How much battery does your display use? - Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Dear Nexus One users!
I'm trying to gather some data for the following thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=753382
I have a feeling that HTC has tampered with the Desire's power usage statistics in order to make the AMOLED screen seem more efficient.
As far as I've heard (only asked two Nexus One owners so far), the Nexus's display usage is about on par with the Desire's vanilla ROMs, which leaves me to believe that the vanilla ROMs are accurate, and the HTC Sense ROMs are the ones with the problem.
I hope you can help me gather some stats
Thanks in advance!
-edit- Forgot to say: The statistics I'm talking about can be found in Settings=>About Phone=>Battery Use, and I'm interested in the statistics after a day of reasonable to heavy use (web browsing, messaging, phone calls etc.).

It's usually in the 61-80% range even with heavy use. I have to admit that I run the screen on full brightness all the time though, so that can skew the results a little.

Thanks for all the votes so far guys!
Looks like I was right

Getting some good data here... keep it up, thanks!

just thought i would add... (hopefully not too off topic) the HTC Desire (the new SLCD models), the Display only uses like <10%, seems they weren't lying about the battery saving part (this is based on what I've seen on my friend's Desire)
anyways my AMOLED Nexus one is in the 60-70% range and I'm usually in Automatic brightness mode

kwazi said:
just thought i would add... (hopefully not too off topic) the HTC Desire (the new SLCD models), the Display only uses like <10%, seems they weren't lying about the battery saving part (this is based on what I've seen on my friend's Desire)
anyways my AMOLED Nexus one is in the 60-70% range and I'm usually in Automatic brightness mode
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Don't allow yourself to be fooled - AMOLED Desires also often use less than 10% of the battery according to HTC ROMs... which is precisely why I think it's bull****.
Hell, the day before yesterday I kept my display on nearly the whole day, just to test the new power consumption stats (using OpenDesire, and as of 3.1.0 the power consumption statistics have been changed to give pretty much the same results as Sense ROMs) - result: about 10 hours of total battery life (from a full charge!), 6 of which had the display running. Now guess what the new Sense-style battery consumption measurements told me? Supposedly, even though my display had been on all day, it only used 13% of the total battery.
So don't worry - I don't think it's true that your phone uses so much more power - but rather, that HTC has somehow screwed up the power consumption statistics in their Sense ROMs, and the screen is using much more power than they're showing.
And you're not off topic at all. You're a perfect example for someone confused by the discrepancies in power usage statistics. They're not logical, and they're leading you to believe that your AMOLED diplay is using a lot more power than the new sLCD displays in Desires, as well as the AMOLED displays in the older Desires.

My display is always up around 80% of my total use. Everyday its like that. And that's the way it should be unless your device sleeps all day with no use.
When doing your comparison, you also need to post your display-on time, and your total time since unplugged. These are in the same place as your percentages. This way we know the ratio that The display was used and how long the device was unplugged. Otherwise I could post a number but without a reference point its meaningless. What if my screen never turned on once? That certainly skews the result.

RogerPodacter said:
My display is always up around 80% of my total use. Everyday its like that. And that's the way it should be unless your device sleeps all day with no use.
When doing your comparison, you also need to post your display-on time, and your total time since unplugged. These are in the same place as your percentages. This way we know the ratio that The display was used and how long the device was unplugged. Otherwise I could post a number but without a reference point its meaningless. What if my screen never turned on once? That certainly skews the result.
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Theoretically you're right of course. However, so far the discrepancies are so immense that I don't think that's even necessary. Leaving the display on 100% of the time on a Sense ROM doesn't even allow you to crack 20% battery used by the display... Using the display for an hour on the Nexus or an AOSP Desire ROM, gives you at least 40% battery used by the display at the end of the day. Unless someone really keeps their phone off the ENTIRE time, I don't think the clarification is even necessary...

Hello everyone!
Thanks for the useful data. After continued testing by myself and a few other interested people (namely th3, who provided the idea for disproval of HTC's Sense battery use statistics once and for all, and Andycted, who has been providing many useful statistics which helped us get a better idea of general power consumption on the Desire), I've entered the issue on the Android Issues tracker.
You can view the issue here, and feel free to comment and/or star the issue to show your support, as it concerns all Android users. The problem may only be present on HTC Sense, but how will you know if future devices are reporting battery usage correctly if the statistics are so easily tampered with?
Thank you again for your help, support, and very helpful and constructive criticism.

Mine is always between 45 and 55 %, nearly stock FRF91 and minimum brightness

Haha, a friend of mine that just got the SLCD Desire was claiming his screen wasn't burning through the power like my n1 seems to. I guess it's unfortunate that it isn't the case.

I'd wager the SLCD really does use a lot less power when displaying bright colors, especially like white web page backgrounds... but even if your buddy spends his whole day looking at bright web pages (nothing with dark backgrounds), the battery usage of his display should be at the most 10% lower than yours

bemymonkey said:
I'd wager the SLCD really does use a lot less power when displaying bright colors, especially like white web page backgrounds... but even if your buddy spends his whole day looking at bright web pages (nothing with dark backgrounds), the battery usage of his display should be at the most 10% lower than yours
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I totally read your post wrong, sorry.
We have figures for the approximate power drain of the AMOLED screen (155mA black, 485mA white) so where are the figures for the SLCD?

ChronoReverse said:
I totally read your post wrong, sorry.
We have figures for the approximate power drain of the AMOLED screen (155mA black, 485mA white) so where are the figures for the SLCD?
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Back a few years ago (th3 posted a PDF from a company that manufactures AMOLED screens), the figures were around 200-250mW for the LCD (on all screen colors), while an AMOLED of the same size drew 700-something mW on a white screen. Obviously older screens, and smaller in size, but should be comparable...
I'll see if I can dig it up again...

Here it is:
http://data.4dsystems.com.au/downloads/micro-OLED/Docs/4D_AMOLED_Presentation.pdf

we need to get some desire users with the SLCD screen to install the current power draw widget to their homescreen and give us some numbers. or just pull them from the dmesg log. at this point i have pretty good numbers for the nexus amoled screen, and like said above black typically around 140 mA and white 350 mA, but those both a lot of the time go much lower and higher, respectively.

RogerPodacter said:
we need to get some desire users with the SLCD screen to install the current power draw widget to their homescreen and give us some numbers. or just pull them from the dmesg log. at this point i have pretty good numbers for the nexus amoled screen, and like said above black typically around 140 mA and white 350 mA, but those both a lot of the time go much lower and higher, respectively.
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I'll see if I can get said friend to do that then lol.

ChronoReverse said:
I'll see if I can get said friend to do that then lol.
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Please! I'd love to see some exact figures too, if possible with all radios off and in idle. Measurements both on minimum and max brightness preferred

bemymonkey said:
Dear Nexus One users!
I'm trying to gather some data for the following thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=753382
I have a feeling that HTC has tampered with the Desire's power usage statistics in order to make the AMOLED screen seem more efficient.
As far as I've heard (only asked two Nexus One owners so far), the Nexus's display usage is about on par with the Desire's vanilla ROMs, which leaves me to believe that the vanilla ROMs are accurate, and the HTC Sense ROMs are the ones with the problem.
I hope you can help me gather some stats
Thanks in advance!
-edit- Forgot to say: The statistics I'm talking about can be found in Settings=>About Phone=>Battery Use, and I'm interested in the statistics after a day of reasonable to heavy use (web browsing, messaging, phone calls etc.).
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Nah, it's just that Sense uses more battery, therefore the screen doesn't use as much in comparison

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Battery usage - typical Display values

Given that the display is widely regarded as one of the two biggest drawers of power/battery life on the N1 (the other being the radio/cell standby), and given that my battery usage breakdown *always* has Display at the top (by a large margin), I thought it might be interesting to see what other people's Display usage hovers around so we can build up a "operating range"...
(apologies if anyone has done this before, I did a few searches but nothing significant came up - please point me to previous posts if it has already been covered)
not exactly seeing an option for a Poll...would recommend setting one up before we get 100s of posts to comb through
bloke226 said:
not exactly seeing an option for a Poll...would recommend setting one up before we get 100s of posts to comb through
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you got there darn quick - cheers for voting though!
it depends on what rom u have. my battery usage for the display was significantly different from cyanogen to desire rom.
nellyspageli said:
it depends on what rom u have. my battery usage for the display was significantly different from cyanogen to desire rom.
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that was one of the things that prompted me to do the poll, as I'm familiar with a Desire with Sense that reports around 20%
unfortunately I don't think i can also capture the ROM here (kernel would have been nice too), but I wanted to - and think you may have a point...
Moved as not Android Dev.
Yeah, unfortunately if you are getting a low display usage if you use it a lot means that the rest of your system is really hogging the power. Cyanogenmod with a high display usage is great because it means the rest of the system is running very efficiently.
Clarkster said:
Yeah, unfortunately if you are getting a low display usage if you use it a lot means that the rest of your system is really hogging the power. Cyanogenmod with a high display usage is great because it means the rest of the system is running very efficiently.
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It could mean a few different things, not just that. This is not a very scientific poll, sorry.
Thanks for this Poll. I was beginning to think that maybe my Nexus One was defective because the screen used so much of the battery. Unlike my HTC Magic, where the Cell Standby/Phone Idle was king.
The screen is supposed to be the highest drain. That means that the OS and all your apps are very efficient and not out of control.
just FYI, it seems on the bleeding edge kernels that a couple of kernel authors are producing at the moment, that Display usage is down. I am typically seeing no more than 40% in the stats now (down from around 60%) - will update once the kernel dust settles!
this poll isnt really effective, i have seen my screen usage from 10% all the way up to 89%, from what ive seen the percentage is based off of how long since the phone has been unplugged from a charger to the amount of time you were actually using it(had the screen on)
i can run my battery life into the ground in 6 hours or i can make it last 34 hours(max from full charge to shut down with all the fancy stuff turned off)

[Q] What to do Against battery drain?

I now have one week to the Nexus One bought secondhand. It suits me perfectly stand alone I have a little trouble with the battery life of the phone. Morning when the phone is 100% and I come out of school (14:30 hours) the battery is still around 20%. I find this a bit short. Ok, I'll use him at school (bit Internet, twitter refreshes every 9 minutes)
There is an automatic task killer, and that helps a bit but I think there are about 80% after 8 hours battery life is a bit much. Me internet is also constantly and I really like to keep.
The battery is probably not because I've got 2 batteries and they both give the same result.
Anyone have any idea what I can do?
I've been a bit inet searched but not really found anything. I did see somewhere a separate battery behind the phone, but I'm not waiting because that makes him a bit heavier and uglier.
10% per hour is pretty poor battery life. Are you running stock Android? 3rd party firmwares can give you much better battery life (the latest versions of CyanogenMod are using less than 1% per hour when fully idle).
But there are things you can check. Have you looked in Settings -> About phone -> Battery usage? If you are using Gingerbread and you look at the graph, if there is a solid line (or mostly solid) next to the "awake" portion, it means that your phone isn't properly entering its low powered state. Download spare parts from the market and check out partial wake usage under the battery history section of that app.
Please post your screen on time value from the battery menu so we can see how long your screen is on.
I would say to go and disable background data. Disabling this will definitely improve your battery life. Of course, you aren't going to get you twitter updates but aside from that, the battery life should improve.
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FLAC Vest said:
I would say to go and disable background data. Disabling this will definitely improve your battery life. Of course, you aren't going to get you twitter updates but aside from that, the battery life should improve.
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While it is true that battery life would improve if Background Data was disabled (or limited via a program like Juice Defender), it doesn't take into account his actual problem. Unless it is a ton of apps constantly downloading that is keeping his battery usage in the toilet, this will only yield a slight improvement. I believe the cause is is an app (or apps) that prevent his phone from entering the low powered sleep state.
I don't know what stock Android gets from completely idle use (haven't run it since July last year), but a basic CyanogenMod install would sip between 1-2% per hour with the latest stable and the latest nightlies, some are reporting 1% every 2-3 hours when the phone is left alone (due to a fix that lets the microphones go into a deep sleep state).
Twitter refreshing every 9 minutes can not be helping, that said I doubt that's your entire issue but reducing the refresh rate should help quite a bit.
If you bought it used, it could be a bum battery. Not sure i know what apps work best to find out that info. Anybody?
Estimated Prophet Hawk said:
If you bought it used, it could be a bum battery. Not sure i know what apps work best to find out that info. Anybody?
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The battery app in my sig is the only one that reads the chip inside your battery to tell if it's legit or not, what the battery age is, etc. Needs root to work though.
Estimated Prophet Hawk said:
If you bought it used, it could be a bum battery. Not sure i know what apps work best to find out that info. Anybody?
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You can also get Battery Left from the Marketplace and when it gets calibrated it gives you a time until death number and some other features.
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Start by getting rid of the task killer.
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How greatly does animated wallpaper impact charge?

I was just wondering since i cant find a good wallpaper to use.
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nomadman said:
I was just wondering since i cant find a good wallpaper to use.
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Depends on the live wallpaper itself, I'd say read the comments on the one you might be interested in (in the market) and see what people say about its impact on battery life
from experience, id say it doesn't affect battery life all that much, but puts a MAJOR drain on performance, i used to use the microbes live wallpaper, and the ui was slow and laggy, after losing it, was buttery smooth but i guess that it does depend on the specific one you use
You know you can check this down to an exact percentage with multiple third-party battery apps, right?
i am using Koi fish live wallpaper...very sligh impact on the battery...but i always use live wallpapers...it never showed up in the battery graphs in settings
Post 2 and 4, your assumptions don't provide any information on the topic. if all the comments on Market only provide, "works great!, nice, sucks, thanks!", how does that help with diagnostics? and do provide you screen shot of a graph showing the wallpaper running...
@ coffmad and viny2cool,
I'm using a very minimal animated wallpaper. when you touch something on the screen is the only time it moves. and when it moves, again, its minimal as far as animations are concerned. so i'm thinking no significant battery drain.
Another thing I always wanted to know is, when you have an app on the foreground, does an animated wallpaper work in the background?
I was wondering the same thing. I have used a live wallpaper before on my phone (Epic 4g) and found it to take about a 7-10% hit on battery life through out the day. I decided it was too much do to the amount that I use my phone throughout the day. But I've thought about putting one on my TP. If it's less than 5% then I'm in.

Advice please! Thinking of swapping!

Hi,
I've had Samsung's for quite a while. The S2, the S3, and I currently have the Note 2.
There are a few reasons that I'm thinking of swapping my Note 2 for an Xperia Z. One of them is due to the size. Like I fool, I never actually used the Note 2 before I bought it, and I'm finding it a bit too big (if that's possible!) in certain situations. I held a non working dummy XZ the other day, and it felt so much better. Add to that I actually prefer the design of the XZ, and a few of the features like being water resistant, etc.
So, I've been doing a lot of research online, and sometimes the Note 2 comes out on top, and others the XZ. I thought I might ask some questions and for some advice, and see what people have to say.
1. The MAIN thing that is holding me back at the moment is the display. I see that the XZ has a higher resolution screen, however I can see on most of the videos and reviews online that the colour looks really washed out when compared to the Note 2 (and other Amoled displays). My question is, if anyone has gone from the Note 2 or similar to the XZ, is it really noticeable? And whilst this might seem like a bit of a weird question, but are there any apps that can 'increase the saturation', etc? I know on the Note 2 there are actually settings on the phone for different display/colour modes.
EDIT: I have read on a few blogs that there might be an update coming with something called White Balance. Does this make much of an improvement? And I assume it affects the display as a whole, not just when viewing pics, etc?
2. Battery Life. I know the Note 2 has a bigger battery. I'd say that if I heavily use my Note 2, it's normally at about 20-30% in the evenings when I go to bed. How do people find the battery life?
3. Widgets - I use widgets a lot. On the Sony, can you still place widgets that are part of downloaded apps? For example, I have a downloaded clock on my Note 2 that also adds widgets to the phone. I'm assuming as they are both Android that the XZ will have this too, but wanted to make sure there weren't any restrictions that Sony had implemented to stop this.
4. In some of the reviews, they have mentioned issues with call quality, wifi signal, over heating, crashes, etc. The reviews have mainly been from just after the phone was launched, so I'm not sure if perhaps there may have been updates since then? But has anyone had any of these issues?
Any advice on the above would be very gratefully received!
First of all, welcome to the xz subforum let's see if I can answer you some questions.
1) I don't think the screen is washed out but it's different than Amoled screen with tend to have more vibrant/over saturated colours but you will get used to it unless you keep comparing them. But the bravía engine will add that saturation you might miss from Amoled screen (for now bravía engine only works on gallery and movies app). Have into account that the rom theme is dark grey not black because it might make you think it doesn't display good blacks but it's just the theme.
White balance changes the tint of the screen ie if you think it's too red or green you can correct it.
2) Right battery life on screen time is not the best for now in stock you will get around 4-5 on screen time. Time will tell if ROMs/kernels can improve that. But stand by battery is Great, some people have reported around 6 days with light usage. So the biggest drain is from screen usage but it gets compensated by the off screen battery consumption.
3) I don't think there is any problem with the widgets unless they have a dependence with a different launcher than stock android.
4) I haven't had a crash yet, wifi signal is alright, I find antenna signal quite good, I does heat a bit but as any new Quad core does and glads doesn't propagate heat that much so it's more concentrated on the CPU zone, it's nothing worrying it's just warm.
All and all I find it a great device, obviously there is always room but improvements but give it time let's see what our developers can improve or sony itself.
At the end of the day is your device and no one can decide for you.
I hope I helped you a bit more to decide and if you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask here.
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wawyed said:
First of all, welcome to the xz subforum let's see if I can answer you some questions.
1) I don't think the screen is washed out but it's different than Amoled screen with tend to have more vibrant/over saturated colours but you will get used to it unless you keep comparing them. But the bravía engine will add that saturation you might miss from Amoled screen (for now bravía engine only works on gallery and movies app). Have into account that the rom theme is dark grey not black because it might make you think it doesn't display good blacks but it's just the theme.
White balance changes the tint of the screen ie if you think it's too red or green you can correct it.
2) Right battery life on screen time is not the best for now in stock you will get around 4-5 on screen time. Time will tell if ROMs/kernels can improve that. But stand by battery is Great, some people have reported around 6 days with light usage. So the biggest drain is from screen usage but it gets compensated by the off screen battery consumption.
3) I don't think there is any problem with the widgets unless they have a dependence with a different launcher than stock android.
4) I haven't had a crash yet, wifi signal is alright, I find antenna signal quite good, I does heat a bit but as any new Quad core does and glads doesn't propagate heat that much so it's more concentrated on the CPU zone, it's nothing worrying it's just warm.
All and all I find it a great device, obviously there is always room but improvements but give it time let's see what our developers can improve or sony itself.
At the end of the day is your device and no one can decide for you.
I hope I helped you a bit more to decide and if you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask here.
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That's very much appreciated, thank you very much! You may well have made my decision easier
I agree with wawyed's analysis. I was in market for note 2 esp for all the cool extra software features. But when I compared two working models of note 2 and Xperia z, I couldn't help loving the Xperia z. Btw, the screen of Xperia when compared with note 2 is really well lit and color reproduction is very nice. I am coming from iPhone 4s so a good camera was important for me and I will say Xperia is notches above note 2.
It does get hot but so did my iPhone 4s.
Batterylife is awesome for me.... I have been for 13 hrs and my battery is 53% I spoke for 1 hr, 3g-WiFi on, on screen notification via lockerpro, fb sync, Twitter sync and exchange email on push.
Only phones that I feel might compete with Xperia are galaxy 4 and HTC one.
I simply love almost stock feel of Xperia.
Swraj

Nexus 5 initial impressions from an iPhone 5 user

Background: Ever since I switched from AT$T to T-Mobile last month, my iPhone 5's battery life has taken a huge nosedive for the worst, to where it can easily lose 1% every 2-3 minutes, Wi-Fi on or off, and even if airplane mode is on but Wi-Fi is on (Apple Store won't replace it since it's 60 days out of warranty, and a new battery honestly probably won't help since the capacity and other diagnostic readings are showing signs of a normal battery). Popping my AT$T SIM back in, I immediately get much better numbers. Either T-Mobile's network sucks the crap out of batteries, or the phone has yet to be optimized for the network. I'm thinking it's the latter, because I've used other T-Mobile phones, such as the LG Optimus L9, and battery life was really good. Since the Nexus 5 is a very affordable off-contract device, I decided to give it a try.
I understand that the battery life is itself questionable for the Nexus 5, but it supposedly gets better as time goes on.
My white 16GB Nexus 5 arrived yesterday (ordered it on the 6th when it said it'll ship between 3-4 weeks). Using a ghetto paper-based mold for my nano-SIM, it worked just fine in the N5's micro-SIM slot.
It took a number of hours to eventually get things the way I like it, but here's my current setup (the icon and folder setups are nearly identical to how I had them on my iPhone 5, and every third-party (App Store) app I had there was also available on Android, or at least a good alternative was available):
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Overall, I'm very happy with Android 4.4 and its general performance on the N5.
So, some complaints.
First, LTE. On my morning commute, I noticed it completely lost a signal (no bars, just an outline) three times in areas where my iPhone 5 would have at least 2 bars (dots) of LTE. I would at least expect it to drop to HSPA+, but it didn't do that... In the building I'm in, I always got at least 3 bars of LTE on my iPhone 5. My Nexus 5 can't seem to hook onto it, even after flicking airplane mode on and off a few times. It's instead connected to HSPA+ (fluctuating between that and 3G when idling, as expected). Yes, HSPA+ works, but I want LTE if I have access to it, which I do. EDIT: Changing the data network from LTE to 2G, then back to LTE brought LTE back. EDIT 2: Well, where I've been at for the past 10 minutes, I get a full signal of LTE. It randomly decided to drop to full HSPA+/3G.
I always also hoping that general compatibility with T-Mobile was better. The raw decibel signal readings do seem to be in my favor, but the LTE problems and prior signal drops are hopefully things that won't happen again.
Next, battery life. Yes, as mentioned, I know that it's supposed to get better. To be honest, my initial battery life numbers don't seem too bad. Here are some of my initial numbers (N5 came out of the box at around 80% battery, used it down to 5% before charging it all night):
At that screen on rate, I'd estimate about 5.75 hours of total screen on usage, and 9 hours of total standby. That's much better than some of my recent iPhone 5 numbers, and I hope that they can increase. Battery life is really the deciding factor if I keep the N5 and sell my iPhone 5 or not.
I've already gone through all of the battery saving tips (turning Wi-Fi auto search off, battery saving location mode, disabling OK Google, etc.). My usage isn't too heavy, but I do leave Wi-fi OFF (yes, off), get hundreds of texts, checking and replying to them, using Twitter (Tweetings), listening to music through headphones (PowerAmp), checking email automatically every 15 minutes via K9, dealing with those from time to time, and opening some pages with Chrome.
Next, the speaker. I was expecting it to be loud, louder than my iPhone 5, but it's noticeably quieter. I guess there's a hardware hack for it, but I'd rather avoid that, should I end up returning the thing. It sounds clear, and seems louder in certain apps than others (even if the volume is up all the way). Not sure if it needs to be broken in first.
I just noticed that music through headphones doesn't get very loud either, even with things turned up to their maximum values in PowerAmp.
I've yet to take a picture with the camera, and I heard it could be better (and probably will with a software update).
Speaking of software updates, I imagine Google could easily improve on almost all of these areas, including battery life?
One of my concerns was whether or not I can deal with the larger phone for one-handed operation. And really, I haven't had any complaints there.
Overall, I'm very satisfied with it. Just anxious to see what my battery life numbers will be as time goes on.
Battery life probably won't get drastically better. You just need to see what kills your battery the most. If there are things on in the background that your not using such as an app that would save battery life. But most likely is just the screen
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If you can live with Google Play Music for listening to your music, it should use less battery then poweramp by using the special kitkat dsp audio engine.
If you don't have stable LTE, it will really suck the life out of your battery. I just run HSPA+ most of the time and my battery life is ridiculous now.
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If you can live with Google Play Music for listening to your music, it should use less battery then poweramp by using the special kitkat dsp audio engine.
If you don't have stable LTE, it will really suck the life out of your battery. I just run HSPA+ most of the time and my battery life is ridiculous now.
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One big thing I really like is when songs crossfade between each other, which the Google Play Music app doesn't do. PowerAmp's equalizer and other audio adjustment settings are things I can't really go without anymore. Battery life when using it seems fine (for now).
LTE where I am is generally pretty stable. I'll do some tests with LTE off since that will probably help a bit (didn't matter on my iPhone 5, since the battery life would decrease at the same rate regardless of which type of data connection I'm on). Think a software or radio update would help?
You are complaining about nearly 6 hours of battery life?!!? If I get a Nexus 5 and get that much screen on just browsing, I'd freaking celebrate!
Let's not forget that you started at 80%!! EIGHTY PERCENT!!
darkgoon3r96 said:
You are complaining about nearly 6 hours of battery life?!!? If I get a Nexus 5 and get that much screen on just browsing, I'd freaking celebrate!
Let's not forget that you started at 80%!! EIGHTY PERCENT!!
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Well, my iPhone USED to get really good usage numbers under similar usage scenarios.
I've got to admit, I was expecting another "iPhone 5 is way better than Nexus 5" rant...
Kudos to you sir, I thought you made a pretty good review and fair comparison between the two.
I've been having similar issues on T-Mobile as of late, so I understand where you're coming from. The battery and network connectivity issues are most likely on their side.
As for software issues, the sound output being drastically different per app will likely be fixed in an OTA soon. The camera actually exceeded my expectations on a recent family outing to a Texans game last weekend, with HDR+ it takes amazing pictures! The autofocus could be faster, but I'm sure that'll be addressed in an OTA as well.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts bud, it's not often we get unbiased opinions here... It's refreshing to see a review by someone who isn't an iOS fanboy or Nexus apologist.
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Well, my iPhone USED to get really good usage numbers under similar usage scenarios.
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Its not similar conditions with a 4" screen.
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Battery life is incredibly subjective and can vary wildly from user to user. Location, carrier, usage patterns, etc. are different for everyone so it's hard to definitively predict battery life on the N5.
My experience? My first week I was incredibly worried because battery life was significantly worse than my GS3. Granted, I was playing with it a lot and testing out different things, but I was averaging about 3 hours of screen time and scraping about 12 hours of total life. Pretty terrible for what I was used to. I will say that when I was testing out the Moves app, to test the movement tracker, this absolutely slaughtered my battery.
I lived with mediocre battery life for a few days, then when Franco came out with his kernel (I believe I started at r10) I flashed it and then started getting insane battery results. Each kernel update has gotten better (now on r14) and I'm finally happy and able to easily make it through a full day.
For the past week, I usually take my phone off the charger at 7am and it goes back on at 11pm with around 25-35% remaining. During this time my screen on time is between 3-4 hours. So that's 16 hours with a quarter of the battery remaining and a decent amount of screen time on. I'm very happy.
I'm assuming a custom kernel requires a root, which then requires everything to be wiped? I wish I knew that prior to getting everything setup. Probably won't get into any of that for a while.
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Its not similar conditions with a 4" screen.
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It's also not similar conditions when the iPhone 5 has only a 1,440 mAh battery, that's something like ~63% smaller than the Nexus 5's battery (which many of us already find to be disappointingly small compared to other Android flagships).
I'm a hardcore Android user, always have been since I owned an OG Droid and Nexus One, but I concede that whatever Apple does with iOS and their SoCs to squeeze so much screen on time out of the tiny little batteries in the iPhones is pretty impressive.
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I'm assuming a custom kernel requires a root, which then requires everything to be wiped? I wish I knew that prior to getting everything setup. Probably won't get into any of that for a while.
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A custom kernel doesn't technically need root, but it does need the bootloader to be unlocked which is what wipes the device.
You can try to backup with an app called "helium" which apparently backs up a fair bit.
I also saw a thread to unlock bootloader without wipe. I didn't read it though. Possibly in themea and apps subforum. Try a search of xda at the root if the n5 forum
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Could you tell us more about your experience on Android vs iOS? I had an iPhone 4S prior to switching to Android, and aside from the consistency of the UI and fluidity, there isn't much else that I miss. Oh, maybe the excellent color accuracy of the iPhones (especially whites, which aren't too blue). The biggest thing that I was glad about dumping was iTunes, followed by iOS restrictions on what you can and can't do.
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I'm assuming a custom kernel requires a root, which then requires everything to be wiped? I wish I knew that prior to getting everything setup. Probably won't get into any of that for a while.
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Rooting doesn't require a wipe, but unlocking your bootloader does. Step 1 when aquiring phone, unlock bootloader, optionally root if you want, then set up. Bootloader unlock is most important for custom kernel.
Did you try viper4android for general sound enhancement. Don't have mine n5 yet - but on other phones it is amazing.
You can find viper in the play store.
Greets...
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It's also not similar conditions when the iPhone 5 has only a 1,440 mAh battery, that's something like ~63% smaller than the Nexus 5's battery (which many of us already find to be disappointingly small compared to other Android flagships).
I'm a hardcore Android user, always have been since I owned an OG Droid and Nexus One, but I concede that whatever Apple does with iOS and their SoCs to squeeze so much screen on time out of the tiny little batteries in the iPhones is pretty impressive.
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True. Completely different hardware and os makes any comparison pointless.
I actually think the N5 battery is great. Its bigger than my S3 my 200 mAh but it lasts much longer proportionally.
The best way to make the decision between the 2 is to see which is a better fit for "your" usage and habits, which you enjoy the most and whether the battery is "enough".
For me, an iPhone battery would last days,.but it doesn't suit me.
Best thing is to consider battery last. Let passion make the decision
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rootSU said:
I actually think the N5 battery is great. Its bigger than my S3 my 200 mAh but it lasts much longer proportionally.
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I'm actually relieved and excited to hear that. I had an S3 for many months and it was the first smartphone I've ever owned that I felt had really good battery life.
I'm on a Galaxy Nexus on Verizon right now, which is notorious for having insanely abysmal battery life, and it was like a slap in the face compared to my S3, which easily lasted all day.
So I figure just about anything will be better than what I'm on now.
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Could you tell us more about your experience on Android vs iOS? I had an iPhone 4S prior to switching to Android, and aside from the consistency of the UI and fluidity, there isn't much else that I miss. Oh, maybe the excellent color accuracy of the iPhones (especially whites, which aren't too blue). The biggest thing that I was glad about dumping was iTunes, followed by iOS restrictions on what you can and can't do.
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While even Android 4.4 on the Nexus 5 could be smoother in terms of frame rate. I thought I'd get annoyed by it, but it doesn't bother me much. I kinda miss iTunes, keeping syncing things organized within one central program, but I rarely used it.
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True. Completely different hardware and os makes any comparison pointless.
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I'll have to disagree there. They're both phones that can do similar things, and both have similar hardware features (although they obviously differ). When usage scenarios and network conditions are as close as possible, only then can the battery life really be compared. So, I think that it's appropriate in my particular case.
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I'm actually relieved and excited to hear that. I had an S3 for many months and it was the first smartphone I've ever owned that I felt had really good battery life.
I'm on a Galaxy Nexus on Verizon right now, which is notorious for having insanely abysmal battery life, and it was like a slap in the face compared to my S3, which easily lasted all day.
So I figure just about anything will be better than what I'm on now.
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My comparison is like for like here. My network doesn't yet offer lte and my s3 was not the lte version. Bear in mind my s3 was quad core 1.4Ghz so im not sure how my S3 compared to yours.
But my N5 I am doing 16 hour days (8 hrs low signal area) with 4.5 hrs+ screen on. I could get that on my s3 if I didn't leave the house but a normal day would be 3 hrs on s3.
I am undervolted by 50 and using greenify though
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besweeet said:
I'll have to disagree there. They're both phones that can do similar things, and both have similar hardware features (although they obviously differ). When usage scenarios and network conditions are as close as possible, only then can the battery life really be compared. So, I think that it's appropriate in my particular case.
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Fair enough I respect your disagreement. Although for me I disagree that they do similar things too. On the face of it they do, but for the hardcore of us I don't feel that's true. Not to spark an iPhone / android debate here (so this will be my last word on ios) but I see ios more as a "feature phone" than a "smart phone".
If the iPhone does all you need and you can get better battery, its a no brainer. Its just the os work completely different. The n5 is much more powerful and bigger screened and the architecture is incomparable.
On the face of it they do the same "calls, emails, web and some apps" but the comparison stops there I feel. It depends how involved you wish to become.
As I say, go with your heart on which you prefer. Take battery into consideration but don't let it rule the decision. Go for what suits you, not what anyone else says
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So I've convinced myself to wipe & root later, backing up with Helium and the normal Google backup (for system settings and such). That should get me mostly setup the way I had pre-wipe, right? I should have some time this weekend to just start from scratch again, but would definitely like to avoid most of it if possible, which it seems like it is.

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