cost difference between these 2 models is about $50.
Which one should I choose? One a 2 year old smartphone and the other non-smartphone. Does it make sense to go for the X1 over the Hazel?
I have NOT used any smartphone till date and I normally keep my phone for more than 2 years.

drsk said:
I have shortlisted SE Xperia X1 and SE Hazel. The cost difference between these 2 models is about $50.
Which one should I choose? One a 2 year old smartphone and the other non-smartphone. Does it make sense to go for the X1 over the Hazel?
I have NOT used any smartphone till date and I normally keep my phone for more than 2 years.
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It all comes down to your preference. If all you want is simple and stable and just a simply "phone" to call others, pick the Hazel.
If you don't mind the pain for the learning curve and have to do a lot reading here (especially you are new to smartphone), X1 is still a powerful workhorse for your MP3/video, GPS, personal data organizer.

I'd recommend it if you can get it for a good price - dont pay like £300 for it - but it is a good device but theres lots to learn and much to tweak to get it good. if you got time to do that then go frit!

jackleung and comeradealexi - Thank you very much for your response.
You have helped me decide on the phone. I will go with X1. I am getting it for approx. £200.

I also recommend you the X1. You will get a powerful smartphone with the freedom of Windows Mobile. Use xda-developers as your source for software and you will realise sooner or later that there is a freeware solution for almost every need/ situation.

Don't buy X1 now. Go for an HTC Android phone. X1 is slow.

I would chose an Android device over the X1. The 800x480 pixel resolution is too much for xperia processor so it will be slow in multiple situations. Look for an Android device in the same price range, and you will be happier (or at least this is what I'll do if I was in your situation; Xperia is a great phone, I don't regret I payed for it).
Or look at a WM phone with better processor or lower screen resolution.
Cheers!

short answer: no, don't buy it. it's old...
longer answer:
it's hw is outdated and the drivers provided by SE are inferior. SE did a real lousy job on this. the official rom comes with winmo 6.1, the panels just suck. we all use 6.5-roms, but since there's no official 6.5-rom as a base, it's always a bit of a workaround on the x1.
go android. or have a look at windows phone 7. if it has to be windows mobile (it's all but dead now!), get the hd2 (touch pro 2 may be cheaper, if you can get one). everything else you wouldn't really enjoy.
(btw, the resolution isn't too much for the hw - it's the drivers. if you ever had a go with htc's touch pro 2, you'd know. same hw, better drivers, way better performance)

Don't buy from Sony Ericsson.
I've been a big SE fanboy in the past and I still use several of my old SE phones but they've been releasing crap/crippled phones at an alarming rate recently.

I don't regret that i own an x1, but i bought it almost 2 years ago. Don't buy a X1. The X10 mini pro, or other Android phones, are also low priced, so there are no reasons to buy a x1 now. The X1 is out-of-the-box a bit slow and you have to do a lot of tweaking/flashing before it's pleasant to use.

I HAVE NO REGRET FOR GETTING MY X1 2 YEARS AGO!!
but for now, just go for android

If you can get it cheap, you like the freedom of Windows Mobile and you can deal with the disadvantages of Windows Mobile I recommend you buying the Xperia X1. It's still one of the best WM devices available (and it will be forever since WM isn't in development anymore). I love mine.
But if you want an operating system that is up to date and will be further developed you have to look somewhere else (Android, Iphone, WP 7).

Best WM device, not.
Nobody warned this guy about keyboard, screen display loss and cracking? Wow.

Ok, the X1 may be old but drsk said he didn't want to spend too much money. So people recommending an iphone or newer android devices will not help him because those are (more)expensive.
I think the X1 works quite well for its age. But i must say you have tweak it a lot to get it exactly to you likings but it is worth. I have a lot of friends with newer phones and I haven't often seen them do things the x1 can't. It only does it a little slower or has less eyecandy.

In fact there are still a lot of things you can do with an Xperia X1 that you cannot with Android and especially with the Iphone. And the best: You don't have to root, jailbreak or whatever to do whatever you please with your Xperia X1. So I stay with my recommendation. If you can get it for a good price don't hesitate.

Awassenaar said:
Ok, the X1 may be old but drsk said he didn't want to spend too much money. So people recommending an iphone or newer android devices will not help him because those are (more)expensive.
I think the X1 works quite well for its age. But i must say you have tweak it a lot to get it exactly to you likings but it is worth. I have a lot of friends with newer phones and I haven't often seen them do things the x1 can't. It only does it a little slower or has less eyecandy.
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I am very sure there are cheaper phones, WM, android or symbian that can do a job as well as X1.
The reason of your friends not doing things that X1 can't is because they are not power users like you. They probably spend much less time getting the phone up to speed. The time spent flashing, restoring etc can be spend elsewhere, such as actually having fun.
altae said:
In fact there are still a lot of things you can do with an Xperia X1 that you cannot with Android and especially with the Iphone. And the best: You don't have to root, jailbreak or whatever to do whatever you please with your Xperia X1. So I stay with my recommendation. If you can get it for a good price don't hesitate.
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A lot of things? Care to elaborate? I can't think of any. Jailbreaking and rooting is very easy and much more quicker than installing those tweaks just to have the X1 behave like it should. If someone is willing to mess with WM, I am sure he/she can equally have fun with Android and iPhone. Jailbreaking is a breeze compared to HardSPL-ing.
Anyway, I am surprised that X1 is still worth money in threadstarter's country. It is basically worthless over here. Also, who would he go for warranty if he is hit by the various hardware defects with the X1? SE will probably run out of replacement parts by now. And plus the repair fees probably gonna cost more money and time. Simply not worth it IMO. Just get a WM phone with a better track record.

superweijie said:
I am very sure there are cheaper phones, WM, android or symbian that can do a job as well as X1.
The reason of your friends not doing things that X1 can't is because they are not power users like you. They probably spend much less time getting the phone up to speed. The time spent flashing, restoring etc can be spend elsewhere, such as actually having fun.
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Ok, I get your point. But I just want to make this clear, the things you mention like flashing and stuff... I actually do those things for fun. It is not like I am sitting at home slaving over my phone while my friends are playing outside

Guys,
Thanks a lot for all the responses. I just started loving this forum. Am amazed with these responses even when I had not come here for sometime.
My criteria for a new phone was:
1. Should be < $450.
2. Should have good batt. backup.
3. Above average camera and audio (music) quality.
The reasons for not going for Android phones -
1. Good Android phones are expensive approx. $450+ which is not in my budget.
2. Most Android phones available today do not have Front Facing camera (except Galaxy S).
3G has just started entering the market and one of the main feature is video calling. Without FF camera, this feature will be useless. Now, I do know that I may (ok .. honestly "will") not use this feature in near future (say 6 months to a year). But, IF I desire to use that feature, then at that time I will have to buy a new phone just for this purpose. I normally do not change phones unless the current phone stops working or is too outdated. (My last phone Samsung D600 lasted 4 years before I lost it).
Also, Symbian phones had this peculiar feature of limiting the call history to 30 days! I just hated that limit. I can understand if they limit the number of history entries, but certainly NOT the time limit. Ofcourse, I could compromise on this if other criteria are met.
I had to leave out Samsung budget phones due to the reason that they give many features, but their quality is "middle of the road" (mainly camera and audio). The good ones were out of my budget.
After searching a lot I could narrow down to 2 choices SE Hazel (non-smartphone) and X1 (smartphone).
X1 attracted me based on the specifications - mainly the batt. backup which not many smart phones matched (atleast on paper - dunno the real life scenario) and is available in the range of $330.

it's your money...
seriously: don't get the x1. you'd have a lot of work before you to get it running. can't believe you missed all the threads about miserable build-quality (hw-keyboard, cracks, flex-cable). might i suggest htc's touch pro2? same hardware, has hw-keyboard, but you get official winmo 6.5 and an up-to-date system (htc sense, drivers), last firmware-update was about 4 months ago (x1: march 2009!). it has all you want (front-camera). only drawback is that it needs an adapter for headphones - believe me, it's worth it. price is $299,99 on amazon.com, so well inside your range.
edit:
while the x1-battery looks good on paper, it loses capacity rather quicky. and most custom-roms for x1 are high on consumption anyway (yes, you'll flash custom-roms. no, you won't be satisfied with stock-rom).

I do not regret buying my X1 but there are lots of other phones available now that far surpass X1 in computing power and features.

Superb value for money

I just have to write that I came across this phone last week end. I was looking to purchase the Sony Xperia S for a family member, I have just purchased myself the Sony Xperia Z and truly like the phone. Could not get the Sony S but while browsing in the store I noticed the LG. I read the specs and thought the price must have been a mistake. I purchased it on the spot and can only write I am amazed at this best kept secret!
Its simply incredible value for money. Same CPU power as my Sony and the screen is amazing.
How on earth has this mobile not been better advertised? Quad core and all the extras for half the price of my Samsung Galaxy S3 and the Galaxy Note! Quality wise to my eye they are one and the same though the Sony Z knocks them all for six in this respect BUT so it should its an expensive mobile.
I have read some of the usual gripes here regarding this phone and some are fair comment while others are the usual silly remarks. I ponder what some of the whiners would recommend at this price range? I am a regular techno junkie and accidently found this LG and am amazed by it.
Well done LG, maybe LG should do an awful lot more marketing?

Thank god there are people who think the same, rather than complain all day.
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Ryland Johnson said:
I just have to write that I came across this phone last week end. I was looking to purchase the Sony Xperia S for a family member, I have just purchased myself the Sony Xperia Z and truly like the phone. Could not get the Sony S but while browsing in the store I noticed the LG. I read the specs and thought the price must have been a mistake. I purchased it on the spot and can only write I am amazed at this best kept secret!
Its simply incredible value for money. Same CPU power as my Sony and the screen is amazing.
How on earth has this mobile not been better advertised? Quad core and all the extras for half the price of my Samsung Galaxy S3 and the Galaxy Note! Quality wise to my eye they are one and the same though the Sony Z knocks them all for six in this respect BUT so it should its an expensive mobile.
I have read some of the usual gripes here regarding this phone and some are fair comment while others are the usual silly remarks. I ponder what some of the whiners would recommend at this price range? I am a regular techno junkie and accidently found this LG and am amazed by it.
Well done LG, maybe LG should do an awful lot more marketing?
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I'm guessing they don't do more marketing because, when the phone was their flagship, pricing wasn't as attractive as now. Now that it's this attractive, they have their Optimus G out and their G Pro on the way, so this one is too low on the list for any marketing investment from LG.
On the other hand, the stores that sell them for these extremely competitive prices should do a bit more marketing about this one
BTW, where did you get it and for how much?

Love this phone, sure s3 has regular updates and better support from gameloft, but its £27 vs £18 a month on the cheapest site I found
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I suppose people actually describing what their problems are, in detail, would be helpful.
And I don't see why we should try to help LG market their own products. (Even if I know how these companies tend to work - "Aah, we have 50 complaints about the 4x and the tegra3 from people on the internet, but our Snapdragon product for a limited market with a contract that you need to be braindead to sign up for gets loads of praise! Cancel the tegra stuff now, because l33tr000tclock thinks tegra3 lags!!1elevenseses!").
But yeah, the OP is right. Definitely very good value for the money. The best value for the money, even. Still surprised by how thick and plastic the competing phones are, for example.. Or the praise for the Sony screens - love that one. "It's a bravia screen, so it's good and expensive".. no, it's a backlit led/superled2 screen made in China, like all the rest. Which Sony deemed was sufficient for production units.
And manufacturers make a lot of bad choices like that from a consumer perspective. LG has made several "business-choices" like that earlier as well. So no complaining isn't really going to help, to put it like that. People who make informed purchases tend to be happier customers, after all.
Still - yes, you'd think LG would advertise this phone a bit better, if they knew what was good for them, right? That they'd say: look, here's an expensive screen we made, that has the touch matrix integrated in the screen layer, fantastic colours, very stable, no backlight bleeding in the picture, etc. This is the forerunner to what we imagine will be even slimmer and lighter phones in the future - perhaps one day we can integrate the circuits into the transparent layers? (<-note: actually technically possible). And the tegra3 array is the best performing kit, that also has the best battery life during load. Enjoy! Also, custom bootloader and open source! Wohoo!
You know, you'd think they would do that. But inside the industry HQs, the arguments go like this: "We need a more streamlined and cheaper design that uses the same components as everyone else, that maintains the market, so we can use the razor blade model infinitely, and get people to buy the same €400 phone year after year! So don't go making a phone that actually has the latest tech if you don't need to, for crying out loud, what are you trying to do, bankrupt us!?".
So when aberrations like the 4x turns up, that actually is a good phone (sadly, doesn't use lithium polymer battery, and didn't ditch the thick antenna module and so on - could have saved a few mm there. But outside of that, all contact points, mainboard solder, frame, construction is high above par), it won't be thought of as a product that the company should sell to earn money. It's thought of as a product that might impress enthusiasts, but which will be unsuited for sales in the general market. Even if that actually proves to not be true, and the price ends up in a very comfortable area.
Basically, you have the phone now costing less than a two-three year old htc. Loads and loads of dual-core phones that also cost more, that don't have expansion slots or a battery slot. So what will very likely be argued is that the 4x is essentially cannibalizing the market downwards. Even if the support LG has come up with for the phone, with the upcoming jellybean and open loader (for dual linux/alternate/android boots?) is very promising.
But trust me on this one - even if the entire gawker site started to cover the 4x and the linux spins, in the way they seem to want to have sex with their iphones, that still wouldn't be sufficient to change the thinking about how an "enthusiast device" can't be sold to the general consumer market, without cutting the legs off it.
Obviously that's not true - when android and alt. loaders, extra equipment, installing apps, etc., is as easy as it is -- then any reasonable person will see that we don't really have enthusiast devices any more, in any sense. Instead they average user-devices just become easier/possible to use. But that thinking persists anyway. And honestly I don't think we or "media" sites really can do much to change that.
Because when your strategy folks pull in people to test devices, they don't know anything about the hardware or the construction, right? They won't compare and say "this iron edge on the bottom of the phone is inconvenient! Get rid of it!". Instead they say: "I like this iron edge a bit better than the other one!"..

Xenogenics said:
Thank god there are people who think the same, rather than complain all day.
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I know right!

skryptus said:
I'm guessing they don't do more marketing because, when the phone was their flagship, pricing wasn't as attractive as now. Now that it's this attractive, they have their Optimus G out and their G Pro on the way, so this one is too low on the list for any marketing investment from LG.
On the other hand, the stores that sell them for these extremely competitive prices should do a bit more marketing about this one
BTW, where did you get it and for how much?
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not sure where you live but here in the netherlands it ALWAYS has bin way cheaper then the htc one x and was and still is the best bang for the bucks.

Coming From Arc S, Is T A Decent Upgrade?

I guess thread title says it all...
In next few days I'm about to sell my dear Arc S, and I'm undecided between three phones:
Ion, T and V, with T being the most probable option.
Now, this might sound as a newbie question, which I'm not, but I would appreciate as many opinions as I can get.
Regarding choices, I'm in love with Ion's build quality, but on the other hand T and V are more recent phones, and therefore will probably have a bit longer life regarding updates. I love Xperia T design much more than V, but on the other side, removable battery and water resistance, heh...
This is really a tough call.
(Xperia SP was also a choice, but I will rather buy older flagship device than newer mid-ranger).
So, any word will be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

I'm from Arc S to TX. After i just bought my TX I feel Wow! don't need to suffer for internal memory and I still remember everytime I jump out from apps to homescreen, it takes time to load the icon and content. Mmm.. So far I'm satisfied with my TX. Nowadays 1GB of ram consider just enough for average user like me so couldn't expect that much on your Xperia T too.

you coming from arc s? so i guess you like the arc design? you want a good relation smartphonesize-displaysize? and a low prize phone (how much in sarajevo? Germany around 270euro) ?
you like flashing custom roms, you like play around? check the forum sections
maybe then go with xperia T (CM Support, PAC Support, some other Port Roms, Miui v5, some stock based Roms, many Mods)
how save is the V waterproof feature? is it necessary to have that?
thats some questions i would ask myself if i want buy a new phone. (by the way theres a guessing around the net XT can maybe get 4.3 directly, skippin 4.2.2, but not 100%sure)
by the way i not have that icon loading problem joonlin write about. it would be a decent update
a little subjective end note from myself:
you want handgasms? then take the T
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I love arc(h) design, that's the main reason I bought Arc S in the first place.
Yes, I care a lot about display size (and bezel size corelation), as I don't want a chocolade in my hands.
The price is basically the same then. It's about 520-540KM in sarajevo, which is about 270 Euros.
Of course the V's water-proof is not a killer feature to me, but removable battery is. Maybe I'm a bit paranoid, I don't know.
Like I said, Xperia T is the most probable option, and I already even ordered Nillkin case for it, from eBay.
I will report in next few days what I have bought. If I decide to go with T, then white one would be my preference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BtXZiVLtWc
maybe video like this help with the paranoid thoughts?
in worst case scenario you can change or let change the battery, also its possible to change backcover (there some shops in internet who sell custom backcovers)
heres a video with ion/T comparison (german, but you can see it in hands then )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_yJnAP9DEk

I'm not afraid of disassembling the phone. I disassembled probably every piece of electronics/phones I ever had.
I just thought it's a bit easier to deal with all kinds of bricking and freezings of phone, when you have a removable battery, but I guess thats's part of paranoia too.
I guess it's clear then. T it's gonna be, 99%.
And one more thing to ask. Some reviews are mentioning that flap covering microSD and microSIM is a bit messy.
Like, once you open it, you never really get to close it ideally again. I guess this is not entirely true?
Aso, based on video comparison above, Ion seems to have a bit brighter display, with better viewing angles. But ok, this is not a dealbraker to me.

I upgraded to the T from the arc (not s). Arc was a awesome phone, with a fast and fluid ui (on gb) and a great camera. Ive used the arc for almost 2 years and i've had my T for 5 months now.
The T is a worthy upgrade, the phone is faster, i like the jellybean firmware and the screen is a big upgrade from arc. Also the 1gb ram is a big relieve since my arc would always run low on ram. The batterylife is also quite a lot better.
When i first got the T i thought it was pretty thick but thats actually kind of nice. The T feels more stable in your hand because of its thickness and rubber back. The arc felt a little fragile (which it wasn't, i must have dropped that phone like a million times and its still alive)
The only thing which is not an upgrade in my opinion is the camera. It's a good camera but the arc camera was simply amazing.
I didnt go for the latest flagship because it was to expensive. My friends have the htc one, xperia z and lumia 920 and this phone doesnt feel outdated compared to those phones. I also think sony has the best looking no nonsense smartphone software.
So yes, upgrade to T
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spromper said:
I upgraded to the T from the arc (not s). Arc was a awesome phone... The T is a worthy upgrade, the phone is faster, i like the jellybean firmware and the screen is a big upgrade from arc... The T feels more stable in your hand because of its thickness and rubber back. The arc felt a little fragile... The arc camera was simply amazing.
I didnt go for the latest flagship because it was to expensive... I also think sony has the best looking no nonsense smartphone software.
So yes, upgrade to T...
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This is basically the sum up of my current thoughts too.
Yes, Arc S was an amazing, and beautiful phone before anything else. And yes, it's having a great camera. And yes, it feels fragile, but it's not actually. Back cover is lame quality though.
And yes, the T (and Ion) feels heavier but it's a good thing. And I love T's design also, more than Ion's or V's.
And the same thing, I don't have enough money for Z or ZR now, and if I happen to have, I would question myself about buying Z. It's too big and too slippery, and too fingerprintable for my taste.

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This is basically the sum up of my current thoughts too.
Yes, Arc S was an amazing, and beautiful phone before anything else. And yes, it's having a great camera. And yes, it feels fragile, but it's not actually. Back cover is lame quality though.
And yes, the T (and Ion) feels heavier but it's a good thing. And I love T's design also, more than Ion's or V's.
And the same thing, I don't have enough money for Z or ZR now, and if I happen to have, I would question myself about buying Z. It's too big and too slippery, and too fingerprintable for my taste.
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Z is pretty awesome, my friend is really liking the waterproof feature. but its pretty big indeed and my friends Z just broke(probably his own fault, he was throwing his phone around while he was drunk). But ive dropped my T quite a few times and i barely have a scratch. If i had to choose again i would take T again with no doubt. Ive seen a lot of people crying about sony and the jb firmwares on this forum but i dont share their opinion at all. Samsung and htc also aren't that good with upgrades. Samsungs arc comparable phone(galaxy s plus) didnt get a ics upgrade, my gf has the plus and shes stuck with some crappy unstable touchwiz firmware.
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Ive seen a lot of people crying about sony and the jb firmwares on this forum but i dont share their opinion at all. Samsung and htc also aren't that good with upgrades.
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Heh, as 2011 Xperia flagship user, I'm quite familiar with all kind of whinings, cries, swears to never buy Sony again, etc...
To be honest, I was never obsessed with updates. My priorities were fast, functional, and bug-free firmware, so I spent most of my time with Xperia Arc S using stock GingerBread firmware (rooted and debloated).
But it should be said that ICS update for 2011 Xperia line was quite horrible. Creepy slow and full of bugs.
Now, what I don't get from your post is, why are people still crying about JB here? Isn't Xperia T already provided with JB update?
I didn't have time to read these forums throughly, so I don't know what is the feedback about JB yet, but shouldn't it be better than ICS in every way?

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Heh, as 2011 Xperia flagship user, I'm quite familiar with all kind of whinings, cries, swears to never buy Sony again, etc...
To be honest, I was never obsessed with updates. My priorities were fast, functional, and bug-free firmware, so I spent most of my time with Xperia Arc S using stock GingerBread firmware (rooted and debloated).
But it should be said that ICS update for 2011 Xperia line was quite horrible. Creepy slow and full of bugs.
Now, what I don't get from your post is, why are people still crying about JB here? Isn't Xperia T already provided with JB update?
I didn't have time to read these forums throughly, so I don't know what is the feedback about JB yet, but shouldn't it be better than ICS in every way?
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For me everything works great except auto brightness. So for me it is in every way better than ics. But people are whining about batterydrains, slow phones, gaming performance. I havent had any of these problems but i do have to say that i dont use a lot of heavy apps. Mainly whatsapp, chrome, dropbox, 9gag and facebook.
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i upgraded from ARC S to XPERIA TX , and am feeling satisfied , TX has the arc design , it has bigger screen than xperia V , check this comparison from the GSM arena website
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4959&idPhone2=4958

I bought it! :victory:
About hour ago I bought my new beastie boy...
My first impressions are... WOW, just WOW!
Display is huge huge improvement over Arc S, in terms of everything. Colors are amazing, as well as sharpness. UI is beautiful too, probably the best Android skin among all big players, at least for me. Also, build quality seems amazing, and it feels rock solid in hands.
Also, JB came out of the box, version 9.1.A.0.489, and also it already popped me with mesage that new update is available, 9.1.A.1.141.
I guess I should update it, it's only 20-something MBs?

since I'am too considering to switch to one of these xperias i'm in doubt whether T is better than V. V's got a 4G support and is kind of weatherproof. it's also got newer chipset and isn't that alone enough for V to work faster that T? though usb otg is not listed among features this chipset natively supports it and I see no reason for it to be not enabled at least in a custom rom. another thing, the price of SP these days is closing down to that of V or T and it might be even better deal to go for with some 50-60 KM's (~$40) of difference between these models. I was considering even Z but decided to put it on hold until that issue with back glass "ungluing" has been resolved. I do not know how serious that is and do not want to become a victim of a pore design and lack of engineering common sense. i like all three models though, and it seems to be a tough choice what to go for.

As phone design plays a huge role in my decisions when purchasing a new phone, this time Xperia T won for obvious reasons (well, at least to me).
I never liked Xperia V design, not on pictures, and not in real when I compare it with T (or with Ion for that matter).
Yes, Xperia SP is having very close price range, to those of T and V, but still it's a mid-ranger, and somehow I would always choose older flagship over newer mid-ranger, with the same/similar price. But it's just me...

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As phone design plays a huge role in my decisions when purchasing a new phone, this time Xperia T won for obvious reasons (well, at least to me).
I never liked Xperia V design, not on pictures, and not in real when I compare it with T (or with Ion for that matter).
Yes, Xperia SP is having very close price range, to those of T and V, but still it's a mid-ranger, and somehow I would always choose older flagship over newer mid-ranger, with the same/similar price. But it's just me...
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I came from the Arc and got the T, my missus just took delivery of the SP last week. I can catagorically say that the T is a most excellent upgrade to the Arc, but I like the additional items and functionality like the LED bar, slightly sleeker shape of the SP and faster processor. I'd go for the SP in hindsight but would definitely not be disappointed with the T.

Regarding pure aesthetics, I definitely don't regret buying a T and not an SP. Yes, I too like illumination bar of SP, and marginally better hardware specs (what is there to not like about that), but all in all, I think Xperia T is an amazing package, with very affordable price (maybe even underrated compared to some other OEMs devices), and generally an device with much more character to it, than Xperia SP. Like I said, design is beautiful, elegant with some nice accents, and probably the whole world is recognising it as a "Bond phone". While SP is bound to be a mid-ranger for the time being, and will never gain any significant attention probably.
And yeah, T feels rock-solid regarding build quality, something that my last phone, Arc S, was lacking badly (while still being an beautiful device).
Simply, I love my new phone, after merely two days of usage...

Dude, you sound like you're convincing yourself that you made a right choice. Praising a generaly older piece of hardware and crithisizing a new one, just because of your personal affection is not correct. I considered T as well, but opted for SP simply because is a new generation hardware. And even that is to become obsolete quite soon. There are some advantages of T, i agree it's got better camera and more storage, but anyone who want anything resembling a quality photo would go for a real point and shot or even a real dslr device, and storage can be expanded. I already put in a 32gb sdhc clas 10, fast memory with sufficient storage. And design of sp might not be striking, but sure is elegant and atractive. There are those like I am who do not want their phone to look like bannana. No offence ment. It' just personal taste. The rest of the the hardware inside SP is near flagship phones of not just sony, but of sumsung and htc as well. Go and check several tests and reviews, they can't all be wrong. So enjoy your phone but be realistic. While it is a mid-ranger, SP is a device with a lot of potential and if it had 2gb of ram it would be a absolut winner. Still, it has plenty to offer to any kind of user, even the heavy ones, and because being newer generation device it will enjoy longer support, so it was a logical chice for me. While the looks is somewhat conservative it is longlasting, plus i'm not going to take it to bad with me, at least not to make love to it. I'm going to root it and make it do it's job. It is supposed so serve my needs, connectionwise speaking, and it is supposed to do that for some time and i will need that support that SP will have. So good luck andhave a good time
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And yeah, i'm not getting a hard-on watching bond movies.

skojevac said:
Dude, you sound like you're convincing yourself that you made a right choice. Praising a generaly older piece of hardware and crithisizing a new one, just because of your personal affection is not correct.
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And your reply sounded like...? You made my post very laid back and relaxed alike, with this kind of even more biased reply.
I'm not trying to convince anybody anything. I'm simply telling why I made the choice I made. I could have easily gone with your choice if I wanted to, but I didn't wanted (not couldn't).
And yeah, I'm not "getting hard on" watching Bond movies as well, I even don't like them.
I'm just telling that Bond colored marketing campaign helped this phone being desirable and recognisable piece of hardware, a bit more than an "usual" phone, and that's it.
Take it easy friend... SP is great device as well, I might even suggest it to my friend tonight (who's migrating from iPhone soon).

Thats all subjective reasons to choose a phone, of both of you two. its some sort of personal taste. for me mr_torture taste matches also my personal taste.
I believe noone can choose a phone just from objective point of view. because we humans and not robots
And just because a phone is generaly older piece of hardware, means nothing skojevac. Just wanne say :highfive:
If i would buy a phone with your arguments, then i also would not choose the SP, i wouldnt choose any phone with 1GB Ram.:good:
love the banana
the older, the sweeter ahahahaha

Get the Z3c or wait for the next version (Z5c)?

Hello all,
I'm not very technical, but wanted some advice on my next phone purchase.
Currently have the S6 and hate it. Terrible battery life and miss front facing speakers from my HTC M7. I also want a smaller phone and water resistance is great if I can use my phone in the shower! So... decided on getting the compact.
From my research it sounds like the Z3c successor may not be too far away, but will probably sport a qualcomm 810 chip which I heard overheats and lose magnetic charging (I much prefer this to wireless charging). But a better screen, fingerprint scanner and newer design appeal to me too which I'm sure the Z5c will have.
Can you help me decide whether I should wait or just grab the Z3c now?
Thanks,
Jesus Eats Uranium

hi jesus. one thing to point out, some folk have been having issues with the magentic charger in that its been pulled out of its socket. sony were not repairing them under warranty either. I believe that this was mainly happening to folk with third party super strong mangetic chargers, but I personally wont even risk using the sony one as I do not trust the design. it it breaks you lose waterproofing or have to pay a decent chunk for repair.
as for the rest, well its its hypothetical but a bird in the hand and all that. plus price might be a factor. the z3c is without doubt the best phone I have ever used. as someone who values battery uber alles, its been a joy. plus with a very decent 5.1.1 update just out, there isnt much to not like.

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hi jesus. one thing to point out, some folk have been having issues with the magentic charger in that its been pulled out of its socket. sony were not repairing them under warranty either. I believe that this was mainly happening to folk with third party super strong mangetic chargers, but I personally wont even risk using the sony one as I do not trust the design. it it breaks you lose waterproofing or have to pay a decent chunk for repair.
as for the rest, well its its hypothetical but a bird in the hand and all that. plus price might be a factor. the z3c is without doubt the best phone I have ever used. as someone who values battery uber alles, its been a joy. plus with a very decent 5.1.1 update just out, there isnt much to not like.
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Can you explain the bird thing?

a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. something good now is better than the promise of something better later. you know what your dealing with etc.

DrEzkimo said:
hi jesus. one thing to point out, some folk have been having issues with the magentic charger in that its been pulled out of its socket. sony were not repairing them under warranty either. I believe that this was mainly happening to folk with third party super strong mangetic chargers, but I personally wont even risk using the sony one as I do not trust the design. it it breaks you lose waterproofing or have to pay a decent chunk for repair.
as for the rest, well its its hypothetical but a bird in the hand and all that. plus price might be a factor. the z3c is without doubt the best phone I have ever used. as someone who values battery uber alles, its been a joy. plus with a very decent 5.1.1 update just out, there isnt much to not like.
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Heya, good points.
On the magnetic charger point -- I've been using Sony's Magnetic charging cable regularly (it's the only way I charge phone) for last ~7 months, no issues so far. Phone make is from Nov '14. So the issue you mentioned must be from early batches or I just got lucky!

Never mind....

PuffDaddy_d said:
At this point in the life-cycle of the Z3C, you're better off waiting for the successor to be released BEFORE making your decision. If you get the phone now, you'll be purchasing a phone that is nearly 2 years old, which is considered outdated in the mobile technology world. Do you realistically see yourself continuing to use a 2 year old device for 2 more years while watching all the new devices being released around you? If the Z5C doesn't have the features you want or the price is simply too high, then you should get a Z3C on the cheap and call it good.
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Two years old? It was released in September 2014 >.>
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I'd say get a Z3 Compact and enjoy installing a pre-rooted 5.1.1 on it and immediately have the best, most-compact phone out there, running the most up to date Android. The phone, while less than a year old, is no slouch and still beats newer phones that have come out this year. It's battery life is fantastic and I don't think you'd regret it, especially if you can get one for a decent price. As they renamed the Z4 to be Z3+ in the US with no new compact model, it's not certain when the next compact model will come out, but I think that implies Sony is leaning on the Z3c for a while still.

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Two years old? It was released in September 2014 >.>
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Ha - oops. I got WAY ahead of myself here. Good catch.

bofis said:
I'd say get a Z3 Compact and enjoy installing a pre-rooted 5.1.1 on it and immediately have the best, most-compact phone out there, running the most up to date Android. The phone, while less than a year old, is no slouch and still beats newer phones that have come out this year. It's battery life is fantastic and I don't think you'd regret it, especially if you can get one for a decent price. As they renamed the Z4 to be Z3+ in the US with no new compact model, it's not certain when the next compact model will come out, but I think that implies Sony is leaning on the Z3c for a while still.
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Hi, your comment about installing a pre/rooted 5.1.1? Will that allow me to bypass the Exchange PIN that is required and does the root impact the camera quality which I heard as well? Thanks for help
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Two years old? It was released in September 2014 >.>
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Hi, your comment about installing a pre/rooted 5.1.1? Will that allow me to bypass the Exchange PIN that is required and does the root impact the camera quality which I heard as well? Thanks for help
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There is now a method for rooting that will not require you to unlock your boot loader, which is what causes the camera quality to crap out. So no worries. Check the sticky in the general forum.
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HTC 10 vs. Xperia XP/XZ - Headphone Sound Quality

Has anyone reading this ever compared the HTC 10 to either the Sony Xperia X Performance (XP) or the newer Xperia XZ with regards to headphone quality? (Note: The XP & XZ use the SAME audio technology from what I've read/heard).
If so, please tell me about your experience here. Please provide as many details as possible............like what headphones did you use, what genre of music and type of quality (mp3, CD-Quality, Hi-Res, DSD, etc) was selected. Did you use an amp/DAC device in between them (I'm hoping not only b/c that wouldn't tell me which phone was better lol)? When comparing, which one sounded clearer? Had the wider/more expansive soundstage? Handled instrument separation the best? Won out on bass, mids, and highs/treble rendering?? Etc.
I know the 10 will get louder than the XP/XZ b/c of what I've seen in comparisons done by professional reviewers, with the 10 showing to have a higher output voltage. But volume is just ONE component.
I look forward to hearing from you all!

Have not tried the HTC but I use Devon audiophile headphones and sennheiser in ears... Which are the ones in the high end.
The sound is good compared to my old z3 and Samsung s5.
Clean and well balanced sound with nice punch
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HellRoot said:
Have not tried the HTC but I use Devon audiophile headphones and sennheiser in ears... Which are the ones in the high end.
The sound is good compared to my old z3 and Samsung s5.
Clean and well balanced sound with nice punch
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Hey Hell,
Wait, which phone are you talking about? You said sound is good compared to Z3 and S5. Sound of what? lol
I really just want people to tell me if they've compared the 2 together, or at least within the same month or so. It seems like HTC 10's audio may be the better of two, but not sure. The 10 seems to get more praise on headphone audio than the XP or XZ do, but I'd like "regular people's" opinions too.

RockStar2005 said:
Hey Hell,
Wait, which phone are you talking about? You said sound is good compared to Z3 and S5. Sound of what? lol
I really just want people to tell me if they've compared the 2 together, or at least within the same month or so. It seems like HTC 10's audio may be the better of two, but not sure. The 10 seems to get more praise on headphone audio than the XP or XZ do, but I'd like "regular people's" opinions too.
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Hey RockStar
I have the xp and the sound quality is fine. I don't know whether the HTC can play dsd but the xp does it very well.
I just made a comparison from which phones I have tried, as I dont have the HTC ?
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Hey RockStar
I have the xp and the sound quality is fine. I don't know whether the HTC can play dsd but the xp does it very well.
I just made a comparison from which phones I have tried, as I dont have the HTC
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Hey HellRoot,
I have it too and agree, though I really haven't tested it on headphones just on car speakers. On headphones I use a premium & portable in-between amp/DAC device. The Z3 has very good sound but I would say it was at the $200 level vs. amp/DAC or players at that price. When I went up to $300 with the Sony Walkman A17, I felt it was superior to the Z3's sound. So now I don't use the phone anymore on headphones, but these newer phones by LG like the V10 and V20 and also the HTC 10 are getting a high level of praise for their headphone sound quality that I've not seen given to Sony's Xperia phones ever. It just makes me wonder. I'm pretty sure the HTC 10 could match my Oppo device (see link) based on what I've read about it on here. One guy even said he liked it more than the might LG V10's sound overall, and that uses the same DAC as my HA-2 (that link is for HA-2SE, which is slighly newer, but looks the same). Of course, it's not JUST about the DAC, but still. lol
Also, the battery life on the new X series Xperia phones no longer can offer a 2-day battery life, which was standard in the past. IMHO, the 2-day battery life DIED with the Z series. Even on the Sony Mobile site the 2-day battery life selling point has mysteriously vanished from the site on those new phones like our XP. My XP can BARELY make it through one day if I start early enough, and that's WITH Stamina Mode being activated. I'm happy that the camera's improved though, but the cutbacks in battery life & audio quality (having a dedicated DAC with questionable quality and an integrated amp vs. HTC 10's dedicated DAC AND dedicated headphone amp ((dedicated is always better than integrated))) makes me question my purchase a bit. There are still pros to the XP vs. 10, like camera and waterproofing, but HTC has caught up A LOT with the 10 and so I wonder if the 11 will finally make them kings again?
It's the little things too. HTC took the time and cared enough about their customers to get VoLTE (including HD Voice) and Wi-Fi Calling certified with T-Mobile, who is my carrier, on their unlocked phones. Did Sony Mobile bother to do that? Hell no! lol
Battery life is a big deal to me, so where 2 years ago I chose the Z3 over my former One M8, I wonder if in 2017 I may very well go back to HTC? We will see. lol If HTC takes their front fingerprint sensor and integrates it INTO the side Power button the way Sony did, and brings their bottom stereo speaker back to the bottom front where it belongs, that choice will be even MORE difficult to make.

Howdy.
I have the XP and the M9 and I miss the volume of the M9 compared to the XP. I mainly listen to music from my phone when I'm in the car, streaming from [email protected] On the M9 I usually had the volume on the stereo set to 30-35 for LOUD, but on the XP, I'm up to 40 to get the basic kick. I can still hear myself talk and that tells me that the volume is too low.
I'm seriously thinking of getting the HTC 10 as there are numerous issues with my XP, as can be seen on different threads here on XDA and on the Sony forums as well. I'm not happy with this phone and I miss HTC
Cheers.
kekePower

kekePower_ said:
Howdy.
I have the XP and the M9 and I miss the volume of the M9 compared to the XP. I mainly listen to music from my phone when I'm in the car, streaming from [email protected] On the M9 I usually had the volume on the stereo set to 30-35 for LOUD, but on the XP, I'm up to 40 to get the basic kick. I can still hear myself talk and that tells me that the volume is too low.
I'm seriously thinking of getting the HTC 10 as there are numerous issues with my XP, as can be seen on different threads here on XDA and on the Sony forums as well. I'm not happy with this phone and I miss HTC
Cheers.
kekePower
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Hi keke,
Thanks for posting your opinion. Even though your post was on the M9 and not the 10, I still agree that based on what I'd read, the HTC flagship phones have been and still do get louder than the Xperia phones can. For me it's a concern on headphones b/c I don't want it DEAFENINGLY loud, but loud enough when I need it. So I feel ya there.
Well even though it's off-topic, what are the issues you're having with the XP? Lemme know.
Perhaps then you should just get the HTC 10? It is currently on sale for $150 off if you buy it from the HTC.com site by Monday 8:59PM PST. 3 out of the 4 colors are available to buy now; the 4th being Topaz Gold, but since the Camellia Red was not in stock either until today, there's a chance they may get more before the sale ends. But if you wanted a different color, then there's nothing stopping you. (Note: Red and Gold are only available if you buy the unlocked version, which IS certified for VoLTE ((including HD Voice) and Wi-Fi Calling with T-Mobile, which is my carrier. I'd only get the unlocked one because it offers faster updates than the carrier ones will.) You can buy it and pay it off at checkout, or click on "PayPal Credit" in checkout to get 6 mos to pay it off interest-free (after quick credit check). Buying it from the site gets you that 1-year Uh-Oh Protection too. After that if you wanna keep it longer, look into private phone insurance like I got for my int'l XP through either Square Trade or the one I chose, Worth Ave. Group.

Hi
I've compared xp to x and z3 and really xp has the best source hardware I've ever heard from phone - I'm a little bit na audiophile and I have few mobile and home DAC/amp's. So the xp has almost identical sound characteristic compared to HEGEL SUPER (with in-ear headphones you cannot hear any differences)
-tested with hifiman songbird, sennheiser momentum iem, apple iem, and many other $100 pricetag iems
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RockStar2005 said:
Hi keke,
Thanks for posting your opinion. Even though your post was on the M9 and not the 10, I still agree that based on what I'd read, the HTC flagship phones have been and still do get louder than the Xperia phones can. For me it's a concern on headphones b/c I don't want it DEAFENINGLY loud, but loud enough when I need it. So I feel ya there.
Well even though it's off-topic, what are the issues you're having with the XP? Lemme know.
Perhaps then you should just get the HTC 10? It is currently on sale for $150 off if you buy it from the HTC.com site by Monday 8:59PM PST. 3 out of the 4 colors are available to buy now; the 4th being Topaz Gold, but since the Camellia Red was not in stock either until today, there's a chance they may get more before the sale ends. But if you wanted a different color, then there's nothing stopping you. (Note: Red and Gold are only available if you buy the unlocked version, which IS certified for VoLTE ((including HD Voice) and Wi-Fi Calling with T-Mobile, which is my carrier. I'd only get the unlocked one because it offers faster updates than the carrier ones will.) You can buy it and pay it off at checkout, or click on "PayPal Credit" in checkout to get 6 mos to pay it off interest-free (after quick credit check). Buying it from the site gets you that 1-year Uh-Oh Protection too. After that if you wanna keep it longer, look into private phone insurance like I got for my int'l XP through either Square Trade or the one I chose, Worth Ave. Group.
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hey dude
sorry for offtopic
but I'm so not happy with xp hardware and software :
horrible soft: strange bahavior of ear distance sensor, rotate sensor and some few other issues
hardware: vibration engine is very loud (when vibrate mode is on its so loud that it cannot be discrete) and ****ty back panel painting/cating - I'm carying mine xp in oryginal sony "invisible back cover" and when something get beside phone and cover - it makes white-ish marks
AND little dot/tints on display (not very big but they are there!!!)
I'm feel cheeted by sony paying full price in sony centre for xp when they lounching 3 months later XZ model cheeper with on-ear headphones
shame for sony - I had all flagships since xperia S and I'm so so close to leave sony!!!

espe0 said:
Hi
I've compared xp to x and z3 and really xp has the best source hardware I've ever heard from phone - I'm a little bit na audiophile and I have few mobile and home DAC/amp's. So the xp has almost identical sound characteristic compared to HEGEL SUPER (with in-ear headphones you cannot hear any differences)
-tested with hifiman songbird, sennheiser momentum iem, apple iem, and many other $100 pricetag iems
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hey dude
sorry for offtopic
but I'm so not happy with xp hardware and software :
horrible soft: strange bahavior of ear distance sensor, rotate sensor and some few other issues
hardware: vibration engine is very loud (when vibrate mode is on its so loud that it cannot be discrete) and ****ty back panel painting/cating - I'm carying mine xp in oryginal sony "invisible back cover" and when something get beside phone and cover - it makes white-ish marks
AND little dot/tints on display (not very big but they are there!!!)
I'm feel cheeted by sony paying full price in sony centre for xp when they lounching 3 months later XZ model cheeper with on-ear headphones
shame for sony - I had all flagships since xperia S and I'm so so close to leave sony!!!
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I very much agree on this.
The xz was a better buy, they did not behave like gentlemen with this phone
The tiny dots..they are in all pixels? As I have that... But no other have confirmed this...
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hi espe,
Thank you for your post!
I see. Yes I myself use the Oppo HA-2 as my mobile amp/DAC currently, and love what it does to the sound. I'm hoping to one day just have a phone like the HTC 10 or LG V10 (or V20, which my cousin just got and said sounds AMAZING vs. his former Note 7) where I won't NEED an amp/DAC anymore. I think your take on the XP/X/Z3 comparison is a good one. I myself feel like Sony, in comparison with their competition, have slipped back a notch or two compared to where they were 2 years ago. 2 years ago, the HTC One M8 (which I used to have right before I got my old Z3) was great sounding, but I don't know if it had the sheer weight & power vs. the competition at the time as HTC does now with the 10 over the competition of today. 2 years ago, LG's phones' audio quality was considered a big joke, even worse than Samsung's according to some credible people. Then last year they came out with the V10 and just now V20, and they both are considered OUTSTANDING! So I think that even though the XP may sound better than the Z3 (I honestly do believe you on that front), they still aren't "on top" anymore like they were 2 years ago.
I remember I'd bought the $200 iBasso DX50 and compared it to my Z3 at the time. Amazingly, I could hear no difference in sound quality. That was kind of a shock to me, but an impressive one in Sony's favor. I then returned the DX50 and bought the $300 Sony Walkman A17. It was only THEN that I could hear a difference in quality in favor of the Walkman. But wow, $300! I can't say 100% for sure, but I'm prob 98-99% sure that the V10, V20, and HTC 10 all sound as good as my Walkman did, if not better? 2 years ago I never read any reviews (or AS many) that had such a POSITIVE reaction to the sound quality of any smartphone like I do now for HTC & LG. Even the Z3 I don't remember creating such a buzz, and Sony was even at the time promoting "Hi-Res" very much so. Now maybe because they did that it just took time for most reviewers to notice, but that's a big "maybe". I think it's more likely based on what I've read about the 10's audio prowess and even V10 & V20's that simply put, the bar has been raised significantly, and not by Sony. I even created not one but two threads on the Hi-Fi site "Head-Fi.com" about this topic. Feel free to read and comment on them if you wish.
I tend to stay away from earphones myself as I am not convinced they can offer the same "big sound" that headphones can. I used to have a $30 pair of V-Moda earphones and thought I was cool. My, how times have changed since 2 years ago. lol After loving the incredible $150-$200 AKG K550 (over several other more expensive headphones) for a long time, I just recently switched to the slightly better/clearer/more portable $299 Bang & Olufsen 2nd Generation H6 headphones. If you're looking for headphones within the under $500 range, I could not suggest any better options than the K550/K550 MK II (same sound signature) or the 2nd Gen H6. They both wipe the FLOOR with even some popular $400 headphones.
Not sure on the first several issues you mentioned, aside from the auto-rotate issue I've been having since that last mini update. I read through 2 different threads on here about it, but there doesn't seem to be a fix yet. I'm HOPING that the Nougat update we're ALL about to get on our XPs literally any day now will include a fix for that. It is annoying b/c once it kicks in after a restart (normally within a day or less), you can't make any pics or videos fullscreen without a reboot, and it ALSO messes with Smart Call Handling too. But wait, you see dots/tints on the display? Sounds to me like you may have gotten a faulty phone. I already returned my first XP b/c it was overheating BIG time, and another issue too I think was occurring on it. My newer one works much better. I would suggest replacing it if you can. Display issues are very hard to ignore vs. other lesser issues, and I don't know if ANY update could even fix those.
I'm with you there too to a certain point espe. The XP took FOREVER to release (4 mos??!! who does that??). The XZ came out like LESS than a month after it was announced, and has a better (though still crappy IMO) battery life and an improved camera too vs. the XP (though XP's camera is still great overall). But both phones I saw were rated as having the worst battery life and the longest charging times of ALL the 2016 flagship phones. The XP is the worst, and the XZ is a pretty close second. I mean, I too feel cheated b/c Sony always made their "2 Day Battery Life" promise a major selling point, but it is crystal clear to me now that that promise died with the Z series. They don't even mention it on their Sony Mobile site for the X phones anymore like they did in the past. My XP can't even make it through a full day if I start early enough (6am). Even with Stamina Mode on and turning my phone off a few times for a little while, this one day by like 8pm that night I only had 5% left. THAT is some major BS. They need to stop making these batteries so d*mn small. I know people like thin, but people want great battery life even more. A phone is no fun if there's now juice left to keep it running. lol
I see. Yes you're DEF a loyal Sony fan. I have and/or had a ton of Sony products too, but the Z3 was the only other Sony phone I've ever had, and it was my favorite overall vs. the other phones of its time. The battery life was MUCH better too. But since the death of the 2 Day Battery Life promise, the step back in audio, and other issues.......being forced to buy the int'l XP just to get a functioning fingerprint sensor, the super long waits for the phones to be released (and just the inconsistency of all that), the lack of customer care..........I may seriously go back to HTC next year. If the 11 improves its camera over the 10 (Note: the 10 was the first HTC flagship to use a Sony camera sensor, after Sony bought out camera sensor business of the former seller to HTC.......Toshiba.....and the camera got better. Coincidence? I think not. lol), and hopefully they go back to Classic BoomSound (BOTH speakers on the front, where the f'ing belong! lol), and doesn't go "phablet" (big yuck! lol), I will prob leave Sony for good. HTC makes buying their phones easy, no weird long waits, audio is considered louder AND better than Sony's, fingerprint sensors are included ON U.S. versions (b/c they're not too cheap to pay whatever fees for them to be used in the U.S., unlike Sony Mobile), even their unlocked phones will still offer the VoLTE (including HD Voice) and Wi-Fi Calling certification that T-Mobile requires to use them (which again, Sony Mobile is TOO CHEAP to pay for), Uh-Oh Protection, etc (see my last post for more details). Sony Mobile should be sitting on their THRONE here in the U.S. like they do in other countries (or are at least MUCH stronger in those places), but instead, they are cowering away for NO good reason and letting Apple and Samsung continue to rule over us with phones that overall are very good, but still not as great as Sony's Xperia phones once were and still kinda are. They need to grow some BALLS, and fast! But will they? Doesn't look like it.

hey Rockstar2005
You mentioned wifi signal weakness - goddamn ****ty performance of it, and hell yeah it's worst ever wifi module they implemented in xperia phone ever. Does't reconnect propertly or does it occasionaly. We can just talking and sony won't do anything with it. Overall xperias always been 90% best in everything for sure (body, photo, audio, and performance) - balanced 90% perfection of everything - but wait a moment ...sony goes terrible way by loosing Z series - every aspects should be a step forward but something went wrong and we have pretty phone without even middle-end functionality. Even huawei makes in my country huge expansion by giving good phones and excellent service / customer care. And sony just pissing on us (buy our **** and leave us alone ...but but wait come back and buy this **** again) I'm confused for waiting 2 weeks for ****ty reputated service opinion. Last one I've sent xperua Z ultra three times until they replaced the motherboard for me. I can bet on it - they will sent me not touched phone with eventualy reloaded rom.
sorry for my english...

Espe,
That's fine. I was able to understand pretty much everything you said.
Well actually when I mentioned Wi-Fi I said "Wi-Fi Calling". I did not mention any issue with my Wi-Fi, as I'm (fortunately) not having any. Wi-Fi Calling is a feature from T-Mobile where you can make calls using your Wi-Fi signal, which may be stronger than your regular call reception is in whatever area you are in at the time. To have both that and VoLTE (Voice over LTE, which makes calls connect faster and offer stronger call quality and reception I believe) be active when using T-Mobile (which IS my carrier) here in the U.S., the phone maker has to get those certified (which costs money too) with T-Mobile. Sony was UNWILLING to do that, but HTC did do it, and to me, that shows they care more about U.S. customers than Sony Mobile does.
Yeah Sony DEF isn't as competitive as they were before, aside from camera, which is prob the only REAL strong point Sony still has.
That sux that they are giving you the "run around" on the Z Ultra. Maybe you should call and demand to speak to a supervisor or even higher than him/her?? I hope you get that issue resolved soon.