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Dear Nexus One users!
I'm trying to gather some data for the following thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=753382
I have a feeling that HTC has tampered with the Desire's power usage statistics in order to make the AMOLED screen seem more efficient.
As far as I've heard (only asked two Nexus One owners so far), the Nexus's display usage is about on par with the Desire's vanilla ROMs, which leaves me to believe that the vanilla ROMs are accurate, and the HTC Sense ROMs are the ones with the problem.
I hope you can help me gather some stats
Thanks in advance!
-edit- Forgot to say: The statistics I'm talking about can be found in Settings=>About Phone=>Battery Use, and I'm interested in the statistics after a day of reasonable to heavy use (web browsing, messaging, phone calls etc.).
It's usually in the 61-80% range even with heavy use. I have to admit that I run the screen on full brightness all the time though, so that can skew the results a little.
Thanks for all the votes so far guys!
Looks like I was right
Getting some good data here... keep it up, thanks!
just thought i would add... (hopefully not too off topic) the HTC Desire (the new SLCD models), the Display only uses like <10%, seems they weren't lying about the battery saving part (this is based on what I've seen on my friend's Desire)
anyways my AMOLED Nexus one is in the 60-70% range and I'm usually in Automatic brightness mode
kwazi said:
just thought i would add... (hopefully not too off topic) the HTC Desire (the new SLCD models), the Display only uses like <10%, seems they weren't lying about the battery saving part (this is based on what I've seen on my friend's Desire)
anyways my AMOLED Nexus one is in the 60-70% range and I'm usually in Automatic brightness mode
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Don't allow yourself to be fooled - AMOLED Desires also often use less than 10% of the battery according to HTC ROMs... which is precisely why I think it's bull****.
Hell, the day before yesterday I kept my display on nearly the whole day, just to test the new power consumption stats (using OpenDesire, and as of 3.1.0 the power consumption statistics have been changed to give pretty much the same results as Sense ROMs) - result: about 10 hours of total battery life (from a full charge!), 6 of which had the display running. Now guess what the new Sense-style battery consumption measurements told me? Supposedly, even though my display had been on all day, it only used 13% of the total battery.
So don't worry - I don't think it's true that your phone uses so much more power - but rather, that HTC has somehow screwed up the power consumption statistics in their Sense ROMs, and the screen is using much more power than they're showing.
And you're not off topic at all. You're a perfect example for someone confused by the discrepancies in power usage statistics. They're not logical, and they're leading you to believe that your AMOLED diplay is using a lot more power than the new sLCD displays in Desires, as well as the AMOLED displays in the older Desires.
My display is always up around 80% of my total use. Everyday its like that. And that's the way it should be unless your device sleeps all day with no use.
When doing your comparison, you also need to post your display-on time, and your total time since unplugged. These are in the same place as your percentages. This way we know the ratio that The display was used and how long the device was unplugged. Otherwise I could post a number but without a reference point its meaningless. What if my screen never turned on once? That certainly skews the result.
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My display is always up around 80% of my total use. Everyday its like that. And that's the way it should be unless your device sleeps all day with no use.
When doing your comparison, you also need to post your display-on time, and your total time since unplugged. These are in the same place as your percentages. This way we know the ratio that The display was used and how long the device was unplugged. Otherwise I could post a number but without a reference point its meaningless. What if my screen never turned on once? That certainly skews the result.
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Theoretically you're right of course. However, so far the discrepancies are so immense that I don't think that's even necessary. Leaving the display on 100% of the time on a Sense ROM doesn't even allow you to crack 20% battery used by the display... Using the display for an hour on the Nexus or an AOSP Desire ROM, gives you at least 40% battery used by the display at the end of the day. Unless someone really keeps their phone off the ENTIRE time, I don't think the clarification is even necessary...
Hello everyone!
Thanks for the useful data. After continued testing by myself and a few other interested people (namely th3, who provided the idea for disproval of HTC's Sense battery use statistics once and for all, and Andycted, who has been providing many useful statistics which helped us get a better idea of general power consumption on the Desire), I've entered the issue on the Android Issues tracker.
You can view the issue here, and feel free to comment and/or star the issue to show your support, as it concerns all Android users. The problem may only be present on HTC Sense, but how will you know if future devices are reporting battery usage correctly if the statistics are so easily tampered with?
Thank you again for your help, support, and very helpful and constructive criticism.
Mine is always between 45 and 55 %, nearly stock FRF91 and minimum brightness
Haha, a friend of mine that just got the SLCD Desire was claiming his screen wasn't burning through the power like my n1 seems to. I guess it's unfortunate that it isn't the case.
I'd wager the SLCD really does use a lot less power when displaying bright colors, especially like white web page backgrounds... but even if your buddy spends his whole day looking at bright web pages (nothing with dark backgrounds), the battery usage of his display should be at the most 10% lower than yours
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I'd wager the SLCD really does use a lot less power when displaying bright colors, especially like white web page backgrounds... but even if your buddy spends his whole day looking at bright web pages (nothing with dark backgrounds), the battery usage of his display should be at the most 10% lower than yours
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I totally read your post wrong, sorry.
We have figures for the approximate power drain of the AMOLED screen (155mA black, 485mA white) so where are the figures for the SLCD?
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I totally read your post wrong, sorry.
We have figures for the approximate power drain of the AMOLED screen (155mA black, 485mA white) so where are the figures for the SLCD?
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Back a few years ago (th3 posted a PDF from a company that manufactures AMOLED screens), the figures were around 200-250mW for the LCD (on all screen colors), while an AMOLED of the same size drew 700-something mW on a white screen. Obviously older screens, and smaller in size, but should be comparable...
I'll see if I can dig it up again...
Here it is:
http://data.4dsystems.com.au/downloads/micro-OLED/Docs/4D_AMOLED_Presentation.pdf
we need to get some desire users with the SLCD screen to install the current power draw widget to their homescreen and give us some numbers. or just pull them from the dmesg log. at this point i have pretty good numbers for the nexus amoled screen, and like said above black typically around 140 mA and white 350 mA, but those both a lot of the time go much lower and higher, respectively.
RogerPodacter said:
we need to get some desire users with the SLCD screen to install the current power draw widget to their homescreen and give us some numbers. or just pull them from the dmesg log. at this point i have pretty good numbers for the nexus amoled screen, and like said above black typically around 140 mA and white 350 mA, but those both a lot of the time go much lower and higher, respectively.
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I'll see if I can get said friend to do that then lol.
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I'll see if I can get said friend to do that then lol.
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Please! I'd love to see some exact figures too, if possible with all radios off and in idle. Measurements both on minimum and max brightness preferred
bemymonkey said:
Dear Nexus One users!
I'm trying to gather some data for the following thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=753382
I have a feeling that HTC has tampered with the Desire's power usage statistics in order to make the AMOLED screen seem more efficient.
As far as I've heard (only asked two Nexus One owners so far), the Nexus's display usage is about on par with the Desire's vanilla ROMs, which leaves me to believe that the vanilla ROMs are accurate, and the HTC Sense ROMs are the ones with the problem.
I hope you can help me gather some stats
Thanks in advance!
-edit- Forgot to say: The statistics I'm talking about can be found in Settings=>About Phone=>Battery Use, and I'm interested in the statistics after a day of reasonable to heavy use (web browsing, messaging, phone calls etc.).
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Nah, it's just that Sense uses more battery, therefore the screen doesn't use as much in comparison
Hi everyone,
I'm thinking about buying LG Optimus 4X and I have a few questions:
1- How is performance about of the box? Any lag?
2- Both 4X and HTC One X have the same processor, are they equal in performance? How is it compared to the S3? What would I be missing compared to both phones?
3- What about gaming? I've read that people have issues with Tegra 3 in gaming in both 4X and One X.
4- Battery life. What is the maximum screen on time with heavy usage?
5- Any news about JB update?
6- Are there any cons I should know about it before buying?
Thanks in advance, guys
My personal experience is ive had no problems with the gaming and the quality has been awesome, you will hear from a few that they think its laggy but id recommend them to stop the many programs they probably have running in the background using task manager.
the thing i dont like is the battery tends to get warm a lot of the time,ive played games like the grand theth auto series and 9mm and nfs most wanted ect ect which played well
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My personal experience is ive had no problems with the gaming and the quality has been awesome, you will hear from a few that they think its laggy but id recommend them to stop the many programs they probably have running in the background using task manager.
the thing i dont like is the battery tends to get warm a lot of the time,ive played games like the grand theth auto series and 9mm and nfs most wanted ect ect which played well
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They ran well with no lagging at all?
they run very well without lagging, the only time id say i found any problems like lagging was when i had many programs running in memory, for the cost of the phone if i experienced lagging id certainly send it back and buy another phone, people get carried away with downloaded programs that tweaks this or that and have things like the antivirus runnning in the background which then eats up a lot of recources also i wouldnt use programs that run in the background to change lock screens and themes
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also i notice that the heat comes from just below the camera and not directly from the battery which would suggest its the proccessor heating up and not the battery, i dont know if its the same for everyone but check it when it feels hot,.remove the battery cover and feel for the heat source
friartuckme said:
they run very well without lagging, the only time id say i found any problems like lagging was when i had many programs running in memory, for the cost of the phone if i experienced lagging id certainly send it back and buy another phone, people get carried away with downloaded programs that tweaks this or that and have things like the antivirus runnning in the background which then eats up a lot of recources also i wouldnt use programs that run in the background to change lock screens and themes
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also i notice that the heat comes from just below the camera and not directly from the battery which would suggest its the proccessor heating up and not the battery, i dont know if its the same for everyone but check it when it feels hot,.remove the battery cover and feel for the heat source
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Tegra 3 has heating issues due to it's 40nm structure.
The performance is better on the 4x then the one x. Since the tegra 3 was better optimized. I have no lag playing any games. Battery can be something that I didn't really figure out yet. Some days it is good some days it is horrible. When using the phone in wifi battery is rather good when using it on cellular data it is rather not so impressive. But the one x battery is by far worse and not removable. Where u can remove the battery on the 4x.
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dante501 said:
The performance is better on the 4x then the one x. Since the tegra 3 was better optimized. I have no lag playing any games. Battery can be something that I didn't really figure out yet. Some days it is good some days it is horrible. When using the phone in wifi battery is rather good when using it on cellular data it is rather not so impressive. But the one x battery is by far worse and not removable. Where u can remove the battery on the 4x.
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4X has better performance based on experience with both devices or just assumption?
I had the one x and the galaxy s3 and i sold both u got the 4x. Battery on 4x better on then one x epual to s3. Performance s3 then 4x then one x. Screen one x the best then 4x and s3. Checkerboard when blacks im the s3 is bad and the burn in issues on the s3 screen are known issues. Camera one x then s3 then 4x. Custom Roms s3 and one x great, 4x has non.
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dante501 said:
I had the one x and the galaxy s3 and i sold both u got the 4x. Battery on 4x better on then one x epual to s3. Performance s3 then 4x then one x. Screen one x the best then 4x and s3. Checkerboard when blacks im the s3 is bad and the burn in issues on the s3 screen are known issues. Camera one x then s3 then 4x. Custom Roms s3 and one x great, 4x has non.
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Regarding performance, where does the 4X fall behind S3?
I the speeds text the enyox chips are somewhat better performance and battery life wise they give a little bit better results. But the tegra 3 in the 4x is better then the one x version. And I do not regret getting the 4x and it handles really everything as good as the s3 really. The camera is not as good so. It isn't bad but the zoom specially when close is pretty broken but there are camera apps that work good and fix the issue. Camera mx does really good actually. Anyway. The 4x is really a good phone.
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dante501 said:
I the speeds text the enyox chips are somewhat better performance and battery life wise they give a little bit better results. But the tegra 3 in the 4x is better then the one x version. And I do not regret getting the 4x and it handles really everything as good as the s3 really. The camera is not as good so. It isn't bad but the zoom specially when close is pretty broken but there are camera apps that work good and fix the issue. Camera mx does really good actually. Anyway. The 4x is really a good phone.
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Thanks that really helped
Not a problem and u will like the screen. Specially u don't have to worry about burn in and checkerboard looks when u have black backgrounds. And it performs better in sunlight then the amoleod screens do. LG really makes some of the best screens. I only wish I could put a custom rom on the 4x but the stock software is pretty ok. Do not worry about it being as a screw up like it was in the 2x. LG did a better job with that software in the 4x.
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How about Camera
Hi,
I am about to buy this phone but there are a few things that are holding me back (or else, in India, sometimes it is coming out to be 33% cheaper than OneX or S3, which is just superb).
1. Camera quality - I saw the Neowin Review and it is the most honest review I've seen of this phone. Camera isn't its forte, but is a critical factor for me. With some 3rd party softwares, can it be any better, especially in darker settings?
2. Video - How good is the video with 3rd party softwares after updating the phone with 10h firmware update.?
3. I reckon that the battery issues are also taken care of with 10f/g or something like that?
4. How good is the music player with or without PowerAmp, especially with a headphone and not the standard speakers?
5. In White or Black?
6. Jelly bean is rumored to be out in Q1,13 with unlocked bootloader as well. Will that mean that CM and others will port their android version to 4x HD as well?
Anything else I should know before I make the purchase. This is my first time for a smart phone, so just trying to play safe.
Thanks in advance.
s3rial_kill3r said:
Hi,
I am about to buy this phone but there are a few things that are holding me back (or else, in India, sometimes it is coming out to be 33% cheaper than OneX or S3, which is just superb).
1. Camera quality - I saw the Neowin Review and it is the most honest review I've seen of this phone. Camera isn't its forte, but is a critical factor for me. With some 3rd party softwares, can it be any better, especially in darker settings?
2. Video - How good is the video with 3rd party softwares after updating the phone with 10h firmware update.?
3. I reckon that the battery issues are also taken care of with 10f/g or something like that?
4. How good is the music player with or without PowerAmp, especially with a headphone and not the standard speakers?
5. In White or Black?
6. Jelly bean is rumored to be out in Q1,13 with unlocked bootloader as well. Will that mean that CM and others will port their android version to 4x HD as well?
Anything else I should know before I make the purchase. This is my first time for a smart phone, so just trying to play safe.
Thanks in advance.
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1. I don't use any camera, so can't tell. But kholk says it's better with his rom.
2. same as 1.
3. Battery is not great, but also not bad. Highest drain has been away since v10e (Europe). If the phone gets unlocked, custom kernels will take care of the problem.
4. I haven't used PowerAmp and I don't have good headphones. Also something I care about less.
5. White version has a small black border around the screen. Also, the button backlight, which is widely used as a Notification LED, can't be seen as good as in the black version. Everything else is just a matter of personal preferences.
6. Yes, yes and yes.
s3rial_kill3r said:
Hi,
I am about to buy this phone but there are a few things that are holding me back (or else, in India, sometimes it is coming out to be 33% cheaper than OneX or S3, which is just superb).
1. Camera quality - I saw the Neowin Review and it is the most honest review I've seen of this phone. Camera isn't its forte, but is a critical factor for me. With some 3rd party softwares, can it be any better, especially in darker settings?
2. Video - How good is the video with 3rd party softwares after updating the phone with 10h firmware update.?
3. I reckon that the battery issues are also taken care of with 10f/g or something like that?
4. How good is the music player with or without PowerAmp, especially with a headphone and not the standard speakers?
5. In White or Black?
6. Jelly bean is rumored to be out in Q1,13 with unlocked bootloader as well. Will that mean that CM and others will port their android version to 4x HD as well?
Anything else I should know before I make the purchase. This is my first time for a smart phone, so just trying to play safe.
Thanks in advance.
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1. At first I was disapointed from the camera, but after flashing v10h it takes pretty good quality pictures,(big battery spender)
2. Video is not than good but u can change brightess so it takes NICE 1080p videos also can record with flash on, with good frame rate (I really love it)(Also ENORMOUS battery spender.)
3.there are nice battery tutorials which will make your batery drain unnoticable (I am curently 1d 13h 13min with 3g of 60 min usage over 4 hours talk time and wifi 30 min. So this is basic LIGHT usage but the battery is at 43% (CURRETLY TESTING THE BATTERY LIFE) ) with hard core use like ONLINE multyplayer games battery is spend for 3:30 - 4:30 hours
4. Standard music player is good not too loud on loudspeaker but on headphones it is pretty loud (for me), but Call speaker is not that loud
5. Black (It looks good)
6. YES, we are all waiting for that
Thank you both. I finally decided to buy it over LG L9. Both are fabulous phones but having the flagship phone and better reviews did it for me. It should be in my hands some time this week (online ordering). Am I happy? :laugh: :highfive:
ljubisa_sk said:
1. At first I was disapointed from the camera, but after flashing v10h it takes pretty good quality pictures,(big battery spender)
2. Video is not than good but u can change brightess so it takes NICE 1080p videos also can record with flash on, with good frame rate (I really love it)(Also ENORMOUS battery spender.)
3.there are nice battery tutorials which will make your batery drain unnoticable (I am curently 1d 13h 13min with 3g of 60 min usage over 4 hours talk time and wifi 30 min. So this is basic LIGHT usage but the battery is at 43% (CURRETLY TESTING THE BATTERY LIFE) ) with hard core use like ONLINE multyplayer games battery is spend for 3:30 - 4:30 hours
4. Standard music player is good not too loud on loudspeaker but on headphones it is pretty loud (for me), but Call speaker is not that loud
5. Black (It looks good)
6. YES, we are all waiting for that
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muellersmattes said:
1. I don't use any camera, so can't tell. But kholk says it's better with his rom.
2. same as 1.
3. Battery is not great, but also not bad. Highest drain has been away since v10e (Europe). If the phone gets unlocked, custom kernels will take care of the problem.
4. I haven't used PowerAmp and I don't have good headphones. Also something I care about less.
5. White version has a small black border around the screen. Also, the button backlight, which is widely used as a Notification LED, can't be seen as good as in the black version. Everything else is just a matter of personal preferences.
6. Yes, yes and yes.
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AW: [Q] Questions about the 4X
Then welcome to our community, you won't regret this, I think
...sent with my LG Optimus 4X HD...
Hi,
I also about to buy this phone. I coming from MOTO RAZR xt910 and my big worry is question: Are they confirmed to unlock bootloader? Moto also promised to do so and that's why I bought RAZR, now I ended up with this phone on stock ROM.
Good thing I saw, kholk working on CM, I know him back from SE Arc forum, he doin' grat job.
Overall, I like LG design, comparing phones 3 days, I reading, watching, etc... Last 2 left:
LG 4x vs SGS3
I thing I'll get LG 4x because of design, I really don't like SGS3 shape.
i have two friends which have s3 cause it "famous" them all have crack or scract at the edge.. i think s3 just fragile when it got drop but my 4x i think hundreds of got fall of the bed got thrown seriously still none.... forget gorilla glass 2 just think about the build quality
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Actually the only difference between Gorilla Glass 1 and 2 is that 2 is thinner. They both offer the same protection.
HI.
I am looking for some information regarding the Sony Xperia Z.
I currently have a Galaxy S3 and my contract is up for renewal soon. The S4 is a bit underwhelming and I've had my head turned by the good looks and features of the Xperia Z.
I just wanted some peoples opinions of how the phone actually is during everyday use.
For example -
Is the battery life really that bad? Does Juice Defender improve it in any way?
How good is the screen?
Does it have an on-board radio (FM/DAB etc.)
How easy is it to flash a custom ROM?
Being on this forum, I know the answers may be a wee bit biased so if anyone can give me an honest appraisal of how much better an Xperia Z is compared to a Galaxy S3 (LTE) I would be really grateful.
Thanks in advance.
Battery life in my eyes is good, I work nights and I stream music to my MW600 for about 7 hours, 3G is on, check facebook about every hour, read a book on calm moment and check the interwebs. Starting with a ful battery and stopping with a 25% charge.
I just have stamina mode on, no other battery saving apps
I love just love the screen.
It has an onboard radio.
No idea about flashing, gotta ask someone els.
The screen is stunning great for movies/youtube and books and this is without the built in Bravia Engine 2 being enabled. Battery life is excellent when using stamina mode and no other apps, I don't think other apps are needed for this purposes as stamina mode learns as you ise your phone and gives you reccommendations to increase battery time. The battery does not discharge overnight either, screen off button pressed before bed and the percentage is the same by morning. Excellent in my opinion.
Not used other options but the waterproofing and dust proofing really is less of a worry.
QUOTE=ianrobbie;39434002]HI.
I am looking for some information regarding the Sony Xperia Z.
I currently have a Galaxy S3 and my contract is up for renewal soon. The S4 is a bit underwhelming and I've had my head turned by the good looks and features of the Xperia Z.
I just wanted some peoples opinions of how the phone actually is during everyday use.
For example -
Is the battery life really that bad? Does Juice Defender improve it in any way?
How good is the screen?
Does it have an on-board radio (FM/DAB etc.)
How easy is it to flash a custom ROM?
Being on this forum, I know the answers may be a wee bit biased so if anyone can give me an honest appraisal of how much better an Xperia Z is compared to a Galaxy S3 (LTE) I would be really grateful.
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camera
camera Z vs camera S4 ???
ianrobbie said:
HI.
I am looking for some information regarding the Sony Xperia Z.
For example -
Is the battery life really that bad? Does Juice Defender improve it in any way?
How good is the screen?
Does it have an on-board radio (FM/DAB etc.)
How easy is it to flash a custom ROM?
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"Is the battery life really that bad? Does Juice Defender improve it in any way?"
What do you mean with that bad!??? It's not bad, for some people it is, but that has to do with other reasons beside the battery (Software optimization?)
"How good is the screen?"
We can't say anything about that, in the end you will have to be the one that decides whether it's good or not..
"Does it have an on-board radio (FM/DAB etc.)"
Uhu/Yup/Yes
"How easy is it to flash a custom ROM?"
It's easier then it will be on the GS4:silly: Talking about no CM for GS4
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Hmm, this one is a bit tricky...
Haven't really seen too many pictures made by the GS4 so can't really judge that.
The things that I can say about the XZ camera is that it really has potential, we saw that with the burst mode.
So Sony should be able to make it better then it is at the moment. (Software issue at the moment)
Dsteppa said:
"Is the battery life really that bad? Does Juice Defender improve it in any way?"
What do you mean with that bad!??? It's not bad, for some people it is, but that has to do with other reasons beside the battery (Software optimization?)
I'd read a lot of reports and reviews that mentioned that the battery life wasn't the greatest. If it lasts a day with normal use then I'll be happy. I originally had the same problem with the SG3, with the phone not lasting 24 hours, but Juice Defender leaves me with about 35% at the end fo the day, after heavy use
"How good is the screen?"
We can't say anything about that, in the end you will have to be the one that decides whether it's good or not..
Again, I'd read a few reports that said there was light leaking and that the contrast ratio wasn't the greatest. Just wanted a user's opinion on clarity, quality etc.
"Does it have an on-board radio (FM/DAB etc.)"
Uhu/Yup/Yes
"How easy is it to flash a custom ROM?"
It's easier then it will be on the GS4:silly: Talking about no CM for GS4
I'm not a big Custom ROM user, but I do like to root my phone. I noticed the Xperia forum wasn't the biggest, so again, just wanted an average user's opinion.
Thanks for the replies, though.
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ianrobbie said:
Is the battery life really that bad? Does Juice Defender improve it in any way?"
What do you mean with that bad!??? It's not bad, for some people it is, but that has to do with other reasons beside the battery (Software optimization?)
I'd read a lot of reports and reviews that mentioned that the battery life wasn't the greatest. If it lasts a day with normal use then I'll be happy. I originally had the same problem with the SG3, with the phone not lasting 24 hours, but Juice Defender leaves me with about 35% at the end fo the day, after heavy use
"How easy is it to flash a custom ROM?"
It's easier then it will be on the GS4:silly: Talking about no CM for GS4
I'm not a big Custom ROM user, but I do like to root my phone. I noticed the Xperia forum wasn't the biggest, so again, just wanted an average user's opinion.
Thanks for the replies, though.
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Yeah and I've saw a lot of people saying that the battery live is great.
I think that the XZ will have more custom roms then the GS4, even though less people will use the phone.
Ask the same question in the Samsung forums and you will get the opposite reaction.
The phone is just fantastic..The only reason i need to choose btw this and galaxy is by holding them togetheR Galaxy will feel so cheap in front of this galssy beauty!
Thanks for all the replies, guys. I think you've just made my mind up.
Background: Ever since I switched from AT$T to T-Mobile last month, my iPhone 5's battery life has taken a huge nosedive for the worst, to where it can easily lose 1% every 2-3 minutes, Wi-Fi on or off, and even if airplane mode is on but Wi-Fi is on (Apple Store won't replace it since it's 60 days out of warranty, and a new battery honestly probably won't help since the capacity and other diagnostic readings are showing signs of a normal battery). Popping my AT$T SIM back in, I immediately get much better numbers. Either T-Mobile's network sucks the crap out of batteries, or the phone has yet to be optimized for the network. I'm thinking it's the latter, because I've used other T-Mobile phones, such as the LG Optimus L9, and battery life was really good. Since the Nexus 5 is a very affordable off-contract device, I decided to give it a try.
I understand that the battery life is itself questionable for the Nexus 5, but it supposedly gets better as time goes on.
My white 16GB Nexus 5 arrived yesterday (ordered it on the 6th when it said it'll ship between 3-4 weeks). Using a ghetto paper-based mold for my nano-SIM, it worked just fine in the N5's micro-SIM slot.
It took a number of hours to eventually get things the way I like it, but here's my current setup (the icon and folder setups are nearly identical to how I had them on my iPhone 5, and every third-party (App Store) app I had there was also available on Android, or at least a good alternative was available):
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Overall, I'm very happy with Android 4.4 and its general performance on the N5.
So, some complaints.
First, LTE. On my morning commute, I noticed it completely lost a signal (no bars, just an outline) three times in areas where my iPhone 5 would have at least 2 bars (dots) of LTE. I would at least expect it to drop to HSPA+, but it didn't do that... In the building I'm in, I always got at least 3 bars of LTE on my iPhone 5. My Nexus 5 can't seem to hook onto it, even after flicking airplane mode on and off a few times. It's instead connected to HSPA+ (fluctuating between that and 3G when idling, as expected). Yes, HSPA+ works, but I want LTE if I have access to it, which I do. EDIT: Changing the data network from LTE to 2G, then back to LTE brought LTE back. EDIT 2: Well, where I've been at for the past 10 minutes, I get a full signal of LTE. It randomly decided to drop to full HSPA+/3G.
I always also hoping that general compatibility with T-Mobile was better. The raw decibel signal readings do seem to be in my favor, but the LTE problems and prior signal drops are hopefully things that won't happen again.
Next, battery life. Yes, as mentioned, I know that it's supposed to get better. To be honest, my initial battery life numbers don't seem too bad. Here are some of my initial numbers (N5 came out of the box at around 80% battery, used it down to 5% before charging it all night):
At that screen on rate, I'd estimate about 5.75 hours of total screen on usage, and 9 hours of total standby. That's much better than some of my recent iPhone 5 numbers, and I hope that they can increase. Battery life is really the deciding factor if I keep the N5 and sell my iPhone 5 or not.
I've already gone through all of the battery saving tips (turning Wi-Fi auto search off, battery saving location mode, disabling OK Google, etc.). My usage isn't too heavy, but I do leave Wi-fi OFF (yes, off), get hundreds of texts, checking and replying to them, using Twitter (Tweetings), listening to music through headphones (PowerAmp), checking email automatically every 15 minutes via K9, dealing with those from time to time, and opening some pages with Chrome.
Next, the speaker. I was expecting it to be loud, louder than my iPhone 5, but it's noticeably quieter. I guess there's a hardware hack for it, but I'd rather avoid that, should I end up returning the thing. It sounds clear, and seems louder in certain apps than others (even if the volume is up all the way). Not sure if it needs to be broken in first.
I just noticed that music through headphones doesn't get very loud either, even with things turned up to their maximum values in PowerAmp.
I've yet to take a picture with the camera, and I heard it could be better (and probably will with a software update).
Speaking of software updates, I imagine Google could easily improve on almost all of these areas, including battery life?
One of my concerns was whether or not I can deal with the larger phone for one-handed operation. And really, I haven't had any complaints there.
Overall, I'm very satisfied with it. Just anxious to see what my battery life numbers will be as time goes on.
Battery life probably won't get drastically better. You just need to see what kills your battery the most. If there are things on in the background that your not using such as an app that would save battery life. But most likely is just the screen
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If you can live with Google Play Music for listening to your music, it should use less battery then poweramp by using the special kitkat dsp audio engine.
If you don't have stable LTE, it will really suck the life out of your battery. I just run HSPA+ most of the time and my battery life is ridiculous now.
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If you can live with Google Play Music for listening to your music, it should use less battery then poweramp by using the special kitkat dsp audio engine.
If you don't have stable LTE, it will really suck the life out of your battery. I just run HSPA+ most of the time and my battery life is ridiculous now.
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One big thing I really like is when songs crossfade between each other, which the Google Play Music app doesn't do. PowerAmp's equalizer and other audio adjustment settings are things I can't really go without anymore. Battery life when using it seems fine (for now).
LTE where I am is generally pretty stable. I'll do some tests with LTE off since that will probably help a bit (didn't matter on my iPhone 5, since the battery life would decrease at the same rate regardless of which type of data connection I'm on). Think a software or radio update would help?
You are complaining about nearly 6 hours of battery life?!!? If I get a Nexus 5 and get that much screen on just browsing, I'd freaking celebrate!
Let's not forget that you started at 80%!! EIGHTY PERCENT!!
darkgoon3r96 said:
You are complaining about nearly 6 hours of battery life?!!? If I get a Nexus 5 and get that much screen on just browsing, I'd freaking celebrate!
Let's not forget that you started at 80%!! EIGHTY PERCENT!!
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Well, my iPhone USED to get really good usage numbers under similar usage scenarios.
I've got to admit, I was expecting another "iPhone 5 is way better than Nexus 5" rant...
Kudos to you sir, I thought you made a pretty good review and fair comparison between the two.
I've been having similar issues on T-Mobile as of late, so I understand where you're coming from. The battery and network connectivity issues are most likely on their side.
As for software issues, the sound output being drastically different per app will likely be fixed in an OTA soon. The camera actually exceeded my expectations on a recent family outing to a Texans game last weekend, with HDR+ it takes amazing pictures! The autofocus could be faster, but I'm sure that'll be addressed in an OTA as well.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts bud, it's not often we get unbiased opinions here... It's refreshing to see a review by someone who isn't an iOS fanboy or Nexus apologist.
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Well, my iPhone USED to get really good usage numbers under similar usage scenarios.
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Its not similar conditions with a 4" screen.
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Battery life is incredibly subjective and can vary wildly from user to user. Location, carrier, usage patterns, etc. are different for everyone so it's hard to definitively predict battery life on the N5.
My experience? My first week I was incredibly worried because battery life was significantly worse than my GS3. Granted, I was playing with it a lot and testing out different things, but I was averaging about 3 hours of screen time and scraping about 12 hours of total life. Pretty terrible for what I was used to. I will say that when I was testing out the Moves app, to test the movement tracker, this absolutely slaughtered my battery.
I lived with mediocre battery life for a few days, then when Franco came out with his kernel (I believe I started at r10) I flashed it and then started getting insane battery results. Each kernel update has gotten better (now on r14) and I'm finally happy and able to easily make it through a full day.
For the past week, I usually take my phone off the charger at 7am and it goes back on at 11pm with around 25-35% remaining. During this time my screen on time is between 3-4 hours. So that's 16 hours with a quarter of the battery remaining and a decent amount of screen time on. I'm very happy.
I'm assuming a custom kernel requires a root, which then requires everything to be wiped? I wish I knew that prior to getting everything setup. Probably won't get into any of that for a while.
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Its not similar conditions with a 4" screen.
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It's also not similar conditions when the iPhone 5 has only a 1,440 mAh battery, that's something like ~63% smaller than the Nexus 5's battery (which many of us already find to be disappointingly small compared to other Android flagships).
I'm a hardcore Android user, always have been since I owned an OG Droid and Nexus One, but I concede that whatever Apple does with iOS and their SoCs to squeeze so much screen on time out of the tiny little batteries in the iPhones is pretty impressive.
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I'm assuming a custom kernel requires a root, which then requires everything to be wiped? I wish I knew that prior to getting everything setup. Probably won't get into any of that for a while.
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A custom kernel doesn't technically need root, but it does need the bootloader to be unlocked which is what wipes the device.
You can try to backup with an app called "helium" which apparently backs up a fair bit.
I also saw a thread to unlock bootloader without wipe. I didn't read it though. Possibly in themea and apps subforum. Try a search of xda at the root if the n5 forum
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Could you tell us more about your experience on Android vs iOS? I had an iPhone 4S prior to switching to Android, and aside from the consistency of the UI and fluidity, there isn't much else that I miss. Oh, maybe the excellent color accuracy of the iPhones (especially whites, which aren't too blue). The biggest thing that I was glad about dumping was iTunes, followed by iOS restrictions on what you can and can't do.
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I'm assuming a custom kernel requires a root, which then requires everything to be wiped? I wish I knew that prior to getting everything setup. Probably won't get into any of that for a while.
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Rooting doesn't require a wipe, but unlocking your bootloader does. Step 1 when aquiring phone, unlock bootloader, optionally root if you want, then set up. Bootloader unlock is most important for custom kernel.
Did you try viper4android for general sound enhancement. Don't have mine n5 yet - but on other phones it is amazing.
You can find viper in the play store.
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It's also not similar conditions when the iPhone 5 has only a 1,440 mAh battery, that's something like ~63% smaller than the Nexus 5's battery (which many of us already find to be disappointingly small compared to other Android flagships).
I'm a hardcore Android user, always have been since I owned an OG Droid and Nexus One, but I concede that whatever Apple does with iOS and their SoCs to squeeze so much screen on time out of the tiny little batteries in the iPhones is pretty impressive.
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True. Completely different hardware and os makes any comparison pointless.
I actually think the N5 battery is great. Its bigger than my S3 my 200 mAh but it lasts much longer proportionally.
The best way to make the decision between the 2 is to see which is a better fit for "your" usage and habits, which you enjoy the most and whether the battery is "enough".
For me, an iPhone battery would last days,.but it doesn't suit me.
Best thing is to consider battery last. Let passion make the decision
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I actually think the N5 battery is great. Its bigger than my S3 my 200 mAh but it lasts much longer proportionally.
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I'm actually relieved and excited to hear that. I had an S3 for many months and it was the first smartphone I've ever owned that I felt had really good battery life.
I'm on a Galaxy Nexus on Verizon right now, which is notorious for having insanely abysmal battery life, and it was like a slap in the face compared to my S3, which easily lasted all day.
So I figure just about anything will be better than what I'm on now.
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Could you tell us more about your experience on Android vs iOS? I had an iPhone 4S prior to switching to Android, and aside from the consistency of the UI and fluidity, there isn't much else that I miss. Oh, maybe the excellent color accuracy of the iPhones (especially whites, which aren't too blue). The biggest thing that I was glad about dumping was iTunes, followed by iOS restrictions on what you can and can't do.
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While even Android 4.4 on the Nexus 5 could be smoother in terms of frame rate. I thought I'd get annoyed by it, but it doesn't bother me much. I kinda miss iTunes, keeping syncing things organized within one central program, but I rarely used it.
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I'll have to disagree there. They're both phones that can do similar things, and both have similar hardware features (although they obviously differ). When usage scenarios and network conditions are as close as possible, only then can the battery life really be compared. So, I think that it's appropriate in my particular case.
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I'm actually relieved and excited to hear that. I had an S3 for many months and it was the first smartphone I've ever owned that I felt had really good battery life.
I'm on a Galaxy Nexus on Verizon right now, which is notorious for having insanely abysmal battery life, and it was like a slap in the face compared to my S3, which easily lasted all day.
So I figure just about anything will be better than what I'm on now.
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My comparison is like for like here. My network doesn't yet offer lte and my s3 was not the lte version. Bear in mind my s3 was quad core 1.4Ghz so im not sure how my S3 compared to yours.
But my N5 I am doing 16 hour days (8 hrs low signal area) with 4.5 hrs+ screen on. I could get that on my s3 if I didn't leave the house but a normal day would be 3 hrs on s3.
I am undervolted by 50 and using greenify though
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I'll have to disagree there. They're both phones that can do similar things, and both have similar hardware features (although they obviously differ). When usage scenarios and network conditions are as close as possible, only then can the battery life really be compared. So, I think that it's appropriate in my particular case.
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Fair enough I respect your disagreement. Although for me I disagree that they do similar things too. On the face of it they do, but for the hardcore of us I don't feel that's true. Not to spark an iPhone / android debate here (so this will be my last word on ios) but I see ios more as a "feature phone" than a "smart phone".
If the iPhone does all you need and you can get better battery, its a no brainer. Its just the os work completely different. The n5 is much more powerful and bigger screened and the architecture is incomparable.
On the face of it they do the same "calls, emails, web and some apps" but the comparison stops there I feel. It depends how involved you wish to become.
As I say, go with your heart on which you prefer. Take battery into consideration but don't let it rule the decision. Go for what suits you, not what anyone else says
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So I've convinced myself to wipe & root later, backing up with Helium and the normal Google backup (for system settings and such). That should get me mostly setup the way I had pre-wipe, right? I should have some time this weekend to just start from scratch again, but would definitely like to avoid most of it if possible, which it seems like it is.
I bought a Z1 at launch last September. A little later I sold it because I wasn't impressed with the camera, and the weak viewing angles didn't help much either.
However I have some "seller's remorse" as I somehow really liked the phone and its looks. Also the waterproof part was a major pro.
Since I sold my phone, the z1 has been updated to 4.3 and has perhaps also had other updates. My question now is, what has been improved since launch? Camera, battery life, general smoothness (project butter?) etc?
Any updates that makes the phone significant better now than it was at launch?
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I bought a Z1 at launch last September. A little later I sold it because I wasn't impressed with the camera, and the weak viewing angles didn't help much either.
However I have some "seller's remorse" as I somehow really liked the phone and its looks. Also the waterproof part was a major pro.
Since I sold my phone, the z1 has been updated to 4.3 and has perhaps also had other updates. My question now is, what has been improved since launch? Camera, battery life, general smoothness (project butter?) etc?
Any updates that makes the phone significant better now than it was at launch?
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You may have had a crappy screen, some have had a distinctly more limit viewing angle than intended. Go look for the thread on screens for more info there.
4.3 has been a bit of a pain for some - there's a known memory leak (that doesn't affect everyone) and some issues with the Bluetooth stack (again, not affecting everyone).
Personally, I have had no problems on 290 and am very happy with the battery life. The camera works great if you're not Superior Auto mode (and I've heard there should be improvements to SA in the future).
For me the only one thing was really improved, battery life. All other stuff was close to the same, no big improvements with the camera. Phone still working good. To me that's all.
Thanks for your replies. Too bad it still sounds like a lottery wether you get a "good phone" or not.
Yet, you seem to agree that battery life has improved, which is a very good thing. I was surprised at the short battery life they managed to get out of such a big battery. Especially compared to what the LG g2 and Galaxy Note 3 managed.
My use is mainly Facebook, web browsing, texting (SMS and Messenger), snapchat and taking pictures. And occasionally a game of Candy Crush or Angry Birds GO. You think it he battery will last me through the day?
Also, if anybody else has something to comment about improvements from 4.2.2 to 4.3, please let me know. I keep browsing through the different threads in the general section, but it's hard to find posts covering this subject.
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Thanks for your replies. Too bad it still sounds like a lottery wether you get a "good phone" or not.
Yet, you seem to agree that battery life has improved, which is a very good thing. I was surprised at the short battery life they managed to get out of such a big battery. Especially compared to what the LG g2 and Galaxy Note 3 managed.
My use is mainly Facebook, web browsing, texting (SMS and Messenger), snapchat and taking pictures. And occasionally a game of Candy Crush or Angry Birds GO. You think it he battery will last me through the day?
Also, if anybody else has something to comment about improvements from 4.2.2 to 4.3, please let me know. I keep browsing through the different threads in the general section, but it's hard to find posts covering this subject.
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going from 4.2.2 to 4.3 i noticed better battery life, way better camera(still not satisfied!).
battery life depends on usage and net signal strength. using stamina mode etc you can easy get over a day. on some days it even lasts 2 days for me.
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Thanks for your replies. Too bad it still sounds like a lottery wether you get a "good phone" or not.
Yet, you seem to agree that battery life has improved, which is a very good thing. I was surprised at the short battery life they managed to get out of such a big battery. Especially compared to what the LG g2 and Galaxy Note 3 managed.
My use is mainly Facebook, web browsing, texting (SMS and Messenger), snapchat and taking pictures. And occasionally a game of Candy Crush or Angry Birds GO. You think it he battery will last me through the day?
Also, if anybody else has something to comment about improvements from 4.2.2 to 4.3, please let me know. I keep browsing through the different threads in the general section, but it's hard to find posts covering this subject.
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i didn't notice any improvement to camera, and i actually think battery life was better on 4.2.2, but mybe i had a good setup then that i don't now...
Z1 battery life is superb, don't listen to them, i've looked around G2 forums, most averege users get 4.5 to 5 hours of screen time on a charge, the ones who debloat the phone heavely gets 6-7 hours. Z1 can easely get to 6 hours with stamina mode, so i don't see how G2 is any better.
and yeah, i usually get home after 14 hours worth of daytime with 60%+ battery, after being on tapatalk facebook whatsapp etc all day. so i think you should be fine
i can squeeze 2 hours of asphalt 8 easly aswell